The Protege vs The Fury

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leonidas
lots of people seem to think protege's 'defeat' at scathan's hands was utter PIS. so, in a non-pis battle, who wins this uber-cosmic-throwdown?

Enyalus
Protege at his peak would **** The Fury up.

leonidas
i thought the fury could adapt to essentially any level of attack, no?

Enyalus
Originally posted by leonidas
i thought the fury could adapt to essentially any level of attack, no?
He was spent teleporting across universes battling MJJ. Protege = above MJJ.

Survivor19
Let us say, Fury integrated Power Gem.
What transpires now?

leonidas
Originally posted by Survivor19
Let us say, Fury integrated Power Gem.
What transpires now?

no reason to say that though. this isn't protege with lt's powers, just protege with his abilities vs fury with his abilities.

Enyalus
Originally posted by leonidas
no reason to say that though. this isn't protege with lt's powers, just protege with his abilities vs fury with his abilities.
Ah, I see.

Fury wins, then.

Lord Feron
Originally posted by Enyalus
Ah, I see.

Fury wins, then.

starlock
The Protege stomps fury...easy and quick!

Galan007
Originally posted by leonidas
this isn't protege with lt's powers, just protege with his abilities vs fury with his abilities. hmm, protege would immediately duplicate fury's adaptive powers, thus, they'd both be counter-adapting to each others attacks, instantly - so most might lean towards a stalemate.

however, i personally view fury's power as more finite than protege's that said, i'm going with protege.

Nihilist
Fury adapts a muzzle ftw.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Galan007
hmm, protege would immediately duplicate fury's adaptive powers, thus, they'd both be counter-adapting to each others attacks, instantly - so most might lean towards a stalemate.

Or Fury glances at him, instantly analyzing Protege's abilities before Protege can do so to him, and adapts anti-adapting powers FTW. stick out tongue

Knowsbleed33
It would be a stalemate if Protege starts at base level.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Galan007

hmm, protege would immediately duplicate fury's adaptive powers, thus, they'd both be counter-adapting to each others attacks, instantly - so most might lean towards a stalemate.
thumb up This is a good assessment of what is, and might happen.
Originally posted by Enyalus

Or Fury glances at him, instantly analyzing Protege's abilities before Protege can do so to him, and adapts anti-adapting powers FTW.
Although my good friend Eny is being humorous,
this idea is quite plausible. thumb up
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

It would be a stalemate if Protege starts at base level.
Most likely scenario imo. thumb up

A base Protege can not inflict the same damge that 616 MJJ can,
so Fury getting spent vs MJJ is not quite a good comparison imo.

Remember dear friends,
base Protege got owned by Post-Retcon Beyonder,
because Protege initially didn't see the attack,
it was only after Protege saw the next attack,
that Protege was able to stalemate Beyonder,
and indeed surpass him soon enough.

Imo, if Protege never gains other powers,
they'll be equals.
As for who has the greater endurance?

Hmm... Fury has ridiculous durability, surpassing that of Eternity,
and Protege was never hit hard by anything significant while at base level,
Beyonder only sneakily smacked em once and trapped em in some make-shift prison,
so, I really don't know what his form can stand while at base level.

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by leonidas
i thought the fury could adapt to essentially any level of attack, no? yeah but Protege copies that ablity & gains adaptation powa stick out tongue
Originally posted by Enyalus
Or Fury glances at him, instantly analyzing Protege's abilities before Protege can do so to him, and adapts anti-adapting powers FTW. stick out tongue and Protege copies that too stick out tongue



how about Protege vs superadaptoid?

Xplosive
No no. Protégé is far too powerful for Fury to adapt for him. Even Protégé had limits. Fury wasn't almighty, far from it, so he can't adapt to anyone and Protégé would show that limit.

At his peak, Protégé for the easy win.

Enyalus
Originally posted by Xplosive
At his peak, Protégé for the easy win.
Read Leo's posts.

SoulDevourer
about the durablity thing theres things that dont make sense


Fury can resist universe nulification yet Scatterbrain can dig her nails into it & Linda can rip out its spine ? (bet that woudnt work against Ultron big grin)

I mean Fury shoud be like zillions of times harder then adamantium if it can resist universe-destroying power right? (unless Scatterbrain & Linda have universe-lvl strenght lol)

Originally posted by Xplosive
No no. Protégé is far too powerful for Fury to adapt for him. Even Protégé had limits. Fury wasn't almighty, far from it, so he can't adapt to anyone and Protégé would show that limit.

At his peak, Protégé for the easy win. wtf happen to the letters? huh

Knowsbleed33
Originally posted by SoulDevourer
how about Protege vs superadaptoid?

Fury>Super-Adaptoid by a comfortable margin.

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Fury>Super-Adaptoid by a comfortable margin. until superadaptoid copies fury & becomes {superadaptoid+fury} = superfury stick out tongue

Knowsbleed33
let me know when Super-Adaptoid copies the LT's powers k?

SoulDevourer
yeah but i didnt say SA vs LT (hmm but why not come 2 think of it stick out tongue)

Knowsbleed33
You said "Protege vs. Super-Adaptoid".

What makes you think this would be a good fight?

SoulDevourer
k k i said that cause at base Protege is jus human. so if he can copy LTs powers then maybe SA can too. indirectly embarrasment
(like SA can copy Proteges ablity to copy LT if u get my drift)

Knowsbleed33
Protege can copy the LT's powers because he was bred to become God, TOAA, the supreme being.

Super-Adaptoid wasn't.

Xplosive
Originally posted by Enyalus
Read Leo's posts.

Aha, I didn't see, because it wasn't in his first post in this thread.

Then, I could agree with stalemate.

Battlehammer
The fury? The one that the x-men fought?

Knowsbleed33
Originally posted by Battlehammer
The fury? The one that the x-men fought?

The one that killed 616 Jaspers.

Mr Master
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

about the durablity thing theres things that dont make sense
Yea?
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

Fury can resist universe nulification

yet Scatterbrain can dig her nails into it

& Linda can rip out its spine ?

(bet that woudnt work against Ultron)
Fury can resit nullification. Correct.

Scatterbrain got owned immediately
after using her Time-based Omniversal attack on Fury.

Linda ripped Fury's spine out after Fury was weakened
from battling GOD across UniverseS.

Ultron? laughing
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

I mean Fury shoud be like zillions of times harder then adamantium if it can resist universe-destroying power right?
(unless Scatterbrain & Linda have universe-lvl strenght lol)
Always love when cats post without knowledge of the circumstances involved.

Mr Master
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

Protege can copy the LT's powers because he was bred to become God, TOAA, the supreme being.

Super-Adaptoid wasn't.
thumb up

Super-Adaptoid was no joke,
but its ability to replicate went as far as a Cube being (Kubik's to be exact)
very impressive, but that's far beneath what Protege accomplished.

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by Mr Master
Scatterbrain got owned immediately
after using her Time-based Omniversal attack on Fury.

Scatterbrain's attack was a conciousness expanding attack (that forces your conciosness to rapidly expand thru time and space) causing disortientation and then unconciousness. Calling it a "time-based omniversal attack" kinda overstates what it is.

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Mr Master
Yea?

Fury can resit nullification. Correct.

Scatterbrain got owned immediately
after using her Time-based Omniversal attack on Fury.

Linda ripped Fury's spine out after Fury was weakened
from battling GOD across UniverseS.

Ultron? laughing

Always love when cats post without knowledge of the circumstances involved. wait it wuz less durable after fight? dontgetit

Mr Master
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

]wait it wuz less durable after fight? dontgetit
After battling "GOD" across UniverseS?

.. yea.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Scatterbrain's attack was a conciousness expanding attack (that forces your conciosness to rapidly expand thru time and space) causing disortientation and then unconciousness.

Calling it a "time-based omniversal attack" kinda overstates what it is.
Scatterbrain expands your consciousness in an instant
across time on an Omniversal scale,
that's a fact,
therefore it's a time-based Omniversal attack,
because it involves the Omniverse's infinite breath.

Now this is not controlling time in anyway,
I hope that's not mis-understood,
but she does control one's perception of time on any scale she wishes.

Disorientation and then unconsciousness"

Only if that's what Scatterbrain wants,
which at this point your consciousness would not billow across all of time.

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Mr Master
After battling "GOD" across UniverseS?

.. yea. it didnt look that bad after the fight in fact it look intact
it just look tired or something


anyho

how can it get less durable after a fight? huh

say when Ultron wuz fighting the Sentry & then he run away (or wuz it female Ultron not sure now), did the adamantium on Ultrons armor get softer after the fight?

SoulDevourer
also how strong wuz the Fury when Scatterbrain dig her nails into it?

Enyalus
Jesus, dude, you're really hung up on this, huh? How many times have you had it explained to you?

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by Mr Master

Scatterbrain expands your consciousness in an instant
across time on an Omniversal scale,
that's a fact,
therefore it's a time-based Omniversal attack,
because it involves the Omniverse's infinite breath.

Now this is not controlling time in anyway,
I hope that's not mis-understood,
but she does control one's perception of time on any scale she wishes.

Disorientation and then unconsciousness"

Only if that's what Scatterbrain wants,
which at this point your consciousness would not billow across all of time.

But how you keep stating the attack works seems to allude to the fact that you want people to think that the attack is of a temporal nature and you even once stated that the Fury managed to resist a temporal attack using this as a basis.

As indicated by this post of yours in the Solar vs Fury thread about Fury being affected by a time freeze attack by Solar:

Originally posted by Mr Master

Scatterbrain's omniversal time-based attack proved unworthy of hurting Fury.


I think you're overstating the attack that Scatterbrain has by a HUGE degree. It's kinda like stating someone that has the power to imitate the Hulk's breath as having a "Hulk-powered ability". It is a mental attack with a unique effect, that is why the Fury simply switched off his brain to resist the attack.

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Enyalus
Jesus, dude, you're really hung up on this, huh? How many times have you had it explained to you? ? 0

Mr Master
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

it didnt look that bad after the fight in fact
it look intact it just look tired or something
According to on panel/Handbook corroborated evidence,
the Fury was severely weakend
after battling MJJ616 ("GOD"wink acrossd UniverseS.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

how can it get less durable after a fight?
no expression I don't know, uhh, by taking damage from "GOD?"
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

say when Ultron wuz fighting the Sentry & then he run away (or wuz it female Ultron not sure now), did the adamantium on Ultrons armor get softer after the fight?
???
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

also how strong wuz the Fury when Scatterbrain dig her nails into it?
That was before the CPU absorption.

Mr Master
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
But how you keep stating the attack works seems to allude to the fact that you want people to think that the attack is of a temporal nature and you even once stated that the Fury managed to resist a temporal attack using this as a basis.

As indicated by this post of yours in the Solar vs Fury thread about Fury being affected by a time freeze attack by Solar:


I think you're overstating the attack that Scatterbrain has by a HUGE degree. It's kinda like stating someone that has the power to imitate the Hulk's breath as having a "Hulk-powered ability". It is a mental attack with a unique effect, that is why the Fury simply switched off his brain to resist the attack.
Your consciousness expands across the Omniverse in an instant,
that's what Scatterbrain does to ya if she wishes to fry your brain.

Your consciousness literally travels across time on an Omniversal scale,
it's simple as that.

If you can't accept that, that's cool friend, but those are the facts.

As for Fury shutting it's brain off,
yes of course, your consciousness comes from your brain.

SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Mr Master
According to on panel/Handbook corroborated evidence,
the Fury was severely weakend
after battling MJJ616 ("GOD"wink acrossd UniverseS.

no expression I don't know, uhh, by taking damage from "GOD?"

???

That was before the CPU absorption. yeah but it looked the same before/after the cave thing, before:/after fight with mjj

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8990/1701.jpg

cept for a bit of smoke else it look intact (weaker but not damaged)
the same armor & all that. the purple stuff or w/e its made of. it didnt loo, different heck there wasnt even crack in it huh
did they say it evolved xtra layer of armor or something?




oh btw there the ep with Blink stick out tongue

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by Mr Master
Your consciousness expands across the Omniverse in an instant,
that's what Scatterbrain does to ya if she wishes to fry your brain.

Your consciousness literally travels across time on an Omniversal scale,
it's simple as that.

If you can't accept that, that's cool friend, but those are the facts.

As for Fury shutting it's brain off, yes of course, your consciousness comes from your brain.



Which still points out that this is a MENTAL attack not a time/space attack. Stop calling it a omniversal attack. Scatterbrain's ability wasn't really all that impressive.

Mr Master
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Which still points out that this is a MENTAL attack not a time/space attack.
If it was just "mental" ... then your consciousness would not be affected,
just the mind.

Like Xavier for instance, he's a master of the mind,
but he can't expand your consciousness even across a city block.

It just so happens that your consciousness derives from your brain,
but the consciousness is much more than just the organ it originates from.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Stop calling it a omniversal attack.
I'll call it what it is.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Scatterbrain's ability wasn't really all that impressive.
That's a matter of opinion,
in which case is your opinion, and therefore will not be debated.

Imo though, Scatterbrain is no joke.

Joyboy, another member of Technet, attacks you mentally,
not Scatterbrain though,
who attacks your actual consciousness,
literally forcing it to expand across the entire Omniverse.

This means you become one (consciously) with everything in all Timelines across the Omniverse.

If you need the on panel proof, supported by the Handbooks, holla. smile

Mr Master
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

yeah but it looked the same before/after the cave thing, before:/after fight with mjj

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/8990/1701.jpg

cept for a bit of smoke else it look intact (weaker but not damaged)
the same armor & all that. the purple stuff or w/e its made of. it didnt loo, different heck there wasnt even crack in it
did they say it evolved xtra layer of armor or something?
The Fury may have looked the same,
but its energy stores were depleted, (he was fighting GOD for crying out loud)
making it damaged goods until it regenerates again.

Now discussing whether or not Fury was weakend after battling Jaspers is a moot argument,
because it's a 100% undebatable fact.
Originally posted by SoulDevourer

oh btw there the ep with Blink stick out tongue
That's Clairemont's Fury, not Moore's.

He put PIS in the story to defeat Fury,
but he at-least kept it real concerning Jaspers,
although, the story alludes to it not really being either of them.

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by Mr Master
If it was just "mental" ... then your consciousness would not be affected,
just the mind.

The way the Fury negated the attack seems to point out that it requires that its brain was the one affected more than it's consciousness. It didn't switch off it's consciousness did it?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Like Xavier for instance, he's a master of the mind,
but he can't expand your consciousness even across a city block.

Different abilities, different effects. Calling Cyclops' and Human Torch's powers as "energy projection abilities" doesn't mean they have similar effects to each of them.

Originally posted by Mr Master
It just so happens that your consciousness derives from your brain,
but the consciousness is much more than just the organ it originates from.

The Fury didn't turn off his consciousness during the attack did it? It switched off it's physical brain.

No time to reply to the rest. I'll be back later to reply to the rest. smile

Mr Master
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

The way the Fury negated the attack seems to point out that it requires that its brain was the one affected more than it's consciousness. It didn't switch off it's consciousness did it?
Actually, you should read the book before commenting on it,
this is what I always advise members in order to avoid circles.

When Fury shut off its brain,
it shut of its consciousness,
this is why the Moore clearly points out,
that the Fury is now relying on instinct,
since it lost its ability to process thought with consciousness,
due to it shutting down it's brain.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Different abilities, different effects. Calling Cyclops' and Human Torch's powers as "energy projection abilities" doesn't mean they have similar effects to each of them.
No doubt.

Fascination (Scatterbrain) attacks the consciousness,
Xavier attacks just the mind.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

No time to reply to the rest. I'll be back later to reply to the rest.
Unles you'r gonna post proof to support your opinions,
don't bother.
I on the other hand will post the evidence, tomorrow,
when I get home from work.

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, you should read the book before commenting on it,
this is what I always advise members in order to avoid circles.

When Fury shut off its brain,
it shut of its consciousness,
this is why the Moore clearly points out,
that the Fury is now relying on instinct,
since it lost its ability to process thought with consciousness,
due to it shutting down it's brain.

I'll have to reread the scan, I don't recall anything that said that the consciousness was switched off, but even then, it seemed to point to a more "physical" consciousness more than the intangible consciousness you alluded to.

You fail to see my point. It seems to be indicated in the scan that the "consciousness" they alluded to wass simply a part of the brain's function (or at least the Fury's brain). Meaning that the attack is NOT AN OMNIVERSAL/TEMPORAL attack. But one that targets the brain.

Meaning, we still need to go back to my point that being able to resist Scatterbrain's attack has NOTHING to do with resisting anything Omniversal OR Temporal.

Again, an example would be that Sentry throws enemies into the sun as a means to defeat them, being able resist being thrown into the sun by avoiding him grabbing you does NOT mean that you can resist the sun's heat.

Originally posted by Mr Master

No doubt.

Fascination (Scatterbrain) attacks the consciousness,
Xavier attacks just the mind.


Both are attacks that target a brain function with different effects. Calling one simply a TP attack and the other an "Omniversal-Temporal" attack is just silly.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Unles you'r gonna post proof to support your opinions,
don't bother.
I on the other hand will post the evidence, tomorrow,
when I get home from work.

Cool. Post the scan, even tho I've seen the scan 100x already. It would be nice to get a refresher. I believe that you simply read into it too much and exaggerated the effect like 1000000fold.

Mr Master
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

I'll have to reread the scan, I don't recall anything that said that the consciousness was switched off, but even then, it seemed to point to a more "physical" consciousness more than the intangible consciousness you alluded to.
If you want it to mean that. that's fine, I only go by what's depicted on panel artistically,
and then corroborated in Handbooks.

(a combination of the two is undebatable, if it's just On Panel showings, that's good enough)
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

You fail to see my point. It seems to be indicated in the scan that the "consciousness" they alluded to wass simply a part of the brain's function (or at least the Fury's brain). Meaning that the attack is NOT AN OMNIVERSAL/TEMPORAL attack. But one that targets the brain.
Scatterbrain attacks the Consciousness, it's as simple as that,
I'm starting to not care what your point is,
since it ha nothing to do with Scatterbrain.

Scatterbrain expands the actual Consciousness across the Omniverse,
it is stated On Panel to be a Time-based effect!!

Scatterbrain can manipulate the scale of this attack,
so as to not fry everyone she uses it on.

Good lord.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Meaning, we still need to go back to my point that being able to resist Scatterbrain's attack has NOTHING to do with resisting anything Omniversal OR Temporal.
That's you unsupported opinion,
which without proof is inconsequential.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Again, an example would be that Sentry throws enemies into the sun as a means to defeat them, being able resist being thrown into the sun by avoiding him grabbing you does NOT mean that you can resist the sun's heat.
Irrelevant analogy.

This has nothing to do with Scatterbrain, and her power.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Both are attacks that target a brain function with different effects. Calling one simply a TP attack and the other an "Omniversal-Temporal" attack is just silly.
We'll see who's "silly" in about 1.7 seconds.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Cool. Post the scan, even tho I've seen the scan 100x already. It would be nice to get a refresher. I believe that you simply read into it too much and exaggerated the effect like 1000000fold.
You saw the scans "100x already" and still didn't realize what it depicted/said?

And you call me "silly?" laughing

And I "exaggerated the scan 1000000fold?"

************

Look down below in the next Post ...

... then see who's talking out of their ass,

calling others "silly"

and accusing others of "exaggerating the scans 1000000fold" ...

Mr Master
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The debate here between D_Dude and I is,

is Scatterbrain's power a Time-Based Attack on an Omniversal scale or not?


Ok true debaters (no haters please) weigh in your stance according to the On Panel evidence.

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http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1920142_Scatterbrain1.jpg

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1920145_Scatterbrain2.jpg


"Time distorts around her.
Motion breaks down into juddering stroboscopic images.
Seconds stretch into centuries.
Aeons condense into instants"


http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1920144_Scatterbrain3.jpg

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Fascination (Scatterbrain) wasn't even trying to hurt Brian,
and she knocked him out cold.

When Scatterbrain wants to hurt you,
this TIME affect expands across the Omniverse!

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1920140_Scatterbrain.jpg

"And with her touch,
the guard finds his Consciousness
instantly expanded across the Infinite breadth of the Omniverse"


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I'm such a "silly" person, that "exaggerates scans 100000xfold" ... srugdoped

Mr Master
swank

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So ... we noticed (with On Panel) evidence,
that Scatterbrain's power is a Time-based attack, (by expansion and/or contraction)
that specifically targets one's consciousness.

By way of On Panel evidence we see this effect can be controlled by her,
to K.O you, or to fry your brain.

In the case of the Fury, did she also attack his "Consciousness?" hm

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Now imagine the kind of attack
Scatterbrain unleashed on the Fury after he killed some of her team mates:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1920150_Scatterbrain4.jpg

"Everything is suddenly moving so slowly ...
...female interfering with Temporal Lobe of brain ...
and so it shuts its brain down ...
and it switches its Consciousness to the auxiliary nervous system in its back"

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1920151_Scatterbrain5.jpg

"And then it hits her ... it learns ... it learns fast"

..........................................................................................................


Her touch is all that's needed,
yet she clawed her fingers into the Fury's head like a savage!

Fury immediately adapted, and owned Scatterbrain,
and Brian who tried to help.

..........................................................................................................


Respect the Fury dogs. yes

D_Dude1210
Again, it's a "consciousness expanding" mental attack. What you see there in the narration is how the effects felt as experienced by its victims, writers do that sometimes to make the sensation a bit more personal. There is no time manipulation here, only overstated opinions on how it works.

In fact, the Fury's analysis of the attack fits my argument perfectly:

"Female is Interfering with the Temporal Lobe of Brain"

That's all her attack does. Interfere with the Temporal Lobe...

Mr Master
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Again, it's a "consciousness expanding" mental attack. What you see there in the narration is how the effects felt as experienced by its victims, writers do that sometimes to make the sensation a bit more personal.
This is just more of the same shit
your unsupported opinion, and now telling us what the Writer meant,
other than what is clearly written On Panel,
in light of the On Panel facts posted for ya.

This tells me, you ain't gonna budge, since you've entered the realm of intransigence.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

There is no time manipulation here,

only overstated opinions on how it works.
http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1920145_Scatterbrain2.jpg

"Time distorts around her.
Motion breaks down into juddering stroboscopic images.
Seconds stretch into centuries.
Aeons condense into instants"

("Time distorts around her?" ... huh but, but I thought it was all in his head ... no expression)

No dogs, the Consciousness is something meta-physical, it can actually travel outside the brain.

... oohh, ahh, I see. thumb up

...yes ... this is why ... (below)

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/2307/scatterbrain.jpg

"And with her touch,
the guard finds his Consciousness
instantly expanded across the Infinite breadth of the Omniverse"


Originally posted by D_Dude1210

In fact, the Fury's analysis of the attack fits my argument perfectly:

"Female is Interfering with the Temporal Lobe of Brain"

That's all her attack does. Interfere with the Temporal Lobe...
Interesting, and yet it's his Consciousness that evades the attack.

Again, and as I stated before,
the Consciousness derives from the brain,
so, of course the Fury needs to make his TEMPORAL lobe, obsolete,
in order to escape the Omniversal Consciousness expanding Time-based attack.

***

Have a good day Dude, this argument has been sealed,
whether you concede or not is no consequence to me.

D_Dude1210
If by what you mean:

"And it switches its consciousness to the auxiliary nervous system in the small of its back"

This actually helps my argument more than yours. O_O What the Fury did was switch to a second brain (w/c it apparently has). This actually shows that the attack has nothing to do with anything "intangible" about the consciousness being affected (thus simply switching to a different brain works in negating the attack) but more of a physical consciousness derived from the function of the brain.

There's no point in arguing with you, you'll keep insisting that a simple narration style will support your ludicrous argument wherein on panel events (how the Fury negated the attack) seem to contradict everything you say. The whole thing is stated on panel and anyone with a firm grip on reality would actually understand what really happened here.

Mr Master
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

If by what you mean:

"And it switches its consciousness to the auxiliary nervous system in the small of its back"

This actually helps my argument more than yours. O_O
Negative.

You're so caught up in your unsupported stance,
that you can't even see what that means.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

What the Fury did was switch to a second brain (w/c it apparently has).

This actually shows that the attack has nothing to do with anything "intangible" about the consciousness being affected (thus simply switching to a different brain works in negating the attack) but more of a physical consciousness derived from the function of the brain.
laughing

Where the hell did you get that the Fury switched to a "second brain?"

Are you going to star making shit up for the sake of winning a debate?
(I hate when people do that)

The Fury didn't switch to any "second brain" ... that's a fallacy.

The Fury SHUT it's Brain DOWN!!! (NOT one of it's brains)
(there's no mention of the Fury ever having a "second brain" anywhere at any time)

The Fury switched to a secondary "Nervous System"

Which obviously means it was then acting on instinct,
with ONLY a "Nervous System" to react with.

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Or were you under the impression that the "Nervous System" and the "Brain" are the same thing? no expression
(yea sure they compliment each other, but they're surely NOT the same thing)
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

There's no point in arguing with you, you'll keep insisting that a simple narration style will support your ludicrous argument wherein on panel events (how the Fury negated the attack) seem to contradict everything you say. The whole thing is stated on panel and anyone with a firm grip on reality would actually understand what really happened here.
Yip yap whoop.

When you post evidence that Fury has a second brain, we'll continue this,
until then you can trick yourself into believing you're right all you want.

As for your other fallacy that claims it's the "physical consciousness" that's affected.

I'd love to know how the hell is Time distorted outside the mind,
if it's just in the brain where the attack takes place?

I'd also love to know,
how the guard's Consciousness was expanded across the Omniverse,
if again, it's all in his head?

Of course you gots nothing to address these questions,
you'll come back with more supposition and personal unsupported opinions,
while simultaneously trying to re-write in your own words what Moore meant,
rather than just simply reading what is stated on panel with the artistic depictions.

D_Dude1210

id369

Mr Master

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id369
Originally posted by Mr Master
http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1920145_Scatterbrain2.jpg

"Time distorts around her.
Motion breaks down into juddering stroboscopic images.
Seconds stretch into centuries.
Aeons condense into instants"



There it is, the effects of having your conscious expanded.
Originally posted by Mr Master

If its just a "mental attack" (which as you're suggesting is contained withIN the mind)
how is one's Consciousness being expanded across all of time?

hum

Post the proof where Moore said this.

Scatterbrain expands your Consciousness across all of time in the Omniverse.

That's been my claim from the beginning,
that's my claim now,
and it's confirmed On panel. thumb up

Anything else?

The victims conscious is being expanded to such degree. Not that actual time manipulation is taking place.

Mr Master
Originally posted by id369

There it is, the effects of having your conscious expanded.

The victims conscious is being expanded to such degree.

Not that actual time manipulation is taking place.
I never claimed Scatterbrain manipulates Time,
I've said from the beginning that Scatterbrain expands your Consciousness across Time:
Originally posted by Mr Master

Your consciousness expands across the Omniverse in an instant,
that's what Scatterbrain does to ya if she wishes to fry your brain.

Your consciousness literally travels across time on an Omniversal scale,
it's simple as that.

If you can't accept that, that's cool friend, but those are the facts.

As for Fury shutting it's brain off,
yes of course, your consciousness comes from your brain.
Originally posted by Mr Master

Scatterbrain though,
who attacks your actual consciousness,
literally forcing it to expand across the entire Omniverse.

This means you become one (consciously) with everything in all Timelines across the Omniverse.

Because that's what Consciousness is basically, "awareness" ...

In Marvel comics,

"Cosmic Consciousness" ... is awareness on a Cosmic scale.

Therefore, Scatterbrain gives you Cosmic Consciousness,
but on an Omniversal scale.

This effect though is instant,
and therefore overwhelming for the victim.

Sorta like when Phoenix gave Mastermind Cosmic awareness on a Universal scale,
she did so by expanding his Consciousness across the Universe.

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1920796_JeanMastermind2.jpg
Originally posted by Mr Master

Now this is not controlling time in anyway,
I hope that's not mis-understood,
but she does control one's perception of time on any scale she wishes,
while literally expanding one's Consciousness across all of Time .
"Time distorting around her"

Only proves that one's Consciousness is billowing outside the mind,
and into the greater concept of Time,
which is infinitely broader than what's contained in one's mind.

I think in this regard, we agree no?

id369

Mr Master

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by Mr Master
What does this prove?

Absolutely nothing concerning Scatterbrain and her power.

It proves that the attack was more dependent on the physical nature of the target's consciousness (aka. the conscious brain) than some sort of intangible consciousness that you alluded to.

I also seems to state that the Fury has a secondary nervous system that it could use in case its head/brain got attacked.

Originally posted by Mr Master


Already stated that they compliment each other, so ... no expression
But the Nervous System is not a second brain.

*The nervous system is like a network that relays messages back and forth
from the brain to different parts of the body.

This is how the "Brain" is involved with the "Nervous System."

You just copied and pasted from Wiki,
and didn't take the time to read further ... shame on you.


Wait. So you think the Brain COMPLIMENTS the nervous system but is not a part of it?

You need to do a little reading buddy.

id369

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D_Dude1210

id369
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
INC! lol. I cant argue with it true debater, its on paper panel fact evidence, coming from TOAA Mr. Pencil himself Alan Moore authorized and published by Marvel.

Mr Master
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

It proves that the attack was more dependent on the physical nature of the target's consciousness (aka. the conscious brain) than some sort of intangible consciousness that you alluded to.
Scatterbarin, with a touch,
can instantly expands your Consciousness across the Omniverse.

If you Consciousness is being expanded across the Omniverse,
this then becomes Cosmic Awareness,
which is much more than just the mind/brain.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

I also seems to state that the Fury has a secondary nervous system that it could use in case its head/brain got attacked.
it does, and it did.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Wait. So you think the Brain COMPLIMENTS the nervous system but is not a part of it?

You need to do a little reading buddy.
I never said the Brain is not part of the Nervous System,
I said it's not the same thing.

There's more to the Nervous System than the brain.

The Nervous System uses the brain in it's function.

I mixed up my words due to repeating myself so much,
concerning Scatterbrain and the facts at hand.

Mr Master

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by Mr Master
Scatterbarin, with a touch,
can instantly expands your Consciousness across the Omniverse.

If you Consciousness is being expanded across the Omniverse,
this then becomes Cosmic Awareness,
which is much more than just the mind/brain.

Still doesn't mean that the attack is an Omniversal/Temporal attack. It only means that it has a unique effect attached to it. You don't call Cyclops' optic blast a "Dimensional/Solar attack" do you? Or WOULD you??? O_o

Originally posted by Mr Master
it does, and it did.

I never said the Brain is not part of the Nervous System,
I said it's not the same thing.

There's more to the Nervous System than the brain.

The Nervous System uses the brain in it's function.

I mixed up my words due to repeating myself so much,
concerning Scatterbrain and the facts at hand.

How can something be part of a nervous system and not be the same thing at the same time? O_o The scan states that there was an "auxiliary nervous system". Not an "auxiliary nervous system that didn't include the brain".

Mr Master

id369

guy222
Ok friends

Just agree to disagree

Mr Master
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

Still doesn't mean that the attack is an Omniversal/Temporal attack.
It only means that it has a unique effect attached to it.
You're still confusing yourself by the phrased term I attached the feat with.

If this is what has you in circles,
then forget about that and stick to the meat of the debate.

Does Scatterbrain expand one's Consciousness across the Omniverse,
in a Time-based fashion?

(again, NOT controlling Time itself, just one's Consciousness across Time)

Originally posted by D_Dude1210

You don't call Cyclops' optic blast a "Dimensional/Solar attack" do you?
Or WOULD you??? O_o
Irrelevant attempts at being funny.

Therefore inconsequential.

Please, as heated as our discussion has become,
don't turn into a total A-Hole like your only supporter
Originally posted by D_Dude1210

How can something be part of a nervous system and not be the same thing at the same time? O_o The scan states that there was an "auxiliary nervous system". Not an "auxiliary nervous system that didn't include the brain".
You still here?

The Mind is where the Consciousness derives from,
the Mind resinates from the brain.

So, ok, I'll give you the Fury switching it's Consciousness to another brain.

See I'm a man,
but will you concede it's a second Consciousness that Fury switched to,
that just happens to be in the brain?

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1920150_Scatterbrain4.jpg

"Everything is suddenly moving so slowly ...
...female interfering with Temporal Lobe of brain ...
and so it shuts its brain down ...
and it switches its Consciousness to the auxiliary nervous system in its back"


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What are we still dealing with according to the On panel evidence?

"it switches its Consciousness to the auxiliary nervous system in its back"

The "Consciousness" no?

id369

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SoulDevourer
Originally posted by Mr Master
The Fury may have looked the same,
but its energy stores were depleted, (he was fighting GOD for crying out loud)
making it damaged goods until it regenerates again.ya i get what u mean but ffs i dunno how durability can change after a fight even a bad one. energy strenght yeah but durablity?

take this example : there this time Sentry is fighting ultron (she-ultron iirc). she has super hard armor but this guys badass, and in the end shes losing the fight so she run away. does dat mean her adamantium wuz someho softer at the end of the fight? huh

maybe but its never stated if it wouldve lost the fight (without the unspace trick). i mean they looked pretty matched during that fight ! so maybe mjj wuz also getting weaker and he wouldve lost anyways

sure but the mjj616 vs Fury fight wuz also PIS (and this time the PIS wuz on mjj) stick out tongue

Knowsbleed33
Wow, id continues to fail at trying.

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by Mr Master
You're still confusing yourself by the phrased term I attached the feat with.

If this is what has you in circles,
then forget about that and stick to the meat of the debate.

Actually, the whole point of this debate is the way you classified the attack as "Omniversal/Temporal" if you concede the fact that this is a mental attack, I will concede the fact that it is a mental attack that expands one's consciousness across time and space? That's fair right?

Originally posted by Mr Master
Does Scatterbrain expand one's Consciousness across the Omniverse,
in a Time-based fashion?

(again, NOT controlling Time itself, just one's Consciousness across Time)

See? If you said this from the very beginning, there would be no argument here. My problem is classifying the attack as an Omniversal/Temporal attack, therefore alluding to the fallacy that the Fury resisted anything that had to do with Time/Space manipulation cuz he resisted this attack.

I'm sure there are many feats out there that shows the Fury resisting Time/Space manipulation. It's just not this one.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Irrelevant attempts at being funny.

Therefore inconsequential.

Please, as heated as our discussion has become,
don't turn into a total A-Hole like your only supporter

Not trying to be an A-Hole, I apologize if I came out like that, but this is exactly how I feel about your fallacious classification of the attack/feat in general. I'll tone down my sarcasm if you tone down your aggressive attitude, that fair?

Originally posted by Mr Master
You still here?

The Mind is where the Consciousness derives from,
the Mind resinates from the brain.

So, ok, I'll give you the Fury switching it's Consciousness to another brain.

See I'm a man,
but will you concede it's a second Consciousness that Fury switched to,
that just happens to be in the brain?

The "Consciousness" no?

I'd love to agree with this just to put the debate to rest. 'Cept that nothing in the scan would indicate this. In fact the choice of words by the writer:

"...and it switches its consciousness to the auxiliary nervous system in the small of its back"

...seems to point out that it is the same consciousness only a different brain. I don't know how this can be relevant to the debate, just pointing out that I can't agree with the statement (even tho, I really want to).

leonidas
hmm, seems to me that she attacks an individual's PERCEPTION of spacetime. an outside observer wouldn't perceive any changes, hence it's not a temporal assault in the traditional time-manipulation sense. in that sense, it is a mental assault--it is specifically targetted at a single individual's mind, expanding their perception/consciousness beyond the point that the individual can process the influx of info.

i agree with mr m in that it is nearly identical to what jean did to mastermind--there she briefly shared her perceptual consciousness with mastermind and he was overwhelmed but what she could see. scatterbrain doesn't 'share' like phoenix did though, (scatterbrain herself lacks cosmic awareness) rather she forces someone to the overwhelmed state.) i'm also not sure i'd say she grants 'cosmic consciousness'. to me that implies some sense of control, or the ability to actually PERCEIVE what was shown. i can see WHY you'd term it such, but we also don't know just what exactly the person can percieve, even BEFORE they are overwhelmed. cosmic consciousness implies a level of knowledge that we have no evidence scatterbrain imparts.

so . . . i guess in a sense i'd say you're both right--it is a mental assault that impacts an individual's ability to perceive spacetime, expending that perception to such a degree that the individual cannot cope with the influx of information. exactly akin to what phoenix did to mastermind.

id369
Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Wow, id continues to fail at trying.

And you continue to be a cheerleader.

Knowsbleed33
I do cheer for you.

D_Dude1210
Originally posted by leonidas
hmm, seems to me that she attacks an individual's PERCEPTION of spacetime. an outside observer wouldn't perceive any changes, hence it's not a temporal assault in the traditional time-manipulation sense. in that sense, it is a mental assault--it is specifically targetted at a single individual's mind, expanding their perception/consciousness beyond the point that the individual can process the influx of info.

i agree with mr m in that it is nearly identical to what jean did to mastermind--there she briefly shared her perceptual consciousness with mastermind and he was overwhelmed but what she could see. scatterbrain doesn't 'share' like phoenix did though, (scatterbrain herself lacks cosmic awareness) rather she forces someone to the overwhelmed state.) i'm also not sure i'd say she grants 'cosmic consciousness'. to me that implies some sense of control, or the ability to actually PERCEIVE what was shown. i can see WHY you'd term it such, but we also don't know just what exactly the person can percieve, even BEFORE they are overwhelmed. cosmic consciousness implies a level of knowledge that we have no evidence scatterbrain imparts.

so . . . i guess in a sense i'd say you're both right--it is a mental assault that impacts an individual's ability to perceive spacetime, expending that perception to such a degree that the individual cannot cope with the influx of information. exactly akin to what phoenix did to mastermind.

Agreed. So, it's NOT an Omniversal/Temporal attack. ^_^ but a mental attack with consciousness expanding properties.

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