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Karl learns of his brothers death, wants revenge, just like in DH1. Vorstedt (LW2), just happening to be in Nakatomi plaza when the terrorists took over, is mistaken by Karl for his brothers killer. The two fire at each other until they are out of ammo.

They emerge from cover and face off h2h on the rooftop of the building.

Who wins?

I'd say Karl based on age advantages, size, reach, technique and fitness.

Gonna go with Vorstedt. He seemed to have martial arts training.

In an actual fight, most of the airy slappy tournament style shit you speak of gets pwned immediately by less flashy, more brutally violent/effective side of martial arts as practiced by Karl.

So does Karl.

Karl has more durability.

He survived a beating by McClane and a strangling, and it took multiple heavy assed slugs gunshots to finally stop him.

That was prolly due to the rage. Wonder how he'd do if he was just walking along and V engaged him.

It'd enrage him and the outcome would be the same.

Besides. Rage is mostly harmful to the person enraged, in terms of wasting all his adrenaline early, being too uptight to let shit flow fast , being prone to blindsiding etc..

Vorstedt definitely had the worst haircut of the two.

Youre right. That is so relevant in combat.

Gotta look good in the heat of battle!!!

Welll Vorstedt wouldnt have to look good for very long.

Meh, they're both eurotrash.

So South Africa is in Europe now...? LOL

Have you ever seen a map/atlas/globe...?


Say what you will about Karl, but if he had your navigational skills, he would have turned up to meet the others in Nepal, instead of LA...

His accent was obviously european, wasn't it? I meant where he originated from, dude.

No. It was broadly South African.

Sounded European to me.

Maybe, in the sense that your Texan accent might sound Mexican to a Chinaman.

Riggs and Murtaugh knew it was a weird accent compared to Europes.

Que? No comprende.

no me odie porque hermoso

No tener sentido.