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Who wins?

No BFR.

Team 2

2, SS tips the scale.

Maj is not on his level.

Team One almost every time.

Supreme's highly resistant to energy attacks and would tear CA limb from limb. Neither of these guys have any weaknesses to expose, and Majestic is stronger and faster H2H than Surfer.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Team One almost every time.

Supreme's highly resistant to energy attacks and would tear CA limb from limb. Neither of these guys have any weaknesses to expose, and Majestic is stronger and faster H2H than Surfer.
Isn't Mag's vulnerable to temporal energy? Seems like I remember Roldz saying that one time but it's possible I'm mistaken...

Originally posted by darthgoober
Isn't Mag's vulnerable to temporal energy? Seems like I remember Roldz saying that one time but it's possible I'm mistaken...
I don't know who 'Roldz' is?

Majestic was dying due to repeated exposure to temporal and dimensional travel while unprotected. His molecules were breaking down and he had about a month to live. IMO it was just a plot device. Like All-Star Superman's cells breaking down from too much sun radiation.

But again, it was repeated exposure from that and dimensional travel to and from the mainstream DC universe and elsewhere and jumping backwards in time to prevent the death of the WS universe.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't know who 'Roldz' is?

Majestic was dying due to repeated exposure to temporal and dimensional travel while unprotected. His molecules were breaking down and he had about a month to live. IMO it was just a plot device. Like All-Star Superman's cells breaking down from too much sun radiation.

But again, it was repeated exposure from that and dimensional travel to and from the mainstream DC universe and elsewhere and jumping backwards in time to prevent the death of the WS universe.
So if Surfer started used high levels amounts of temporal energy(perhaps in conjuction with matter manipulation) there's a good chance that it'll wreck havoc on Maj's system shouldn't it? Or did he eventually get over the vulnerability?

Originally posted by darthgoober
So if Surfer started used high levels amounts of temporal energy(perhaps in conjuction with matter manipulation) there's a good chance that it'll wreck havoc on Maj's system shouldn't it? Or did he eventually get over the vulnerability?
I don't know. I mean, if you're talking about a blast of chronal energy against Majestic, then I don't think it would work. Surfer would need to be able to affect Majestic's molecules with it. And Majestic's invulnerability aura should stop that...

The vulnerability was only brought up once, at the end of Majestic's second solo series. As a way to end it. So, I dunno. Like I said, it seemed like a plot excuse to me, like All-Star Superman.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I don't know. I mean, if you're talking about a blast of chronal energy against Majestic, then I don't think it would work. Surfer would need to be able to affect Majestic's molecules with it. And Majestic's invulnerability aura should stop that...

The vulnerability was only brought up once, at the end of Majestic's second solo series. As a way to end it. So, I dunno. Like I said, it seemed like a plot excuse to me, like All-Star Superman.
How would his invulnerability stop something that he's vulnerable to? Isn't that like saying that Supes's bio aura would protect him against K-nite?

Originally posted by darthgoober
How would his invulnerability stop something that he's vulnerable to? Isn't that like saying that Supes's bio aura would protect him against K-nite?
It's not one of his vulnerabilities, but a vulnerability of everyone in general in the WS universe. You time travel and dimensional travel repeatedly without protection (like a Hazmat crew not wearing their suits), and you're gonna get exposed to something and die. But like I said, his cells were breaking down for at least a month and he never died in the comic.

The only thing that can bypass Majestic's aura are blades forged from the Creation Engine, and blunt physical force.

Also...does K-nite affect Supes at a molecular level? I don't know how that works lol. Doesn't it just drain the energy out of his cells?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Majestic is stronger and faster H2H than Surfer.

Surfer is more durable +forcefields,has at least comparable combat speed, is more versatile AND has a higher poweroutput. Id say his advantages outweigh majestics.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer is more durable +forcefields,has at least comparable combat speed, is more versatile AND has a higher poweroutput. Id say his advantages outweigh majestics.
His combat speed is less than Majestic's, by however much. Majestic is stronger. And Majestic also has matter and energy manipulation, so I don't see why Surfer is more versatile.

Surfer can't beat Majestic before Supreme ends CA.

Originally posted by Enyalus


The only thing that can bypass Majestic's aura are blades forged from the Creation Engine, and blunt physical force.


So does this mean that he is COMPLETELY invulnerable to energy attacks? Also was this stated or is this conjecture on ur part? Further do have any instances of him resisting matter manipulation?

Originally posted by Enyalus
It's not one of his vulnerabilities, but a vulnerability of everyone in general in the WS universe. You time travel and dimensional travel repeatedly without protection (like a Hazmat crew not wearing their suits), and you're gonna get exposed to something and die. But like I said, his cells were breaking down for at least a month and he never died in the comic.
But that's no different than any type of energy. People are completely unaffected by low levels of controlled radiation and dangerous levels of exposure can take long periods to actually kill someone(depending on just how intense the levels are) but that doesn't mean that a person can survive if they're suddenly being blasted by concentrated doses of the stuff.

Originally posted by Enyalus
The only thing that can bypass Majestic's aura are blades forged from the Creation Engine, and blunt physical force.
Didn't the temporal energy have to bypass his invulnerability to affect him at all? Even if it's a vulnerability shared by everyone in his universe, it's obvious that temporal energy can and will get through his aura and have an effect on him.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Also...does K-nite affect Supes at a molecular level? I don't know how that works lol. Doesn't it just drain the energy out of his cells?
That's red solar energy. K-nite works a little differently if I'm not mistaken.

Originally posted by Enyalus
His combat speed is less than Majestic's, by however much. Majestic is stronger. And Majestic also has matter and energy manipulation, so I don't see why Surfer is more versatile.

Surfer can't beat Majestic before Supreme ends CA.

THe combat speed thing can be argued. Also the term "matter and energy manipulation" is a bit to general. Surfer has done( and contnuosly does) things that most matter and enegry manipulators cant. His mattter/energy manip encompasses a far wider range than most.

And he can via chronal energy attacks

Majestic only has a few matter and energy manipulation feats.

No where the amount or level that SS does it on.

Originally posted by Naija boy
So does this mean that he is COMPLETELY invulnerable to energy attacks? Also was this stated or is this conjecture on ur part? Further do have any instances of him resisting matter manipulation?
He's taken more than planet-destroying blasts to the face without a scratch on him. It's been stated by Majestic, Nemesis, and Zealot.

I thought I had an instance of him resisting magical matter transmutation, but its iffy at best...
Originally posted by Naija boy
And he can via chronal energy attacks
You going to argue that Surfer uses his cosmic awareness and starts off blasting Majestic with chronal energy? Even Majestic didn't know it was a vulnerability of his.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Maj_dying1.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Maj_dying2.jpg

Are we all forgetting mother ****ing supreme is in this match?He could go toe to toe with surfer imo and majestic could take out atom.

Although, CA did do well against Maj before.

Still stands that Maj or Sup is not on SS level but CA is weak link.

SS gets double teamed ftw.

Originally posted by vlaaad12345
Are we all forgetting mother ****ing supreme is in this match?He could go toe to toe with surfer imo and majestic could take out atom.
Another Supreme fan?

Coolness.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Another Supreme fan?

Coolness.
Sadly he doesn't get much respect from what I have seen.

Because hes Image.

Originally posted by Enyalus
He's taken more than planet-destroying blasts to the face without a scratch on him. It's been stated by Majestic, Nemesis, and Zealot.

I thought I had an instance of him resisting magical matter transmutation, but its iffy at best...

You going to argue that Surfer uses his cosmic awareness and starts off blasting Majestic with chronal energy? Even Majestic didn't know it was a vulnerability of his.

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Maj_dying1.jpg http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x287/Deywos/th_Maj_dying2.jpg

Taking more than planet destorying blasts without a scratch on hiim hardly means he is completely invulnerable to energy attacks. Most high heralds could do that easy. Didnt he have to change his molecular structure to survive for a prolonged period inside the sun? Also do u have the scans where it was stated by those u mentioned that MAjestic "is completely invulnerable to energy attacks (ala juggernaut) but vulnerable to blunt force and blades forged from the creation engine"? This talk of "complete invulnerability" reeks of the no limit fallacy and seems very iffy to me.(Especially since if no energy could pass thru his field/aura then his "weakness" shouldnt really exist)

Also surfer may not start of with that sort of attack, but as soon as surfers cosmic senses give him info on majs bio signature, he will know his body's weakness to chronal energy. From then on there isnt really much hope. for majestic.

Supreme>Majestic; I truly dont know what the debate is about since supreme would be the main factor in this fight.

Majestic solos

Originally posted by batosaimsx7
Majestic solos

Originally posted by Naija boy
Taking more than planet destorying blasts without a scratch on hiim hardly means he is completely invulnerable to energy attacks. Most high heralds could do that easy.
That incident was probably when his metabolism began to break down. The blast destroyed the Earth and the moon and jumped him backwards in time by a year. After he had already been traveling back and forth between dimensions and resealing a rip in space/time, etc...

Originally posted by Naija boy
Didnt he have to change his molecular structure to survive for a prolonged period inside the sun?
He didn't have to. It was a precaution. He had to work inside the sun for a while. *shrug*

Originally posted by Naija boy
Also do u have the scans where it was stated by those u mentioned that MAjestic "is completely invulnerable to energy attacks (ala juggernaut) but vulnerable to blunt force and blades forged from the creation engine"? This talk of "complete invulnerability" reeks of the no limit fallacy and seems very iffy to me.(Especially since if no energy could pass thru his field/aura then his "weakness" shouldnt really exist)
I have scans of Majestic, Zealot, and Nemesis saying things like 'your blade is the only thing that can hurt him' and 'you know nothing can hurt me' and other such statements. But complete invulnerability is something I wouldn't take from those statements, because I've seen him bleed before from physical blows. From a universal-level entity, but still. For example, he's taken Maul's punch to the face without flinching.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Also surfer may not start of with that sort of attack, but as soon as surfers cosmic senses give him info on majs bio signature, he will know his body's weakness to chronal energy.
Okay. Then it takes a month for him to die. In the meantime, Supreme will have finished off CA and boned Surfer.

...Or we could do the Maj/CA Supreme/Surfer matchup instead, seeing as how Maj and CA have some history with each other.

Originally posted by carver9
Supreme>Majestic; I truly dont know what the debate is about since supreme would be the main factor in this fight.

I'd have to agree, how come no1 is arguing for Supreme?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
I'd have to agree, how come no1 is arguing for Supreme?
What feats suggest Supreme being superior to Majestic?

The only thing I can think of wasn't a feat: Supreme was stated to be four times more powerful than any other meta on the planet. And at that time, Majestic was on the planet. However, that was Image and in '92. Majestic seemed to get more powerful when moving to Wildstorm.

Originally posted by Enyalus

That incident was probably when his metabolism began to break down. The blast destroyed the Earth and the moon and jumped him backwards in time by a year. After he had already been traveling back and forth between dimensions and resealing a rip in space/time, etc...



Impressive no doubt. But certainly nothing that puts him above surfer in durability or most high heralds for that matter.



That shoots down the notion of his complete invulnerability to energy attacks or any attacks for that matter.

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Really those instances are no different from surfer and others saying he cant be cut or that his silvery glaze is indestructible etc. It hardly indicates complete invulnerability. Taking mauls punch to the face without flinching is also impressice but doesnt indicate complete invulnerability.



The amount he was exposed to when it took him a month to die is nothing compared to what he will be facing from surfer. Im sure i dont have to tell u about surfers power output. Maj will be going down quickly. Also supreme cant take surfer either.