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I'm not posting a scenario, I'll leave that all up to you. So what happens, and who can they beat? It's composite Enterprise, so every movie feat including the reboot counts.

They lose horribly unless we count Dark Phoenix and Surfer which are not Earth based.

Wait which Enterprise? Kirk's old one? The new Kirk's? Picard's "D" or "E"?

Picard with the Enterpise"E" is unfair. Could he possibly blow up Earth with a few quantum torpedoes?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
They lose horribly unless we count Dark Phoenix and Surfer which are not Earth based.

Wait which Enterprise? Kirk's old one? The new Kirk's? Picard's "D" or "E"?

Picard with the Enterpise"E" is unfair. Could he possibly blow up Earth with a few quantum torpedoes?

Maybe if you read the post and not just the title eh?

And what did Dark Phoenix do that wasn't earth based? I haven't seen X2 so I don't know all her feats but the biggest thing she did in X3 was destroy Alcatraz...Something a single photon torpedo could do easily (and then some)

well her abilities by-pass all durability because she destroy things on an atomic level one atom at a time at just an accelerated pace.

so that being said if she lives long enough to get in touch with the enterprise or its crew she could destroy the entire thing.

This is all going on the grounds that the Enterprise is in the atmosphere and not in orbit, where it could destroy the planet or target anyone with a torpedo or transporting into space.

-Really depends if the Enterprises' shielding could stop Phoenix's powers. Probably couldn't, as I think they're mind based.

-Magneto could seriously gimp the ship. Shields not being a factor to his magnetic powers?

-Nightcrawler TP'ing inside and kicking everyone's ass would be a great distraction.

-Xavier could mind-rape all except Data. Data can control the ship by himself and easily too.

Can't think of anyone else who would be a problem to the Enterprise.

Edit: I was thinking of only X-Men. Surfer could **** their shit up too.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
well her abilities by-pass all durability because she destroy things on an atomic level one atom at a time at just an accelerated pace.

so that being said if she lives long enough to get in touch with the enterprise or its crew she could destroy the entire thing.

Any evidence of her doing something of that magnitude over a distance that equals what the enterprise can fire from (which, for the record, is around 100,000km or 62,000 miles or a quarter the distance to the moon)?

Originally posted by jaden101
Any evidence of her doing something of that magnitude over a distance that equals what the enterprise can fire from (which, for the record, is around 100,000km or 62,000 miles or a quarter the distance to the moon)?

hence "if she lives long enough to get in touch with the enterprise or its crew, she could destroy the entire thing."

i dont know if she can.

Originally posted by Robtard
Magneto could seriously gimp the ship. Shields not being a factor to his magnetic powers? He took a considerable amount of time to effect the bridge in X3. By that time Worf would have blown him up.

The Enterprise ftw

Originally posted by Darth Martin
He took a considerable amount of time to effect the bridge in X3. By that time Worf would have blown him up. Exactly.



How fast can Reed Richards build something?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
hence "if she lives long enough to get in touch with the enterprise or its crew, she could destroy the entire thing."

i dont know if she can.

I'm talking about a matter of distance rather than time. I don't remember it being suggested that the longer she projects her power, the farther she can.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
He took a considerable amount of time to effect the bridge in X3. By that time Worf would have blown him up.

Magneto isn't soloing the Enterprise, so he could very well have the time to do something to it. Unless Worf is just going to know "hey, that guy, he's the one."

Magneto isn't much of a factor, the three biggest threats to the Enterprise and crew are Surfer, Phoenix and Xavier, especially if X has cerebro.

Even if Xavier had Cerebro, it takes him time to focus. The Enterprise is already orbiting Earth when they become aware of it.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Even if Xavier had Cerebro, it takes him time to focus. The Enterprise is already orbiting Earth when they become aware of it.

In X2, he went from raping every mutant on the planet to raping every human on the planet in less than a minute, iirc, was a matter of seconds.

So unless the Enterprise has intel on were exactly Xavier/Cerebro are, the entire crew except for Data is getting mind-****ed. Which isn't much of a problem, as Data can solo-control the ship; do it better too.

Thanks, I still haven't seen X2.

Surfer owns this shit up. Shields don't do shit. Surfer himself and all his attacks can phase through shields.

Nightcrawler, Deadpool and Wraith can teleport themselves and other groundbased allies into the ship and start a party.

Originally posted by Placidity
Surfer owns this shit up. Shields don't do shit. Surfer himself and all his attacks can phase through shields.

Nightcrawler, Deadpool and Wraith can teleport themselves and other groundbased allies into the ship and start a party.

Don't know about that. How many times have we seen the ST crews analyze and then match the frequecies of enemy weapons/shields etc?...Stands to reason they'd be able to do to the surfer what the FF team did.

Originally posted by jaden101
Don't know about that. How many times have we seen the ST crews analyze and then match the frequecies of enemy weapons/shields etc?...Stands to reason they'd be able to do to the surfer what the FF team did.

But you forget, the F4 had Reed Richards and Von Doom, the greatest minds on Earth when they made that device.

Plus the only reason they knew to do that frequency stuff was because Doom analyzed Surfer channeling the energy from his board. The Star Trek folks won't get that opportunity.

Enterprise has Data and sensors way beyond anything Reeds has, so it isn't beyond reason they counter Surfer's ability to pass through the shielding or outright knock him off his board with an attack.

They could also potentially transport and leave him in stasis, effectively taking him out of the fight.

Originally posted by Placidity
But you forget, the F4 had Reed Richards and Von Doom, the greatest minds on Earth when they made that device. I don't think Doom's all that in the movies he's out to be as far as intelligence goes.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
They lose horribly unless we count Dark Phoenix and Surfer which are not Earth based.

Wait which Enterprise? Kirk's old one? The new Kirk's? Picard's "D" or "E"?

Picard with the Enterpise"E" is unfair. Could he possibly blow up Earth with a few quantum torpedoes?

How is Phoenix not earth based in the movies?

Guys, I thought Marvel Earth, meant like 'Marvel Universe' ?

in the movies the phoenix is earth-based. shes just jean gray's split personality that charles put mental blocks on.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
in the movies the phoenix is earth-based. shes just jean gray's split personality that charles put mental blocks on.

Bingo Bango!

Originally posted by Placidity
Guys, I thought Marvel Earth, meant like 'Marvel Universe' ? No, I just meant Marvel Earth.

Fair enough, wrong forum I thought I was in.

No one in this thread is wrong, as per the rules of the OP.

I posted the wrong post in the wrong forum. It was meant to go in the CBVF. I got confused b/c of the title.

I'm satisified with Jaden's and Robtard's explanation.



I'm going with the Enterprise E and a smooth Victory.

As soon as Xavier started his Cerebro attack, Data would quickly take over and null the attack. It's not as thought the Federation has ever encountered someone with Psionic abilities. They have a betazoid on the ship.

They've also had hundreds of years to study the Vulcans and how their telepathic powers work, as well.

They also have Gynan. She looked as if she was going to hold her own against Q that one time. I was like, WTF, yo.


Of course, now I'm just being a fanboy.





They should be able to counter every single person, without problem.





616 phoenix would pwn hard and fast. Movie phoenix was gimped, horribly.

Yeah but she has nice bewbz.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Yeah but she has nice bewbz.

And her face isn't hard on the eyes, either.

Bewbz....hard......nipples teehee?

How do we judge when we don't have a defined scenario? We get to make it up so we kind of get to decide who wins.

You need a scenario to judge her bewbz?

Well no, I was talking about who wins the fight, you know this. We had that discussion on how bewbz aren't as cool as titties.

Bewbz pwn titties 7 days a week, all day, every day.

I concede this debate. You win.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
I concede this debate. You win.

THAT'S RIGHT!

To Marvel's credit, Troi, Guinan, and Vulcans are nowhere near the telepathic might of someone of Xavier's caliber. They've never encountered a telepath that powerful to my knowledge.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
To Marvel's credit, Troi, Guinan, and Vulcans are nowhere near the telepathic might of someone of Xavier's caliber. They've never encountered a telepath that powerful to my knowledge.

Xavier would mind-rape everyone on the ship and probably give it a little extra harder to Troi for being so ****ing melodramatic and annoying with her orgasm-like mental spasms. Throw Xavier on Vulcan; he rapes all Vulcans.

But he's not touching Data, who can obliterate with a weapon like the Enterprise E under his command.

True. Data would be innefected and proceed the attack.

Isn't Data like incapable of harming humans?

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Isn't Data like incapable of harming humans?

You're thinking of Sonny, from I Robot. Even then, for the purposes of these fights, it wouldn't factor.

Xavier and Pheonix mind-rape everyone and get one of them to shoot Data in the head ala Sabertooth and Toad.

ME wins

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
Isn't Data like incapable of harming humans? If he's provoked, or in war that goes out the window. Not that it matters here.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Xavier and Pheonix mind-rape everyone and get one of them to shoot Data in the head ala Sabertooth and Toad.

ME wins Who's shooting Data? Cyclops? He can try.

Besides Data's on a starship.

No, I meant one of the people who Xavier mind-rapes. He's shown he can do so with Sabertooth and Toad, so he can do it to Picard and crew. And Data can't harm humans, so he gets pwned.

Data can harm humans. And is far as I know there is only one phaser on the bridge of the Enterprise and that's Worf's. The Enterprise isn't a warship like Sisko's Defiant.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
To Marvel's credit, Troi, Guinan, and Vulcans are nowhere near the telepathic might of someone of Xavier's caliber. They've never encountered a telepath that powerful to my knowledge.

No, they have.

The Federation has encountered telepaths that have shown very similar abilities as Xavier such as memory wipes, mind transfers...even a thing similar to the Astral Plane. (When that one telepath was fixing Troi's mother's mind from her daughter that died by falling into that deep pon.)

Also, Vulcans can pull memories from people...the difference is: they have to touch them whereas, Xavier does not.



What Xavier did beyond what we see telepaths do in the movies: He froze a crap load of people. He transferred his entire mind and memories into another body and he focused, with Cerebro, enough to kill all humans on Earth.



Those are feats that put him above the the other telepaths.


Also, there are telepaths that far exceed Xavier in Star Trek. Think of anyone that is a godlike power. The end.

Well I do remember people who have memory wiped Picard but not Xav ier's level.

Xavier shut down a whole room.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Well I do remember people who have memory wiped Picard but not Xav ier's level.

Xavier shut down a whole room.

I know this seems weird that I'm agreeing with you...but Xavier shut down the whole mall.

Well, there you have it. I've yet to see anyone in Star Trek(not counting Q's or cosmic beings) duplicate anything near this.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Well, there you have it. I've yet to see anyone in Star Trek(not counting Q's or cosmic beings) duplicate anything near this.

This is true as the only circumstance I can think is Q.

Are we counting the animated Marvel films. Thor and Strange might help out.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Are we counting the animated Marvel films. Thor and Strange might help out.


This is good.


I always like to get in the smaller movies from marvel, even if they are animated.

Hell, some of animated movies from Marvel are better than some of the live action films.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Hell, some of animated movies from Marvel are better than some of the live action films.

lulz


Dr. Strange wasn't that bad of a film. Neither was the Ironman one (the origins one.) They hold better to the comics in powers and story...

I thought those two were shit.

I like Wolverine vs Hulk and the two Ultimate Avengers'.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
I thought those two were shit.

I like Wolverine vs Hulk and the two Ultimate Avengers'.

Yeah...those were more for fans than actually doing a comic to movie adaptation.