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Both are armed with two daggers with 8 inch blades.

Come on! I thought this would be a good fight.

Mystique.

I'd say Blade 6/10 due to.... uhm, better stats?

Mystique has the advantage in agility by a lot and speed should be about even tho. Blade has the skill and strength idk I guess Blade 7/10. Time to pay the Mystique Respect thread a visit.

Exactly what kind of 8 inch blades are we talking about?

Mystique wins.

Blade.

Blade only has the strength advantage for .234 seconds before she supermorphs into a six armed, two headed monster that trashes his punk ass.

Originally posted by Konton
Blade only has the strength advantage for .234 seconds before she supermorphs into a six armed, two headed monster that trashes his punk ass. Yea, that's what I was thinking.

Bottom line, she's to versatile for Blade.

Originally posted by Konton
Bottom line, she's to versatile for Blade. Why? Because she can shap-shift? It's not like she gains the powers of the people she morphs.

Originally posted by Konton
Blade only has the strength advantage for .234 seconds before she supermorphs into a six armed, two headed monster that trashes his punk ass.
Precisely!
Originally posted by snoopdogg
Why? Because she can shap-shift? It's not like she gains the powers of the people she morphs.
No, but she can enhance all of her physical abilities via shapeshifting, give herself natural weapons, camouflage herself etc. It won't be an easy fight for her, but she would win nonetheless.

You do know Raven can't hold her 6-armed form for more than a 60 seconds or so?

Originally posted by wannabe
Precisely!

No, but she can enhance all of her physical abilities via shapeshifting, give herself natural weapons, camouflage herself etc. It won't be an easy fight for her, but she would win nonetheless. I thought MIstique could only morph into beings her size but if she goes bigger she retains her own body weight instead of a larger person weight though it takes concentration to morph into a larger person.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I thought MIstique could only morph into beings her size but if she goes bigger she retains her own body weight instead of a larger person weight though it takes concentration to morph into a larger person.
Since her upgrade that no longer seems to be true. Read her own comment:http://i39.photobucket.com/albums/e156/marvelkris/Scans/X-MenManifestDestiny04of5Large-07.jpg

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Originally posted by Survivor19
You do know Raven can't hold her 6-armed form for more than a 60 seconds or so?
It's a 4-armed form, and yes, i know, but she doesn't need to rely on this form to win this fight.

I still don't think she can change her body mass. Not that it matters anyways.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I still don't think she can change her body mass. Not that it matters anyways.
Didn't you read her own words?
And yes, it doesn't matter in this fight.

Originally posted by wannabe
Didn't you read her own words?
And yes, it doesn't matter in this fight. Are you saying Mystique can increase her body weight proportionately of her size?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Are you saying Mystique can increase her body weight proportionately of her size?
I don't say anything, Mystique says she's got no fixed body size or mass, and i tend to believe her regarding what her muscled-up form was able to do. It did put a strain on her to perform this feat, but she performed breathtakingly formidable nonetheless.

Originally posted by wannabe
I don't say anything, Mystique says she's got no fixed body size or mass, and i tend to believe her regarding what her muscled-up form was able to do. If somebody says something and you say you believe them then essentially aren't you saying the same thing?

I'm not decided who wins yet but show me how Mystique will win.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
If somebody says something and you say you believe them then essentially aren't you saying the same thing?

I'm not decided who wins yet but show me how Mystique will win.
Semantics!

Have a look:
http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/7079/mystique005p168dt.th.jpghttp://img83.imageshack.us/img83/6823/mystique005p173lb.th.jpghttp://img223.imageshack.us/img223/761/mystique005p184ms.th.jpg

http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/9868/mystique002p058pn.th.jpghttp://img224.imageshack.us/img224/7690/mystique002p062fp.th.jpghttp://img86.imageshack.us/img86/7927/mystique002p075sd.th.jpg

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/4618/mystique002p081ua.th.jpghttp://img139.imageshack.us/img139/374/mystique002p093rx.th.jpghttp://img207.imageshack.us/img207/6449/mystique002p108te.th.jpg

Originally posted by wannabe
Semantics!

Have a look:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6894993
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6895018
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6895046 That somehow proves she beats the ultimate Vampire hunter who is as feared by the entire vampire nation almost as much as Dracula is?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
That somehow proves she beats the ultimate Vampire hunter who is as feared by the entire vampire nation almost as much as Dracula is?
No, ofcourse not!
There are many more feats, that make me believe she will win this, but this isn't a respect thread for mystique and i also didn't say that it would be an easy win for her.

A fight vs. two superstrong mutants with enhanced physical attributes
http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/2541/mystique16134qr.th.jpghttp://img89.imageshack.us/img89/205/mystique16149py.th.jpghttp://img101.imageshack.us/img101/9292/mystique16154bp.th.jpghttp://img220.imageshack.us/img220/33/mystique16168ec.th.jpghttp://img109.imageshack.us/img109/4249/mystique16177ym.th.jpghttp://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8161/mystique15046vr.th.jpghttp://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7602/mystique15055cw.th.jpghttp://img71.imageshack.us/img71/7549/mystique15060mt.th.jpg

Any speed or healing feats?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Any speed or healing feats?

Some more durability, strength, agility, speed and fighting:
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7720/blz053kc.th.jpghttp://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1331/blz077sc.th.jpghttp://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9527/blz089fz.th.jpghttp://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4058/blz095bs.th.jpghttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4730/blz114dz.th.jpg

Originally posted by wannabe
Some more durability, strength, agility, speed and fighting:
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/7720/blz053kc.th.jpghttp://img87.imageshack.us/img87/1331/blz077sc.th.jpghttp://img132.imageshack.us/img132/9527/blz089fz.th.jpghttp://img220.imageshack.us/img220/4058/blz095bs.th.jpghttp://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4730/blz114dz.th.jpg Blade does that stuff on a nightly basis with foes a notch up higher on the food chain if you know what I mean.

If you take a closer look at the scan with Mystique dodging the missile, take note that it appears to be a tomahawk. Which typically move at around mach 3.

Her healing factor isn't as fast as Wolverine's or anything, but most wounds heal within a few minutes. Just browse through her respect thread for a feat or two.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Any speed or healing feats?
Some almost instant healing from being infested with almost every viral disease known to man:
http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6896731 http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6896736 http://www.killermovies.com/forums/attachment.php?s=&postid=6896751

I don't have the scans here, but do you remember the "Catch Mystique" story, when Logan was ordered by Scott to kill Raven for again betraying the X-Men?
During the showdown she received many awful slashes and stabs, including one directly through the lungs into the heart...and she won the immediate fight nonetheless. Of course Logan healed faster than she did, so that ultimately he was standing above her, leaving her in the middle of a desert to die from her supposed "fatal" wounds ... witch she didn't, turning on Iceman a few days later without any impairments etc. When Bobby threatened to finish her once and for all, she even mocked him by stating that Logan said and tried that unsuccessfully.


Originally posted by snoopdogg
Blade does that stuff on a nightly basis with foes a notch up higher on the food chain if you know what I mean.
Yeah, so what, i didn't say he's a slouch. I simply think Mystique is just as good a fighter as he is, but has more power extras than he, so i'd give her the win after a hard battle.

Power extras? I'm not sure her ability to morph into somebody else is a huge edge in abilities.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Power extras? I'm not sure her ability to morph into somebody else is a huge edge in abilities.
Well, being able to give herself armor, claws, camouflage, all around sight, the ability to cling to surfaces, extra prehensile appendages, plasticity and wing-flight, could count as an edge, doesn't it?

Originally posted by wannabe
Well, being able to give herself armor, claws, camouflage, all around sight, the ability to cling to surfaces, extra prehensile appendages, plasticity and wing-flight, could count as an edge, doesn't it? Not for somebody who been hunting vampires, warlocks, and demons on a nightly basis for over 100 years I don't think so.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Not for somebody who been hunting vampires, warlocks, and demons on a nightly basis for over 100 years I don't think so.
Well, she's doing her stuff for over 100 years on a daily basis too, being recognized by S.H.I.E.L.D. as one of the most dangerous people in the world.

Originally posted by wannabe
Well, she's doing her stuff for over 100 years on a daily basis too, being recognized by S.H.I.E.L.D. as one of the most dangerous people in the world. How old is Mystique?

And Blade gotten his recognition from Shield also as they pegged him as having the best shot to bring Wolverine into custody with his skills and resilience.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
How old is Mystique?

And Blade gotten his recognition from Shield also as they pegged him as having the best shot to bring Wolverine into custody with his skills and resilience.
Mystique was born somewhen during the nineteenth century, making herself well over a hundred years old.

Mystique actually got Logan down with her cunning and fighting skills, so ...

Mystique beat Wolverine?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Mystique beat Wolverine?
Yes! She fought him successfully, rendering him brain dead for several minutes eventually. Though Raven was severely wounded too, she was still up. If she hadn't been alone but working for Shield, Logan would be in custody. Needless to say, that eventually both survived their "fatal" wounding due to their healing factor.

Originally posted by wannabe
Yes! She fought him successfully, rendering him brain dead for several minutes eventually. Though Raven was severely wounded too, she was still up. If she hadn't been alone but working for Shield, Logan would be in custody. Needless to say, that eventually both survived their "fatal" wounding due to their healing factor. I remember the issue but don't recall her winning but it's been awhile.

Lol, even my Blade "hate'n" ass says Mystique loses.

I was just gonna PM you but what issue did she beat Logan in? 63 or so?

65.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
65. Thanks.

BTW is there a scan where she states how old she is or when she was born? I knew she was old but didn't realize she was over 100.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Thanks.

BTW is there a scan where she states how old she is or when she was born? I knew she was old but didn't realize she was over 100.
Well there are pictures with her being an adult at the dawn of the twenteeth century, some with her having a shared history with Logan at that time or a comment of iceman talking to her and mentioning that she is over a hundred years old, but i can only offer scans in German i'm affraid.

Originally posted by wannabe
Well there are pictures with her being an adult at the dawn of the twenteeth century, some with her having a shared history with Logan at that time or a comment of iceman talking to her and mentioning that she is over a hundred years old, but i can only offer scans in German i'm affraid. That's good enough. Blade mentioned he was over 100 and in his last series had alot of flashbacks to like the 1920's or so judging by the cars and when he was born people were still riding horses alot. Sh!t Blade actually rescued Spider-Man's aunt May and uncle Ben from a vampire when they were on their honeymoon.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
I was just gonna PM you but what issue did she beat Logan in? 63 or so? I t was 65.. but it's not what wannabe's making it out to be. He's ignoring loads of context that went into the story before the fight went down. She performed admirably but saying she just flat out beat Logan is disengenuous.

Originally posted by jinzin
I t was 65.. but it's not what wannabe's making it out to be. He's ignoring loads of context that went into the story before the fight went down. She performed admirably but saying she just flat out beat Logan is disengenuous.
I said she also used cunning, i also mentioned that ultimately it was Logan who left HER to die, because his HF was faster. I simply pointed out the fact, that she managed to fight Logan to brain-death while still being conscious, so ...

Originally posted by wannabe
I said she also used cunning, i also mentioned that ultimately it was Logan who left HER to die, because his HF was faster, so ... Did Logan stab her in the heart or was that just a stomache shot?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Did Logan stab her in the heart or was that just a stomache shot?
Well, he stabbed her upward through the ribcage ... that's not where the stomach sits.

Originally posted by wannabe
I said she also used cunning, i also mentioned that ultimately it was Logan who left HER to die, because his HF was faster. I simply pointed out the fact, that she managed to fight Logan to brain-death while still being conscious, so ... There was still more context to it than that.. Sorry if I assumed your position. One of your previous posts said she won the last confrontation when it was pretty clearly a draw.

Originally posted by jinzin
There was still more context to it than that.. Sorry if I assumed your position. One of your previous posts said she won the last confrontation when it was pretty clearly a draw. Like what exactly? Was he weakened or something?

No food, no sleep, he was riddled with bullets, he blew himself up...

That was a good story...
Nevertheless, i say Raven gets a few wins. Like, 3-4/10. She is that damn good.

Originally posted by jinzin
I t was 65.. but it's not what wannabe's making it out to be. He's ignoring loads of context that went into the story before the fight went down. She performed admirably but saying she just flat out beat Logan is disengenuous.

Was Wolverine not 100%? Sorry couldnt help that.

Originally posted by Survivor19
That was a good story...
Nevertheless, i say Raven gets a few wins. Like, 3-4/10. She is that damn good.
Don't sell yourself short. She takes the majority.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
No food, no sleep, he was riddled with bullets, he blew himself up... but wouldn't a shot to the brain have put him out regardless?, I've only seen that one scan of him being shot by mystique though so Idont know how the rest of the fight was.

Originally posted by Trackz
but wouldn't a shot to the brain have put him out regardless?, I've only seen that one scan of him being shot by mystique though so Idont know how the rest of the fight was.

Yeah, it would. The point is that if Logan had been fully rested and fed, if his HF hadn't been taxed, he wouldn't have given her the chance.

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/1436/wolverine65dcp009.th.jpg http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/6054/wolverine65dcp010.th.jpg http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/4389/wolverine65dcp012.th.jpg http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7501/wolverine65dcp014.th.jpg http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/7922/wolverine65dcp015.th.jpg http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5973/wolverine65dcp016.th.jpg http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/3737/wolverine65dcp017.th.jpg http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/8392/wolverine65dcp018.th.jpg http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/5307/wolverine65dcp019.th.jpg

^ That arc was very cool.

Originally posted by Enyalus
^ That arc was very cool.

Yep, Aaron did an excellent job.

Originally posted by Enyalus
^ That arc was very cool.

I thought it was one of the worse Wolverine fights...

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
I thought it was one of the worse Wolverine fights...
Probably why I liked it.

It was a good storyline.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Probably why I liked it.

It was a good storyline.

Naw....

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Naw....
Stick to your Thor, viking boy. uhuh

It was a great storylin imo, but anywho without prep i dont see her beating Blade

"Get Mystique" was a brilliant storyline for both, Raven and Logan.
Though i have to admit that i didn't understand why Wolverine thought leaving Raven in the desert with all those wounds would finish her ... he must have known about her own healing factor and that his doings wouldn't kill her?!

Originally posted by wannabe
"Get Mystique" was a brilliant storyline for both, Raven and Logan.
Though i have to admit that i didn't understand why Wolverine thought leaving Raven in the desert with all those wounds would finish her ... he must have known about her own healing factor and that his doings wouldn't kill her?!


It makes as much sense as Mystique "verbally owning" Wolverine at the end there.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
It makes as much sense as Mystique "verbally owning" Wolverine at the end there.
Well, i could rationalize that with Mystique trying to look desperate enough to convince Logan that leaving her there would indeed finish the job, while she very well knew she'd survive.

Bumpy.

Blade.......only if he's fighting Classic Mystique.

This is current Mystique I'm assuming.

Originally posted by juggernaut74
This is current Mystique I'm assuming.

Current Mystique definitely has an edge on Blade (Classic Mystique wasn't much of of a fighter anyways).

Originally posted by Magneto1982
Current Mystique definitely has an edge on Blade (Classic Mystique wasn't much of of a fighter anyways). What kind of edges over Blade?