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What, in your opinion, are the five worst tragedies in history? They can range anywhere from a terrorist attack, to a natural disaster, to someone important dying.

1. Humans begin existing


Everything else is meaningless.

1) Ice Cream
2) Bumblebees
3) Jacope-X
4) Herpes
5) Tooth Pain

You may question if three truly is worse than four. Well, I am here to tell you it is.

Originally posted by The Grey Fox
1. Humans begin existing


Everything else is meaningless.
Explain.

Originally posted by Barker
Explain. Seriously? Explain? It's pretty clear. In my opinion, the only real tragedy is humans ever existing. That's... it. And I believe I already stated that above.

1. 9/11 Attacks
2. Wilhelm Gustloff http://www.feldgrau.com/wilhelmgustloff.html
3. The Titanic
4. Mt. St. Helens
5. Pearl Harbor


I am sure I forgot some, feel free to tell me which.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
1. 9/11 Attacks
5. Pearl Harbor Predictable.

Originally posted by The Grey Fox
Predictable.

I placed those two there for the sheer atrocity.

Welshy being born. ermmhappy

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I placed those two there for the sheer atrocity. And, well, because anything that happens to America is obviously a crime against humanity. Because nothing is worse than 3000 Americans dying. Nothing.

I'm not too sure I have a list.

Sept 11th attacks would be around the top, though.

-AC

Lets not forget these:

http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/pompeii/p/MtVesuvius.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Koresh

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown

Alright, this gets my vote too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholisism

Originally posted by The Grey Fox
And, well, because anything that happens to America is obviously a crime against humanity. Because nothing is worse than 3000 Americans dying. Nothing. As I said, I didnt name it it for the body count, I named it for it's arocity. The act itself.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
As I said, I didnt name it it for the body count, I named it for it's arocity. The act itself. What, blowing up Americans? Yeah, any act of terror against America is naturally worse, don't worry, I understand.

Can I just put something up there? Just something I think might rank a bit worse than some American citizens and buildings getting blown up by Muslims? The Holocaust.

edit: Should rename this thread "Top 5 Worst American Tragedies", really.

Originally posted by The Grey Fox
Seriously? Explain? It's pretty clear. In my opinion, the only real tragedy is humans ever existing. That's... it. And I believe I already stated that above.
haermm

Originally posted by The Grey Fox
Can I just put something up there? Just something I think might rank a bit worse than some American citizens and buildings getting blown up by Muslims? The Holocaust.

edit: Should rename this thread "Top 5 Worst American Tragedies", really. I didnt forget that one, trust me. The Holocaust took place over years, I am talking about shit that happened like BAM, out of the blue, no warnings.

Originally posted by Barker
Explain.

I think it's cause most of the problems that we get are man made

The tsunami of 2006/7 (EDIT: 2004) would probably be on my list. 9/11 was bad and all, but in the grand scheme of things there are things that were far worse.Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I didnt forget that one, trust me. The Holocaust took place over years, I am talking about shit that happened like BAM, out of the blue, no warnings. Well you probably should have clarified that in your original post then.

Originally posted by Strangelove
The tsunami of 2006(7?) would probably be on my list. 9/11 was bad and all, but in the grand scheme of things there are things that were far worse. Well you probably should have clarified that in your original post then. I started to, but I didnt want to limit it to just that.

The tsunami was Decemeber 26th 2004

What year was that huge san francisco quake?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I started to, but I didnt want to limit it to just that. well if you didn't want to, then why did you say that that's what you meant just now, if you decided to take it back?

Does it really matter now?

Not especially, just yanking your chain. haermm

...yes

I forgot to mention Culture Club.

YMCA dude's who dressed up as a policeman, construction site builder, indian...i forget the rest

patriarchy
child abuse
war/genocide
disease
government
organised relegion
slavery
capitalism


{these are hard to place}
death
carnivorism
despair/self loathing/bitterness

Carrot top.

Hiroshima.

Pretty much unnecessary.

-AC

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri
Hiroshima.

Pretty much unnecessary.

-AC Depends on one's POV. What would have happened with WWII if the bomb hadn't been dropped?

1. Invention of the Snooze button.


I'll come back with more later.

The death of Michael Jackson

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Depends on one's POV. What would have happened with WWII if the bomb hadn't been dropped? some would argue that the axis was ready to surrender before Truman dropped the bomb

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
1. 9/11 Attacks
2. Wilhelm Gustloff http://www.feldgrau.com/wilhelmgustloff.html
3. The Titanic
4. Mt. St. Helens
5. Pearl Harbor


I am sure I forgot some, feel free to tell me which. Is that in order?

Hmm, I guess mine would be World War 2 with the Holocaust and Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Other Bombings, World War 1, Communist Genocides (Mao and Stalin...), The Inquisition/Witch Trials/Crusades and other atrocities of Catholicism or Religion in general and finally Michael Jackson's death.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Is that in order?

Hmm, I guess mine would be World War 2 with the Holocaust and Hiroshima/Nagasaki/Other Bombings, World War 1, Communist Genocides (Mao and Stalin...), The Inquisition/Witch Trials/Crusades and other atrocities of Catholicism or Religion in general and finally Michael Jackson's death.
MJ's life was probably a far greater tragedy than his death. He made great music, but he never really had a life, from being beaten on stage by his father during childhood, because his father wanted his son to succeed wher ehe had failed, to becoming the gossip-press' plaything etc. His life could really be used to show how sick mankind has become, in a way.

Also, I get that you were probably joking about his death being one of the worst tragedies befallen on mankind.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
As I said, I didnt name it it for the body count, I named it for it's arocity. The act itself.

9/11 is worse than slavery, religous genocide and Darfur?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Depends on one's POV. What would have happened with WWII if the bomb hadn't been dropped?

They would have surrendered.

Generally, that's considered what would've happened. I believe that the terms and conditions offered up by Japan were that they no longer wanted their country occupied, right?

I could be wrong but I believe that was the only condition, and it was ignored.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
9/11 is worse than slavery, religous genocide and Darfur?

Read the thread.

He said it's based on single events that happened quickly.

-AC

Apartheid.

Sorry, I'm just trying to be different.

I believe 9/11 shows up more often than it normally would just due to how recent it was compared to say, the Holocaust.

As for sudden events... hmm. Most of the terrible things I can think of were not that sudden.

Originally posted by Alpha Centauri



Read the thread.

He said it's based on single events that happened quickly.

-AC No, I said the events I listed were like that. The Holocaust, slavery, stuff like that is fine.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Holocaust, slavery, stuff like that is fine. Yeah, that stuff was swell.

Originally posted by leonheartmm
disease
{these are hard to place}
death
carnivorism
despair/self loathing/bitterness These things are all natural life processes. In whatever you believe, these things were put here for a reason. They're natural and the world could not do without them.

Canceling Arrested Development

Originally posted by The Grey Fox
These things are all natural life processes. In whatever you believe, these things were put here for a reason. They're natural and the world could not do without them. Agreed.

This is a bad one:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monongah_Mining_disaster

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
I didnt forget that one, trust me. The Holocaust took place over years, I am talking about shit that happened like BAM, out of the blue, no warnings.
The Holocaust kind of did happen out of the blue, most of the world just ignored it for a while though.

Originally posted by Strangelove
some would argue that the axis was ready to surrender before Truman dropped the bomb The Japanese drew first blood with an unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor. They ****ed with the bull and got the horns.

But then one might argue that Japan was attempting to cripple the U.S. fleet as the Japanese conquered Southeast Asia and the Pacific Islands.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
The Japanese drew first blood with an unprovoked attack on Pearl Harbor. They ****ed with the bull and got the horns.

But then one might argue that Japan was attempting to cripple the U.S. fleet as the Japanese conquered Southeast Asia and the Pacific Islands. Pearl Harbor: 2,402 dead (57 civilians)

Hiroshima/Nagasaki: 220,000 dead (estimated, overwhelming majority civilian), + countless live affected by the radiation.

You tell me how that's justified. That's worse than what Al Qaeda did to us on 9/11

Originally posted by Strangelove
Pearl Harbor: 2,402 dead (57 civilians)

Hiroshima/Nagasaki: 220,000 dead (estimated, overwhelming majority civilian), + countless live affected by the radiation.

You tell me how that's justified. That's worse than what Al Qaeda did to us on 9/11
Well i ask you this.... What would you have done to make the japanese surrender.

aids/your mom jokes/cosmetic surgery/white people/black people from "the hood"

Originally posted by omgchos
Well i ask you this.... What would you have done to make the japanese surrender. Um, continue to use our superior military to force them to surrender, like we were already doing.

I'm just saying that Pearl Harbor is a shitty excuse for what we did.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Pearl Harbor: 2,402 dead (57 civilians)

Hiroshima/Nagasaki: 220,000 dead (estimated, overwhelming majority civilian), + countless live affected by the radiation.

You tell me how that's justified. That's worse than what Al Qaeda did to us on 9/11 I don't think G.I. Joe here really cares how many 'damn wops' died, they ****ed with America, and he'll be darn-diddly-damned if anyone who ****s with his freedom doesn't die a painful, irradiated death.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Um, continue to use our superior military to force them to surrender, like we were already doing.

I'm just saying that Pearl Harbor is a shitty excuse for what we did. And lose thousands more GI's along the way?

Yeah, mass genocide of civilians is much better

Originally posted by Strangelove
Um, continue to use our superior military to force them to surrender, like we were already doing.

I'm just saying that Pearl Harbor is a shitty excuse for what we did.
While pearl harbor itself being used as an excuse is, yes shitty. I still think that actually attempting to invade the mainland of japan, would have resulted in far to many casualties on both sides. Most likely more than those lost in the bombings themselves. Not to mention the fact that those "civilians" in japan would have defended their own land to the death. Taking as many allied soldiers with them as they could. It may not have been the perfect solution, but at the time, it was the best way to avoid more of the heavy losses america was taking. They did ask for it, attacking us, but the atom bombs weren't revenge for pearl harbor. The subsequent bombing, featured in the movie of the same name was.

the black death
Spanish flu + WW1, although separate events one enabled the other.
WW2
Hitler and the holocaust
Russia under Stalin
transatlantic slave trade
colonization of the Americas effect on Native Americans
rise of the Qing Dynasty

There's plenty more that are far more tragic than any terrorist attack.

edit.

When they bombed the parking lot of the World Trade Center.

Originally posted by Ax3l
Yeah, mass genocide of civilians is much better You think the USA targeted the Japanese just because they were Japanese? They would have done the same regardless of color, race or creed. The Japanese just happened to be our enemy at the time.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You think the USA targeted the Japanese just because they were Japanese? They would have done the same regardless of color, race or creed. The Japanese just happened to be our enemy at the time. Axel didn't say that it was racially motivated, and to bring that up is to set up a strawman.

The fact that they were an enemy doesn't excuse what we did.

Originally posted by Strangelove
Axel didn't say that it was racially motivated, and to bring that up is to set up a strawman.

The fact that they were an enemy doesn't excuse what we did. It really depends how one defines Genocide. I see Genocide as one group targeting another specifically for race/religious reasons and eliminating them.

It doesn't matter what you think it means, it has a definition, you can't just change what it actually means for you own purposes. It means, "The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status, or other particularity.", not what you want it to mean.

so everyone involved in WWII helped commit genocide?

Hell any war throughout history

Not touching that one with a 20 foot pole.

Well here's the wiki definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Well here's the wiki definition:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide Already read that; I got mine from Wiktionary, as it was more condensed.

Originally posted by The Grey Fox
It doesn't matter what you think it means, it has a definition, you can't just change what it actually means for you own purposes. It means, "The systematic killing of substantial numbers of people on the basis of ethnicity, religion, political opinion, social status, or other particularity.", not what you want it to mean. So I guess the Japanese just happening to be our enemy at the time would fall under "other partciularity?"

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
So I guess the Japanese just happening to be our enemy at the time would fall under "other partciularity?" I can't really say, I'm not getting into the whole "was Hiroshima and Nagasaki genocide?" debate, since it's not really that relevent. It was as you put defined in the original post a tragedy, a massive loss of innocent life at one time, that's all I'm saying. Was it right or wrong? That's a different story. But it was still a tragedy.

Even though the actual definition of a tragedy is pretty much just 'a piece of literature which has a sad ending'.

Originally posted by The Grey Fox
I can't really say, I'm not getting into the whole "was Hiroshima and Nagasaki genocide?" debate, since it's not really that relevent. It was as you put defined in the original post a tragedy, a massive loss of innocent life at one time, that's all I'm saying. Was it right or wrong? That's a different story. But it was still a tragedy.

Even though the actual definition of a tragedy is pretty much just 'a piece of literature which has a sad ending'. Good point, agreed.

Originally posted by Quincy
Canceling Arrested Development Preach it, brother.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Preach it, brother.

Wait, what??? They are still making the movie, right?

Mcdonalds

- Caulking Bathrooms
- Joshua Clottey losing by decision to Miguel Cotto
- Pooty Tang the Movie
- When they took 'ED' off TV
- Your mom

Originally posted by Mairuzu
Mcdonalds

McNuggets ftw

Originally posted by =Tired Hiker=
Wait, what??? They are still making the movie, right? Yes, but that doesn't make the cancelation any less an atrocity.

high school musical and hannah montana as well

Originally posted by Bardock42
Yes, but that doesn't make the cancelation any less an atrocity. Of course not.

9th grade.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
high school musical and hannah montana as well

no no. that's win.

21st century breakdown

Global Warming?

Replacing the original yellow Wiggle. Now that's ****ed up.

Retire the yellow jumper, don't give it to someone else!!

Originally posted by Vinny Valentine
3) Jacope-X Yeah!

I'm a tragedy!

1. Organized religion.


The rest doesn't matter. Religion has, for the most part, brought more suffering to the human race than any other thing in history.

As for the rest of the list? Hmmm........

Bill Hicks' death, Gore losing to Bush, The Sopranos going off of the air, and Michael Bay being allowed to make movies.

Hayden Christensen as Anakin.

Heath Ledger as Joker.