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Similar to the old thread, but this one I feel isn't spite.

The scenario is that one Victory-Class Star Destroyer, helmed by Darth Vader, has discovered Eath. After some deliberation Vader is granted permission to seize the planet in the name of the Galactic Empire. Vader contacts Earth's leaders and our leaders respond to his demands for surrender by droping their drawls and mooning his vid screen. Thus, it's on.

Perimeters

The Empire's total amount of forces is 1 X Victory Class Star Destroyer, which includes all of the forces that a Victory class can hold. That is:

2,040 Troops

2 full squads of TIE fighters. Both squads are comprised of Tie Interceptors.

Lambda-class shuttles (4)
Landing barges (6)
AT-AT walkers (10)
AT-ST walkers (15)

the Star Destroyer is suspended in low orbit for the duration of this match (or rather, low enough that it can be attacked by our fighters; i think that if it's in space it's overkill).

I feel that the the SD's ability to surgically neuter our global military via orbital striking our key locations is an unfair advantage, so i'm going to limit the amount of times the SD can use an orbit-to-ground strike to once every two days. However all of the other weapons it has can be used at the Empire's discretion. That means missile tubes, whatever point defense systems it may have, etc.

With the use of transports the Imperials can land wherever they deem fit; that will be up to you guys to debate.

Humanity can use... pretty much anything it has to survive lol. For the sake of this fight, all of the world's governments are united to face the new threat. No chances of Korea joining up with the Imperials lol.

So... have at it fellas.

We need to nuke it. I don't think our fighters will do much damage.

The ISD jumps to hyperspace while in orbit. Everyone ****ing dies.

if the previous thread didnt gave them any chance,this one gives just one chance.

our only,single option is nuke'em.we wont lose anything since their in space (the star destroyer) so we can throw everything at them.we have enough nuclear power on this planet to blow it to dust 3 or 4 times(blow Earth to dust 3 or 4 times,not the star destroyer).if that would be enough to destroy their big ship,then we won,if not,then we lost.ur thread resumes to the star destroyer,just like the previous one resumed to Vader.if we nail the ship,then its over.the big problem is,how will we get the nukes past their shots...its most likely they'll spot the nukes and desintegrate them before they reach the ship,unless they'll underestimate us and ignore them...it hangs by chance so it cannot actually be debated.

jumping to hyperspace in us isnt an option.they want to conquer us.and why didnt they ever do this in star wars,was sacrificing a ship to expensive for winnig the war ?count dooku could have just banged into coruscant and destroy the council at the cost of a ship and some troops.they must have a reason...or it was just to much of a power for george lucas to introduce ...

Originally posted by radu1234
if the previous thread didnt gave them any chance,this one gives just one chance.

our only,single option is nuke'em.we wont lose anything since their in space (the star destroyer) so we can throw everything at them.we have enough nuclear power on this planet to blow it to dust 3 or 4 times(blow Earth to dust 3 or 4 times,not the star destroyer).if that would be enough to destroy their big ship,then we won,if not,then we lost.ur thread resumes to the star destroyer,just like the previous one resumed to Vader.if we nail the ship,then its over.the big problem is,how will we get the nukes past their shots...its most likely they'll spot the nukes and desintegrate them before they reach the ship,unless they'll underestimate us and ignore them...it hangs by chance so it cannot actually be debated. None of this can really be debated. The ship's within our atmosphere, it can be hit by fighter jets, but the use of nukes wouldn't be an option til the end.

Originally posted by radu1234
jumping to hyperspace in us isnt an option.they want to conquer us.and why didnt they ever do this in star wars,was sacrificing a ship to expensive for winnig the war ?count dooku could have just banged into coruscant and destroy the council at the cost of a ship and some troops.they must have a reason...or it was just to much of a power for george lucas to introduce ... He wasn't being serious.

i dont think any of our jets would actually hurt that ship...well at least more than scratch it. i think nukes will be their second choice after they notice they cant hurt it very much with simple arsenal.

hmm ,didnt realize he was jocking...though it was obvious >.> .my bad

do you think that the various missiles that we have wouldnt be able to hurt it even with sustained bombardment? the asteroids in that asteroid field were able to eventually damage the more powerful imperial-class star destroyers after the star destroyers had been bombarded by them for a few hours. i think that its possible that enough sustained attacks directed toward the SD's shield generators could potentially put it out of commission, at least temporarily, giving our fighters enough time to potentially hit a weak point on the ship such as the bridge. when the executors's shields were down an a-wing crashing into the bridge created a strong enough impact to destroy the entire ship.

the problem i see is that our fighters will have trouble getting past the SD's point-defense systems (it has over 300 guns designed to fight off fighters), as well as the two squads of tie interceptors which could be problematic. in addition our militaries still have to worry about over a thousand storm troopers with 25 units of armor. considering the empire has landing shuttles that means they could drop their ground forces directly on, say, the pentagon or white house and take it over, which could cripple the entire US's missile system.

Even 10,000 nuclear warheads wouldn't damage the ship. Ever hear of shields? As pathetic a SD shields are, they would be able to withstand a 100 kiloton thermal nuclear weapon.

... based on what?

even ignoring the massive amounts of energy created by a single nuke, much less 10,000, the kinetic energy delivered by such a force would kill everyone on board (the evidence being that the way the shielding in Starwars works is that while it protects against energy damage and heat it doesn't protect against kinetic damage to the occupants themselves(which can see by the way the people inside the ships are rocked about by attacks even when the shields are holding up fine)) and give off a MASSIVE EMP that would result in the ship crashing into the earth's surface.

someone PLEASE give me some feats of what an SD's shields can take, as that sounds like a load of bull.

Tie Interceptors, the only available escort craft, have a max atmospheric speed of under 800 m/h and they have no shields. Our defenses would obliterate them before they could get close, and even then AT-STs and stormtroopers could be rather easily destroyed by artillery, bombing runs, and even heavy infantry.

Aside from the Star Destroyer itself, the AT-ATs are the only remotely threatening force the Imperials have to muster. Even then, they're capped at a pathetic 37 m/h and have notable weak points at the belly and neck.

The entire Imperial landing force could go down in hours at most depending on where they land. Orbital strikes are a big deal, though.

An EMP wave is not an ion based based weapon nor kenetetic. A nuke explodes roughly 500-1000 feet above ground to cause as much damage as possible.

i didnt say it was, but its a side-effect of nuclear explosions. a nuke when it goes off creates a large amount of unstable energy, extreme heat, strong kinetic energy, and an emp, all at the same time.

nukes explode that high up to create a larger blast radius and to increase the range of fallout. they dont have to do that though. if only one single target is being attacked, a target that is less then a mile long, then they can detonated at a much closer range for more intensity at the sacrifice of range.

and before you say it, please provide any proof that you may have that the shields can protect the ship from a high dose of EMP.

Sounds as if your talking about MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction) where multiple warheads are assigned on the same specific target. You do have a point if there is a central target zone, but the EMP wave would have to disperse along the length of the entire ship. For that to occur, each warhead would have to have a different target.

Victory class SDs are capital warships right? A warship that large has shields and armor to withstand point blank turbolaser, I say again turbolaser fire. A turbolaser has a much more devastating yield than a nuke. The armor has the capacity to withstand a proton torpedo and proton based weapon is a lot more devastating.

the EMP from a nuclear warhead stretches across at least a mile. a victory class star destroyer is only 900 feet long, so "10,000" nuclear weapons would soak the entire ship in EMP waves.

there is no canon statement for how strong their armor and shielding is. what we DO have canonically is showings from the movies which are primary canon above all else. in the movies we see that even with shields on maximum the larger and more powerful imperial class ship can be completely destroyed by a few hours of being hit by rocks that are only at absolute maximum a hundred feet in diameter. one high-yield nuclear warhead is stronger then that.

weve also seen that the executor class star destroyer, the strongest and most heaviliy armed and armored of all the star destroyers in the fleet, was completely crippled by a ship 28 feet long crashing into it's bridge after it's shields were destroyed. So really an SD's armor isnt much stronger then the stuff we have today.

That force is SMALLER than the one that I had (only 2040 troops?), so Earth wins, easily killing the troops and then nuking the destroyer.

you also had zero air support and landed in the in one of the worst possible places you could land a force.

and they wouldn't be able to nuke it. that would destroy earth or at the least uninhabitable.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
you also had zero air support and landed in the in one of the worst possible places you could land a force.

and they wouldn't be able to nuke it. that would destroy earth or at the least uninhabitable.

First of all, I'll say this for the last time: I GAVE THEM TIE FIGHTERS AND GAVE INTO LUCIEN'S COMPLAINTS!!!! WHY DO YOU GUYS IGNORE MY POSTS THAT ATTEMPT TO BALANCE THIS THREAD???

I suggested Mexico, Lucien refused, saying that it's too FAR from America (how do you get any closer than Mexico, unless if you want to have them land in America itself?). I suggested South America, Lucien refused. I asked him what he wanted, he refused to answer.

Wrong.

Let it go. Or, at least contain your caps lock (and misplaced umbrage) to the thread you started. Plz.


Do not feed the troll.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
... based on what?

even ignoring the massive amounts of energy created by a single nuke, much less 10,000, the kinetic energy delivered by such a force would kill everyone on board (the evidence being that the way the shielding in Starwars works is that while it protects against energy damage and heat it doesn't protect against kinetic damage to the occupants themselves(which can see by the way the people inside the ships are rocked about by attacks even when the shields are holding up fine)) and give off a MASSIVE EMP that would result in the ship crashing into the earth's surface.

someone PLEASE give me some feats of what an SD's shields can take, as that sounds like a load of bull.

Stats(Link)

Just to recap:

Star Wars: Acclamator troop transport

Shield heat dissipation: 70 trillion GW peak

"As you can see, the officially published figures are massively in favour of the Empire, even if you disregard the fact that an Acclamator is not a particularly powerful warship by Imperial standards (an Imperial Star Destroyer is roughly 10 times larger (by volume) than an Acclamator and presumably 10 times more powerful, even if we disregard the fact that an Acclamator is just a transport)."

Now, to clarify - a ship a tenth the size of an ISD can soak 70 trillion GW. That's insane. Here's more:

Imp Shields(Link)

The TESB novelization described a "steady rain" of asteroids, and Anakin Skywalker: The Story of Darth Vader said that "turbolaser gunners blasted the largest rocks; those they missed impacted against the bow shields like multi-megaton compression bombs." We can see from the film that the ships were taking impacts at the rate of at least 1 asteroid per second if not more, and we know from the above quote that the asteroids were striking with several megatons of energy each.

Furthermore, the bombardment must have continued for at least 1 or 2 days because Vader had time to contact bounty hunters, who travelled from their various homebases to the Outer Rim while the fleet stayed in the field. Therefore, each ISD might have absorbed as much as 3E20 joules of kinetic energy while in the asteroid field.

Additionally:

Star Destroyers were able to survive half an hour of ship to ship battle with Mon Calamari battlecruisers in the Battle of Endor before they started to lose shielding. If we assume roughly one Star Destroyer per Mon Calamari cruiser and ignore fighters (in spite of the fact that they were carrying thermonuclear weapons), we can estimate that a Star Destroyer can survive many thousands of shots before shield failure.

And about your kamikaze attack:

The A-wing fighter that damaged the Executor's bridge tower didn't make its suicide attack until after the Executor's bridge deflector shields were dropped. If deflector shields were impotent against physical collisions, there would have been no reason to wait until the Executor's shields were dropped.

That seems to be quite conclusive. Nukes will do shit against the ISD, and it'll rain hell on any fortified installations. Considering that an ISD alone can glass a planet, including deep bunkers like the kind most world governments would be fleeing to, I don't see this coming out in favor of Earth.

im sorry, but i dont buy any of that, never have. wong is not affiliated with star wars at all or anyone that affiliates with it; hes just some scientist. so regardless of his statistics and how sound they may or may not be, i dont take any stock in it. i go only by what the movies and the EU shows us. however, that piece you pasted here stats that official stats have been released? any idea where i could see those?

i already stated that the a-wing only managed to do that when the shields were down. that was m entire point, that its armor isnt all that special without its shielding.

but even with shields, as i said before:

Goddang, Janus. You just killed the debate in an overly effective manner.




Hawt.

i don't really know what to say then. i was trying to not make the thread imbalanced in favor of the Earth but instead I made it in heavy favor of the Empire, even while using the weakest form of Star Destroyer. @_@

First , what does EU mean ?

Second , if anywhere in Star Wars it is mentioned how much energy the shields can withstand , then be sure they'll say a number that will make us look like primitive monkeys , just to impress . You never say a number which we could deal with , because then you make you're creation look weak and un-impressive .

But ignoring the fictional fact , we could blow our damn planet up over 3 times . That ship isn't even compared to the planet in size , how the hell can it withstand such a huge force . We could basicly expose each square centimeter of their ship to a force that would vaporize anything we know of ... the 70 trilion GW number is way to fictional to be brought to reality so why bother making a post . Try to debate it from a resonable point of view . The idea is to discuss what strategies we could take , how would the battle progress , not to give them a power we could not match from the start and ...thats it .
Consider their shields are down , what will then be the result ?

Originally posted by radu1234
First , what does EU mean ?

Second , if anywhere in Star Wars it is mentioned how much energy the shields can withstand , then be sure they'll say a number that will make us look like primitive monkeys , just to impress . You never say a number which we could deal with , because then you make you're creation look weak and un-impressive .

But ignoring the fictional fact , we could blow our damn planet up over 3 times . That ship isn't even compared to the planet in size , how the hell can it withstand such a huge force . We could basicly expose each square centimeter of their ship to a force that would vaporize anything we know of ... the 70 trilion GW number is way to fictional to be brought to reality so why bother making a post . Try to debate it from a resonable point of view . The idea is to discuss what strategies we could take , how would the battle progress , not to give them a power we could not match from the start and ...thats it .
Consider their shields are down , what will then be the result ?

EU = Expanded Universe.

Our creations are weak and unimpressive.

To answer your size comment: Bake a massive muffin (A couple of meters in diameter would suffice) and then smash it with a hammer. Then go get an anvil and smash that with a hammer. Get back to me with the result on which object suffered most damage. Then we can talk about how much size actually matters.

Originally posted by radu1234
First , what does EU mean ?
Expanded Universe.*
Originally posted by radu1234

Second , if anywhere in Star Wars it is mentioned how much energy the shields can withstand , then be sure they'll say a number that will make us look like primitive monkeys , just to impress . You never say a number which we could deal with , because then you make you're creation look weak and un-impressive .
So, if I understand what you're saying, because the number is bigger than we can handle, it should be thrown out. That's just silly. The numbers suggest that a bullet would explodicate my skull but I can promise you, we can't throw those numbers out.
Originally posted by radu1234

But ignoring the fictional fact , we could blow our damn planet up over 3 times . That ship isn't even compared to the planet in size , how the hell can it withstand such a huge force . We could basicly expose each square centimeter of their ship to a force that would vaporize anything we know of ... the 70 trilion GW number is way to fictional to be brought to reality so why bother making a post . Try to debate it from a resonable point of view . The idea is to discuss what strategies we could take , how would the battle progress , not to give them a power we could not match from the start and ...thats it .
Consider their shields are down , what will then be the result ?
We can't blow up the planet.
Destroying the Earth is harder than you may have been led to believe.

We would be hard pressed to blow up the planet.






Leaving aside the whole 'canon doesn't agree with me so it's wrong' mentality (Janus/Gideon will deal with that maybe sometime) I don't think that we'd have much of a chance even if their shields were down. Their warships tank blasts from starship cannons that deal much more energy per shot than one of our nukes,even without their shields. (See the Battle above Coruscant.)
...
Maybe we could kamikaze a lot of F-22s and other planes into it?








*Ninja'd

I was refering to the Star Wars universe ... mostly to the ship shields >.>

and it's more like : take a house sized muffin( which you left over for a long time and herdened...really hardened like you could break your teeth in it) and an anvil , with the interior made entirely out of holes and a core (from which tunnels go through the entire anvil) of...a very very explosive substance ( that automatically spreads in the tunnels) . blow both up with dinamite and see what happens .

oh yeah and ... f**k i wanted to say we could blow up our planet , not couldn't . but i can see you noticed i was mistaking.
with your link and the fact that we CAN blow our planet about 3 or 4 times with the nukes we have (saw this in different tech magazines and things like that not on the internet,so i can't basicly prove it ... belive me or search the net, maybe you will find sth ,or just don't belive me -_- ) , we can conclude we could bring down their ship as well ... or not . we can't solve this problem since we don't know how would our nukes affect their ship. we can only make suppositions . i say we can blow the ship , you say we can't but none of us can actually prove it .

I've miscommunicated.

(That's not a word.)


Look:

Our planet is nowhere near as frail as many appear to believe. Those that think we can shatter our beloved globe are misinformed and giving our scientists too much credit.

We might be able to render it sterile. Maybe. We certainly could kill most of the humans and large mammals. Maybe even a majority of plants. We couldn't touch the integrity of the rock we stand on though.

hmm , told you , i only read it somewhere , so it might be an exageration . I don't know for sure so i belive you ... so it still resumes to wheather or not all the armament on Earth could damage the ship or not . But it's more likely that we won't even scratch the ship first because our rockets would be obliterated by their guns before they reached the ship and second because they might not damage it enough ... a space battle would most likely be above us , who knows .

Think about it like this:

There's only 2047 troops are two squads of tie fighters, so the forces will get killed easily if they try to attack.

The only threat is the Star Destroyer, but with the FULL LOAD of the world's nuclear missiles we could probably take it down.

If all else fails, we could just fly fighter jets/transport planes into the destroyer (just like in Star Wars how fighters would fly into ENEMY ships' energy shield without trouble, meaning that our nukes could easily get through) and storm the destroyer (and since the Empire's troops would have been destroyed, the ship would be defenseless).

The destroyer has guns of its own. And I think you'd be surprised how well two squadrons of TIE would manage.

Originally posted by WO Polaski
i don't really know what to say then. i was trying to not make the thread imbalanced in favor of the Earth but instead I made it in heavy favor of the Empire, even while using the weakest form of Star Destroyer. @_@ I suggested in the other thread a while back how a grounded ISD and it's contingent would fair against an Earth caught by surprise.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Goddang, Janus. You just killed the debate in an overly effective manner.




Hawt.

That post took a little while to get the numbers straight. I had to avoid crossing power with energy output, since they're different. And when it comes to these kinds of weapons, energy is more important.



This reminds me of Rex's quote: "Let's pile on random Jedi knights until Yoda dies." Basically, if the intent is to prove what it would take to destroy Subject X, it's usually better to just leave it up to an open discussion if that's the goal. If the objective is instead to seriously discover how X meets up against Y, then by all means, this was the right idea.

tell that to rogue jedi in the movie vs.

Rogue Jedi cannot be convinced of anything. He's completely shut off from outside feedback.

I missed this ridiculousness.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Think about it like this:

There's only 2047 troops are two squads of tie fighters, so the forces will get killed easily if they try to attack.

Actually, the idea that earth forces could get close enough to the ISD to attack any ground forces is kind of rubbish. Orbital bombardments aside, the ISD can effectively cover armed forces indefinitely. Considering that most of war is breaking the enemy's resolve, I don't see many world powers winning a war of attrition against a loaded ISD and its ground troops which it can land anywhere:

"With the use of transports the Imperials can land wherever they deem fit; that will be up to you guys to debate."

So since the Imps have conquered more worlds than I can name in a day and have very strict and to-the-letter doctrine on handling inferior mobs, they would not just spill their troops into the sand and buh-bye. They would neutralize any air forces or nuclear powers which attacked them through a judicious use of scanners, evasive sublight maneuvers, and overwhelming firepower/shields and then disperse their troops at key locations.

To put it this way, the ISD could hover over D.C., drop the troopers, let them mop up and scare off the population, and cover them from a distance of over 10 KM in any direction. This is more effective than any kind of air support or artillery support earth can muster. They could conceivably just march up the eastern seaboard of the U.S. or among another major powers' metropolitan areas and just divide and conquer. Sense no armed forces can be expected to defeat the ISD's firepower, and their lines would be broken, most major powers would collapse because of the idea of an unbreakable enemy.

Quite simply put, morale is far more important than sheer numbers. Hence Vietnam or Operation Barbarossa. Just the size of the ISD in the sky would probably cause such chaos in the streets that armed forces would not be able to make a solid line of defense. And even if they did, they would be strafed mercilessly by TIE fighters.

tl;dr version? Ground troops don't get dumped out like G.I. Joe's for the good old boys to shoot at, but can effectively land at strategic locations, mop up under ISD support, and move on. Blitzkrieg, ftw.



Which means that every single world power would have to want to commit 100% accurate nuclear strike on one mobile target, fallout be damned.

Do you realize how suicidal and stupid that idea really is, or are you just awestruck by moar = bettur?



First off, the explosive power of jet fuel will not exceed that of a nuclear bomb. Not by a longshot. So therefore it would take millions upon millions of planes to hit all at once to even approach the energy generated by a bomb which still wouldn't penetrate the shields of something older than the ISD.

If you seriously think that we can just throw planes at it indefinitely until its shields go down, you lack reading comprehension and intelligence on a scale so massive, it would take Stephen Hawkings, Einstein, and Jesus to measure it.



No.

You have not been reading the above posts.

Try again.



Seriously, epic fail. Do you even know what you're talking about? I'm assuming your learning of tactical expertise comes from watching cartoons and Star Trek, because this is complete nonsense. Take this back, or we get to revoke your human citizenship. This is shameful.

oh, btw, about landing in key points. In the even of an alien invasion, both the president and the prime-minister of US(most likely all other countries except the stupid ones will take the same measures) are immediately taken to secret safe places, each in a different one, so nobody except the ones that go there with them will know where they are. Also none knows where the other is(refering to president and prime-minister) in case one dies, the other is still safe.

So basicly dropping in key points to stop them from giving orders to the army in removed from the list.

But neutralizing their communicative capabilities is not.

yeah, removing all communication that requires sattelites(by destroying the sattelites), but they could still communicate through antennas that transmit from one to another on closer distances.

The ISD's orbital bombardment may even be able to reach the sort of Presidential bunker we see in the movies. They turn the ground into glass.

Firstly, they aren't important figureheads in a total war against a superior enemy. The president can be sipping vodka in a WWII bunker with hardlines to several key bases, and his forces will still get annihilated. Simply surviving the initial onslaught means nothing.

Also, once the resisting forces are destroyed/broken, the leaders' authority will erode considerably. They are unimportant.

Lastly, the US doesn't have a prime minister like other countries, so I assume you typo'd.



Again, pointless. A head without arms is not going to win the war, and any nation leader will abdicate or lose all formal power before any skirmish against the ISD concludes.



What will they be communicating that will do anything other than stir up panic or another suicidal counter attack? And leaving aside the unreliability of short range radios and other communication methods, I think you're completely ignoring the fact that earth has nothing they can use against the ISD to destroy it. And since it can serve as a mobile artillery/air support for its ground forces, this makes it more effective than anything that can be marshaled in short notice.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I suggested in the other thread a while back how a grounded ISD and it's contingent would fair against an Earth caught by surprise.

And a few pages later I agreed to that and posted a scenario stating how their Star Destroyer crashed due to a rebel sabotage... and you laughed at it saying that it was stupid.

Put him on Ignore.

Do it.

Originally posted by Janus Marius






First off, the explosive power of jet fuel will not exceed that of a nuclear bomb. Not by a longshot. So therefore it would take millions upon millions of planes to hit all at once to even approach the energy generated by a bomb which still wouldn't penetrate the shields of something older than the ISD.

If you seriously think that we can just throw planes at it indefinitely until its shields go down, you lack reading comprehension and intelligence on a scale so massive, it would take Stephen Hawkings, Einstein, and Jesus to measure it.




You don't understand. I DIDN'T MEAN KAMIKAZE BOMB THEM, I meant board their ship with troops and take control of the ship. Now WAIT before you get too excited about saying that it's stupid: this happens all of the time in Star Wars where a force would board a ship and storm it pirate style.

AND, why did you complain about me only giving them 500,000 troops and now you claim that 2000 is sufficient? If they were to all airdrop onto DC. then we'd just send in a MUCH larger force and WTF pwn them, true they'd scare the citizens but they'd then proceed to get beaten easily. It's just amazing how you think that 2000 guys can break the will of the entire world...after they get over the shock of aliens invading assuming that they've read Star Wars they'd quickly realize that stormtroopers aren't invincible and that 2000 aren't a threat.

Forgive me for the poor grammer and run on sentences.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
You don't understand. I DIDN'T MEAN KAMIKAZE BOMB THEM, I meant board their ship with troops and take control of the ship. Now WAIT before you get too excited about saying that it's stupid: this happens all of the time in Star Wars where a force would board a ship and storm it pirate style.

AND, why did you complain about me only giving them 500,000 troops and now you claim that 2000 is sufficient? If they were to all airdrop onto DC. then we'd just send in a MUCH larger force and WTF pwn them, true they'd scare the citizens but they'd then proceed to get beaten easily. It's just amazing how you think that 2000 guys can break the will of the entire world...after they get over the shock of aliens invading assuming that they've read Star Wars they'd quickly realize that stormtroopers aren't invincible and that 2000 aren't a threat.

Forgive me for the poor grammer and run on sentences. Goddamn you're oblivious. It's like you retain every insult but forget every fact. 500,000 troops unsupported by air will lose. 2000 troops supported by a floating death-mobile will win. And you are aware that every time a ship was boarded in Star Wars, it was using Star Wars technology? Incidentally, we don't have that. How are the so-called boarding parties going to A.) get close enough to the ship that's hovering in the atmosphere, and B.) get through the shields?

With these guys and Bruce Willis, asshat.

That guy carried a f/uckin' claymore in to battle. B!tchin.'

The Empire stands no chance.

Come to think of it, imagine if Braveheart and that guy were on the boarding team. Look out Vader.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Goddamn you're oblivious. It's like you retain every insult but forget every fact. 500,000 troops unsupported by air will lose. 2000 troops supported by a floating death-mobile will win. And you are aware that every time a ship was boarded in Star Wars, it was using Star Wars technology? Incidentally, we don't have that. How are the so-called boarding parties going to A.) get close enough to the ship that's hovering in the atmosphere, and B.) get through the shields?

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there is no evidence to suggest that Star Wars ships have some special shield bypass tech or anything like that. Based on the movies and books, the shields simply don't block projectiles since most Star Wars weapons are energy and friendly ships need to be able to move in and out freely.

So nukes (assuming that they aren't shot down by defense systems) could go through the shields and blow it up from the inside where it won't be as well armored.

And stop it with complaining about me being oblivious. In the last thread you STILL refuse to answer to my arguments.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but there is no evidence to suggest that Star Wars ships have some special shield bypass tech or anything like that. Based on the movies and books, the shields simply don't block projectiles since most Star Wars weapons are energy and friendly ships need to be able to move in and out freely.

So nukes (assuming that they aren't shot down by defense systems) could go through the shields and blow it up from the inside where it won't be as well armored.

And stop it with complaining about me being oblivious. In the last thread you STILL refuse to answer to my arguments. OK. Then why did the energy field of the Death Star II destroy like 10 fighters when the Rebel Fleet pulled evasive action? I'm tasking you with providing proof that Imperial-era capital ships don't carry energy shields which deflect projectiles. I'm also gonna require proof from you that Confederacy-era ray shields that seemed to line the hallways of Providence-class capital ships didn't stop matter (despite the fact that three human were trapped within it). Because OBVIOUSLY mile-long Star Destroyers designed for intense combat in the far-flung space age are vulnerable to projectiles. That explains why lasers are used. Did all that make sense? No? Now you know how we all feel when we read your crap.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
OK. Then why did the energy field of the Death Star II destroy like 10 fighters when the Rebel Fleet pulled evasive action? I'm tasking you with providing proof that Imperial-era capital ships don't carry energy shields which deflect projectiles. I'm also gonna require proof from you that Confederacy-era ray shields that seemed to line the hallways of Providence-class capital ships didn't stop matter (despite the fact that three human were trapped within it). Because OBVIOUSLY mile-long Star Destroyers designed for intense combat in the far-flung space age are vulnerable to projectiles. That explains why lasers are used. Did all that make sense? No? Now you know how we all feel when we read your crap.

QFT.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I am a bastard.

Indeed.

Originally posted by Gideon
Indeed. STOP DOING THAT

Edited. Better idea.

Originally moaned by Eminence's mom
DON'T STOP DOING THAT

I actually smirked at that.

But you're an idiot.

Originally posted by Eminence
But you're an idiot. Said the pot to the kettle.

The pot and the kettle were idiots, too.

Originally posted by Gideon
I ask for your forgiveness, Master!

I do not forgive! I do not forget!

*Freezes him in a creek*

Originally posted by Eminence
The pot and the kettle were idiots, too. So we're both idiots then.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So we're both idiots then. No, the components of the metaphor are idiotic, the metaphor is idiotic, and you, sir, are idiotic.

Applesauce?

Originally posted by Eminence
No, the components of the metaphor are idiotic, the metaphor is idiotic, and you, sir, are idiotic.

Applesauce? Ooo, please.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I do not forgive! I do not forget!

*Freezes him in a creek*

Voldemort's suing your ass for copyright infringement.

I thought that was the slogan of Nike sportswear products.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I thought that was the slogan of Nike sportswear products. No no, it's Barack's.

And just who the hell do you think is behind Nike and Obama?

Voldemort.

You do know what's behind Voldemort don't you?

Escape with lube?

That's right. Gideon raped Voldemort. Pretty impressive, man.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Escape with lube?

I plead the fifth.

And you're still a bastard.

Originally posted by Gideon
I'll obey, I swear!

http://i43.tinypic.com/2dqmvxx.jpg

no

u TOTALLY missed the point of my post. The guy said they would destroy the white house in 1 shot and end it before it happened. I said that cant happen >.>

Hmm, yeah US doesnt have a prime-minister, my bad, i meant the secretary of state (hope thats how he's called in english as well)

You clearly didn't point out what you were addressing, just flinging out something senseless about leaders relocating. Who cares where they relocate? Their forces get neutered. End of debate.

The ****ing White Death solos.



Seriously, 700 with a crappy gun, no scope and in sub-zero temperatures. If he had a real sniper and was in mexico he might even stand a chance against Gideons ego and its raping ways.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
OK. Then why did the energy field of the Death Star II destroy like 10 fighters when the Rebel Fleet pulled evasive action? I'm tasking you with providing proof that Imperial-era capital ships don't carry energy shields which deflect projectiles. I'm also gonna require proof from you that Confederacy-era ray shields that seemed to line the hallways of Providence-class capital ships didn't stop matter (despite the fact that three human were trapped within it). Because OBVIOUSLY mile-long Star Destroyers designed for intense combat in the far-flung space age are vulnerable to projectiles. That explains why lasers are used. Did all that make sense? No? Now you know how we all feel when we read your crap.

You're pathetic. Your logic FAILS.

Useless trolling? Is this how logic dies?

No, with a thunderous applause.

And in order to keep this new stability, KMC forums shall be reorganized with the first-Internet-troll site!!!!!!!!!!

...never mind. That wasn't trolling; I'm just doing what Lucien did to me JAUNUS. So JAUNUS if you think that that's trolling then why yell at me and no Lucien. Yell at neither of us, both of us or only him (since he started it...that sounds so childish...)

And Jaunus, why can't we make peace? Do you hate me or something?

It's JANUS.

You know, all those times I said you couldn't read properly, and then you go typo my name?

stfu mariyus

Quiet, Feminence.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
And in order to keep this new stability, KMC forums shall be reorganized with the first-Internet-troll site!!!!!!!!!!

...never mind. That wasn't trolling; I'm just doing what Lucien did to me JAUNUS. So JAUNUS if you think that that's trolling then why yell at me and no Lucien. Yell at neither of us, both of us or only him (since he started it...that sounds so childish...)

And Jaunus, why can't we make peace? Do you hate me or something? So you stoop to low levels just to feel good?

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Quiet, Feminence. I anticipated this.

y muhst u b sow prediktabull?

Shush um... ass. Yeah, take that for predictable.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Quiet, Feminence.

LOL!!

Prove it.

Heh feminence, I'm feeling stupid for not thinking of it on my own.

You are stupid.

And Nyx thought of that. Janus should give credit where credit is due.

ALWAYS give credit where credit is due.

Haha, feminence, the great vengeful koala. Has a ring to it.

Stoopid.

u so stoopiiiiiid

ur stoopiderer!!!1!1

piks or tididunt happuhn

der on mi cmera

mke me post m!

I will require your name, residential address (zip code is necessary), e-mail address, date of birth, and social security number.

I will give u everything, except my name, residential address, e-mai and social security number.

You know my date of birth, so there ya go.

this is so lame guys.

make ur 屌ing 和平 and get on with ur 很屎的生活's.

這世界上應該有點　心愛,　快樂, and 音樂LOL.


my new quote: 你哋所有全部冚唪 should do something more productive.
Epic

I would suggest: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0dR105K9vQ

start at 1:25

epic 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂

sry this doesn't have anything to do with the thread topic. but since you guys aren't talking about anything anyways...


edit: oh shit idk what happened lol

Originally posted by kotorfan

make ur 屌ing 和平 and get on with ur 很屎的生活's.

這世界上應該有點　心愛,　快樂, and 音樂LOL.


你哋所有全部冚唪

epic 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 音樂 What is this, and why is it in every one of your posts? Are you trying to type in Cantonese or something?

its better then cussing and swearing in english. It takes less time. u should learn some...

and the red = music

屌= f word

和平=peace

快樂=happiness

愛= love
others = nonrelated and unimportant. u can look it up if u really want to kno.


I'll just be using 屌 and 仆街 a hell of a lot .

cuz they soud cool.


and i like ur new nickname. lol I didn't think that would happen..


and one last thing before i go to sleep..

生活 = life

Who knew, I'm actually learning new stuff here.

... You understand that they don't come through as actual Cantonese characters, right?

dude cantonese=mandarin with different pronunciation.

and cantonese = chinese. just a dialect.

and there are different cantonese characters that don't exist in mandarin.

like 冚唪唥

啲

乜

哋

and others i could name..

We. Don't. See. Characters. We see boxes.

oh.. sry.. now u tell me.. after like what? 3 months?

y didn't ppl say something before? cuz I see characters.


http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=c2e0c5a2-66fe-4854-be35-7a5e539a0980&DisplayLang=en

to view characters...


also, i'm assuming that all u guys have windows xp, not vista.. but i'm sure theres one for vista also.


then go to regional and language options in control panel, and add language

k

I did say it before:Originally posted by Eminence
... You understand that they don't come through as actual Cantonese characters, right? wuteva

I still have finals too...

Btw, I don't see boxes really, I see characters. But I'm European, while Faunus is not.

Yeah, I see characters. I guess Faunus' crap computer can generate something outside of Sanserif font.

I see characters as well... well some of them anyways.

Originally posted by Autokrat
I see characters as well... well some of them anyways. Same. Though I hate these guys. Why is it never the good characters?

do u want some good characters?
lol

I thought u wanted to like swear without them being censored or w/e

:P

anyways.. what kinda good characters do u want?

I don't mind the censor. It still allows stuff like "shit", "ass", "damn", and "fanboy".

thats like 3 words... fanboy isn't exactly a swear word lol

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Yeah, I see characters. I guess Faunus' crap computer can generate something outside of Sanserif font. wtf

burn in hell ware noi creeks plz

lol whats with the creeks? I mean it was started in the plo koon thread and now its everywhere.

Originally posted by Eminence
wtf

burn in hell ware noi creeks plz
Janus will just say Koon is so powerful he can freeze hell. -.-'

Originally posted by mattatom
Janus will just say Koon is so powerful he can freeze hell. -.-'


hell is unfreezable. and Plo Koon isn't all that powerful.. I'd say Obi Wan could take him.

He is to Janus.
I know he's not powerful.

Plo Koon was really the Chosen One.

Here's Hell when he's done with it:

http://hikealberta.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/prairie-creek-compress.jpg

lol do all the threads here get like this cause of stupid topic (d'oh, fictional characters imaginarely fighting isn't what i'd call...smart) or this one and the "what if vader atked blah blah" are somewhat special ??

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Plo Koon was really the Chosen One.

Here's Hell when he's done with it:

http://hikealberta.files.wordpress.com/2007/02/prairie-creek-compress.jpg .


hell does not have trees cuz it would all be burnt down.

edit: they not it

Plo Koon made those trees. He's actually a Celestial.



This coming from a person who types like he has Alzheimer's.



The only thing here special is you, Corky. Go play in traffic.

I'm sorry if ur to stupid to understand what i write, but its easier like this. Just dont read.

the morronic insults u farted aimlessly in the other post will be attended to tomorrow. My sleep and time basicly is way to important to be wasted just like that on a pathetic excuse of a clown...no offence >.>

Since no one is actually willing to argue, I win. Earth wins.

And BTW Janus, if the Empire easily wins just by landing troops and near instantly breaking the will of Earth, then isn't this a spite against Earth?

I've bolded the idiocy for you.



Silly troll. I've already conclusively argued this and you couldn't respond.

And this isn't about "you" winning. If you create threads to "win", then you are a "loser", because spite threads annoy everyone but the fanboys who agree with them.



No, it's not for two reasons:

1. It wouldn't be near-instantly. Nothing happens instantly in war. You and retard1234 need to understand this.

2. You didn't know any of that stuff I posted before I posted it; therefore your intention was to make yet another spite thread and then you whine and kick your feet when you don't "win".

Go play in traffic.

Originally posted by Janus Marius



2. You didn't know any of that stuff I posted before I posted it; therefore your intention was to make yet another spite thread and then you whine and kick your feet when you don't "win".

Go play in traffic.

Umm...you do realize that I didn't make this thread, right?

Spite means INTENTION. It's a relatively simple concept. If you constantly make unbalanced threads and then claim to "Win" when the disadvantaged side loses, you're working in spite. Very simple. Even you should be able to understand this.



Correction: the thread creator (Whom I assumed was you, because I've argued against you on three different threads with roughly the same premise) already stated that she didn't realize it was that lopsided. Hence, it's not a spite thread.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Spite means INTENTION. It's a relatively simple concept. If you constantly make unbalanced threads and then claim to "Win" when the disadvantaged side loses, you're working in spite. Very simple. Even you should be able to understand this.



Correction: the thread creator (Whom I assumed was you, because I've argued against you on three different threads with roughly the same premise) already stated that she didn't realize it was that lopsided. Hence, it's not a spite thread.

I didn't realize that mine was a spite thread (if it was); otherwise why would I argue that it isn't? Even if (according to you) I'm stupid and made a retarded thread, I didn't intend for it to be a spite thread, and I ADMITTED that the Empire would give the Earth a very good fight but that (in my opinion) they'd lose.

Well there, that's all you had to say.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
I am retarded, suck at arguing and fail at life.

Well, there's all you had to say.

Rofl. Nice try.

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Rofl. Nice try you totally got me

Thanks.

Oooooooh.

Originally posted by Eminence
Oooooooh. Hewhoknowsall all is awesome at making comebacks!!! How dare you insult him Janus!

Thank you Eminence for supporting me and backing me up against the tyranny and oppression of trolls.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I didn't realize that mine was a spite thread (if it was); otherwise why would I argue that it isn't?

You didn't realize it was a spite thread? You should really re-read the first pages of the thread. You actually say that you do not believe the Empire can win. I can give you quotes if you want. Something like 'I can't believe 500 000 stormtroopers stand a chance against the entire Earth'. So according to you it wasn't fair. Thus, spite.

On the second page I asked why you would make a thread when you were positive one side would win. Then you responded with:

He won't answer that. He has a tendency to "overlook" things which ultimately defeat him.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
He won't answer that. He has a tendency to "overlook" things which ultimately defeat him.

Janus has taught him well. haermm

Originally posted by Gideon
Janus has taught him well. haermm
Yoda vs Sidious w/ scans, say what?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Thank you Eminence for supporting me and backing me up against the tyranny and oppression of trolls. I did this!

Originally posted by Janus Marius
Yoda vs Sidious w/ scans, say what?

no u haermm

Originally posted by Eminence
I did this!

When did this happen? I always thought Faunus was on the troll side...

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
You didn't realize it was a spite thread? You should really re-read the first pages of the thread. You actually say that you do not believe the Empire can win. I can give you quotes if you want. Something like 'I can't believe 500 000 stormtroopers stand a chance against the entire Earth'. So according to you it wasn't fair. Thus, spite.

On the second page I asked why you would make a thread when you were positive one side would win. Then you responded with:

Do you realize that for the first half of the thread Lucien, Nai and Gideon argued FOR the Empire and claimed that they would win "easily" and quickly "break the will" of the world via simple mind tricks? So you're claiming that I should have realized that it's a spite early on in the thread, but Lucien, Nai and Gideon didn't until much later and yet you don't blame THEM.

(an argument that I predict you will make) "Well that's because you twisted the thread and it wasn't a spite at first so that's why they argued for the Empire!" Well if it wasn't a spite a first then that means that I WOULDN'T HAVE RECOGNIZED THAT IT WAS A SPITE IN THE EARLY PAGES BECAUSE IT WASN'T!!!!!

You do not get what I'm saying. **** spite.

I don't care what they said. I said that YOU made that thread while YOU were sure Earth would win. Tell me now, honestly, that you wouldn't have thought that the Earth would definately win the thread, before anyone posted.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
You do not get what I'm saying. **** spite.

I don't care what they said. I said that YOU made that thread while YOU were sure Earth would win. Tell me now, honestly, that you wouldn't have thought that the Earth would definately win the thread, before anyone posted.

Let me try to say it clearly:

I thought (pretty surely) that Earth would win. HOWEVER, I admitted that the Empire would put up a VERY good fight. That's why I voted "Earth wins" and not "Earth pwns"

The others thought that the Empire would win and that they would easily just capture a single nuclear country, blackmail the other countries and use their super ultra pwning tech to win. They also thought that we would NOT EVEN BE ABLE TO HARM the imperials in any way. So basically, they have a 0 casualty win.

AND, you say that you don't care about what they said but you do care about what I said? It's not fair that you yell at me for doing X but NOT at them for doing X as well. Either yell at both of us or neither of us.




Anyway, Earth still wins in this one, but the Eclipse one is DEFINITELY a spite...