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Flash Vs. Superman in a "brawl" with the following stipulations:

-Flash can not steal Superman's speed.
-Superman can not use any of his vision, sound, quasi psuedo-telepathic riff-raff (T-vo), or breath abilities (so no heat vision, no ice breath, no super sonic whistling, etc).
-Superman's hands are tied behind his back and cannot be untied.
-Battle is purely a "h2h", martial engagement.

Discuss.

superman can still fly?

Yeah, he can fly, just can't use his other projectile/mental/energy powers or punch.

Erm...

Lol wtf...

I guess he can smash Flash's fists with his face.

For a stalemate he could just fly around.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Flash Vs. Superman in a "brawl" with the following stipulations:

-Flash can not steal Superman's speed.
-Superman can not use any of his vision, sound, quasi psuedo-telepathic riff-raff (T-vo), or breath abilities (so no heat vision, no ice breath, no super sonic whistling, etc).
-Superman's hands are tied behind his back and cannot be untied.
-Battle is purely a "h2h", martial engagement.

Discuss.

subtle as ever.

ps--supes for the headbutt win.

Originally posted by illadelph12

-Superman's hands are tied behind his back and cannot be untied.
-Battle is purely a "h2h", martial engagement.



How does that work out?

spite...i despise thrads like these

Originally posted by leonidas
subtle as ever.

ps--supes for the headbutt win.

Sometimes it's the little things, brotha...

Originally posted by The Pict
How does that work out?

Supes fighting Flash with his hands tied behind his back and no projectiles.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
spite...i despise thrads like these

Spite because Superman still wins via collision?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Spite because Superman still wins via collision? to my knowledge, flash's speed force only protects him (and the environment) from the rigors of high speed forces caused by his own movements.

pretty sure none of that would apply if he collided with another object without being phased first.

Meaning if Supes did this:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2400/goldbergspear059ay.gif

to him, repeatedly, Flash would be hurt, right?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Meaning if Supes did this:

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2400/goldbergspear059ay.gif

to him, repeatedly, Flash would be hurt, right?

IF ftw.

Flash stomp..

Originally posted by illadelph12
Flash Vs. Superman in a "brawl" with the following stipulations:

-Flash can not steal Superman's speed.
-Superman can not use any of his vision, sound, quasi psuedo-telepathic riff-raff (T-vo), or breath abilities (so no heat vision, no ice breath, no super sonic whistling, etc).
-Superman's hands are tied behind his back and cannot be untied.
-Battle is purely a "h2h", martial engagement.

Discuss. lolol

I'm serious.

I want to get people's opinions on how this would turn out.

Could Superman beat Flash with his hands tied behind his back?

Originally posted by illadelph12
Could Superman beat Flash with his hands tied behind his back?
Nope. Supes would have difficulty beating Flash straight up.

With these stips he loses every time.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Nope. Supes would have difficulty beating Flash straight up.

With these stips he loses every time.

Then again, Flash would have a hard time actually hurting Superman h2h.

Originally posted by batdude123
Then again, Flash would have a hard time actually hurting Superman h2h.
His own near-IMP KO'd him....

Originally posted by Enyalus
His own near-IMP KO'd him.... Flash = Exploding moon?

Originally posted by Charmander
Flash = Exploding moon?
No, it's like having a multiverse dropped on his domepiece. biscuits

So if Supes and Flash were to slam into eachother at full speed, Supes would get the worst of it?

IIRC, Flash does have some kind of enhanced durability due to the speedforce.

This thread kind of screws over Superman.

Originally posted by illadelph12
So if Supes and Flash were to slam into eachother at full speed, Supes would get the worst of it?
No.

If that were to happen, Flash would accidentally vibrate through him.

Originally posted by illadelph12
-Superman can not use any of his vision, sound Supes is blind and deaf?

What is the nature of this protection? Because if I'm not mistaken Flash has been beaten down while running exceedingly fast. I thought the protection was for the environment/windshear, not necessarily impacts. Flash isn't Juggernaut.

Originally posted by Enyalus
His own near-IMP KO'd him....

What instance are you referring to?

Originally posted by illadelph12
What is the nature of this protection? Because if I'm not mistaken Flash has been beaten down while running exceedingly fast. I thought the protection was for the environment/windshear, not necessarily impacts. Flash isn't Juggernaut.

No, but then again, a mere human wouldn't be able to withstand punching something at and/or around the speed of light (much less go that fast... meh, you know what I mean).

Originally posted by Charmander
Supes is blind and deaf?

facepalm

Originally posted by batdude123
What instance are you referring to?
The JLA Shadow Moon feat.

Originally posted by illadelph12
What is the nature of this protection? Because if I'm not mistaken Flash has been beaten down while running exceedingly fast. I thought the protection was for the environment/windshear, not necessarily impacts. Flash isn't Juggernaut. I remember issue where Flash did have Juggernaut type healing factor due to his speed regen not as good but it showed he can heal rapidly.

But most of the time he gets K.O'es without healing factor ever kicking in or it's hardly noticeable.

Originally posted by Enyalus
The JLA Shadow Moon feat.

Can I call a "McDuffie" on that? Or... "Plot Induced McDuffie?"

Seriously though... Supes has withstood worse.

Originally posted by illadelph12
facepalm Is that Superman covering his eyes and ears?

Originally posted by batdude123
No, but then again, a mere human wouldn't be able to withstand punching something at and/or around the speed of light (much less go that fast... meh, you know what I mean).

So could it be it protects him from intentional impacts, but not unintentional impacts (throwing a punch vs. receiving a punch)?

Originally posted by batdude123
Can I call a "McDuffie" on that? Or... "Plot Induced McDuffie?"
Sure.

Still, Flash's IMP and whatnot would hurt Superman.

Originally posted by illadelph12
So could it be it protects him from intentional impacts, but not unintentional impacts (throwing a punch vs. receiving a punch)?

You could infer such, although imo that's a stretch. In any case, Flash does possess a rapid healing factor.

It wouldn't stop him from getting KO'd by the likes of Superman, however.

So if Supes speared Flash Goldberg style he'd be in bad shape, and possibly dead, given Supes density and velocity?

Originally posted by illadelph12
So if Supes speared Flash Goldberg style he'd be in bad shape, and possibly dead, given Supes density and velocity? If Flash ran straight into him like an idiot...

Originally posted by Enyalus
Sure.

Still, Flash's IMP and whatnot would still hurt Superman.

Meh, I've seen Flash use the vaunted "IMP" once or twice in his entire history. It's like me running into every Superman thread and yelling "T-VO FTW!!!"

Tbh, I've seen Flash hurt his hand trying to punch Gorilla Grodd more times than I've seen the IMP.

This isn't me saying Flash would break his hand and/or not be able to affect Superman. This is simply me stating that it won't just be a single one-hitter quitter from the Flash to finish Superman.

Originally posted by Charmander
If Flash ran straight into him like an idiot...
Truth.
Flash has been depicted as faster than Supes head-to-head in at least 5 Post-Crisis appearances that I can recall.

If Flash doesn't want Supes to tag him, he's not going to be able to tag him.

Originally posted by illadelph12
So if Supes speared Flash Goldberg style he'd be in bad shape, and possibly dead, given Supes density and velocity?

He wouldn't die.

Delp Which flash did you have in mind?

What if Supes also used himself as a battering ram and wrecked the battlefield so that Flash had trouble maneuvering?

Originally posted by batdude123
Tbh, I've seen Flash hurt his hand trying to punch Gorilla Grodd more times than I've seen the IMP.
Flash has also one-shotted Grodd by punching him at Mach 10, so....

And it isn't like the Shadow Moon feat is a low one for current Supes, durability wise. KO'd by Brainiac's supernova, one-shot by Konvikt, mangled by Atlas...I can't think of anymore really recent examples, but that's probably because I'm tired.

It's not like Superman regularly bounces galaxy-busting attacks off of his chest, either, if we're going in the same vein as Flash's IMP thing.

Originally posted by kgkg
Delp Which flash did you have in mind?

I didn't really have a particular one in mind, but let's just say it's both Wally & Bart in separate but equal scenarios. Jay's sitting this one out.

Originally posted by Enyalus
If Flash doesn't want Supes to tag him, he's not going to be able to tag him.

Flash is without a doubt faster than Superman. However, imo, Superman is fast enough in combat to roll with Flash's punches and catch him with one of his own. Granted, Superman would get licked plenty of times before he'd be able to jaw-jack him.

I'd almost say that a perfect example of what I'm talking about is in Superman/Batman #60, but that was a dream, of sorts. Nevertheless...

Originally posted by Enyalus
Flash has also one-shotted Grodd by punching him at Mach 10, so....

And it isn't like the Shadow Moon feat is a low one for current Supes, durability wise. KO'd by Brainiac's supernova, one-shot by Konvikt, mangled by Atlas...I can't think of anymore really recent examples, but that's probably because I'm tired.

It's not like Superman regularly bounces galaxy-busting attacks off of his chest, either, if we're going in the same vein as Flash's IMP thing.

He's still taken planet-busting attacks, being inside black holes, etc. Not to mention he flew right through that moon of Saturn's before like it was butter.

Indeed. I'm going by averages. And based on your average comic book, Flash would probably surround Supes with a flurry of punches before getting caught by a Superman hook (granted, in this scenario Superman's hands are tied behind his back ).

Superman bites his ear off.

Originally posted by batdude123
Indeed. I'm going by averages. And based on your average comic book, Flash would probably surround Supes with a flurry of punches before getting caught by a Superman hook (granted, in this scenario Superman's hands are tied behind his back ).
That, or Supes stomps the ground and Flash falls over for the loss.

Originally posted by batdude123
He's still taken planet-busting attacks, being inside black holes, etc. Not to mention he flew right through that moon of Saturn's before like it was butter.

Indeed. I'm going by averages. And based on your average comic book, Flash would probably surround Supes with a flurry of punches before getting caught by a Superman hook (granted, in this scenario Superman's hands are tied behind his back ). That sounds like a typical comic book and can happen on the forum, but I guess speedster characters become much more lethal on here when they are fighting full potential all of the way.

Originally posted by Enyalus
That, or Supes stomps the ground and Flash falls over for the loss.

Or that too. lol

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That sounds like a typical comic book and can happen on the forum, but I guess speedster characters become much more lethal on here when they are fighting full potential all of the way.

I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying that Superman has the abilities necessary to strike Wally at least once in a combat scenario. And that's really all he needs.

But I suppose in this instance Superman is at a huge disadvantage with his hands being tied behind his back and everything. lawlz

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying that Superman has the abilities necessary to strike Wally at least once in a combat scenario. And that's really all he needs.

But I suppose in this instance Superman is at a huge disadvantage with his hands being tied behind his back and everything. lawlz I wasn't saying you were, more or less agreeing with you. Wouldn't happen as much in a forum fight, but probably in a comic book. Do you believe it would happen at their peaks (within some reason)?

Speeding headbutt ftw.

Originally posted by batdude123
I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying that Superman has the abilities necessary to strike Wally at least once in a combat scenario. And that's really all he needs.

Wally has a pretty decent healing factor.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Wally has a pretty decent healing factor.

Originally posted by batdude123
In any case, Flash does possess a rapid healing factor.

It wouldn't stop him from getting KO'd by the likes of Superman, however.

i like this thread.

superman can probably get 4-6+/10 with his hands tied behind his back against flash, but the surfer using the same tactic (and can go faster than superman) gets no love.

I like this forum.

Superman will butthead Flash.

This is very likely

Isn't it thought that Flash wins a normal battle, with Superman now handicapped why is there more chance of him winning?