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battle takes place in the weapon X compound and the canadian woods during a canadian winter. both logan and cyke were kidnapped and force to fight each other to the death. logan's daughter amiko is being held captive and will be killed if he fails to kill cyclops. cyclops has bn told that if he fails to kill, ko logan, emma frost will be killed.

terrain: weapon x building and the canadian woods packed trees and creeks with heavy snow fall during a snow storm. during a sunset.
cyclops starts immediately outside the weapon X compound logan in the woods.

1. no visor removal must find and engage each other.
2. visor removal and logan(death)
3. pure h2h no powers logan loses his adamantium, claws and HF factor.
4. same as above but both are blind folded.

1. Wolverine
2. Cyclops
3. Wolverine
4. Wolverine

I'm not voting on the poll because the available choices don't suit the different scenarios.

yeah, i was, am kinda tired pretty much gave up on the thread poll.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
battle takes place in the weapon X compound and the canadian woods during a canadian winter. both logan and cyke were kidnapped and force to fight each other to the death. logan's daughter amiko is being held captive and will be killed if he fails to kill cyclops. cyclops has bn told that if he fails to kill, ko logan, emma frost will be killed.

terrain: weapon x building and the canadian woods packed trees and creeks with heavy snow fall during a snow storm. during a sunset.
cyclops starts immediately outside the weapon X compound logan in the woods.

1. no visor removal must find and engage each other.
2. visor removal and logan(death)
3. pure h2h no powers logan loses his adamantium, claws and HF factor.
4. same as above but both are blind folded.

1. Cyclops
2. Cyclops
3. Logan
4. Logan

I thought I saw a scan of Death Wolverine charging Cyclops, and Scott couldn't put him down.

Found it.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5821/axmch00314.jpg

logan can make use of this terrain to take out cyke i would think. i really see logan having a better shot against cyke with stealth on his side.

funny how his visor is still on in that scan. ermm

How does the visor hinder him?

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
How does the visor hinder him?



Haven't you heard of "OFF MY LAWN!!!" blast?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Haven't you heard of "OFF MY LAWN!!!" blast?

Yes, it seemed like a wide spread optic blast. But I figured, with the visor, he could concentrate that energy into a more focused blast instead of it wasting it on things other than the target.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Haven't you heard of "OFF MY LAWN!!!" blast?

you mean when he used his blast to remove about an inch or two of sod an a sentinel.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
1. no visor removal must find and engage each other.
2. visor removal and logan(death)
3. pure h2h no powers logan loses his adamantium, claws and HF factor.
4. same as above but both are blind folded.

1. depends who finds the other first... most probably Wolverine
2. Cyclops
3. Wolverine
4. i think, Cyclops...

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Found it.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5821/axmch00314.jpg

Originally posted by -Pr-
funny how his visor is still on in that scan. ermm

* means it's not the "full-powered" mega super wtf omni ultra "get off my lawn" a$$-kicking blast...

Originally posted by peejayd
1. depends who finds the other first... most probably Wolverine
2. Cyclops
3. Wolverine
4. i think, Cyclops...



Wolverine is one of the best trackers on the planet.......cyclopes is not.



4)? Wolverine a far better fighter and an expert on fighting blind folded.

Death wins

1: Logan
2: Cyke takes out the entire forest
3: Logan
4: Logan

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Found it.
That's some ridiculous PIS. Cyclops' beams are concussive force, so Wolverine walking through the blast like that is basically like walking along the train track and through an oncoming train.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Found it.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5821/axmch00314.jpg

PIS


No one DARE argue.

Weight of a Sentinal >>>> Weight of a Wolverine.

Originally posted by Juk3n
PIS

No one DARE argue.

Weight of a Sentinal >>>> Weight of a Wolverine.

There is a blind spot in Cyke`s blast that Wolvie exploits there...

Originally posted by Mshinu
There is a blind spot in Cyke`s blast that Wolvie exploits there...

it looks like it hits him full on, and he's wading through it, he's even got his arm up as if its protecting his face, also leading us to the conclusion it is hitting him. Not too mention all the terrain flying around..

Blind spot or not, that scan is a PIS scan

Originally posted by Juk3n
it looks like it hits him full on, and he's wading through it, he's even got his arm up as if its protecting his face, also leading us to the conclusion it is hitting him. Not too mention all the terrain flying around..

Blind spot or not, that scan is a PIS scan

The blind spot is how it was explained, it is of course no way Deathverine could force his way the direct power of that blast.

Call it PIS if you will, I don`t care either way

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine is one of the best trackers on the planet.......cyclopes is not.

* you're arguing on #1 on this one? finding and engaging one another? i said it's Wolverine... it's more probable he would win, giving Cyke a slight chance... and that slight chance is a KO for Logan because if Cyke spots him, he's out...

* and yes, the "Death scan" is a PIS scan...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
4)? Wolverine a far better fighter

* true...

Originally posted by Battlehammer
and an expert on fighting blind folded.

* this i don't know...

ppl should take terrain into account... it gives both of them an equal chance to win or lose. snow storm, packed trees and streams. use of terrain or lack of it can make it a major difference here...

i can see logan using stealth and i can see scott blasting the treeline.

i can see the weather screwing with logans senses and scotts line of sight.

the cold weather screwing with scotts body and logan using it as cover.. soooo many variables that should be taken into account.

1. 50/50 split logan has some skills but if Cyclops catches him then lose.
2. Cyclops
3. Wolverine
4. Wolverine

Maybe the powers of Death give Logan more different powers. Hulk as War had energy around his feet that allowed him to stop Juggernaut. It wasn't like War suddenly got heavy or strength was a huge part in that. Juggs could push an adamantium statue around forever, and it would never bend or buckle. It was the power of the celestials at work there.

So maybe that same power was at work in that scan with Death and Cyclops. Something else was at work other than Logans muscle.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Yes, it seemed like a wide spread optic blast. But I figured, with the visor, he could concentrate that energy into a more focused blast instead of it wasting it on things other than the target.

it doesn't work that way.

actually pretty sure that was one of the things that was pointed out about the visor for yrs aside from just containing his optic blast.
removing his visor would just cause his blast to give a less directed focused blast. his visor removal although impressive looking i believe loses much of its concentrated force and effectiveness.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
actually pretty sure that was one of the things that was pointed out about the visor for yrs aside from just containing his optic blast.
removing his visor would just cause his blast to give a less directed focused blast. his visor removal although impressive looking i believe loses much of its concentrated force and effectiveness.
That doesn't sound right. Visor removal, regardless of the spread, should be at max power.

you ever spray a water hose? turned the knobs setting and create a high pressure stream?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
you ever spray a water hose? turned the knobs setting and create a high pressure stream?
hysterical

I know you didn't just compare Cyclops full optic blast to a garden hose....


..... right?

Originally posted by Eternal Idol
hysterical

I know you didn't just compare Cyclops full blast to a garden hose....


..... right?

Only Emma gets to do that...

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
actually pretty sure that was one of the things that was pointed out about the visor for yrs aside from just containing his optic blast.
removing his visor would just cause his blast to give a less directed focused blast. his visor removal although impressive looking i believe loses much of its concentrated force and effectiveness.

no offence, but it's not that way at all.

because his field of vision and blast are bigger than the slit in the visor, a decent portion of the blast is either going to be absorbed or reflected back by the ruby quartz lining.

while it's true that in the past it's been said that cyclops can go full power with his visor on, it's simply inconsistent with his powerset, and also contradicts the fact that on a couple of occasions, he felt forced to remove his visor to use all of his power (onslaught, the sentinel etc).

1. Cyclops.
2. Cyclops.
3. Wolverine.
4. Wolverine 7/10.

Originally posted by Ptr_Grifin
Found it.

http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/5821/axmch00314.jpg The epic scan!! That was the death Wolverine that *some* people were saying wasn't amped at all when he was a Horseman? Either he was or that is an utterly ridiculous showing.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
The epic scan!! That was the death Wolverine that *some* people were saying wasn't amped at all when he was a Horseman? Either he was or that is an utterly ridiculous showing.

1. Armor.

2. There's a blind spot in his blast.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
1. Armor.

2. There's a blind spot in his blast. My point was that he was enhanced, but some said he was just normal Wolverine, he took out a group of Xmen in that arc if I recall.

Originally posted by peejayd
* you're arguing on #1 on this one? finding and engaging one another? i said it's Wolverine... it's more probable he would win, giving Cyke a slight chance... and that slight chance is a KO for Logan because if Cyke spots him, he's out...

* and yes, the "Death scan" is a PIS scan...



* true...



* this i don't know...
never said the death scan is not pis, but if Logan does not want to be seen cyclopes aint seeing him.




yes wolverine has trained to fight blind. He an expert at it and has taken it to some good fighters while unable to see.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
My point was that he was enhanced, but some said he was just normal Wolverine, he took out a group of Xmen in that arc if I recall.

He was never phsycially enhanced. He was given weapons and psi blockers

Didn't Logan train Cyclops on how to fight blind?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
He was never phsycially enhanced. He was given weapons and psi blockers Is that not an enhancement to you?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Is that not an enhancement to you?
It not enahncements to his body was the entire point me jinzin, or srank ever made. He was given armor with psi blockers, and a adamatium sword and a bomb or two, asside from that he was given nothing, no increased strength, speed ect.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Didn't Logan train Cyclops on how to fight blind?

perhaps I can't remeber

Do you think he naturally stands up to the blast?Originally posted by Battlehammer
perhaps I can't remeber I think he did actually, I remember reading about it somewhere.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Do you think he naturally stands up to the blast? I think he did actually, I remember reading about it somewhere.
I not sure, he has explained that he knows of a blind spot in the blast, and one of the reason he was such a danger to the x-men as death was not due to his powers, but how well he knew his temates powers. He also taken full power shots with out the armor before as well.






I would not be surprized if he did train scot how to fight blind.

Could you remind me on your stance with a standard Wolverine vs. Cyclops match? I can't remember your current verdict.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Could you remind me on your stance with a standard Wolverine vs. Cyclops match? I can't remember your current verdict.

depends on the scenerio and how much cis effects scot.


with out cis scot just takes the visor off for the win.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
It not enahncements to his body was the entire point me jinzin, or srank ever made. He was given armor with psi blockers, and a adamatium sword and a bomb or two, asside from that he was given nothing, no increased strength, speed ect.

That sword wasn't made of adamantium.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Didn't Logan train Cyclops on how to fight blind?

* i think not... i think Cyke has much pride than that... i think he trained himself, incorporated the fighting styles of his teammates as seen on comics where he defeated 6 tugs eyes closed...

Originally posted by peejayd
* i think not... i think Cyke has much pride than that... i think he trained himself, incorporated the fighting styles of his teammates as seen on comics where he defeated 6 tugs eyes closed...

aye, he learned from everyone. he even says so in the comic itself.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
That sword wasn't made of adamantium.

what was it made of them?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
what was it made of them?

We don't know, but do you really believe that a new adamantium sword would be chipped like that?

And Apoc didn't have tons of that metal, he had to take it from Sabretooth.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
We don't know, but do you really believe that a new adamantium sword would be chipped like that?

And Apoc didn't have tons of that metal, he had to take it from Sabretooth.

i have to reread the series 'cause i dont remember the sword chipping but, your logic seems flawless. i guess it could have bn some alien tech made up of the same material as arch angels wings or something some techno metal

Originally posted by -Pr-
aye, he learned from everyone. he even says so in the comic itself.

* agreed...

http://www.mutanthigh.com/games/martialarts/fight6.html

An actual use of "MA", good to see that every once in a while, I guess everyone did play a part of it, though I thought Logan did most of it at first.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
An actual use of "MA", good to see that every once in a while, I guess everyone did play a part of it, though I thought Logan did most of it at first.

* proves Cyke is not the X-men leader for nothing...