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NJO Luke vs. Traya and Jedi Exile

Luke wins!

Hello, my name is Nemesis. I will be your tour guide through the land of foregone conclusions. If you will look at the post directly above Vorpal Ruin's first post in the thread you will see our first specimen!

Luke rains death from above in his roflcoptr.

NAUH, Traya can instakill 3 featless Jedi Masters she is da best.

Originally posted by ares834
NAUH, Traya can instakill 3 featless Jedi Masters she is da best. then that makes traya the most powerful jedi/sith in the universe........

aww...





Ares was being facetious.

Originally posted by SWblayde938
then that makes traya the most powerful jedi/sith in the universe........ Not when sidious can create wormholes that can ravage a planets surface...

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Not when sidious can create wormholes that can ravage a planets surface... Well does Traya stand a chance against Luke 1 on 1

Not at all.

Originally posted by SWblayde938
Well does Traya stand a chance against Luke 1 on 1 Traya doesn't stand a chance against a LOT of people, least of all Luke "Force-Titan" Skywalker.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Traya doesn't stand a chance against a LOT of people, least of all Luke "Force-Titan" Skywalker. is nihilus more powerful than luke in force power... cause isn't nihilus one of the most powerful force users ever.

Originally posted by SWblayde938
is nihilus more powerful than luke in force power... cause isn't nihilus one of the most powerful force users ever. His one attack is second only to Palpatine's wormhole. Perhaps it surpasses, but we'll only know that if some source comes out saying that his Super Death Drain is instantaneous. And his Telekinetic abilties seem surpass Galen Marek's.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
His one attack is second only to Palpatine's wormhole. Perhaps it surpasses, but we'll only know that if some source comes out saying that his Super Death Drain is instantaneous. And his Telekinetic abilties seem surpass Galen Marek's. does luke have any special force powers?

by SWblayde938
does luke have any special force powers?

ya for one his "electric judgment" if you could call it that just kills you.

He can also make perfectly real physical replications of things.

Originally posted by SWblayde938
does luke have any special force powers?

He really doesn't have many unique powers, but everything he can do is extremly powerful. Hes probably the most powerful force user ever. The only people that could be argued stronger would be Palpatine or Nyax I think.

I hated the Nyax characters. Such an overpowered and useless literary distraction from the main events.

Wait, Nihilus who pwn Skywalker. HE WOULD DRAIN THE LIFE FROM THE ENTIRE PLANET SKYWALKER IS ON!!!! Nihilus feeds on the Force, and he was attracted to a planet of knights and masters, what do you think would happen when he sensed Skywalker, the most POWERFUL JEDI EVER. I think Nihilus would just go into orbit and kill him. lightsaber or close range Skywalker may win, but Nihilus would just feed off him, then throw him in the fridge for later.

Originally posted by Incanus
Wait, Nihilus who pwn Skywalker. HE WOULD DRAIN THE LIFE FROM THE ENTIRE PLANET SKYWALKER IS ON!!!! Nihilus feeds on the Force, and he was attracted to a planet of knights and masters, what do you think would happen when he sensed Skywalker, the most POWERFUL JEDI EVER. I think Nihilus would just go into orbit and kill him. lightsaber or close range Skywalker may win, but Nihilus would just feed off him, then throw him in the fridge for later. For this to occur as you say it would, could you please refer me to the canonical source which states that Nihilus' Drain is both instantaneous and unblockable?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
For this to occur as you say it would, could you please refer me to the canonical source which states that Nihilus' Drain is both instantaneous and unblockable?
Also will his drain work on Luke if he hides his presence in the Force?

Just a little something I was thinking about. Anakin Skywalker learned a technique to protect himself from the Dark REaper which preforms the same technique as Nihilus. Hence there is a technique to block this "insta-kill" ability.

Well, the "insta-drain" ability. "Insta-kill" belongs to Luke's Emerald Lightning.

Exile would destroy! Nihilis would beat them all tho if he was in the original topic. He did go down like a two dollar hooker in the video game but that is because it was like 3 on one. He drains planets whole ( a power sidious can only dream of because that would make Nihilis his very own deathstar!) In a purist opinion that the force-users in the movies and post movies are watered down and not as powerful as the originals then exile in his own right would own skywalker.

uh just to say you can unlock Nihlus' move if your on the dark side, its called force crush and you get it at the end of the game. now it obviously isnt as powerful as nihlus' but it can kill the average jedi or sith.

the exile would get curbstomped by luke

Wait, but Nihilus power is probably different than the Dark Reaper thing, which i have no clue what it does. But the question is: Does Luke know the ability? i doubt he does, so Nihilus ccan just drain the life from the planet he is on, whether he hides ini the force or not, he couldnt keep it up forever. And there is the fact that if he let it drop for one second, Nihilus would be hit by a very large bullhorn with Skywalkers voice yelling: HEY NIHILUS! IM ON THIS PLANET, COME KILL ME! from 3 feet away it would sound like coming from Luke Force Pwner Skywalker.

I'm fairly sure that the Dark Reaper simply drains Force energy. Nihilus actually severs living beings' connections to the Force and feeds off of the "echoes."

Or something...

DS, that's your cue.

Originally posted by Eminence
I'm fairly sure that the Dark Reaper simply drains Force energy. Nihilus actually severs living beings' connections to the Force and feeds off of the "echoes."

Or something...

DS, that's your cue.

How would you like for me to kill you and then crouch hump you?

Well, i still think Nihilus would pwn Luke..........

Originally posted by Incanus
Well, i still think Nihilus would pwn Luke..........

How? Luke can disconnect/hide from the force.

Wait, he can sever himself from the force at will? Cuz saying disconnect is a poor choice or workd if he cant, but he can hide in the force i know that. But, if it slips for ONE SECOND, then he is as good as dead. I am saying Nihilus would pwn him if he found him.

Severe/hide/disconnect. Whatever

Ok then. But you have to admit, the one second Nihilus senses Luke through the Force, Luke will never live long enough to kil him, as he will drain the entire planet from orbit, like he did to Visas' homeworld, i think its Katarr? Some1 plz correct me if i am wrong

Dr McBeefington
How would you like for me to kill you and then crouch hump you? I suppose that would be the equivalent of what I've done to you for the past few years.

Eh. You can have a couple of the Riders. At least one of them rolls that way, you'll have the pleasure of finding out which one.

Originally posted by Eminence
I suppose that would be the equivalent of what I've done to you for the past few years.

Eh. You can have a couple of the Riders. At least one of them rolls that way, you'll have the pleasure of finding out which one.

Past few years? In the 2 years I've known you you've beaten me maybe 2-3 times. Unless of course you can recollect other times. If not, eat my junk.

Originally posted by Incanus
Ok then. But you have to admit, the one second Nihilus senses Luke through the Force, Luke will never live long enough to kil him, as he will drain the entire planet from orbit, like he did to Visas' homeworld, i think its Katarr? Some1 plz correct me if i am wrong You still need to provide a conclusive source which states that Nihilus' attack is instantaneous.


Originally posted by Dr. McBeefington
Past few years? In the 2 years I've known you you've beaten me maybe 2-3 times. This reminded me of a line from Crimson Skies.


Very nice.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
This reminded me of a line from Crimson Skies.


Very nice.

Which porno was that?

It was that one about the menstruating virgins being raped by Pegasus in mid-air.

Thats...Never been done before.. Innovative.

Lord Lucien
It was that one about the menstruating virgins being raped by Pegasus in mid-air.

Originally posted by Eminence
That's exactly the look the virgins had as well. Rumor has it they weren't actors, just innocent bystanders that bore expressionless looks--that's what happens when pain from rape and shock from it being done by a mythical flying horse collide.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
You still need to provide a conclusive source which states that Nihilus' attack is instantaneous.
KOTOR 2, when you find out the truth of Nihilus and Katarr. There was a great gathering of knights and masters, which Atris was supposed to attend. She didnt because she sensed the thing that was feeding off the life force of force sensitives. So, she arranged the gathering to draw it out. it worked. Nihilus came, and instataneously drained the life from everything, flora and fauna, anything with some breath of the force, all of it died. He was attracted by the masses of knights and masters. Miraculously, Visas somehow survived, but was dying. Nihilus saved her and made her his apprentice.

Originally posted by Incanus
KOTOR 2, when you find out the truth of Nihilus and Katarr. There was a great gathering of knights and masters, which Atris was supposed to attend. She didnt because she sensed the thing that was feeding off the life force of force sensitives. So, she arranged the gathering to draw it out. it worked. Nihilus came, and instataneously drained the life from everything, flora and fauna, anything with some breath of the force, all of it died. He was attracted by the masses of knights and masters. Miraculously, Visas somehow survived, but was dying. Nihilus saved her and made her his apprentice. Yes, we know what happened. What you need to do is provide the quote from a character or passage from an approved encyclopedia that states that Nihilus didn't need any time to "charge" his attack, or any requisite to use it.

Well, considering how Nihilus appeared 2 times, and the second he dosnt do anything cuz it his holocron, then i cant. At least not without time, i need to replay Kotor 2 for it. It is somewhere in the talking with either Kreia or Visas. Maybe Atris. Atris DID say she organized it to draw him out.

Nihilus' attack on Telos would make absolutely no sense if he could perform his attack any time at will. He took a long-ass time orbiting Telos. So long in fact that he let the Exile, Canderous and his Mandolorians, and Visas to board the Ravager, fight through its crew, talk to Tobin, and make it to him (Nihilus). In all that time, his fleet was fighting the Republic forces and he never even bothered to initiate his Drain. WTF.

I think it was because he wanted to meet the Exile so he could kill her, or make Visas do it. To him, she was still his apprentice, draining everything would kill her to. He didnt expect her betrayal.

Maybe. Or maybe he was so far removed from reality as a result of his... "condition" that he just didn't care and/or notice what was really going on.

Idk, i just know a that moment he would not have been able/willing to use it. I dont think he had fed in a while, so he was waiting for prisoners instead of draining the planet. Remember, Katarr had alot of force sensitives on it, and he had not fed for a while, he was starving. He drained the planet and then went to drain survivors. You know about Visas though.

Kreia described Nihilus rather differently. Obviously, to him, draining a planet and feeding on the mass death of all cellular lifeforms would do so much more for him than individual people (that's actually why he came to Telos). He was either out of it at that moment, "charging" his attack, or he was just plain retarded. Either way.

I think its the retarded thing because he couldnt sense Visas was going to help kill him.

Wasn't it just because he was confused at there being no Jedi on the planet? I mean, this was the guy who thought he could survive having his ship blow up.

Nihilus dosnt breathe, so yeah he could. He most likely was suprised to learn of no jedi. But Bastila was near, he may have been searching around to find her. That way he could move around to find a better spot, then drain the planet without killing his troops, because he needs them.

since when doesn't he have to breathe

Apparantly he was simply possessing his armour, as it says in the legacy comics, though that might refer to after he Exile defeated him.

oh yeah, thats why darth krayt consulted his holocron.

Yeah, Nihilus has no body whatsoever. He is simply a spirit pretty much inhabiting a mask, robe, gloves, and boots. He lost his flesh to his hunger long ago. I think Kreia said that, not sure if its canon.

Originally posted by Incanus
I think its the retarded thing because he couldnt sense Visas was going to help kill him.

So sidious is retarded because he couldn't sense vader killing him...........

Look you like to put your own Inferences into events and think that those Inferences are canon even though they are just Speculation NOT canon

so Nihilus's drain is more than likely something he has to charge because of what Lucien has already said BUT that still isn't canon. It just makes the most logical sense.

Or maybe he was trying to see if Bastila was there like he most likely sensed. Why esle would he go there? Not that many people on Citadel Station.

He was more than prepared to use it against the Exile. I didn't see any "charging" there.

Originally posted by Eminence
He was more than prepared to use it against the Exile. I didn't see any "charging" there. But against the planet was my point of contention.

There isn't any evidence for that, either. It isn't even suggested. Meanwhile, Visas, perhaps cryptically, states that when Nihilus "spoke," Katarr died.

But of course, this is why for the past two or three years I've proposed a boycott on KOTOR characters. They're called "unknowns" for a reason.

Originally posted by Eminence
There isn't any evidence for that, either. It isn't even suggested. Meanwhile, Visas, perhaps cryptically, states that when Nihilus "spoke," Katarr died.

But of course, this is why for the past two or three years I've proposed a boycott on KOTOR characters. They're called "unknowns" for a reason. What don't you f*cking understand? Revan+Exile=Mega Palaptine.

Dude! Revan alone equals Mega Palpatine!

Guess whoooo!

Originally posted by Incanus
Yeah, Nihilus has no body whatsoever. He is simply a spirit pretty much inhabiting a mask, robe, gloves, and boots. He lost his flesh to his hunger long ago. I think Kreia said that, not sure if its canon. She said he was more presence than flesh. So yeah, he has a body... somewhat... I think.

Originally posted by Eminence
Dude! Revan alone equals Mega Palpatine!

Duh.

Revan outpowers palpatine! Palpatine only got as far as he did by manipulating things behind the scenes. Revan ruled by power and would destroy everyone if needed!

Originally posted by ParaGod911
Revan outpowers palpatine! Palpatine only got as far as he did by manipulating things behind the scenes. Revan ruled by power and would destroy everyone if needed!

Revan out-powers Palpatine? I think not.

Can you list some of Revan's feats? I'll list Palpatine's when you do, and we'll compare.

Why would I need to? Sidious has been whupped by Mace and Vader and would of been destroyed by Yoda if he had more of a chance before reinforcements came in! Revan has only got bested once when he was squaring off against several powerful jedi and a sucker punch from Malak's ship that knocked him unconscious. Sidious came back in EU w/ a younger clone body and got whupped again! Way too many failed attempts. Sidious is pure Sith and only knows that part and can only dwell on that power while Revan was a Jedi first before a Sith with actual battle experience in the Mandalorion wars. If give u this sidious is sneakier than a used car salesman but in a battle w/ revan he would go down like a two-dollar hooker! Not to sound to much like a purist but it is easily to see how previous older force sensitives where stronger than the watered down versions in the movies because they can only get information passed down to them or by dusty old holocrons left by powerful sith such as Revan!

Originally posted by ParaGod911
Why would I need to? Sidious has been whupped by Mace and Vader and would of been destroyed by Yoda if he had more of a chance before reinforcements came in! Revan has only got bested once when he was squaring off against several powerful jedi and a sucker punch from Malak's ship that knocked him unconscious. Sidious came back in EU w/ a younger clone body and got whupped again! Way too many failed attempts. Sidious is pure Sith and only knows that part and can only dwell on that power while Revan was a Jedi first before a Sith with actual battle experience in the Mandalorion wars. If give u this sidious is sneakier than a used car salesman but in a battle w/ revan he would go down like a two-dollar hooker! Not to sound to much like a purist but it is easily to see how previous older force sensitives where stronger than the watered down versions in the movies because they can only get information passed down to them or by dusty old holocrons left by powerful sith such as Revan!

Oscar Delahoya has been beat up more times than i have, so that means i can take him.

that's a bad example...replace oscar delahoya with say..... a very dirt lawyer (because sidious would b sneaky like that). plus the hole in ur statement is that ur not even in the same weight class.

ParaGod, I'm a big fan of Revan but he was no match for Sidious. Sidious was the most powerful Sith so far in SW recorded history. And you're wrong about Revan having the 1st combat experience. Try Malak. We don't know how powerful Revan could have been been because his stint as a Sith was cut short.

Originally posted by ParaGod911
Why would I need to? Sidious has been whupped by Mace and Vader and would of been destroyed by Yoda if he had more of a chance before reinforcements came in! Revan has only got bested once when he was squaring off against several powerful jedi and a sucker punch from Malak's ship that knocked him unconscious. Sidious came back in EU w/ a younger clone body and got whupped again! Way too many failed attempts. Sidious is pure Sith and only knows that part and can only dwell on that power while Revan was a Jedi first before a Sith with actual battle experience in the Mandalorion wars. If give u this sidious is sneakier than a used car salesman but in a battle w/ revan he would go down like a two-dollar hooker! Not to sound to much like a purist but it is easily to see how previous older force sensitives where stronger than the watered down versions in the movies because they can only get information passed down to them or by dusty old holocrons left by powerful sith such as Revan! Every single new member here, has, at one point or another, placed Revan above Palaptine.

I give u that he is one of the most powerful sith. but give me this, revan might have been stinted as a sith because he turned away from it but he continued to grow as a jedi. while I do not think light is more powerful than dark but is balanced. What has sidious achieved that Revan did not they both conquered a galaxy. Tactics may have difered but nonetheless they did. opinion has nothing to do with my birthdate on my forum profile. I just tend to side w revan on this one. im sorry im not biased and I give credit when credit is do.

Originally posted by ParaGod911
I give u that he is one of the most powerful sith. but give me this, revan might have been stinted as a sith because he turned away from it but he continued to grow as a jedi. while I do not think light is more powerful than dark but is balanced. What has sidious achieved that Revan did not they both conquered a galaxy. Tactics may have difered but nonetheless they did. opinion has nothing to do with my birthdate on my forum profile. I just tend to side w revan on this one. im sorry im not biased and I give credit when credit is do. Can Revan open up a wormhole in space that can consume thousands of ships?

im not saying that he had first combat experience tho I was saying that he at least had combat experience by participating in the war instead of pulling the strings. know what I mean?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Every single new member here, has, at one point or another, placed Revan above Palaptine.

LIES!! I haven't done that while being serious.

YOU LIE!!!!!!

Liar.














Revan is above Palpatine though.

Originally posted by ParaGod911
that's a bad example...replace oscar delahoya with say..... a very dirt lawyer (because sidious would b sneaky like that). plus the hole in ur statement is that ur not even in the same weight class.

No it's not. You implied Revan was superior to Sidious, because Sidious has been defeated the most.

Now tell me, how can Revan over-power Sidious in combat?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Every single new member here, has, at one point or another, placed Revan above Palaptine. Not me, which is why I really like this site. Most forum sites go along with Revan, and ignore canon proof.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Not me, which is why I really like this site. Most forum sites go along with Revan, and ignore canon proof. Yeah... you should've checked this place out four years ago.

Hey, i would have said Revan is better, but then i found out about Palpatines feats................................. Nihilus can kill Palpatine though if he is lucky that he catches him and can drain him.

Originally posted by SIDIOUS 66
Not me, which is why I really like this site. Most forum sites go along with Revan, and ignore canon proof. Semper Fi, man.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Every single new member here, has, at one point or another, placed Revan above Palaptine.

This is false.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
This is false. Well of course I didn't mean the smart ones, they're never really "new", just absent for an undetermined amount of history.

Not me, i placed him above "in teh zone!111! anakin" once and got slapped down for it...

Yeah well I put him above DN Luke. *One-ups Anderson*

Originally posted by ParaGod911
IWhat has sidious achieved that Revan did not they both conquered a galaxy. Tactics may have difered but nonetheless they did.
Revan conqured the Galaxy this is news to me...

Originally posted by Nephthys
Yeah well I put him above DN Luke. *One-ups Anderson* It's because your constantly and unredeemably wrong.

Nah, I just didn't even know they had stuff about post-Endor Luke back then. So I shut up, listened to what everyone said, and here I am, right 90% of the time (note: that number may be off by 9%) .

As for Sidious against revan,

For one, george lucas says that sideous is the most powerful sith in history. Revan is a sith, and he is in history, making him < sidious. This much is G canon.

the following is a comparing of feats in the same genre.

Mind control:

Sidious has influenced the outcome of battles and the minds of millions across the galaxy from coruscaunt through the force. Revan learned a language by taking it from the minds of the rakatan.

Sidious wins.

Lightsaber Skills:
We have nothing from revan. One of the ancient jedi had a vision with revan with his sword open so we know he must at least had some saber fighting with malak. Sidious defeated yoda, the greatest foe the galaxy had ever known.

Force:
This is where it gets tricky. Technically, game mechanics =/= canon but for the sake of continuity, i will list a few.

The highest form of lightning that you can learn in the game, force storm, does simultaneous damage to up to 5 targets and can instantly kill things like beggars, nubs, thugs, civilians, etc, but has a hard time against sith and soldiers, taking two-three casts to kill them.

Sidious has the potential to vaporize warriors with his lightning in less than one second. He has also created a force storm that has ravaged entire planets.


Knowledge:
revan has the combined knowledge of the ancient sith.

Sidious has the combined knowledge of both sith and jedi holocrons for 6000 years, more than anyone in history. He has also had 70+ years to perfect his techniques.


Sidious obviously wins by any account.

"Sideous?"


I'ma eat your children.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, I just didn't even know they had stuff about post-Endor Luke back then. So I shut up, listened to what everyone said, and here I am, right 90% of the time (note: that number may be off by 9%) . hmm you forgot a 0. your post should have looked like this:

Originally posted by Nephthys
Nah, I just didn't even know they had stuff about post-Endor Luke back then. So I shut up, listened to what everyone said, and here I am, right 90% of the time (note: that number may be off by 90%) .

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
"Sideous?"


I'ma eat your children. what are you on about now?

Lucien, always wait 15 minutes before you do that.

Damn it! Now I look a fool. Well you've done it once, shame on you. Fool me twice...

The point is I'm not gonna get fooled again.

This is so appropriate.

My direct reference. I don't know how many times I've seen that.

Originally posted by Eminence


This is so appropriate.

That made me LOL in rl. Thank you.