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3 vs 3, all out, Naboo plains.

Yes, I make thread.

Team 2. Reasons come later.

Good thread, though.

Yeah that is a fun combo. I say team 1 though, cuz Luke isn't uber yet.

yeah but although Luke isn't exactly uber, he can take on uber Palpy.. ( I'm not very familiar with the DE era btw)

I'm positive that Caedus can take on Starkiller, unless it comes to a force battle. Dooku ruins Mauls shit unless its a saber battle.

Luke can take Grevious anytime. so yeah team 2.

If I remember right from the hearsay, Luke didn't take on Palpatine, it was his, Leia's, and Anakin's uber Light Side allegiance did away with him.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If I remember right from the hearsay, Luke didn't take on Palpatine, it was his, Leia's, and Anakin's uber Light Side allegiance did away with him.

You could... read the damn essay I slaved over. But nooo...

Or actually read the comic's...

Originally posted by mattatom
Or actually read the comic's...

Actually, I'd prefer they read my essay. STFU. Don't give them alternatives...

excellent

Oh. In that case, well nothing really changes.. lol

Galen still gets beat by Jacen in most cases (I'd say 60-70% of all fights), Dooks beats Maul about the same % maybe even higher percentage, and Luke still destroys grevious. Basically Grevious can't counter someone of Luke's caliber. I know that he can dodge force pushes etc., but he can't avoid grip. Vader can use TK light years away, just by seeing them on a monitor. Luke is probably at Vader's level of force mastery by now, (maybe slightly weaker?) but I'm confident that Luke's team wins.

Originally posted by Gideon
Actually, I'd prefer they read my essay. STFU. Don't give them alternatives...

excellent
You only want them to read your essay because they make your retina's bleed and then they will never be able to debate argue waste server space any longer; so you can finally go into retirement!
I see through your plan!clapping

u r essai is unobkecive n isteprretashun

Originally posted by Gideon
Actually, I'd prefer they read my essay. STFU. Don't give them alternatives...

excellent

I skim read it once.

I read it all, properly, bcause I have a habit for wasting time, it was a informative and in depth analysis of Sidious.

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"Wasting time"? Fall off cliff, plz.

I waste time on important stuffs. Such as your essay, go visit the thread below this one.
ty

Originally posted by mattatom
I waste time on important stuffs. Such as your essay, go visit the thread below this one.
ty

You do know that threads switch order, right? Especially with me constantly posting crap in them.

Yes I do Slash, I spend most my time on Halocharts.
It was immediately below at that moment in time.

Originally posted by Gideon

"Wasting time"? Fall off cliff, plz.

I thought that was ur signature for a few seconds. lol but then I realized it was too far away from ur pic. well idk.. I think ur only allowed 8 lines or something like that. but then i typed 4 and KMC was like nope u have 12 lines.

Going off topic again...

Back on topic, team 2 wins via superior skill and power.

I have a question: you guys say that X beats Y Z% of the time, so that means that not every fight will go as it "most likely" will go. Therefore, just because person X beat person Y in the movies (like say Mace beats Sidious) in the movies doesn't mean that he most likely would; it could just mean that the 40% chance paid off. Therefore it would still be reasonable to do battle what ifs that have already been done in the movies because those battle don't represent what was most likely to happen.

Caedus and Marek will fight for a while. Caedus is the superior swordsman-he can take more pain,knows shatterpoint and also uses more unarmed combat moves. While I believe he has a higher mastery of the force than Marek, (not to mention knows more) Marek has more impressive force feats due to his raw power. I would a slight edge here to Marek in that category. So this could go 50/50.

Here is where it gets tricky because Grievous is the weakest combat due to the fact that he is not a force user and Maul could hold off Dooku long enough for the Luke to kill Grievous. If it is the other way around then I see Dooku losing to Luke while Maul could hold of Grievous or possibly kill him via the force. Then the two go and help Caedus defeat Marek or if Marek somehow kills Caedus then he will be in rough shape and wont stand a chance vs his two remaining opponents.

If while Luke is holding off Dooku though, Grievous does have a chance to kill Maul in saber combat and help Dooku with Luke though he would die. I still see Luke killing Dooku and helping Caedus kill Marek if he didn't do it on his own.

So I see Team 2 winning, with Caedus and Luke surviving most of the time. (depending on the match ups. ) But good thread by the way.

yeah this is a good thread.

and I agree with Elite Hunter. Thats basically the way I see it as well.

Marek probably has a slight advantage over Caedus in the force, (imo a pretty large cuz of raw power, but thats just me)
and would beat Caedus. oh and i think Starkiller's repulse cancels out Caedus's wave...

anyways.
Luke beats dooku, grevious, but not starkiller.
Starkiller beats Luke, Maul, and maybe Caedus. It could go either way.
so after the caedus/starkiller fight, the outcomes are:

Caedus dies, starkiller is weakened and someone comes along to finish him off

or

Starkiller dies, and Caedus is weakened and someone comes to finish him off.

so they both die. That leaves Dooku&Grevious vs Maul and Luke.

If Dooku fights Luke, Luke will win. If he fights Maul, Dooku wins.

Grevious looses to everyone, but could possibly hold off Maul, until Dooku saves him.

which won't happen, because Maul would in the most likely scenario, win the fight with grevious. He could force push/choke/grip/ w/e grevious to kill him, and grevious would be out.
(don't tell me that dodge force push lame thing cuz if Obi-Wan could push Grevious at close quarter combat, and Maul always engages in close quarter combat, He would obviously get Grevious, or utilize his kicks etc during the fight.)

Since Maul wins, he helps Luke defeat Dooku, who is the only one left.

so in conclusion, Caedus/Maul/Luke wins.

:P

Either Luke or Caedus rip Grievous to bits within the opening seconds of the duel. Maul may meet a similar fate at the hands of Marek, but I find it just as likely that Marek will already be tied up by whoever didn't kill Grievous. Either Marek or Dooku get double teamed, and then the other gets double/triple teamed and raped.

Team 2.

yeah either way, its team 2.. Unless Starkiller takes out Caedus in some epic force battle, then proceeds to destroy Luke, and Maul, so fast that neither one can help the other.. which is highly unlikely. unless he can use instakill, or crush or something of that sort.

Originally posted by Gideon
You could... read the damn essay I slaved over. But nooo...

Where is this essay over Dark Empire you wrote? I'd like to read it since ive never read DE.

Originally posted by kotorfan
I'm positive that Caedus can take on Starkiller, unless it comes to a force battle. Dooku ruins Mauls shit unless its a saber battle.

I don't think Starkiller will be outclassing Jacen Solo in a force contest.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
I don't think Starkiller will be outclassing Jacen Solo in a force contest.

I'd really love to see a Marek vs Caedus battle.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
I don't think Starkiller will be outclassing Jacen Solo in a force contest.

well I'm not 100% sure that Starkiller wins. see above I said around 60-70% of battles, if he relies on force heavily.

Caedus would win about 40% of the time because of his saber skills.

It all really depends on how they want to fight, sabers or force.

Originally posted by kotorfan
well I'm not 100% sure that Starkiller wins. see above I said around 60-70% of battles, if he relies on force heavily.

Caedus would win about 40% of the time because of his saber skills.

It all really depends on how they want to fight, sabers or force.

I'm not sure what you took out of my previous statement, but you seem to think that Starkiller would easily outclass Caedus in a force contest, and I disagree. I think that Jacen holds the advantage there.

It's over Palpatine in general, Vorpal:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t508764.html

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
I'm not sure what you took out of my previous statement, but you seem to think that Starkiller would easily outclass Caedus in a force contest, and I disagree. I think that Jacen holds the advantage there.

I didn't say eaisly, I said 60% of the time, which isn't eaisly last time I checked.. lol

I'm just assuming that the combatants will be relying of the force more, which is the basis of my reasoning that Marek would win more. but if Marek is careless, Caedus would destroy him with the saber. He is the only one who can take on LOTF Luke and live after all.

EDIT: what I meant by careless is that he rushes into battle, takes out his saber and attempts to chop Caedus in half or something like that. If he waits for Caedus to make the first move, or uses his brain during the fight, he could win.

It is really more of a 50/50 between the two. but based on force, Marek wins 60% of the time, is what I'm trying to say.

better? xD

crap i typoed easily twice..

Originally posted by Gideon
It's over Palpatine in general, Vorpal:

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/f6/t508764.html

Thanks.

Holy f*ck thats long!

Originally posted by kotorfan
I didn't say eaisly, I said 60% of the time, which isn't eaisly last time I checked.. lol

I'm just assuming that the combatants will be relying of the force more, which is the basis of my reasoning that Marek would win more. but if Marek is careless, Caedus would destroy him with the saber. He is the only one who can take on LOTF Luke and live after all.

EDIT: what I meant by careless is that he rushes into battle, takes out his saber and attempts to chop Caedus in half or something like that. If he waits for Caedus to make the first move, or uses his brain during the fight, he could win.

It is really more of a 50/50 between the two. but based on force, Marek wins 60% of the time, is what I'm trying to say.

better? xD

crap i typoed easily twice..

Yea, I understand what you mean just fine. I just think that Jacen has more force power than Galen. Surely Jacen has more force knowledge and more techniques.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Holy f*ck thats long!

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
Yea, I understand what you mean just fine. I just think that Jacen has more force power than Galen. Surely Jacen has more force knowledge and more techniques.

I agree on the force knowledge and techniques part, but does Jacen really have more force power than Galen?

I mean besides the force wave, and throwing the spikes on Luke, what has he done? like his techniques include time travel, lightning, tk, and choke, whirlwind, molecular rearrangement, force light, push, mind wipe, battle meditation, pain tolerance, and vongsense.

half of those don't really apply. It basically comes down to:

lightning, tk, whirlwind, wave, push, pain tolerance.

Galen has lightning shield, lightning, force push, repulse, combos, grip(choke), and lightning infused lightsaber, which could potentially stun.

Marek's knowledge of the Force doesn't compare. But his raw strength in it does.

Originally posted by kotorfan
I agree on the force knowledge and techniques part, but does Jacen really have more force power than Galen?

I mean besides the force wave, and throwing the spikes on Luke, what has he done? like his techniques include time travel, lightning, tk, and choke, whirlwind, molecular rearrangement, force light, push, mind wipe, battle meditation, pain tolerance, and vongsense.

half of those don't really apply. It basically comes down to:

lightning, tk, whirlwind, wave, push, pain tolerance.

Galen has lightning shield, lightning, force push, repulse, combos, grip(choke), and lightning infused lightsaber, which could potentially stun.

A lightening infused lightsaber... seriously? This is beginning to sound like some sort of RPG now.

Originally posted by Gideon
Marek's knowledge of the Force doesn't compare. But his raw strength in it does.

yeah thats what I was trying to say.

His force push obliterates doors, and grip power exceeds Yoda's. Lightning takes out ATSTs.

He doesn't have very many powers, but his powers are fully maxed out.

like:

his lightning is powerful lightning, not one bolt of shitty energy that is used to power a flashlight.

haven't u played TFU? he DOES have a lightning infused lightsaber, which does alot more damage. If he grazes someone with it, it could cause damage to internal organs etc.

Originally posted by kotorfan
yeah thats what I was trying to say.

His force push obliterates doors, and grip power exceeds Yoda's. Lightning takes out ATSTs.

He doesn't have very many powers, but his powers are fully maxed out.

like:

his lightning is powerful lightning, not one bolt of shitty energy that is used to power a flashlight.

More powerful than Yoda with force grip? I can't believe that either.

I'm sure that Galen and Jacen are relativly close in force power, but I think Jacen is the more cunning one and would find a way to win.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
More powerful than Yoda with force grip? I can't believe that either.

I'm sure that Galen and Jacen are relativly close in force power, but I think Jacen is the more cunning one and would find a way to win.

well like I said, either way, they both die at the end, cuz it will be close. If one defeats the other, someone else comes along and kills the weakened one.

oh and now I'll go study for like 30 more min. then come back.

but then there will be so many posts to respond to.. lol

Originally posted by kotorfan
I agree on the force knowledge and techniques part, but does Jacen really have more force power than Galen?

I mean besides the force wave, and throwing the spikes on Luke, what has he done? like his techniques include time travel, lightning, tk, and choke, whirlwind, molecular rearrangement, force light, push, mind wipe, battle meditation, pain tolerance, and vongsense.

half of those don't really apply. It basically comes down to:

lightning, tk, whirlwind, wave, push, pain tolerance.

Off the top of my head,Caedus's force powers that he can use in battle are, the ones you mentioned (idk if pain tolerance can be classified as a technique) plus, shatterpoint, illusion, hiding in the force, "force sever" (ben in sacrfice), "force paralysis" and "mind trick/persuade," force speed. And he can block blaster bolts with his hand so he might be able to block force lightning.

Is the lightning infused saber canon, I know it is in the game but what about the book?

idk. I read the book, but I don't have it. Its like one of those things where you go into a book shop and sit there for like 3 hrs or w/e as long as u want, and just read books there. lol

So idk.. u'll have to ask Gideon, or Eminence or Slash. lol

That's how I am with B&N.

So is the lightening Lightsaber canon? It doesn't seem likley that it is. Although there are ones that change color and size/length.

Originally posted by Gideon
That's how I am with B&N.

Originally posted by Vorpal Ruin
So is the lightening Lightsaber canon? It doesn't seem likley that it is. Although there are ones that change color and size/length.

I doubt it. It's a move where during a top to down lightsaber swing Galen charges the saber with lightning (correct me if i am wrong kotorfan). You could beat the whole game without using it.

yeah fan skywalker you are right. It is an overhead swing, where he infuses the lightsaber with lightning for deadlier attacks and damage. And yes you could beat the whole game without using it, but thats no fun. lol

Alright here is a pic from wookiepedia about Galen vs shadow guard with him using lightning lightsaber.


the caption says:



http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Marek_vs_ESG.jpg

Originally posted by Gideon
You could... read the damn essay I slaved over. But nooo... When I have time. Not to mention it's not at the top of the page anymore and I have to go looking for it...

Team two wins via better skills.

yeah that was my conclusion also