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This Investigative Reporter claims that the Swine flu was made in the USA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNS0Q-uxycA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.infowars.com%2Fswine-flu-made-in-usa%2F&feature=player_embedded

Journalist Files Charges against WHO and UN for Bioterrorism and Intent to Commit Mass Murder


Barbara Minton
Natural News
June 25, 2009


As the anticipated July release date for Baxter’s A/H1N1 flu pandemic vaccine approaches, an Austrian investigative journalist is warning the world that the greatest crime in the history of humanity is underway. Jane Burgermeister has recently filed criminal charges with the FBI against the World Health Organization (WHO), the United Nations (UN), and several of the highest ranking government and corporate officials concerning bioterrorism and attempts to commit mass murder. She has also prepared an injunction against forced vaccination which is being filed in America. These actions follow her charges filed in April against Baxter AG and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology of Austria for producing contaminated bird flu vaccine, alleging this was a deliberate act to cause and profit from a pandemic.

http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccination.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/America.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/flu_vaccine.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/pandemic.html

Summary of claims and allegations filed with FBI in Austria on June 10, 2009

In her charges, Burgermeister presents evidence of acts of bioterrorism that is in violation of U.S. law by a group operating within the U.S. under the direction of international bankers who control the Federal Reserve, as well as WHO, UN and NATO. This bioterrorism is for the purpose of carrying out a mass genocide against the U.S. population by use of a genetically engineered flu pandemic virus with the intent of causing death. This group has annexed high government offices in the U.S.

http://www.naturalnews.com/bioterrorism.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/flu_pandemic.html

Specifically, evidence is presented that the defendants, Barack Obama, President of the U.S, David Nabarro, UN System Coordinator for Influenza, Margaret Chan, Director-General of WHO, Kathleen Sibelius, Secretary of Department of Health and Human Services, Janet Napolitano, Secretary of Department of Homeland Security, David de Rotschild, banker, David Rockefeller, banker, George Soros, banker, Werner Faymann, Chancellor of Austria, and Alois Stoger, Austrian Health Minister, among others, are part of this international corporate criminal syndicate which has developed, produced, stockpiled and employed biological weapons to eliminate the population of the U.S. and other countries for financial and political gain.

The charges contend that these defendants conspired with each other and others to devise, fund and participate in the final phase of the implementation of a covert international bioweapons program involving the pharmaceutical companies Baxter and Novartis. They did this by bioengineering and then releasing lethal biological agents, specifically the “bird flu” virus and the “swine flu virus” in order to have a pretext to implement a forced mass vaccination program which would be the means of administering a toxic biological agent to cause death and injury to the people of the U.S. This action is in direct violation of the Biological Weapons Anti-terrorism Act.

http://www.naturalnews.com/pharmaceutical_companies.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/swine_flu.html

Burgermeister’s charges include evidence that Baxter AG, Austrian subsidiary of Baxter International, deliberately sent out 72 kilos of live bird flu virus, supplied by the WHO in the winter of 2009 to 16 laboratories in four counties. She claims this evidence offers clear proof that the pharmaceutical companies and international government agencies themselves are actively engaged in producing, developing, manufacturing and distributing biological agents classified as the most deadly bioweapons on earth in order to trigger a pandemic and cause mass death.

http://www.naturalnews.com/flu_virus.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/government_agencies.html

In her April charges, she noted that Baxter’s lab in Austria, one of the supposedly most secure biosecurity labs in the world, did not adhere to the most basic and essential steps to keep 72 kilos of a pathogen classified as a bioweapon secure and separate from all other substances under stringent biosecurity level regulations, but it allowed it to be mixed with the ordinary human flu virus and sent from its facilities in Orth in the Donau.

In February, when a staff member at BioTest in the Czech Republic tested the material meant for candidate vaccines on ferrets, the ferrets died. This incident was not followed up by any investigation from the WHO, EU, or Austrian health authorities. There was no investigation of the content of the virus material, and there is no data on the genetic sequence of the virus released.

http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccines.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/the_WHO.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/health.html

In answer to parliamentary questions on May 20th, the Austrian Health Minister, Alois Stoger, revealed that the incident had been handled not as a biosecurity lapse, as it should have been, but as an offence against the veterinary code. A veterinary doctor was sent to the lab for a brief inspection.

Burgermeister’s dossier reveals that the release of the virus was to be an essential step for triggering a pandemic that would allow the WHO to declare a Level 6 Pandemic. She lists the laws and decrees that would allow the UN and WHO to take over the United States in the event of pandemic. In addition, legislation requiring compliance with mandatory vaccinations would be put into force in the U.S. under conditions of pandemic declaration.

http://www.naturalnews.com/vaccinations.html

She charges that the entire “swine flu” pandemic business is premised on a massive lie that there is no natural virus out there that poses a threat to the population. She presents evidence leading to the belief that the bird flu and swine flu viruses have, in fact, been bioengineered in laboratories using funding supplied by the WHO and other government agencies, among others. This “swine flu” is a hybrid of part swine flu, part human flu and part bird flu, something that can only come from laboratories according to many experts.

http://www.naturalnews.com/bird_flu.html

WHO’s claim that this “swine flu” is spreading and a pandemic must be declared ignores the fundamental causes. The viruses that were released were created and released with the help of WHO, and WHO is overwhelmingly responsible for the pandemic in the first place. In addition, the symptoms of the supposed “swine flu” are indistinguishable from regular flu or from the common cold. The “swine flu” does not cause death anymore often than the regular flu causes death.

http://www.naturalnews.com/viruses.html

Burgermeister notes that the figures for deaths reported for the “swine flu” are inconsistent and there is no clarity as to how the number of “deaths” has been documented.

There is no pandemic potential unless mass vaccinations are carried out to weaponize the flu under the guise of protecting the population. There are reasonable grounds for believing that the mandatory vaccines will be purposely contaminated with diseases that are specifically designed to cause death.

Reference is made to a licensed Novartis bird flu vaccine that killed 21 homeless people in Poland in the summer of 2008 and had as its “primary outcome measure” an “adverse events rate”, thereby meeting the U.S. government’s own definition of a bioweapon (a biological agent designed to cause an adverse events rate, i.e death or injury) with a delivery system (injection).

http://www.naturalnews.com/Novartis.html

http://www.naturalnews.com/adverse_events.html

She alleges that the same complex of international pharmaceutical companies and international government agencies that have developed and released pandemic material have positioned themselves to profit from triggering the pandemic with contracts to supply vaccines. Media controlled by the group that is engineering the “swine flu” agenda is spreading misinformation to lull the people of the U.S. into taking the dangerous vaccine.

She alleges that the same complex of international pharmaceutical companies and international government agencies that have developed and released pandemic material have positioned themselves to profit from triggering the pandemic with contracts to supply vaccines. Media controlled by the group that is engineering the “swine flu” agenda is spreading misinformation to lull the people of the U.S. into taking the dangerous vaccine.

The people of the U.S. will suffer substantial and irreparable harm and injury if they are forced to take this unproven vaccine without their consent in accordance with the Model State Emergency Health Powers Act, National Emergency Act, National Security Presidential Directive/NSPD 51, Homeland Security Presidential Directive/HSPD-20, and the International Partnership on Avian and Pandemic Influenza.

In the U.S. since 2008, Burgermeister charges that those named in her allegations have implemented new and/or accelerated the implementation of laws and regulations designed to strip the citizens of the U.S. of their lawful constitutional rights to refuse an injection. These people have created or allowed provisions to remain in place that make it a criminal act to refuse to take an injection against pandemic viruses. They have imposed other excessive and cruel penalties such as imprisonment and/or quarantine in FEMA camps while barring the citizens of the U.S. from claiming compensation from injury or death from the forced injections. This is in violation of the laws governing federal corruption and the abuse of office as well as of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. Through these actions, the named defendants have laid the groundwork for mass genocide.

Using the “swine flu” as a pretext, the defendants have preplanned the mass murder of the U.S. population by means of forced vaccination. They have installed an extensive network of FEMA concentration camps and identified mass grave sites, and they have been involved in devising and implementing a scheme to hand power over the U.S. to an international crime syndicate that uses the UN and WHO as a front for illegal racketeering influenced organized crime activities, in violation of the laws that govern treason.

She further charges that the complex of pharmaceutical companies consisting of Baxter, Novartis and Sanofi Aventis are part of a foreign-based dual purpose bioweapons program, financed by this international criminal syndicate and designed to implement mass murder to reduce the world’s population by more than 5 billion people in the next ten years. Their plan is to spread terror to justify forcing people to give up their rights, and to force mass quarantine in FEMA camps. The houses, companies and farms and lands of those who are killed will be up for grabs by this syndicate.

By eliminating the population of North America, the international elite gain access to the region’s natural resources such as water and undeveloped oil lands. And by eliminating the U.S. and its democratic constitution by subsuming it under a North American Union, the international crime group will have total control over North America.

Highlights from the complete dossier

The complete dossier of the June 10th action is a 69 page document presenting evidence to substantiate all charges. This includes:

Factual background that delineates time lines and facts that establish probable cause, UN and WHO definitions and roles, and history and incidents from the April, 2009 “swine flu” outbreak.

Evidence the “swine flu” vaccines are defined as bioweapons as delineates in government agencies and regulations classifying and restricting vaccines, and the fear of foreign countries that “swine flu” vaccines will be used for biological warfare.

http://www.naturalnews.com/outbreak.html

Scientific evidence the “swine flu” virus is an artificial (genetic) virus.

Scientific evidence the “swine flu” was bioengineered to resemble the Spanish flu virus of 1918 including quotes from Swine Flu 2009 is Weaponized 1918 Spanish Flu by A. True Ott, Ph.D., N.D., and a Science Magazine report from Dr. Jeffrey Taubenberger et.al.

Evidence as to the involvement of President Obama that delineates his trip to Mexico which coincided with the recent “swine flu” outbreak and the death of several officials involved in his trip. Contention is made that the President was never tested for “swine flu” because he had been previously vaccinated.

Evidence as to the role of Baxter and WHO in producing and releasing pandemic virus material in Austria includes a statement from a Baxter official stating the accidentally distributed H5N1 in the Czech Republic was received from a WHO reference center. This includes delineation of evidence and allegations from Burgermeister’s charges filed in April in Austria that are currently under investigation.

Evidence Baxter is an element in a covert bioweapons network

Evidence Baxter has deliberately contaminated vaccine material.

Evidence Novartis is using vaccines as bioweapons

Evidence as to WHO’s role in the bioweapons program

Evidence as to WHO’s manipulation of disease data in order to justify declaring a Pandemic Level 6 in order to seize control of the USA.

Evidence as to the FDA’s role in covering up the bioweapons program

Evidence as to Canada’s National Microbiology Lab’s role in the bioweapons program.

Evidence of the involvement of scientists working for the UK’s NIBSC, and the CDC in engineering the “swine flu”.

Evidence vaccinations caused the Spanish killer flu of 1918 including belief of Dr. Jerry Tennant that the widespread use of aspirin during the winter that followed the end of World War I could have been a key factor contributing to the earlier pandemic by suppressing the immune system and lowering body temperatures, allowing the flu virus to multiply. Tamiflu and Relenza also lower body temperatures, and therefore can also be expected to contribute to the spread of a pandemic.

Evidence as to manipulation of the legal framework to allow mass murder with impunity.

Constitutional issues: the legality vs. illegality of jeopardizing the life, health and public good by mass vaccinations.

The issue of immunity and compensation as evidence of intent to commit a crime.

Evidence as to the existence of an international corporate crime syndicate.

Evidence of the existence of the “Illuminati”.

Evidence as to the depopulation agenda of the Illuminati/Bilderbergs and their involvement in the engineering and release of the artificial “swine flu” virus.

Evidence that weaponized flu was discussed at the annual Bilderberg meeting in Athens from May 14-17, 2009, as part of their agenda of genocide, including a list of attendees who, according to a statement once made by Pierre Trudeau, view themselves as genetically superior to the rest of humanity.

Media is keeping Americans clueless about the threat they are under

Jane Burgermeister is a dual Irish/Austrian who has written for Nature, the British Medical Journal, and American Prospect. She is the European Correspondent of the Renewable Energy World website. She has written extensively about climate change, biotechnology, and the ecology.

http://www.naturalnews.com/biotechnology.html

In addition to the charges currently under investigation that she filed against Baxter AG and Avir Green Hills Biotechnology in April, she has filed charges against WHO and Baxter among others concerning a case of exploding “swine flu” vials meant for a research lab on a busy IC train in Switzerland.

In her view, control of the media by the ruling elite has allowed the world crime syndicate to further its agenda unabated while the rest of the people remain in the dark about what is really going on. Her charges are an attempt to get around this media control and bring the truth to light.

Her greatest concern is that “in spite of the fact Baxter has been caught red handed nearly triggering pandemic, they are also moving ahead, together with allied pharma companies, with supplying the vaccine for pandemics.” Baxter is hurrying to get this vaccine to market some time in July.

For more information:

http://www.naturalnews.com/025760.html

http://birdflu666.wordpress.com/200…

http://in.news.yahoo.com/137/200906…

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/…

Except, of course, that swine flu has existed for far longer than the ability to manipulate viruses has been around.

Originally posted by jaden101
Except, of course, that swine flu has existed for far longer than the ability to manipulate viruses has been around.

Why are you trying to steal the same arguement that some people try to use to say that AIDS was not man-made? Aren't you a little more clever than that? Don't you have your own arguement?

Besides...you are talking about an entirely different strain of the Swine Flu that existed before. The current strain that we are dealing with is entirely new and different. And it is rapidly changing and evolving according to scientists.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter







Besides...you are talking about an entirely different strain of the Swine Flu that existed before. The current strain that we are dealing with is entirely new and different. And it is rapidly changing and evolving according to scientists.

I don't need to use a complext argument to debunk this scaremongering nonsense.

No i'm not talking about an entirely different strain. It's the exact same strain the broke out in the 1940's....Hence the reason that scientists are noticing that many of the people who they thought would be vulnerable...i.e the older members of society are actually immune because they got the virus when they were young.

It's H1N1. It's extremely common and extremely mild as flu viruses go. You have to be very VERY unlucky to die from it.

The only part of your post I agree with is that people are profiting from the outbreak...But that's capitalism for you. Hardly a conspiracy.

It is not the exact same strain. Prove it. It is constantly evolving, therefore it could not possibly be the exact same strain from the 1940's. If it changes even in the slightest to adapt to infect Human Beings, than it is not the same exact strain. Because it has morphed. One that only infects pigs and one that can now infect Human Beings is not the same strain at all.

This is from wikipedia:

Swine influenza (also called swine flu, hog flu, and pig flu) is an infection of a host animal by any one of several specific types of microscopic organisms called "swine influenza virus". In 2009 the media labeled as "swine flu" flu caused by 2009's new strain of swine-origin A/H1N1 pandemic virus just as it had earlier dubbed as "avian flu" flu caused by the recent Asian-linage HPAI (High Pathogenic Avian Influenza) H5N1 strain that is still endemic in many wild bird species in several countries.

A swine influenza virus (SIV) is any strain of the influenza family of viruses that is usually hosted by (is endemic in) pigs. As of 2009, the known SIV strains are the influenza C virus and the subtypes of the influenza A virus known as H1N1, H1N2, H3N1, H3N2, and H2N3. Swine influenza is common in pigs in the United States (particularly in the midwest and occasionally in other states), Mexico, Canada, South America, Europe (including the United Kingdom, Sweden, and Italy), Kenya, and eastern Asia (namely China, Taiwan, and Japan).

The 2009 swine flu outbreak in humans is due to a new strain of influenza A virus subtype H1N1 that contains genes closely related to swine influenza. The origin of this new strain is unknown. However, the World Organization for Animal Health (OIE) reports that this strain has not been isolated in pigs. This strain can be transmitted from human to human, and causes the normal symptoms of influenza.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swine_flu

There's a reason you don't get away with using wikipedia as a reliable source when citing medical information.

It's not a new virus. It's an old virus...it may have some slight mutations that result in different methods of infection but it acts on the body in the same way and that's how many people are immune from it. Because it's antigen action sites are the same and so the immune system antibodies can act on it.

I do, however, find it ironic that you accuse me of not using my own argument then immediately follow that up with a cut n paste job from wikipedia.

Originally posted by jaden101
There's a reason you don't get away with using wikipedia as a reliable source when citing medical information.

It's not a new virus. It's an old virus...it may have some slight mutations that result in different methods of infection but it acts on the body in the same way and that's how many people are immune from it. Because it's antigen action sites are the same and so the immune system antibodies can act on it.

I do, however, find it ironic that you accuse me of not using my own argument then immediately follow that up with a cut n paste job from wikipedia.

Because no offense but Wikipedia used information that was more accurate than both of your arguments in this case. Perhaps not in every case. But in this case it did.

On the bottom of the article it uses 84 professional sources to back up it's claims.

It is also interesting to note that the virus is different in how it infects Pigs than how it infects Humans as well. And that the treatment for both is different.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Because no offense but Wikipedia used information that was more accurate than both of your arguements in this case. Perhaps not in every case. But in this case it did.

What's not accurate about my argument? Are you trying to say that people aren't immune to it because of previous exposure to the SAME VIRUS.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
Because no offense but Wikipedia used information that was more accurate than both of your arguements in this case. Perhaps not in every case. But in this case it did.

The specific section you picked has no citations.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
The specific section you picked has no citations.

That's probably because they knew that citations weren't necessary for that section. Because it is a commonly known fact.

Originally posted by jaden101
What's not accurate about my argument? Are you trying to say that people aren't immune to it because of previous exposure to the SAME VIRUS.

No I'm stating that what was not accurate about your argument was that you said that the current strain of influenza was not a new strain of influenza.

I was countering your argument with the fact that The 2009 swine flu outbreak in humans is due to a new strain of influenza A virus subtype H1N1 that contains genes that are only closely related to swine influenza but that are not of the swine influenza itself.

Influenza A virus subtype H1N1, also known as A(H1N1), is a subtype of influenzavirus A and the most common cause of influenza (flu) in humans. Some strains of H1N1 are endemic in humans and cause a small fraction of all influenza-like illness and a large fraction of all seasonal influenza. H1N1 strains caused roughly half of all human flu infections in 2006. Other strains of H1N1 are endemic in pigs (swine influenza) and in birds (avian influenza).

In June 2009, WHO declared that flu due to a new strain of swine-origin H1N1 was responsible for the 2009 flu pandemic. This strain is commonly called "swine flu".

Thats the World Health Organization declaring that it was a new strain of swine H1N1 by the way, not Wikipedia.

And your argument was that it was "made in America" and designed to cause mass murder...Flying in the face of the fact that it's an extremely mild virus of which the death rate is currently sitting at much less than 10% world wide and less than 1% in developed countries of people who have been diagnosed with the virus.

I think mine is considerably closer to the truth about the virus that yours.

Originally posted by jaden101
And your argument was that it was "made in America" and designed to cause mass murder...Flying in the face of the fact that it's an extremely mild virus of which the death rate is currently sitting at much less than 10% world wide and less than 1% in developed countries of people who have been diagnosed with the virus.

I think mine is considerably closer to the truth about the virus that yours.

First of all, I never claimed that the virus was made in America or manufcatured by man. I posted two investigations that are currently underway regarding whether it was or not. One from an investigative reporter and another from an Australian Journalist.

Did you not watch the video? Or read anything I posted?

I did not start either one of those investigations. So I am not a part of them.

Originally posted by NuclearWinter
First of all, I never claimed that the virus was made in America or manufcatured by man. I posted two investigations that are currently underway regarding whether it was or not. One from an investigative reporter and another from an Australian Journalist.

Did you not watch the video? Or read anything I posted?

I did not start either one of those investigations. So I am not a part of them.

So my point that you're the one who doesn't post his own argument stands then?...Despite you accusing me of doing just that

Originally posted by jaden101
So my point that you're the one who doesn't post his own argument stands then?...Despite you accusing me of doing just that

Well that doesn't fly too well either because I haven't yet stated which way I am leaning. It could very well be that I agree with both of them. Or it could be the opposite. I'm not playing games here I'm just being realistic.

OK...So you're merely posting the information rather than adopting a stance?...I can live with that.

Originally posted by jaden101
OK...So you're merely posting the information rather than adopting a stance?...I can live with that.

Basically yes.

CDC Computer Models: One Million Infected with H1N1 in U.S.


Thomas H. Maugh II
The Los Angeles Times
June 26, 2009


At least 1 million Americans have now contracted the novel H1N1 influenza, according to mathematical models prepared by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, while data from the field indicates that the virus is continuing to spread even though the normal flu season is over and that an increasing proportion of victims are being hospitalized.

Meanwhile, the virus is continuing its rapid spread through the Southern Hemisphere, infecting increasing numbers of people and at least one pig.

Nearly 28,000 laboratory-confirmed U.S. cases of the virus, also known as swine flu, have been reported to the CDC, almost half of the more than 56,000 cases globally reported to the World Health Organization.

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-swineflu26-2009jun26,0,7526407.story

and yet not even a fraction of the people who die every year from regular ol' Flu have died from Swine Flu.

this topic is kind of boring and pointless.

If any country geneticly engineered this virus to commit mass murder, I wouldn't want to live in that country. Isn't the point of creating biological weapons to make them stronger, more potent and more dangerous/deadly than a naturally occurring virus that millions upon millions of people get every year and results in nothing more serious than 2 or 3 days in bed, eating chicken soup and watching movies?

perhaps this is the same country that artificially created the common cold as a biological weapon.....hmmmmmm.

thsi thread gopt made over at that conspiracy site you referred me to winter LONG before you made it here.Lol

Jaden all the diseases that affect humanity are man made, the bio weapon programs have been going on for centuries.
All these diseases are developed in the Lab. But guess the trick regarding the Virus Wars, guess what kills you!, not the Virus but the Vaccine.

Wake up boys anf girls.

Labs centuries ago huh?...Yeah...clearly you're an intellect to be reckoned with.

Originally posted by edisonik
Jaden all the diseases that affect humanity are man made, the bio weapon programs have been going on for centuries.
All these diseases are developed in the Lab. But guess the trick regarding the Virus Wars, guess what kills you!, not the Virus but the Vaccine.

Wake up boys anf girls.

exactly.well said.you said something thats logical for a change.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
exactly.well said.you said something thats logical for a change.

What's logical about saying all viruses are man made despite the fact that viruses and bacterian have been around for nigh on 2 billion years before people?

Originally posted by jaden101
What's logical about saying all viruses are man made despite the fact that viruses and bacterian have been around for nigh on 2 billion years before people?

EVERYTHING!!! OPEN YOU EYES SHEEPLE!!!!!!

Originally posted by edisonik
Jaden all the diseases that affect humanity are man made, the bio weapon programs have been going on for centuries.
All these diseases are developed in the Lab. Possibly the greatest thing ever written on this forum, it's very hard to distinguish trolls from conspiracy nuts but regardless of which category you fall in to I got a good laugh from that.

All i know is im not taking the vaccine this fall. I have a feeling they are going to make it look like you have to take it for the good of your country, but its all a beta test to see how the people react to the idea of forced inoculations. Also this is just something to mull over, we'll see how it all goes down when the time comes... http://www.infowars.com/canadian-doctor-h1n1-vaccination-a-eugenics-weapon-for-mass-extermination/

Swine flu

Total cases so far: 100,934
Deaths so far: 522
% of cases resulting in death: 0.517

no of deaths of people who have been vaccinated: 0

% of deaths resulting from vaccination: 0

Quite the concrete argument of "the vaccine is what's killing people" the conspiracy idiots have.

I'm sure no vaccine even exists yet...

Originally posted by jaden101
Swine flu

Total cases so far: 100,934
Deaths so far: 522
% of cases resulting in death: 0.517

no of deaths of people who have been vaccinated: 0

% of deaths resulting from vaccination: 0

Quite the concrete argument of "the vaccine is what's killing people" the conspiracy idiots have.

Independent source?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Independent source?

Wolfram Alpha for the figures on infected and dead...The fact that there's no vaccine available yet for the vaccine figures.

Originally posted by jaden101
Wolfram Alpha for the figures on infected and dead...The fact that there's no vaccine available yet for the vaccine figures.
Well im sure you have heard of the swine flu vaccine in 1976, its not a enormous amount of people that died (25) or got Guilliain-Barre syndrome (>500), but enough to recall it. I don't think the gov. is trying to kill us with this vaccine now, but i do believe that one day they might use it to poison the masses. Watch to see if the government is forcing vaccinations on americans. If they do then i beileve you guys should be a little wary of getting the shot. Not because of the dangers, but because the government will then think that they can easily control us through fear, bypassing our God given rights.

Originally posted by jgiant
Well im sure you have heard of the swine flu vaccine in 1976, its not a enormous amount of people that died (25) or got Guilliain-Barre syndrome (>500), but enough to recall it. I don't think the gov. is trying to kill us with this vaccine now, but i do believe that one day they might use it to poison the masses. Watch to see if the government is forcing vaccinations on americans. If they do then i beileve you guys should be a little wary of getting the shot. Not because of the dangers, but because the government will then think that they can easily control us through fear, bypassing our God given rights.

Even if only 1% of people took it that's about 3 million.

A danger rate of under 0.01667% is totally acceptable if your trying to help people and utterly useless for hurting them.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Even if only 1% of people took it that's about 3 million.

A danger rate of under 0.01667% is totally acceptable if your trying to help people and utterly useless for hurting them. I see you guys are only focusing on the death count, when i really don't think the death count is what is to worry about, rather people thinking they have to get this vaccine and that if they don't they are breaking the law. Even if its not that extreme, it is planting the seed for more raping of your God givin rights.

Originally posted by jgiant
Well im sure you have heard of the swine flu vaccine in 1976, its not a enormous amount of people that died (25) or got Guilliain-Barre syndrome (>500), but enough to recall it. I don't think the gov. is trying to kill us with this vaccine now, but i do believe that one day they might use it to poison the masses. Watch to see if the government is forcing vaccinations on americans. If they do then i beileve you guys should be a little wary of getting the shot. Not because of the dangers, but because the government will then think that they can easily control us through fear, bypassing our God given rights.

There's literally a 1 in a million chance of suffering from GBS from a vaccine shot and out of that million there's a 1 in 20 chance of dying. Hardly an effective way to "poison the masses" is it?

Far easier to just do it through the water supply. (oh no that's a whole other conspiracy isn't it)

Originally posted by jaden101
There's literally a 1 in a million chance of suffering from GBS from a vaccine shot and out of that million there's a 1 in 20 chance of dying. Hardly an effective way to "poison the masses" is it?

Far easier to just do it through the water supply. (oh no that's a whole other conspiracy isn't it) Or the food supply, there is so much sh!t in our food that is slowly killing us. Mostly due to our ignorance of what we should eat thats good for us. But you guys hear of that corn that had infertility drugs in it. "Control the oil you control the nations, control the food and you control the people." you guys know who said that.

Originally posted by jgiant
Or the food supply, there is so much sh!t in our food that is slowly killing us. Mostly due to our ignorance of what we should eat thats good for us. But you guys hear of that corn that had infertility drugs in it. "Control the oil you control the nations, control the food and you control the people." you guys know who said that.

The problem of what's in the food isn't what's killing most people. It's the fact that they're a bunch of fat greedy ****s who eat too much of it that's killing them.

Originally posted by jgiant
I see you guys are only focusing on the death count, when i really don't think the death count is what is to worry about, rather people thinking they have to get this vaccine and that if they don't they are breaking the law. Even if its not that extreme, it is planting the seed for more raping of your God givin rights.

exactly.well said.

Originally posted by Mr Parker
exactly.well said. Thanks.
Originally posted by jaden101
The problem of what's in the food isn't what's killing most people. It's the fact that they're a bunch of fat greedy ****s who eat too much of it that's killing them. Yea i mentioned that. But i don't think greed is the appropriate word in some cases. Ignorance and media branwashing are big contributers to why people think its ok to put sh!t in their bodies all their lives.

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Originally posted by jaden101
Swine flu

Total cases so far: 100,934
Deaths so far: 522
% of cases resulting in death: 0.517

no of deaths of people who have been vaccinated: 0

% of deaths resulting from vaccination: 0

Quite the concrete argument of "the vaccine is what's killing people" the conspiracy idiots have. Also have u factored in that of the supposed 300 or so deaths in america due to the swine flu, very few of them were from the actual virus itself. "The 302 deaths are associated with H1N1, but in few cases deaths resulted directly from the flu or the virus. And many people or probably the majority found with virus when or after they died often had been suffering some underlying disease or health condition." http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Non-food/Disease/ 260720090833_cdc_302_americans_with_h1n1_have_died
_so_far.html Most of the time the people die of their poor health before the flu. Did you also know of the 12,000 guinie pig children they are going to test this vaccine on.http://newsok.com/state-kids-to-get-shot-at-swine-flu-vaccine/article/3387609 Lets just wait and see thats all.

Originally posted by jgiant
Thanks.
Yea i mentioned that. But i don't think greed is the appropriate word in some cases. Ignorance and media branwashing are big contributers to why people think its ok to put sh!t in their bodies all their lives.

no problem,great post there as well.by the way,check my pm I just sent ya.

Originally posted by jgiant
Also have u factored in that of the supposed 300 or so deaths in america due to the swine flu, very few of them were from the actual virus itself. "The 302 deaths are associated with H1N1, but in few cases deaths resulted directly from the flu or the virus. And many people or probably the majority found with virus when or after they died often had been suffering some underlying disease or health condition." http://www.foodconsumer.org/newsite/Non-food/Disease/ 260720090833_cdc_302_americans_with_h1n1_have_died
_so_far.html Most of the time the people die of their poor health before the flu. Did you also know of the 12,000 guinie pig children they are going to test this vaccine on.http://newsok.com/state-kids-to-get-shot-at-swine-flu-vaccine/article/3387609 Lets just wait and see thats all.

It won't even be available to the masses until months after it's given to priority cases. Terrible method of killing people and plenty of time (along with trials) to buffer out any problems.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
It won't even be available to the masses until months after it's given to priority cases. Terrible method of killing people and plenty of time (along with trials) to buffer out any problems. I enjoy how you disect posts and only answer what you think the post means. Apparently my whole point is that the vaccine is suppose to kill a mass amounts of people. Now can you answer me this? When did i ever say that? Whether it will or not is not the case. It could, it could not. I say it won't. Its just to condition us to be submissive to the government. Is it that anyone who thinks the government is slowly destroying the constitution, our God given rights and thinks the gov. has gotten us into war after war for no good fuking reason is a conspiracy theorist. These should be apparent to every American who has their head screwed on right. You guys make yourself look dumb when you pussy foot around the real issue, which is the government is slowly destroying America. What do you guys think of the Federal Reserve?

Sorry for the double post. But would you guys be willing to believe that the swine flu was created in a lab just to get money into the pharmacudical industry. That could also be a possiblity. Or is that a conspiracy theory too. In all honesty I don't know, and you guys don't know.

Originally posted by jgiant
Sorry for the double post. But would you guys be willing to believe that the swine flu was created in a lab just to get money into the pharmacudical industry. That could also be a possiblity. Or is that a conspiracy theory too. In all honesty I don't know, and you guys don't know.

I'm willing to accept that pharmaceutical companies are exploiting the situation by grossly overstating the virus's potential danger in order to sell more Tamiflu and also to create a demand for a vaccine that some GP's are already stating is completely unneccessary. Unfortunately that's no different from any other commercial enterprise. Creating demand where there is none. This is obviously more unethical given it's about creating a demand by inciting fear of ill health.

As for creating it in the lab? No...The H1N1 virus has been around far longer than our ability to manipulate genes or alter the genetic code of viruses.

As for the other frankly ridiculous idea that the vaccine will kill millions. What utter and complete nonsense. People argue this all the time in relation to AIDS and HIV medication in Africa. Saying that it's killing people...Yes they're right to say it's killing people. What they neglect to mention, though is that it's killing people because the people who are supposed to getting the medication are selling it on illegally because it can get people high. Killing both themselves (because they're not getting the medication they need) and killing the people who are abusing the drugs (because it causes massive complications will non comprimised immune systems.)

Originally posted by jaden101
I'm willing to accept that pharmaceutical companies are exploiting the situation by grossly overstating the virus's potential danger in order to sell more Tamiflu and also to create a demand for a vaccine that some GP's are already stating is completely unneccessary. Unfortunately that's no different from any other commercial enterprise. Creating demand where there is none. This is obviously more unethical given it's about creating a demand by inciting fear of ill health.

As for creating it in the lab? No...The H1N1 virus has been around far longer than our ability to manipulate genes or alter the genetic code of viruses.

As for the other frankly ridiculous idea that the vaccine will kill millions. What utter and complete nonsense. People argue this all the time in relation to AIDS and HIV medication in Africa. Saying that it's killing people...Yes they're right to say it's killing people. What they neglect to mention, though is that it's killing people because the people who are supposed to getting the medication are selling it on illegally because it can get people high. Killing both themselves (because they're not getting the medication they need) and killing the people who are abusing the drugs (because it causes massive complications will non comprimised immune systems.) Just because the H1N1 flu has been around since probably before the 1918 spanish flu, doesn't mean that the strain could not be tampered with in a lab. I say lets wait and see. I do know that there is no reason for this pandemonium the media is creating. There is a reason to this and them forcing the vaccination on us. To see what exactly its for, whether $ or more sinister goals...we'll just have to wait and see.