Phantom Limb Syndrom in Nonamputees (yes this does happen)

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Lt_Champion
I am talking about like phantom wings, tail, animal like ears, that kind of thing. Why post this? because I cant find any information on it, I wouldnt even post it here had i not heard of someone else having such feeling. Everyone with it is too shy, or too afraid of everyone mocking them for this. Im bringing it out in the open, so here it is

Yes It sounds weird, If you believe your phantom limbs are real flesh and blood limbs, please dont post here ><. I created this for those of us who have like phantom wings to find others who have such things.

I have felt phantom wings before, It happens from time to time, mostly when i am out in the open and am really happy or really sad, and want to fly. Thusfar I dont believe I am a furry of anysort. I honestly have felt the wings move, and it honestly felt like they were attached, I could actually feel their muscles move as if they were really attached. I have no proof besides my word, because of how hard it is to prove this. I know I dont report it because its harmless, and if I did report it I'd get put in a mental house for something that is not insaine at all. Its just my mind thinking I have wings from time to time. I honestly dont believe I have them, In fact I know I dont have wings. Im sure alot of people have phantom wings/tails/ other limbs but dont report it for similar reasons.


Want to know if I want you to post in here?

If you HONESTLY think your limbs are real, they are flesh and blood, could be touched, and all, but are just invisible(to everyone or everyone but you) then NO dont post.

If you cann FEEL the phantom Limbs, but you KNOW they are not there, then yes, please post here, let me know just how strong it is with you, like with me, i can feel the muscles in the wings up to a point, even feel it moving my skin sometimes, as if they were really there, but I know they arent, and mine only happens from time to time. so yeah, let s share

ARGUEMENTS AGAINST SUCH A THING EXSISTING ARE WELCOME AS LONG AS IT IS KEPT POLITE AND IN GOOD TASTE. polite meaning the universal deffinition of polite, and explanations of these feelings from those who understand the human mind is more then welcome.


the difference between being insaine and being a normal human who's brain seems to think it has abnormal limbs is this, Normal humans who's brain thinks it has abnormal limbs is just that, they know the limbs arent there but their brain doesnt always agree. If we were insaine we would walk around expecting people to not run into our limbs aka insaine people believe their limbs are there physically not just mentally.

warning: jerks will post in here to taunt those who feel said limbs. if you fit the 'okay to post' things but dont want everyone to know, I will not mind if you send me a PM aslong as you let me know this thread is what its about. But i do ask that you vote in the poll just so we have a general count

Symmetric Chaos
Sounds like an version of neuralgia. If chronic pain (typically intermittent) can occur without any apparent cause it seems reasonable that other sensations could happen through a similar mechanism.

Also your definition of insane is rather poor, nor could most modern psychiatrists put you in a mental institution for reporting phantom limbs.

inimalist
There are several technical reasons why it wouldn't be phantom limb (no actual amputation, highly unlikely that there is any somatosensory representation of wings, inferring the feeling of the limb rather than it having been stimulated when there was a limb there).

The most likely explanation that I can think of would be a sort of crossing of sensory signals and contextual/emotional signals. There are conditions known as synesthesia, where stimuli of one type (visual) is crossed with another (sound) and a person literally experiences visual reactions to audio stimuli (something could sound yellow, or they see the notes, etc). Another form is mixing of only visual signals, so like certain letters are a certain colour. I've seen talks where researchers have said that people can have a synesthesic relationship between how then conceptualize time and their sense of a 3d environment, in their mind, the 12 month calendar being represented as a 3d space to navigate. That a sense of touch might be associated with moods or contexts for you is not that far of a stretch.

I assume that you would like to have wings, and that this desire probably preceded any experience of "wings", which would also further lead you to interpret any unusual "touch" sensations as phantom limb, as opposed to more banal explanations.

The only context I've ever encountered for what you are talking about is the phenomenon of phantom penis in male to female transgendered people. Men who undergo sex change surgery report less instances of phantom penis than do men who have it removed because of cancer or other reasons. Theoretically, some researchers have interpreted this as meaning that male-to-female transgendered individuals might be born with a neurological body representation of a female, though a physical body of a man, the lack of phantom penis being due to the lack of neurological representation of that body part.

Issues with that theory aside, its not necessarily analogous to what you are describing because it is about something potentially missing from the neurological body map, as opposed to something new being there. Given that the development of neurological areas is dependent on that area receiving stimulation (for instance, to develop the ability to see the colour blue, you must have been exposed to it), you would have needed to have wings to be stimulated initially for such an area to develop. While the transgendered research shows there might be inconsistencies between the physical body and the map, there is still no evidence of a person ever developing somatosensory neurological tissue to respond to signals that are not coming in. For instance, it is quite questionable as to whether or not female to male transgendered individuals would have a representation of a penis, as one would have never been there to receive stimulation, thus develop the requisite neurological areas.

And while there may be gender inconsistencies, there is nothing that I have seen that would suggest that somatosensory development can cross species lines.

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