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ok this is middle earth with all its occupants in history vs current america. america has warning of the attack as does middle earth. middle earth is joined to america at the end of mexico by land. america can use all but nukes. middle earth has morgoth/all the dragons/ballrogs/sauron with the one ring/all elves in history including feanor/all humans and numenoreans/all wizards/all dwarves/orcs/eagles and other servants of both dark lords etc. tom bombadil however is not present nor are any of the valar or other maier which werent on middle earth.

who wins?

Morgoth soloes.


Even with Nukes, Morgoth would destroy America easily.

Originally posted by King-Fingolfin
Morgoth soloes.


Even with Nukes, Morgoth would destroy America easily.
Agreed, Melkor solos.

no, MELKOR is not available here. only the weakened "morgoth" is and granted, that he was stronger than sauron and company, he still wasnt that special with grond, being blinded by eagles and hurt by fingolfin etc.

hm.

Well, to be fair, Beings in the 1st Age were extremely powerful, Fingolfin being the physically strongest Elf.

Eh, without Melkor, I would say the deciding beings would be the Dragons, since they themselves almost drove back the Valar's army.

If the Army of the Dead is in this, they also solo. =)

Question: Which version of 1st age Dragons is actually canon? There is a scene... somewhere... in which Morgoth makes machines that can carry several Orcs that look like lizards. Other machines were designed to crawl and take out walls. Some flew and shot fire. Maybe an early draft of the fall of Gondolin?



Those Dragons would be kickass.

Middle earth destroys America, what are guns gonna do against TRILLIONS OF ORCS AND hundreds OF FIRE WIELDING BALROGS?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?! Glaurung would just crawl around and destroy everything, Morgoth with Grond gets shot and it just bounces off, but YES there WERE Maia on Middle Earth, AND the Valar were there to, as they were still within the circles of the world. But Morgoth soloes and destroys eveything in sight. Plus, ooooooh, bombers against TRILLIONS of orcs, AND Feanor and Fingolfin, ooooh Enough said, Middle Earth wins.

This is all dependent on how powerful Morgoth is...can he be harmed by our weaponry. However, since he got defeated by sword wielding dudes, I'd say that we could probably take him down.

Numbers might be a big issue though.

Yeah, but Morgoth could have improved his armor by then, he takes out some tanks without getting hurt, uses their armor. And i think around say 1.5 million or so vs over 3 trillion, i would bet on the trillions. And dont forget, Balrogs and bullets, the bullets would most likely bounce off. They have like, rock skin or something i forgot. Think hide i know that. And it was generally only Maiar or very strong elves that had been to Valinor that kileld a Balrog, not men, or younger elves, or any of the Deserters.

Well:

Numbers might be a big issue, but probably only in the billions, NOT in the trillions

This is Middle Earth, NOT all of LOTR, so no Valor or Eru

Balrogs will obviously be quite powerful but I'm still pretty sure that gunpowder can kill them.

Same with Dragons, they won't be that much of a threat.

Still, I'm not sure who will win, thanks to Morgoth being here and the huge number advantage.

Aircraft, Tanks, Artillery, Landmines, Automatic Firearms & Nuclear Weapons vs Swords, Armor, Balrog and Morgoth and Magic - good match. Ground war goes to Earth due to technological superiority. Air war goes to Earth due to the fact that a Dragon can't achieve faster than sound and Dragons do not have missiles. Bullets penetrate armor and landmines blow off legs. Sorry, but Earth wins ground war leaving Balrogs, Morgoth and Magic. Not giving an opinion there.

How do u know that Morgoth or some1 hadnt developed magic to stop arrows, which might work on bullets, and it said EVERY inhabitant of Middle Earth in history, i think the orcs would become trillions, as Morgoth had billions by the War of Wrath, as Anfauglith (HUGE plain like, 100000 miles or more) Couldnt hold them all, and there were at least a thousand balrogs. Earth cant produce that many mines and tanks and bombs fast enuf to kill them all. Then they have to deploy them, and blah blah.

Wow, this thread brings back unpleasant memories... *shudders*




I have doubts at our abilities to kill gods whose feuds sink continents. The orcs and elves and mortals are no sweat--nuke 'em, shoot 'em, blow 'em up. But if the gods can survive such things, we're toast.

True, so very true..... orcs are nothing, but an argument of the Valar can sink Beleriand after 1 big battle, and i dont think America can win if its under the oceans surface, where Ulmo can still attack it........

Logistics anyone? How will they provide food/supplies for the trillions of orcs and free species?

Originally posted by Incanus
True, so very true..... orcs are nothing, but an argument of the Valar can sink Beleriand after 1 big battle, and i dont think America can win if its under the oceans surface, where Ulmo can still attack it........

Dude the OP said that the Valar except for Morgoth aren't allowed.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Logistics anyone? How will they provide food/supplies for the trillions of orcs and free species? How did they in Arda? Orcs have no problem. Eat anything they kill and eat their own dead. Elves apparently don't need much. And Men can blend in with us and shop at the local Wal-Mart.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
How did they in Arda? Orcs have no problem. Eat anything they kill and eat their own dead. Elves apparently don't need much. And Men can blend in with us and shop at the local Wal-Mart.

Orcs still have to eat, and since there are so few of us (compared to them) and they won't be able to kill lots of us then they'll starve.

Elves still have to eat.

Men in those times look different (sort of), and they'll need money.

Without Morgoth/Sauron/anysupernaturals then we win, but WITH them then I'm not so sure...

Uh, ur forgetting one thing, bullets and artillery will kill orcs in thousands most likely, so we would be giving them a whole lot of food, and elves can eat lembas, men can take money off the human dead ppl so..............

Said it in the old thread...Will say it in this one...Army of the dead for the win.

Originally posted by jaden101
Said it in the old thread...Will say it in this one...Army of the dead for the win.
And I will say it now... Army of the Dead can't even attack.

Originally posted by ares834
And I will say it now... Army of the Dead can't even attack.

Why?

In the book they did not do their whole 'rox hax' thing at Pellenor. They helped scare away the Corsairs and then Aragorn loaded up a bunch of Rangers (who happened to be nearby) and rescued Minas Tirith with human assistance.

Originally posted by Incanus
Uh, ur forgetting one thing, bullets and artillery will kill orcs in thousands most likely, so we would be giving them a whole lot of food, and elves can eat lembas, men can take money off the human dead ppl so..............

Um...what?

I'm assuming that you mean that the alive orcs will eat the dead orcs, but we would've either only killed a few thousand (therefore making the few thousand corpses not enough for the trillions, who will fight eachother over it and kill eachother), or we've killed so many/>half of them so that the few still alive can eat the corpses (in which case if we've killed that many than we're already winning the war). In other words, it's a win/win for us.

Do you seriously think that they're enough lembas to feat trillions (well, there aren't as many elves, so billions) of elves?

"human dead"? They can't take money off of their dead comrades because their dead comrades won't have money, and we could just evacuate our citizens and order our soldiers to not carry cash around. And plus there's the same problems as with the orcs eating orcs.

yeah, ur actually right, but what about trolls that eat our corpses with the orcs, eat the orcs, or maybe even Morgoth can keep them from killing each other over it, we dont know that good. But the money thing, the men and elves could just rob ur local wallmart forsome rifles, PLUS you are forgetting the ONE aspect of technological warfare that is from different "ages", we know how to use swords, and they will learn how to use guns eventually, by accident or experimentation, they would learn. maybe not tanks, but guns yes, and i would HATE to have a elf with a gun aim at me, wouldnt you?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Um...what?

I'm assuming that you mean that the alive orcs will eat the dead orcs, but we would've either only killed a few thousand (therefore making the few thousand corpses not enough for the trillions, who will fight eachother over it and kill eachother), or we've killed so many/>half of them so that the few still alive can eat the corpses (in which case if we've killed that many than we're already winning the war). In other words, it's a win/win for us.

Do you seriously think that they're enough lembas to feat trillions (well, there aren't as many elves, so billions) of elves?

"human dead"? They can't take money off of their dead comrades because their dead comrades won't have money, and we could just evacuate our citizens and order our soldiers to not carry cash around. And plus there's the same problems as with the orcs eating orcs. Lol, logistics aside, we still win.

And if not (somehow...) I think we'll be killing more than a "few thousand" of them. Few billion more like. Hundred billion.

Wait, what about the balrogs? imagine them packing 50 cal. mgs, with tanks armor on. What you gonna do about that, or the guys that REANIMATE CORPSES????

Balrogs and Dragons won't be of that much of a concern either. It's Morgoth that's the problem.

Heheheh, Morgoth uses tanks for armor....... Grond crushes them then he ties them over his armor, casts morgul(dark sorcery) at us, that crap

Did you just make that "morgul" thing up? I swear I've never heard that word in Tolkien used as a form of magic.

No, morgul is elvish for dark sorcery. i used it in a different form, because in the movies its "morgul sorcery" which is saying dark sorcery sorcery. Mor means dark, as in Morgoth (dark enemy) and gul means sorcery, which only example i can think of is Minas Morgul a.k.a. Minas Ithil, the Tower of the Sun i think it is, but yes it is a word.

What do you know, it is. I need to read the Silmarillion again, it`s been years.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Balrogs and Dragons won't be of that much of a concern either. It's Morgoth that's the problem.
I don't know... Ancalagon will be a problem even with all our current tech.

Lol Ancalagon being chased by missles. He could take it.

Originally posted by ares834
I don't know... Ancalagon will be a problem even with all our current tech.

You mean the same us that can win if the Empire invaded modern day Earth?

The Empire would pwn us............. TIE fighters agains an X-02 Wyvern, and SU-37 Terminator, lol. M16s against a lightsaber and blasters. Plasteel agains kevlar. Empire wins.

Originally posted by Incanus
The Empire would pwn us............. TIE fighters agains an X-02 Wyvern, and SU-37 Terminator, lol. M16s against a lightsaber and blasters. Plasteel agains kevlar. Empire wins.
Please don't bring this up again...

Originally posted by Incanus
Lol Ancalagon being chased by missles. He could take it.
That he could. AFter all he was so big he destoyed a mountain in his fall and supposebly blocked out the entire sun.

Originally posted by Incanus
The Empire would pwn us............. TIE fighters agains an X-02 Wyvern, and SU-37 Terminator, lol. M16s against a lightsaber and blasters. Plasteel agains kevlar. Empire wins.

I was referring to the thread I made in Star Wars vs. forum (which wasn't the ENTIRE Empire, just an invasion force).



Anyway, I don't know who'll win, but we pwn if they don't get help from above.

Yes Ancalagon DID block out the sun, and BROKE THE TOWERS OF THANGORODRIM!!!! Imagin that guy hitting, say Neew York, or where we evac our citezens to. Oh, and btw, Thangorodrim was a mountain that was ment to keep the Valar and their army out, so it was huge, like, probably 15 times the size of Mt Everest, and it was ment to never come down. Melkor, at his full power, reared them. I think that is not a good sign that that would happen when we kill Ancalagon. Wait, let me rephrase that, IF we killed him, before we all became marshmallows.

With the war tech. we have right now they wouldn"t stand a chance .
The military has bombs that break apart and scatter molten copper over large areas , not to mention the M1A1,s Apaches ,Hughes, air Support Machine guns ,Naval artillery , and land Artilery that can hit within 3 yards of its target As much as i love Tolkiens world America would win (I am Not Patriotic )

They still have missiles that could take out thousands at once. Not to mention chemical and biological weapons that could wipe out millions over time.

I thought The US banned chemical warfare in the US ?
But Flamethrowers are still availible since theyd be new to Middle Earth
They wouldnt know where to hit and the flames would stop most orcs/men /or elves

Guys, Glaurnung, Ancalagon, Balrogs, morgoth etc.



read the earlier arguments and you might change your mind. Millions/Billions of orcs, dude.

if the invasion comes by sea america would win by land would be difficult but if america could last several years theyd figure out how to kill morgoth, sauron , the dragons ect but with heavy losses
and to compare it as all in the history of middle earth really isnt that fair lol

and the US air force would be able to counter dragons as there arent as many dragons as supersonic jets availible and ainti aircraft. snipers bould be able to kill trolls at longe range if they shotem in the eye/ throat /mouth ,and automatic weaopons like the M2 browning ,M60, and M16 would do well against the hoards of orcs

Even with all of our technology, the sheer weight of numbers, and the psychological powers of Sauron and the Istari... Even Feanor. Every single Orc, Elf, and Man... Dragons, Balrogs...

I wonder how long it would take for them to use their magic on, and assimilate our weaponry/technology.

I still think Air support would play a major part since most of their weapons would be utterly ineffective

No they wouldnt, as Ancalagon crushed a mountain bigger than Mount Everest when he died =-p He could take a missile if it took Earendil, and sword made in AMAN,(therefore one of a maiar or elf, obviously enchanted) and a guy that corrupted a planet before it was created, I think USA would lose, dude, not even a W1200, Dragunov, M4, or anything except a Barett 50 cal. could take out a troll, or a tank round. Armor piercing, maybe, but nothing else as far as I can think. Especially with how thick their armor is.

well i do agree that several units would be a challenge , but about trolls their skin isnt as thick as your saying , yes their armor is strong but its not everywhere .the fellowship was able to kill a cave troll with arrows and swords so a high velocity sniper round in the right place should kill them rather easily .
and yes Ancalagon would probably be a winning factor but army on army with no gods/ demigods US would win include those and Middle earth would win .

Orcs get pwned.

Men get pwned.

Elves get pwned.

Trolls get pwned.

Dragons are a threat, but we could take them.

Balrogs are a threat, but we could take them.

Sauron is just one guy, we could take him.

Morgoth...I'm not so sure. He's the real threat here.

i agree but sauron morgoth and the demigods would be a huge problem

Morgoth is a shitty god. We take him with just one gun.

true and amazingly enough scientists are predicting that thell have invisibilty sheeting for tanks in 1-6 years

gwah WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA????????????





Where did you hear that? TELL ME NOW!!!!! And guys, dragons are REALYL BIG, BREATHE FIRE, and are uber...... And it was Legolas, with a Mirkwood bow, point blank range, and in the mouth, that he shot the troll. Oh, and in Moria there was no troll that stabbed Frodo

Multiple sources , search the web and youll get around 10 links we're pretty damn close but not yet there there are several versions one has been featured in "Get Smart's Bruce and Loyd out of control"its real but not as real as they depict it as . It deflects light at certain angles and isnt see through from the inside out . but USA is working on meta materiel thats bends it through magnetic waves, raido waves ect. (im most likely wrong throughout that post but its what i know maybe not whats true )

BTW the mounties will help us out America doesnt mean USA ,

Originally posted by Morgromir
BTW the mounties will help us out America doesnt mean USA , Shit, I hadn't realized that. Mounties solo in that case. Have you seen their tasers? It only took four of them to take down an unarmed Polish immigrant. Those dragons don't stand a chance.

thanks mr sarcastic , im also referreing to the canadian military which is better than most ppl think

Yup.

First of all, even though it's a joke, it is disrespectful to disrespect the awesome Canadians. Second of all, in that picture at least they still have guns and ride on bikes. Middle Earth dudes used swords and walked (mostly).

Since I am Canadian, I'll make fun of us however much I want.


Eh?

Still they be good defensive troops (id also like to add that an M1A1Abrams has yet to be destroyed in battle )

Originally posted by Morgromir
Still they be good defensive troops (id also like to add that an M1A1Abrams has yet to be destroyed in battle ) Abrams are invincible.

Specially when you read the non-existent disable and damaged section.

I have to admit that theyve been damaged , and that your avatars creeping me out a little

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Shit, I hadn't realized that. Mounties solo in that case. Have you seen their tasers? It only took four of them to take down an unarmed Polish immigrant. Those dragons don't stand a chance.
SO MUCH WIN!

But srsly Canada doesn't really need a military, we have the rest of the world to protect us lulz.

Also America wins with a swarm of long range snipers, infantry, B-2 spirit bomber, mudkipz, Chuck Norris, SPARTAN117, and the awsome power of the almighty über god Barrack Obama.

IF the mages are all teleporting behind the soldiers or whatever or can control minds. Or have super awsome laser fingers. They win.

Dragons won't count for anything, unless their hides and bones are impenetrable to even armor piercing rounds.


Why am I even replying to this thread? lol

I don't think we have any Spartans at the moment to our advantage otherwise we would have 1 person in Iraq

Originally posted by Demestrem


Why am I even replying to this thread? lol
because you have to

Originally posted by Incanus
No they wouldnt, as Ancalagon crushed a mountain bigger than Mount Everest when he died =-p He could take a missile if it took Earendil, and sword made in AMAN,(therefore one of a maiar or elf, obviously enchanted) and a guy that corrupted a planet before it was created, I think USA would lose, dude, not even a W1200, Dragunov, M4, or anything except a Barett 50 cal. could take out a troll, or a tank round. Armor piercing, maybe, but nothing else as far as I can think. Especially with how thick their armor is.

Dude missiles and tank rounds and bullets aimed in the right places can and will take out trolls. In fact, trolls will get pwned quite easily. And I don't think that Ancalagon literally blocked out the sun in the sense that he was big enough to stand in front of the sun and block it out from everyone...and your hand can block out the sun you know that?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Dude missiles and tank rounds and bullets aimed in the right places can and will take out trolls. In fact, trolls will get pwned quite easily. And I don't think that Ancalagon literally blocked out the sun in the sense that he was big enough to stand in front of the sun and block it out from everyone...and your hand can block out the sun you know that?
that was a burn
and wouldnt a sniper round in the neck be able to take out a troll ?

An arrow in the back of the throat killed a troll, a .50 cal to the skull will do something very, very similar.

My 'Revan' to the back of the throat killed a troll.




Guize! Think about this: ten machine guns would've turned the battle of Helm's Deep into a rout.

You know what else would have turned Helm's Deep in to a rout? Aragorn not giving the order to charge in to a butt-load of spears and Uruks when his elven archer had plenty of arrows left.

LOL
btw your avatars still creeping me out <.< >.> -.-

Originally posted by Morgromir
LOL
btw your avatars still creeping me out <.< >.> -.- That's the point, you have to choose.


Wait...

its like a pot loaded mario o.O

if he didnt order a charge they wouldve swarmed and surrounded them

Duh. But that first volley Aragorn ordered fired took down every Uruk who was rushing the gap. Fire the rest of the f*ckin' arrows! I just watched Troy again, and the Trojans do the same thing. Instead of firing as soon as the Greeks come in to range, they wait until their own infantry is already engaged--it's foolish. Now FotR's depiction of the Last Alliance was perfect. Fire as many arrows as you can, even at point blank range, before you're forced to engage in melee.

if he exhausted their arrows they would be almost useless ,and that was a set up plan with all of the arrows ready to fire at once yes they can fire really fast but theyd be overwhealmed sooner or later

I know, what I'm saying is to kill as many of the enemy as possible at a range before closing in for hand-to-hand. Aragorn didn't do that. He led a suicidal charge right in to a line of spears. If they're dead, they're even more useless.

he was probably saving them for later. another thing he couldve done differently he couldve inspected that damn drain in the wall.
ithink the best would be to keep some back and have the rest charge

Kind of useless to lead 150 Elves to their death just to save them for later... and I don't think they foresaw the Uruks employing pyrotechnics.

they were there to strike them when they arrived on the wall. they were also a volley force to attack behind cover

Originally posted by Morgromir
they were there to strike them when they arrived on the wall. they were also a volley force to attack behind cover Which is what they didn't do. If you had a quiver of arrows and a bow to fire them, wouldn't you want to kill as many of the enemy at a distance before you risk being hacked to pieces? Aragorn gave a dumb command there. Kill as many Uruk as possible with arrows, then move in and kill as many more with swords. It's a very simple concept.

actually it isnt if every battle was played out that way ,battle would be one big game and the archers are good but in that situation friendly fire would be common if they stayed back ,plus he had hardly any swordsman still standing
If he hadnt, they wouldve had time to get into formation , and simplely trample them into the ground if you remember there were 10s of thousands left they filled the entire valley aragorn and smoe archers wouldnt have been able to hold out for more than a few minutes and whats evenmore proof , is that in the books there were no elves legolas said he wished it so the movies made it come true

Originally posted by Morgromir
actually it isnt if every battle was played out that way ,battle would be one big game and the archers are good but in that situation friendly fire would be common if they stayed back ,plus he had hardly any swordsman still standing
If he hadnt, they wouldve had time to get into formation , and simplely trample them into the ground if you remember there were 10s of thousands left they filled the entire valley aragorn and smoe archers wouldnt have been able to hold out for more than a few minutes and whats evenmore proof , is that in the books there were no elves legolas said he wished it so the movies made it come true Ok, this is getting ridiculous.

More dead bad guys=fewer left to fight in melee. The fewer enemies left to fight, the longer one can survive to kill more enemies. As you pointed out, almost 10,000 Uruks. The less Uruks there are, the better. Get it?

The Elves were already in formation. They were standing back there, bows out, arrows ready. All it took was Aragorn's word, and they fired in to a crowd that contained nothing but Uruks (and Gimli face down in the mud). Every Uruk who had rushed in dropped to the ground with an arrow stuck in them. That is smart. No Elves were killed, and they were able to take down a score of Uruks. But instead of getting these master archers to fire again, thus killing more Uruks, Aragorn led a suicidal charge that led to the death of every single Lorian Elf. If Aragorn had just ordered them to fire off all their arrows and THEN charge after they were depleted, more Uruks would have been killed in the initial battle.

Seriously, what do you not understand about this horrendously simple concept?

rofl this is funny i keep on thinking why its hard for you ro see mine its hard for me to see yours both ways worked in ways were both right it varies from ppls perspective
back to middle earth VS USA seeing that the US military consists of more than 400,000all armend with auto weapons and heavy weapons

There was only one elf at the Battle of the Hornburg.

Originally posted by Morgromir
rofl this is funny i keep on thinking why its hard for you ro see mine its hard for me to see yours both ways worked in ways were both right it varies from ppls perspective
back to middle earth VS USA seeing that the US military consists of more than 400,000all armend with auto weapons and heavy weapons I'm legitimately confused as to how you think yours works.

same here ,im just saying that there werent any eles at helm deep ,and that the movie made him do that because its what ppl want to see (they dont expect anyone to have any expierience in strategy wheather from games or real life )
in the book he did that because he didnt have a couple hundred elves with him just yeomen that werent that fast for an archer and probably would be more useful gaurding the gap

False. There clearly were elves at helm's deep. Aragorn used them poorly. The movie illustrates this well.

If your contention is that there were no elves present in the Book (which I doubt, but could be the case) then you still have to admit that movie Aragorn used the elves poorly. And the point remains that more volleys > fewer volleys. So he would have wasted human archers too.

There were no elves at Helms Deep, and Eomer was fighting there to, Gimli wasnt tossed, or anything. Gimli jsut came out of the shadows "Khazad! Khazad ai menu! And there was a form coming form the rocks and a flash of steel, and the orcs fell to the ground dead." Gimli stayed back, no elves, and Erkenbrand of the Westfold came to the rescue with Gandalf, not Eomer.

main point is that there wer no elves and the movie wasnt strategic the archers couldve simply took out priority targets and cut their losses by a large percentage

Originally posted by Incanus
There were no elves at Helms Deep
Nope. There was an elf.

Originally posted by Morgromir
same here ,im just saying that there werent any eles at helm deep ,and that the movie made him do that because its what ppl want to see (they dont expect anyone to have any expierience in strategy wheather from games or real life )
in the book he did that because he didnt have a couple hundred elves with him just yeomen that werent that fast for an archer and probably would be more useful gaurding the gap ...right. What Red ^ said.

I haven't been arguing that there were Elves present at Helm's Deep in the novel---where and why you brought that up is beyond even my superhuman comprehension. Movie-Aragorn did a piss-poor job using the full potential of a brigade of Elven archers. No. Question. About it... seņor.

i agree but its just the usually movie cappy strategy

Guys, Aragorn was a pretty good tactician, and would know how to use elves in combat. There were no elves. There were no suicidal charges. There was no Haldir. There is no life. There is no death. There is the Force.

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There's cake. Everybody loves cake.

umm you messed it up a little...well alot theres more mumble jumble to it

The movies aren't supposed to be an in depth analysis about the tactical maneuvers neccessary to defend a fort from 10000 dudes through the use of badass elven archers that pwn everybody.

Back on topic, I will repeat the same thing again: the middle earth dudes that are NOT supernatural get pwned. The problems are Morgoth and the other uber godlike beings.

Originally posted by Morgromir
umm you messed it up a little...well alot theres more mumble jumble to it ...what?

Tom Bombadil solos.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
...what? incanus messed it up it goes ,
There is no emotion ;there is peace.
There is no ignorance;there is knowledge.
there is no passion;there is serenity.
there is no death;there is the force


lol Kings right Bombadil claps his hands and theres a global earthquake!

Ah. Though I assume it was intentional on his part, as there are no Orcs in Star Wars.

well maybe he is wrong , since i doubt even morgoth could take a direct hit with a nuke and i doubt the valar ,miar and ect could survive our bombs

Morgoth and nukes... what? You went from talking about the Code of Sith to nuking gods all in the same sentence, are you stoned?

the jedi code in one post nukes and bombs in another you werew sooo close lol no im not stoned but i did meet someone who was once ....

So it's your poor grammar and inability to specify to whom you're speaking that makes you sound messed up. I see.

I just dont care for periods and or caps in typed sentences
as for spelling my keyboards messed up
and i was talking to King when i commented about nukes ill specify in the future