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This is Robert Downy Jr Iron-Man vs Anthology Batman, as in the one from Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, and Batman and Robin.

So here is the set up...

After the events of Iron-Man. Stark begins to her rumors about masked vigilante in Gotham running around killing people at the same time Wayne Enterprises. Begins to make some aggressive moves toward Stark Industries assets in Gotham. So in attempt to put away Batman and stop Wayne Enteprises. Stark moves his operation to Gotham, gets a mansion on a hill over looking the bay and nearby corperate headquarters. Assume he has more or less the same set up he did back home. His mission is two fold as Iron-Man take out Batman and as Stark stop Wayne. Of course Wayne knows he is gunning for him on both accounts.

For this scenario.

Tony(Iron-Man) will have the his 3 completed suits from the film as well as the Iron-Monger suit all in working order. He has his company/employees(including Potts)/security personel. As well as limited support from the military/SHIELD. Which includes Rhodes as a liason. Just to clarify Stark can loan out his armor if he wants.

Bruce(Batman) will have every suit and gadget he had in all 4 films(Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, and Batman and Robin) as well as every vehicle. Both planes, all three batmobiles, the boats etc. As Bruce he has all his regular buisness assets. As Batman he has help from Robin and BatGirl. They are also fully stocked on vehicles, suits, and gadgets. Of course he also has Alfred. He also has limited Police/Local Government support.

So when these 2 playboy, billionare, superheros go head to head both on the street and in the office. Who comes out on top?

Not sure Batman can put even a dent in IM's suit.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Not sure Batman can put even a dent in IM's suit.

The Batwing is packing missles and machine guns. We know that a high volume of fire from either can "dent" Iron-man's suit. So can significant physical impact. Such as getting punched about by Iron-Monger or getting hit by a car. So a combined air ground assault with the Batmobiles and Batwings is an option.

How agile/fast is the Batwing compared to the jets IM faced?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
How agile/fast is the Batwing compared to the jets IM faced?

Speed is hard to tell, but it's(they) proable not as manouverable. They may not even be as durable.

In some ways staying grounded and using the armerment on the Batmobiles might be a better option for Batman and as Iron-Man hunting Batman it shouldn't be hard for Batman to pull Iron-Man into a confrantation. In an enviroment that negates many of Iron-man advantages.

On the other hand Batman may actually be able to effect Iron-Man's suit in straight melee combat. He after all punched threw the floor plating/armor of the Batmobile. From an awkward sitting position in "Returns" and headbutted threw aircraft glass in "Forever". His hitting power combined with his reaction time(blocking bullets that is) may allow him to rattle Stark inside the armor or even "dent" the armor himself.

After all Iron-Monger was struggling against weakend IM in terms of strength. Iron-Man at this point was lifting with serious effort 3-4 tons(the SUV) and Iron-Monger was able to damage his armor, with appearently similiar strength. Bending steel requires 3,600psi or almost 2 ton of pressure. Mind you this is for low grade steel. So it stands as a low end estimate for Batman's striking power power, but it should put him in the ball park to hurt Iron-Man if he hit him(Stark) right.

What about Batmans cape? remember when Batman made it go solid and it saved him from the flames?

Nolans Batman would be better than Anthology Bats and he doesn't have half as much toys. But he's way better at stealth. He could break into Stark's apartment, kidnap Rhodey and Potts ect.

But Anthology Batman...........his best thing is his Batwings from '89 and '95. Iron Man spars with F-44 Raptors.

Batman is out of his element.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Nolans Batman would be better than Anthology Bats and he doesn't have half as much toys. But he's way better at stealth. He could break into Stark's apartment, kidnap Rhodey and Potts ect.

But Anthology Batman...........his best thing is his Batwings from '89 and '95. Iron Man spars with F-44 Raptors.

Batman is out of his element.


agreed

Keaton's Batwing is a complete joke compared to the two F-22 Raptors Tony both took a pounding from and out manuered/out flew. In Batman Returns, the Joker took out the Batwing with a single bullet, from a long barreled revolver. Does the Batwing even have guns?

So in the air, the IM suit obliterates anything Batman has.

On the ground, it's hard to tell, but Tony's gear seemed far more advanced and his armaments definitely looked deadlier. His repulsor beams and mini-missile might very well take out the Batmobile, hard to judge the Keaton-Batmobile. How was it destroyed again? The other Batmobiles were jokes.

Only clear advantage I see Wayne having is in a h2h fight, no suits/gear, he beats Stark into a pulp (and then rapes him anally, if it's the homosexual Cloony-Bat version.)

Originally posted by Nightstick
This is Robert Downy Jr Iron-Man vs Anthology Batman, as in the one from Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, and Batman and Robin.

So here is the set up...

After the events of Iron-Man. Stark begins to her rumors about masked vigilante in Gotham running around killing people at the same time Wayne Enterprises. Begins to make some aggressive moves toward Stark Industries assets in Gotham. So in attempt to put away Batman and stop Wayne Enteprises. Stark moves his operation to Gotham, gets a mansion on a hill over looking the bay and nearby corperate headquarters. Assume he has more or less the same set up he did back home. His mission is two fold as Iron-Man take out Batman and as Stark stop Wayne. Of course Wayne knows he is gunning for him on both accounts.

For this scenario.

Tony(Iron-Man) will have the his 3 completed suits from the film as well as the Iron-Monger suit all in working order. He has his company/employees(including Potts)/security personel. As well as limited support from the military/SHIELD. Which includes Rhodes as a liason. Just to clarify Stark can loan out his armor if he wants.

Bruce(Batman) will have every suit and gadget he had in all 4 films(Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, and Batman and Robin) as well as every vehicle. Both planes, all three batmobiles, the boats etc. As Bruce he has all his regular buisness assets. As Batman he has help from Robin and BatGirl. They are also fully stocked on vehicles, suits, and gadgets. Of course he also has Alfred. He also has limited Police/Local Government support.

So when these 2 playboy, billionare, superheros go head to head both on the street and in the office. Who comes out on top?


Can we count Gotham Knight's Batman, too?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Nolans Batman would be better than Anthology Bats and he doesn't have half as much toys. But he's way better at stealth. He could break into Stark's apartment, kidnap Rhodey and Potts ect.

But Anthology Batman...........his best thing is his Batwings from '89 and '95. Iron Man spars with F-44 Raptors.

Batman is out of his element.

Nolan Bat's is no better at stealth then Anthology Bats. Remember Anthology Batman could pull the appear and disappear thing to. Just look at the fight in the chemical plant. The difference is most of the time Anthology Batman chose not to. He really didn't need to as much. Given bullet timing reflexes, class 2 strength, and a bullet proof suit.

Originally posted by Robtard
Keaton's Batwing is a complete joke compared to the two F-22 Raptors Tony both took a pounding from and out manuered/out flew. In Batman Returns, the Joker took out the Batwing with a single bullet, from a long barreled revolver. Does the Batwing even have guns?

So in the air, the IM suit obliterates anything Batman has.

On the ground, it's hard to tell, but Tony's gear seemed far more advanced and his armaments definitely looked deadlier. His repulsor beams and mini-missile might very well take out the Batmobile, hard to judge the Keaton-Batmobile. How was it destroyed again? The other Batmobiles were jokes.

Only clear advantage I see Wayne having is in a h2h fight, no suits/gear, he beats Stark into a pulp (and then rapes him anally, if it's the homosexual Cloony-Bat version.)

The Batwing was armed with rocket/missles and machine guns. The Batmobile as well was packing machine guns etc as well.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Can we count Gotham Knight's Batman, too?

What is Gotham Knight's exactly?

Originally posted by Nightstick
The Batwing was armed with rocket/missles and machine guns. The Batmobile as well was packing machine guns etc as well.

Which Tony can likely take, at least the guns. Even then, he's far more manuerable, most likely faster and the Batwing would go down from one minor hit of his.

I only recall the Keaton one dropping those mine-like bombs to blow up the factory, those certainly won't hit Iron Man. The machineguns, won't be an issue either. Only thing is it's durability and if it could withstand Tony jumping/flying on it and ripping off the hatch. How was it destroyed again?

Originally posted by Nightstick
What is Gotham Knight's exactly?

An animated 4 part series. Had some really decent animation in a couple of the stories.

Originally posted by Robtard
An animated 4 part series. Had some really decent animation in a couple of the stories.



Also, one of the stories has this awesome bullet reflection thingie. Was quite awesome.

I am going to say no to the inclusion of Gotham Knight's for this match. On the other hand I may watch it at some point now.

Originally posted by dadudemon


Also, one of the stories has this awesome bullet reflection thingie. Was quite awesome.

Interesting, but then Movie Batman has blocked bullets before too.

He wouldnt be able to repell that armour piercing shit that he hit that tank with. Wayne might even explode inside his suit if he gets tagged with that....which'd be something to see....


As long as Iron Man takes Robin out too, its all good.

Bruce Wayne uses his wealth and buys some nukes as well as buying the majority shares of Stark Enterprises stock.

Batman wins.

Tony Stark is wealthier than Bruce Wayne.

Also Stark doesn't need to buy nukes, he probably makes them at home lol.

Yes......weapons that you only have to use once. (In the Batcave)

Well, if this is Clooney-Bat, then it's safe to say he has one of these for himself and Robin-boy in the ole Batcave.

http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00TCatlGEsjikQM/Sex-Massage-Chair-SF-007-.jpg

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, if this is Clooney-Bat, then it's safe to say he has one of these for himself and Robin-boy in the ole Batcave.

http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00TCatlGEsjikQM/Sex-Massage-Chair-SF-007-.jpg
Haha, reminded me of Burn After Reading.

I'm a big fan of Batman but I say IM takes this. Stark's suit can withstand a ton of damage, fly as fast or faster then an F-22 and can deal more damage than any of Batman's gadgets/vehicles put together.

Originally posted by Placidity
Tony Stark is wealthier than Bruce Wayne.


Is their any actual evidence of this.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth

As long as Iron Man takes Robin out too, its all good.

Considering that Robin could withstand the G-Forces of being rocket towards space at escape velocity(with out the conventional safety equipment mind you) and the strength to hold onto and climb a space ship that was doing so. Indicates that he could attach himself to Iron-Man via grapple or similiar means and hold on no matter how much Iron-Man tried to lose him and once up close with Stark he might even have the strength to take apart his armor by hand and even if he can't do it by hand he can cut threw it with his cutting torch laser tool.

Hahahahahaaa, no. Good attempt though, was a bit funny.

IM will be airborne, firing down.

Originally posted by Robtard
Hahahahahaaa, no. Good attempt though, was a bit funny.

IM will be airborne, firing down.

I'll admit it is a bit of long shot, but given superior knowledge of the terrain and being in and urban setting with high building and such. If Batman was leading Iron-man on a chase, say in the Batmobile. Robin might have an oppotunity to attach a graple or even just jump on him as he passes. Again it is addmitedly a bit of a long shot, but given some of the stuff that Batman and Robin pulled off, not completly out of the question.

You stick to your "long shot", I'll stick to IM's superior technology and firepower winning the day.

Originally posted by Robtard
You stick to your "long shot", I'll stick to IM's superior technology and firepower winning the day.

And how much of that fire power do you think that Tony is going to bust out in an occupied urban center(remember everybody knows he is Iron-Man)? How much of that fire power is he going to use if he is in a building or other structure that can collapse. Etc etc. Most of Tony's advantages can be negated by Batman using the enviroment(an enviroment he will know better by the way) to his advantage. Even flight will be of little use in confined spaces. Batman is also far more combat and tacticaly minded then Stark. In this scenario. He also holds the above noted home field advantage.

I really dont see how Batman makes this even the slightest challenge for IM.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I really dont see how Batman makes this even the slightest challenge for IM.

Batman seemed to have a better head for strategy and tactics. He also has the homefield advantage. Is possible more ruthless. His stealth abilities should he use them would allow him to steal stuff from Stark. Whose Iron-Man identity is public knowledge.

Even a straight up fight isn't as one sided as some seem to think. Between the Batmobile, the Batwing, and his own hitting power Batman can hurt Iron-Man. Even outside his vehicles his durability would allow him to take blows from Iron-Man. Batman has after all walked off multi-story falls, plane wrecks, being smashed threw huge neon sign at helicopter speeds, massed gun fire etc.

As touched on in an earlier post. Ambush's are an option. Such as force him to fly after somebody. Dodging between buildings and what not. Then using a combination of gliders, graples, and the climbing devices from "Batman and Robin". Get on top of Iron-Man and pound on him or hit him, explosives or cutting tools etc. Batman could even catch Tony on a grapple and attach the other end to the Batmobile and pulls against him. Batman could even bait Iron-Man into fighting in a subway tunnel or similiar structure and then run him down with one or multiple Batmobiles.

Originally posted by Nightstick
And how much of that fire power do you think that Tony is going to bust out in an occupied urban center(remember everybody knows he is Iron-Man)? How much of that fire power is he going to use if he is in a building or other structure that can collapse. Etc etc. Most of Tony's advantages can be negated by Batman using the enviroment(an enviroment he will know better by the way) to his advantage. Even flight will be of little use in confined spaces. Batman is also far more combat and tacticaly minded then Stark. In this scenario. He also holds the above noted home field advantage.

Just enough fire-power to shoot Robin and blast the Batmobile, they'll be minimal collateral damage.

Still don't understand what you're going on about, really, IM wins here. Now, if it was Baleman, that dude is a ****ing ninja.

Originally posted by Robtard
Well, if this is Clooney-Bat, then it's safe to say he has one of these for himself and Robin-boy in the ole Batcave.

http://www.made-in-china.com/image/2f0j00TCatlGEsjikQM/Sex-Massage-Chair-SF-007-.jpg

LOLZ

Originally posted by Placidity
Tony Stark is wealthier than Bruce Wayne.

Also Stark doesn't need to buy nukes, he probably makes them at home lol.

No way, Dc currency is worth way more than Marvel currency.

LOLZ Well, just more money for Alfred via the will, when Stark is done with him then.

Why does the thread say Ironman (Tony Stark) Batman (Bruce Wayne)? Do we like not know who IM or BM are?

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
No way, Dc currency is worth way more than Marvel currency. And Wayne's never lost his business and actually bought Lex Luthors right out from under him.


I don't know/care about Anthology Batman, but Christian Bale and Adam West have a chance.

Originally posted by Nightstick
Batman is also far more combat and tacticaly minded then Stark. I haven't seen evidence that confirms this. Stark is pretty tactically minded to have to build his various armors. He's far smarter, stronger, faster, and more durable than Bat-family. His equipment is better as well. J.A.R.V.I.S., Jericho missiles, influence in USAF(Rhodey). His damn house is more impressive than Bruce's Batcave in any of the films.

If you added Nolan's Batman to this you MIGHT make it interesting. The only advantage I see Batman having is if the fight goes in the sea. Stark has yet to show us a Deep-Sea Diving Armor or if his suit can go submerged. But I think one shot with a repulsor to any Bat-member and they're dead. Batmobile's gone b/c of the anti-tank missile the size of a freakin sharpie. Airborne Bats is out the game for the simple fact that Stark encountered two F-22 Raptors and wasn't even fighting them. He was trying to avoid them. F-22>>>Batman's aircraft shown in '89/'95.

Homecourt advantage? Don't see how that helps when Iron Man fly's you off the Earth.

Originally posted by Nightstick
Its a good thing then that Batman can do more then a ton of damage with his fists alone
Wait...wut?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I haven't seen evidence that confirms this. Stark is pretty tactically minded to have to build his various armors. He's far smarter, stronger, faster, and more durable than Bat-family. His equipment is better as well. J.A.R.V.I.S., Jericho missiles, influence in USAF(Rhodey). His damn house is more impressive than Bruce's Batcave in any of the films.


Yes Stark builds weapons, but chances are the military says we need weapons that do this or that and Stark builds them weapons that do this or that. As for him being smarter, not only does Batman have tech that is close to on par with Iron-man, but he has also studied in a multitude of other areas. Random holo-touch screens aside, what does Iron-man have that is so much more impressive in his house then the Batcave.

Originally posted by Darth Martin

If you added Nolan's Batman to this you MIGHT make it interesting. The only advantage I see Batman having is if the fight goes in the sea. Stark has yet to show us a Deep-Sea Diving Armor or if his suit can go submerged. But I think one shot with a repulsor to any Bat-member and they're dead. Batmobile's gone b/c of the anti-tank missile the size of a freakin sharpie. Airborne Bats is out the game for the simple fact that Stark encountered two F-22 Raptors and wasn't even fighting them. He was trying to avoid them. F-22>>>Batman's aircraft shown in '89/'95.


I'm sorry. What in the blooming hell is Baleman going to add he is less experienced, doesn't have the tech or toys, is weaker, slower, less well armored, not as rounded a fighter etc etc. Anthology Robin would make Baleman his b*tch. Heck BatGirl could probably do the same. I'd question whether a single repulsor shot'd take Batman out after all the damage we have seen him incure. Not to mention that his bullet timing reflexes would make him hard to hit.

Originally posted by Darth Martin

Homecourt advantage? Don't see how that helps when Iron Man fly's you off the Earth.

How is Iron-Man going to fly them off the Earth when they are busting him up on the way up. Remember Batman and Robin can reach almost the same alttitude as Iron-Man and climb agains the g-forces produced by an ascending rocket. It'd be a well placed grapple shot and a nice climb. Then tearing knocking, and cutting out peices of Tony's suit. Remember even minor damage'd knock Stark out at high alttitudes.

Originally posted by Nightstick
Yes Stark builds weapons, but chances are the military says we need weapons that do this or that and Stark builds them weapons that do this or that. As for him being smarter, not only does Batman have tech that is close to on par with Iron-man, but he has also studied in a multitude of other areas. Random holo-touch screens aside, what does Iron-man have that is so much more impressive in his house then the Batcave.

So your logic is that Tony is not origional, but that if the government said "hey tony build us a matter transporter" he could do it but it makes him less of a genius. I disagree. And not one single thing batman has used is on par with iron man. None of batmans devices kill and he relies mostly on his fighting skill. Since not one thing batman has could do damage to Iron man Batman is going down.

Originally posted by omgchos
So your logic is that Tony is not origional, but that if the government said "hey tony build us a matter transporter" he could do it but it makes him less of a genius. I disagree.


It doesn't mean he isn't a genius, but it does mean he doesn't have to be tacticaly minded. Which was the subject of my response.

Originally posted by omgchos
And not one single thing batman has used is on par with iron man. None of batmans devices kill and he relies mostly on his fighting skill. Since not one thing batman has could do damage to Iron man Batman is going down.

Firstly I said close to on par. Secondly, missiles, machine guns, and bombs all kill.

As for damagin Iron-Man, their is a good chance Batman could do so with solid punches.

Originally posted by Nightstick
It doesn't mean he isn't a genius, but it does mean he doesn't have to be tacticaly minded. Which was the subject of my response.



Firstly I said close to on par. Secondly, missiles, machine guns, and bombs all kill.

As for damagin Iron-Man, their is a good chance Batman could do so with solid punches.
Wow, wow and wow again. After being hit with a tank shell iron man plumited into a building and all that had happend was his suit got burned a bit. A solid punch would do nothing. And Batman had none of the things you just mentioned. Iron man however did. So how is that even close to on par. You do realize that on par means almost the same as. And the subject of your response was that batman is smarter which he is not.

Originally posted by Nightstick
The PSI required to bend even low grade steel is 3,600psi or almost 2 tons of force. Batman was denting, bending, and knocking out the floor armor of the Batmobile with his fists. Which given that it was high grade armor should be tougher then low grade steel. Not to mention Batman was hitting from an awkward sitting position. In other words he probably can actualy hit with more then 2 tons of force, but it stands as a good base line. Weakend Iron-Man on the other hand was lifting around 3-4 tons. Though he was weakend this level of strenght still seemed to be a threat to him and Iron-Monger who was struggling against him. The short version is Batman may be able to generate enough force with his fists to effect Iron-Mans armor.
Originally posted by omgchos
Wow, wow and wow again. After being hit with a tank shell iron man plumited into a building and all that had happend was his suit got burned a bit. A solid punch would do nothing.

Originally posted by omgchos
Wow, wow and wow again. After being hit with a tank shell iron man plumited into a building and all that had happend was his suit got burned a bit. A solid punch would do nothing. And Batman had none of the things you just mentioned. Iron man however did. So how is that even close to on par. You do realize that on par means almost the same as. And the subject of your response was that batman is smarter which he is not.

I am begining to think that you not only lack basic reading abilities, but have never seen the Batman movies.

Hoping you do though go back and read the quoted area I was responding to it was talking about Stark abilities in tactical areas. It's basic premise was that because he builds weapons. He must be a tactician. Which is obviously not a nessacity.

You can stop with the condecending prattle. I know what on par means. Its one of those things you can learn from reading, Which you seem to lack the ability to do. Well were at it you do know that close to indicates that it is not the same as. Right?

Considering that a car crash slowed Iron-Monger in a deleted scene and that the blows Iron-Man and Iron-Monger effected each other. At a time when Iron-Man struggled to lift an SUV, means that yes Batman who can hit with 2000+psi has a shot at rattling him even in his suit.

By the way. You might want to go back and watch the Batman movies, both the Batmobile and the Batwing had machineguns and the Batwing had rockets/missiles and the Batmobile could deploy bombs.

Originally posted by Nightstick
I am begining to think that you not only lack basic reading abilities, but have never seen the Batman movies.

Hoping you do though go back and read the quoted area I was responding to it was talking about Stark abilities in tactical areas. It's basic premise was that because he builds weapons. He must be a tactician. Which is obviously not a nessacity.

You can stop with the condecending prattle. I know what on par means. Its one of those things you can learn from reading, Which you seem to lack the ability to do. Well were at it you do know that close to indicates that it is not the same as. Right?

Considering that a car crash slowed Iron-Monger in a deleted scene and that the blows Iron-Man and Iron-Monger effected each other. At a time when Iron-Man struggled to lift an SUV, means that yes Batman who can hit with 2000+psi has a shot at rattling him even in his suit.

By the way. You might want to go back and watch the Batman movies, both the Batmobile and the Batwing had machineguns and the Batwing had rockets/missiles and the Batmobile could deploy bombs.
My question is that if hes gonna punch iron man is going to leap out of his batwing before it gets blown up by the tank buster iron man uses and then punch him only to break his hand? See what you did there you said hed be able to punch iron man to death and you say i need to watch them again.
And you keep changing the subject too. You said batman is on par with one of the most advanced pieces of technology ever made. A suit which withstood a tank blast and a missle blast and gunfire, etc. Whereas batman wore some bullet proof armor and used ripcords to get around. I mean his batwing was brought down by an overly large magnum that the joker had. None of the things he ever did were at all on par with iron man. Never did batman punch through anything close to iron man's armor. Batman would be crushed like a bug if he tried to pick up an SUV. Do you even hear what you are saying. Batman cannot punch with 1 ton over every square inch that he hits. Thats saying that he punches with the force of a small car, which is complete nonsence and you know it.

Originally posted by omgchos
My question is that if hes gonna punch iron man is going to leap out of his batwing before it gets blown up by the tank buster iron man uses and then punch him only to break his hand? See what you did there you said hed be able to punch iron man to death and you say i need to watch them again.


You need to watch them again because you seemed to have missed all the parts with bombs, rockets, and guns.

Originally posted by omgchos
And you keep changing the subject too. You said batman is on par with one of the most advanced pieces of technology ever made. A suit which withstood a tank blast and a missle blast and gunfire, etc. Whereas batman wore some bullet proof armor and used ripcords to get around. I mean his batwing was brought down by an overly large magnum that the joker had. None of the things he ever did were at all on par with iron man. Never did batman punch through anything close to iron man's armor. Batman would be crushed like a bug if he tried to pick up an SUV. Do you even hear what you are saying. Batman cannot punch with 1 ton over every square inch that he hits. Thats saying that he punches with the force of a small car, which is complete nonsence and you know it.

May be its tough for you, but we are discussing more then one subject at a time. If that's to complicated let me know.

Again reading my posts is important for debate purposes. For about the 5th time I said close to on par. While the Batmobile is larger and lacks flight capabilities. It has many of the same capabilites as Iron-Man's suit. It is as heavly armored as a tank, armed to the teeth, has an onboard computer, and can still out race the fastest cars. Given its speed and durability it is leaps and bounds more advanced then any real world combat system. Is it as advanced as Iron-Man's suit. No, but I never said they were straight across the board equal.

I have to ask you do realise the Batman films are comic book movies right? With freeze rays and having nine lives and the like. So why then is it so hard for you take Batman hitting with multi-ton force. Lets go over this again he punched threw the armor plating of the Batmobile denting, bending, and finaly breaking threw it from an awkward sitting position. According to the rep I talked to at steel distributor it requires around 3,600psi to bend low grade steel. Though I doubt that the Batmobiles armor is made out of low grade steel.

Originally posted by Nightstick
You need to watch them again because you seemed to have missed all the parts with bombs, rockets, and guns.



May be its tough for you, but we are discussing more then one subject at a time. If that's to complicated let me know.

Again reading my posts is important for debate purposes. For about the 5th time I said close to on par. While the Batmobile is larger and lacks flight capabilities. It has many of the same capabilites as Iron-Man's suit. It is as heavly armored as a tank, armed to the teeth, has an onboard computer, and can still out race the fastest cars. Given its speed and durability it is leaps and bounds more advanced then any real world combat system. Is it as advanced as Iron-Man's suit. No, but I never said they were straight across the board equal.

I have to ask you do realise the Batman films are comic book movies right? With freeze rays and having nine lives and the like. So why then is it so hard for you take Batman hitting with multi-ton force. Lets go over this again he punched threw the armor plating of the Batmobile denting, bending, and finaly breaking threw it from an awkward sitting position. According to the rep I talked to at steel distributor it requires around 3,600psi to bend low grade steel. Though I doubt that the Batmobiles armor is made out of low grade steel.
You may as well have not quoted me, i mean you didn't even respond or pay attention to what i said. Stark blew up a tank with ease so no matter what the bat mobile is made out if it doesn't matter. Batman punched through the bottom to remove a bomb btw. Never was it shown in the movies that the bottom of his batmobile was made of high grade steel. And if thats all you have in the way of strength feats then please stop now. And no matter what the movie is based off of, saying it does not make him any stonger. Again you have failed miserably to make a point. Near on par implies that he can almost lift an SUV, that he can almost survive being hit directly with a tank shell, etc. If you believe this than you need a reality check.

Originally posted by omgchos
You may as well have not quoted me, i mean you didn't even respond or pay attention to what i said. Stark blew up a tank with ease so no matter what the bat mobile is made out if it doesn't matter. Batman punched through the bottom to remove a bomb btw. Never was it shown in the movies that the bottom of his batmobile was made of high grade steel. And if thats all you have in the way of strength feats then please stop now. And no matter what the movie is based off of, saying it does not make him any stonger. Again you have failed miserably to make a point. Near on par implies that he can almost lift an SUV, that he can almost survive being hit directly with a tank shell, etc. If you believe this than you need a reality check.

The Batmobile survived an entire plant blowing up around it. It also flipped cars and trucks over, i'm pretty certain with the right rig it could lift an SUV. Are you seriously suggesting that Batman didn't armor the bottom of the Batmobile? It didn't seem to be made of anything ifferent then the rest of the car. Or maybe you are suggesting Batman used something weaker then low grade steel to armor the Batmobile? THink about it neither option is likely and you know it. Frankly its all I need in the way of strength feats, but he can also knock people back 10 or so feet with a blow and headbutt threw aircraft glass, casualy hoist people into the air etc. However while you seemed to have missed that Batman gets his enitre arsenal and are simply thinking of him in his suit throwing down with Iron-Man. I am considering his vehicles as well, So yes the Batmobile has a shot at surviving a tank round and it could lift an SUV.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why does the thread say Ironman (Tony Stark) Batman (Bruce Wayne)? Do we like not know who IM or BM are?

Well Batman is currently.....Robin.... believe it or not. *See comics forum*

And other people have used Stark's suit.
(The suit even gained sentience once too.)

Just to keep fanboys from getting EUey I guess.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Why does the thread say Ironman (Tony Stark) Batman (Bruce Wayne)? Do we like not know who IM or BM are?

Because this match is 2 fold Batman vs Iron-Man on the streets(if you will) and Bruce vs Tony in the buisness/corprate sector.

I just caught that. Lame.

Don't worry this thread is obvious spite. In the thread starters opinion batman is gonna punch through iron man's armor while flying in his rocket packing batwing.

Stark also charmed that one reporter into bed after she was obviously disgusted with him.

xbmrr14EkIE

Start watching at 2:34. He clearly punches through something other than steel. If it was steel it would not have shattered and broken off a piece. Only metal that has been cooled with liquid nitrogen does that. Other wise it would have ripped and bent. So my point stands, he can not punch through iron mans armor.

Originally posted by omgchos
Don't worry this thread is obvious spite. In the thread starters opinion batman is gonna punch through iron man's armor while flying in his rocket packing batwing.

Even if that were actually what I said and its not. Are creators of threads not allowed to have opinions?

Originally posted by omgchos
xbmrr14EkIE

Start watching at 2:34. He clearly punches through something other than steel. If it was steel it would not have shattered and broken off a piece. Only metal that has been cooled with liquid nitrogen does that. Other wise it would have ripped and bent. So my point stands, he can not punch through iron mans armor.

So your of the opinion that the Batmobile armor is weaker then low grade steel?

It doesn't matter what my opinion is. Whatever he punched through was not armor. It broke as if it was some very thin plywood. And not only did it break a big chunk came off. Any armor worth its salt has tensile strength. Which means it doesnt break off in chunks, it rips or bends when enough force is applied. Go find some sheet metal and hit it with a sledge hammer. It will never ever break a chunk off. It bends or tears it doesn't shatter. So to cap off this post, Iron mans armor being able to withstand a tank shell is much to strong for the mere mortal batman to punch through.

Originally posted by omgchos
It doesn't matter what my opinion is. Whatever he punched through was not armor. It broke as if it was some very thin plywood. And not only did it break a big chunk came off. Any armor worth its salt has tensile strength. Which means it doesnt break off in chunks, it rips or bends when enough force is applied. Go find some sheet metal and hit it with a sledge hammer. It will never ever break a chunk off. It bends or tears it doesn't shatter. So to cap off this post, Iron mans armor being able to withstand a tank shell is much to strong for the mere mortal batman to punch through.

So just so that we are clear you are saying the Batmobile that survived massive explosion, gun fire, car wrecks etc is made of a substance weaker then low grade steel. Not only is this ridiculas by it very nature, but flies in the face of the evidence in the film(s). Such as the above decribed durability feats.

By your logic we could just as easily claim that the tank shell was made of rubber or generated by a computer? See the problem with this line of reasoning?

Originally posted by Nightstick
So just so that we are clear you are saying the Batmobile that survived massive explosion, gun fire, car wrecks etc is made of a substance weaker then low grade steel. Not only is this ridiculas by it very nature, but flies in the face of the evidence in the film(s). Such as the above decribed durability feats.

By your logic we could just as easily claim that the tank shell was made of rubber or generated by a computer? See the problem with this line of reasoning?
Ok look mr. "i know the movies so well my logic must be right". Why is it that when he leaves the car he has to push a button and activate the armor if its so indestructible in the first place. Because if he doesn't put on the armor its as weak as a regular car. And not once has the batmobile survived an explosion. It has always managed to avoid them. I don't understand why you are so dead set against admitting that batman can in no way punch through iron man's armor. You have only one instance where batman punched through anything and it was the undercarriage of a car. In none of the movies was the bottom of the car shown to be armored. Unless the car is stationary and he presses the magic armor button. Which in this instance armor wasn't even present. And that whole condescending attitude thing does not make your argument any more valid.

And that last part about the tank shell is so irrelavent that it doesn't deserve a response.

Originally posted by omgchos
Ok look mr. "i know the movies so well my logic must be right". Why is it that when he leaves the car he has to push a button and activate the armor if its so indestructible in the first place. Because if he doesn't put on the armor its as weak as a regular car. And not once has the batmobile survived an explosion. It has always managed to avoid them. I don't understand why you are so dead set against admitting that batman can in no way punch through iron man's armor. You have only one instance where batman punched through anything and it was the undercarriage of a car. In none of the movies was the bottom of the car shown to be armored. Unless the car is stationary and he presses the magic armor button. Which in this instance armor wasn't even present. And that whole condescending attitude thing does not make your argument any more valid.

And that last part about the tank shell is so irrelavent that it doesn't deserve a response.

Look back at the video you yourself posted. The Batmobile crashed threw a dozen cars with no damage, no denting, I don't think it was even scratched. So it is obviously armored more then your average car. In other words just because he has extra armor when he is not on site. Doesn't mean the car isn't armored already.

Lets look at some other videos

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyxv9qcJluY

Yes this is a different model Batmobile, but it the same tech base and even when a bag of grenades go off inside it. The exterior while damaged still survives. The their are scenes in this clip where the Batmobile drives threw an exploding chemical plant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UneXTUhsjyY

Please excuse the non-Batman parts it was the only video I could find with the needed clips.

Let me close by asking again do you think the Batmobile is weaker then low grade steel?