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who wins?

A dream match of epic proportions.

Current state-Angle

Both in Prime- Still probably Angle.

Originally posted by PRAYERRUN
who wins?

Real life? Kurt would...he won the gold for wrestling at the olympics. What has Bret Hart done?

get screwed by HBK

I'd give it kurt. Bret was not actually that great honestly. its just what shawn said: he was good, very, very good but he wasn't great. the whole "best there is, best there was and the best there ever will be" is probably the Canadian national anthem but it aint true. bret was never the best, is never the best and will never be the best. his matches were alright and he never got me interested in the match unless there was someoen good working with him. Angle on the otherhand could wring a match out of the older John Cena and even plods like Batista and Big Show.

~Sado

Man Bret had some of the best fights. Go re-watch his fights with Roddy Pipper and Eddie Guerrero, those were great fights.

hey, never said Bret was bad. i said he was good, very good but to say he was the best is stupid. especially when he has done nothing to make a claim to that.

best due to more championships? Ric Flair has 16, bret has14 and triple H is sure to at least even it out in another few years if not over take him

best due to more intercontinental? Jericho has more

best matches? arguablely HBK and Kurt Angle and Undertaker have put on better matches than him and more consistantly too

the most popular? Steve Austin and the Rock were more popular in their prime than Bret ever was.

most iconic? sorry, Hulk Hogan/Austin take that

most innovative? HBK and Undertaker have been in more unique matches than he ever has.

grandslam? HBK

most royal rumble wins? Austin

undefeated streak? Kurt and Goldberg take that
most of the best matches output? HBK is still putting on matches of the years even now...with a broken back

that's what i'm saying. there is no way he can make the claim that he's the best when other fill these criterias better than he does.
~Sado

Bret Hart was good...but Kurt was better

Originally posted by dvampire
Man Bret had some of the best fights. Go re-watch his fights with Roddy Pipper and Eddie Guerrero, those were great fights.

Bret had a match with Eddie? I didn't know that. I gotta see that.

Steve Austin is iconic?

Originally posted by Bro SMASH
Bret had a match with Eddie? I didn't know that. I gotta see that.

My bad, I meant chris benoit. Sorry!

Wait dont you mean who would the writers script a victory for?

Originally posted by dvampire
My bad, I meant chris benoit. Sorry!

Oh okay. Glad that's cleared up.

i'd go with angle. angles probably the best wrestler out there.

brets saying about being the best is not so much because he saw himself as the best wrestler with all the moves, but because when he wrestled he never injured an opponent or did a move bad.

that's true but neither did HBK or Angle ever injure someone severely IIRC. heck, in terms of "excellence of execution" the unanimous decision tends to Mr. Perfect who even Bret Hart said was the best.

~Sado

Originally posted by Sado22
hey, never said Bret was bad. i said he was good, very good but to say he was the best is stupid. especially when he has done nothing to make a claim to that.

best due to more championships? Ric Flair has 16, bret has14 and triple H is sure to at least even it out in another few years if not over take him

best due to more intercontinental? Jericho has more

best matches? arguablely HBK and Kurt Angle and Undertaker have put on better matches than him and more consistantly too

the most popular? Steve Austin and the Rock were more popular in their prime than Bret ever was.

most iconic? sorry, Hulk Hogan/Austin take that

most innovative? HBK and Undertaker have been in more unique matches than he ever has.

grandslam? HBK

most royal rumble wins? Austin

undefeated streak? Kurt and Goldberg take that
most of the best matches output? HBK is still putting on matches of the years even now...with a broken back

that's what i'm saying. there is no way he can make the claim that he's the best when other fill these criterias better than he does.
~Sado

"Better" matches is subjective.

Oh, and as for saying someone doesn't have a claim to be the best; you just put Jericho over everyone in Ring of Honour in another thread. What do you know?

-AC

lol He did??

i put him over the current guys (minus vets like Taker, HBK etc) in the WWE specifically? anyone willing to argue that John Cena or Randy Orton are better wrestlers than Jericho are welcome to prove me wrong

Originally posted by Sado22
i put him over the current guys (minus vets like Taker, HBK etc) in the WWE specifically? anyone willing to argue that John Cena or Randy Orton are better wrestlers than Jericho are welcome to prove me wrong

Ortons champion and Jericho isn't smurph I win!

damn it...

The Rock and Stone Cold will always be the best IMO and represent the glory days of the WWF.

Now it's cartoon network.

given how they're making Cena look, its more like He-man and the masters of the universe

Originally posted by Sado22
given how they're making Cena look, its more like He-man and the masters of the universe

Cena can put on a good match surprisingly, for some reason WWE kept him as champion for like...a year. Cena is a face character but that doesn't stop the WWE universe from having mixed feelings about him.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
The Rock and Stone Cold will always be the best IMO and represent the glory days of the WWF.

Now it's cartoon network.

I remember the Rock vs Stone Cold WM17, that was a great ending...Stone cold and Vince joining force...no one saw it coming

Originally posted by Sado22
damn it...

biscuits

Angle. Bret was very good, but he wasn't even the best out of his family

In real life angle in a wrestling match bret takes it.

Bret isn't all that great...
I honestly think Foley would be a better contender against Angle.


The glory days of WWF are gone..
But WWE still has some potential talents like Shelton Benjamin, John Morrison.

I just don't like how Vince has turned it into a PG show.
And he's dropped the ball on some talented superstars (ie. Lesnar, Shamrock, Nathan Jones, Matt Morgan)