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Team 2.

I disagree, mace can take dooku due to the fact he beat dooku's master. Then agen kolar can hold up against maul for a good while and fisto, well he can can at least hold off malak long enough for mace to beat dooku.

team 2, but very tough fight

Mace's Vaapad is huge determinant here, but I just can't see that delivering Team 1 the winning edge. They're all phenomenal duelists (except Malak of whom we now SHIT ), but damn. Just can not see the Jedi winning for some reason.

mace can hold his own and possibly defeat dooku. kit fitso can more then hold his own against maul and i dont know enough about malak or agen to make a comment either way.

in fact i think fitso would defeat maul eventually. and mace via vapaad will defeat dooku eventually.

so it comes down to malak and agen. whoever wins that fight will go on to help their allies. that is unless those two are so evenly matched that their duel is lengthy too. in which case either mace beats dooku and helps the others or fisto beats maul and helps the others.

here is some information on agen kolar. he is said to be one of the top ten duelists in the entire jedi order. and it was originally planned by the council that if palpatine was in indeed the sith lord the jedi order was looking for then mace and kolar would be a sufficent force to stop palpatine.

Dooku could hold off Mace for the time it would take Malak to snap Kolar's neck and toss him into the fire. Fisto head goes flying by a searing red blade courtesy of Darth Maul. Mace is then left to work as the personal whipping boy of the Sith, cleaning up the mess Maul left behind and serving Dooku his Appletini. He also has to clean Malak's jaw once a week to prevent infection. Eww, it probably stinks.

bayhunter, we know. We're nerds.


Maul was Sidious' apprentice and his intense training, his youth and stamina, and his mastery of the lightsaber makes him a formidable opponent who has single-handedly defeated two of the greatest swordsman in the Jedi Order. Take that Agen Kolar's beliefs.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
bayhunter, we know. We're nerds.


Wait, there's a flaw in there. I always know, but am not a nerd.

Originally posted by Advent
Fisto head goes flying by a searing red blade courtesy of Darth Maul.

maul isnt a better duelist then kit fisto though.

kit fisto would eventually beat maul and then go help mace or kolar.

Fisto beats Maul?

going by feats yes. kit fisto has better feats then both anoon and maul by far.

yes, after a long fight fisto wins. He would have defeated grevious had his bodyguards not interfered. and grevious is better than maul. plus grevious was wielding four lightsabers. and fisto didnt have much of a problem knocking grevious to the ground and nearly killing him.

Grievous was better than Maul in which sense?

just about every. more durable stronger smarter faster.

and kit fisto did beat Greivous, not nearly. he won the fight. being a jedi he just decided not to kill him. but regardless he won and easily at that.

yes, i agree. fisto beats maul and then helps mace or kolar and team 1 wins.

No way Fisto beats Maul... Sure FIsto is powerful but Maul is quite deadly. Anyhow the Sith win. Dooku could hold off Mace for a while allowing Malak or Maul to defeat their opponent.

I am now seeing Malak as a weak point here. We've seen him kill two nameless, featless Jedi. And this isn't Star Forge Malak either. We know he's good, but he's not Dooku or Mace good, no sir.

I can see Maul handling Kolar or Fisto. Maybe not winning, but handling. Dooku has to fight Mace, which leaves Malak the Unknown to fight the remainder. In deeper consideration, unless Maul can best Fisto or Kolar quick enough, then this promises to turn in the Jedi's favour.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
maul isnt a better duelist then kit fisto though. Anything to prove that considering maul nearly beat sidious in a fit of rage along with the fact that he beat qui gon and anoon bondara whom were described as legendary when it came to swordplay?

"deadly" isnt even a description of someones skill. hence why im confused why people say "Well maul is described as being the deadliest sith apprentice in history so hes uber". a child with a berreta is deadly even if the child doesnt know how to use it. hes still "deadly".

simply being "deadly" isnt getting maul anywhere. kit fisto has feats to back up the quotes saying hes one of the finest duelists in the orders history. maul and anoon do not.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
"deadly" isnt even a description of someones skill. hence why im confused why people say "Well maul is described as being the deadliest sith apprentice in history so hes uber". a child with a berreta is deadly even if the child doesnt know how to use it. hes still "deadly".

simply being "deadly" isnt getting maul anywhere. kit fisto has feats to back up the quotes saying hes one of the finest duelists in the orders history. maul and anoon do not. You're reaching. Being the deadliest child in the world is a HELLUVA 'ccomplishment. Being the deadliest Sith apprentice in history is as well. When you can endanger your master's life (one of the greatest Sith at this particular point) during said apprenticeship---then you've got something going for you. He took on and defeated two of the Order's saber legends. If we're tallying up similar feats here, then how many Sith legends have Fisto or Kolar undone?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
"deadly" isnt even a description of someones skill. hence why im confused why people say "Well maul is described as being the deadliest sith apprentice in history so hes uber". a child with a berreta is deadly even if the child doesnt know how to use it. hes still "deadly".

simply being "deadly" isnt getting maul anywhere. kit fisto has feats to back up the quotes saying hes one of the finest duelists in the orders history. maul and anoon do not.

Why do you think he was called deadly? Because he can stare you to death?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
"deadly" isnt even a description of someones skill. hence why im confused why people say "Well maul is described as being the deadliest sith apprentice in history so hes uber". a child with a berreta is deadly even if the child doesnt know how to use it. hes still "deadly".


Let me ask you a question, is a child with a gun as deadly as an individual who has far more skill, far more experience and far better combat capabilities with the weapon?

There have been many "deadly swordsman" through out the mythos, but just exactly how many of them are that skill ful to be labelled one of the most deadly?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel

simply being "deadly" isnt getting maul anywhere. kit fisto has feats to back up the quotes saying hes one of the finest duelists in the orders history. maul and anoon do not. I have listed down the facts which you blatantly ignored.

And just to let you know, an out of practise sidious slaughtered kit fisto within mere seconds, maul was able to give TPM sidious(whose lightsaber skills were at his peak) a very tough fight and nearly kills him despite being hungry and exhausted from a while earlier after fighting hordes of assasin droids.

We also have darth maul killing not one but two legendary swordsman.

Originally posted by bayhunter12
I disagree, mace can take dooku due to the fact he beat dooku's master. Then agen kolar can hold up against maul for a good while and fisto, well he can can at least hold off malak long enough for mace to beat dooku. Mace can beat Dooku. Agreed.

However Maul and Malak>Agen Kolar and Kit Fisto

And it's not like Dooku vs Mace will end in minutes. It will take forever.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Anything to prove that considering maul nearly beat sidious in a fit of rage


i seem to remember kenobi doing the same thing to maul. and luke doing similiar to vader.




anoons never done anything to substantiate that statement. anything. hes stated to have the best technical prowess in the order which can be interpreted as simply being the most knowledgeable of all the styles on paper. at the same time hes been stated to not be on the level of the true top tiers (such as yoda and mace).

so what has anoon actually done to make him a legendary?



it was just a metaphor. simply being deadly in itself isnt an indication of skill. ares didnt mention the deadliest in history he just said deadly period. im the one who brought up that quote.




he surprised him and briefly held the upper hand. kenobi did the same exact thing to maul. literally putting him on his ass.




you mean the two featless wonders? both of whom were only considered "legendary" up to the time of TPM, 10+ years before RotS? Kit is stated to be one of the finest duelists in the entire order as of RotS, which is pretty much the orders peak in terms of skilled duelists.



sith apprentices? none. how many sith apprentices has maul actually on-panel defeated? how many people of actual importance and skill that has been proven on-panel has maul beaten? kit fisto easily defeated greivous who was pretty much the most devastating fighter in the CIS next to dooku. hes been not only stated as such but has the feats to back him up, defeating upwards of four or five jedi by himself and defeating both durge and ventress at the same time. greivous has actually displayed more prowess then maul, qui-gon, and anoon combined. defeating him with ease is a testimont to kit fitso's superiority.

either kolar or fisto can handle malak in a quick enough time to go and help mace finish dooku. anyhow the jedi win here but barely.

I gotta say, this a very refreshing change from the recent monstrosities that have come out of those new members. Kudos.


Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
it was just a metaphor. simply being deadly in itself isnt an indication of skill. ares didnt mention the deadliest in history he just said deadly period. im the one who brought up that quote. Deadly? That's good. Deadliest. That's better.



Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
he surprised him and briefly held the upper hand. kenobi did the same exact thing to maul. literally putting him on his ass.From which Maul recovered to put Kenobi on his ass.




Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
you mean the two featless wonders? both of whom were only considered "legendary" up to the time of TPM, 10+ years before RotS? Kit is stated to be one of the finest duelists in the entire order as of RotS, which is pretty much the orders peak in terms of skilled duelists. Well played, salesman.



Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
sith apprentices? none. how many sith apprentices has maul actually on-panel defeated? how many people of actual importance and skill that has been proven on-panel has maul beaten? kit fisto easily defeated greivous who was pretty much the most devastating fighter in the CIS next to dooku. hes been not only stated as such but has the feats to back him up, defeating upwards of four or five jedi by himself and defeating both durge and ventress at the same time. greivous has actually displayed more prowess then maul, qui-gon, and anoon combined. defeating him with ease is a testimont to kit fitso's superiority. I am by no means trying to downplay Kit's skill. It's top notch. And you make a good point with the era-to-history ratio for Kit as compared to Jinn or Anoon (if you're erroneous or wrong I can neither prove nor disprove ). I feel Kit is quite up to the task of taking on Maul and winning. It shan't be easy, nuh uh.

And I can't wait for the Clone Wars program to abolish Grievous' status as Jedi-killer numero uno. Won't be long now until Zett Jukassa is surviving a one-on-one with him.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
i seem to remember kenobi doing the same thing to maul. and luke doing similiar to vader. Except for the fact that maul was weakened, exhausted, hungry.



Originally posted by Ms.Marvel

anoons never done anything to substantiate that statement.
C-canon quotes.

Sorry but canon quotes > your incredibly biased opinions.

Trying to discredit sources isn't going to help your arguments at all.
Originally posted by Ms.Marvel

anything. hes stated to have the best technical prowess in the order which can be interpreted as simply being the most knowledgeable of all the styles on paper. at the same time hes been stated to not be on the level of the true top tiers (such as yoda and mace).
Actually if you ever had to ability to read and not ignore people, several members already brought out the fact that anoon's lightsaber skills were described as "second to none"(ergo, he surpassed yoda and mace at one point of time).

Accept it and move on with life.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel


so what has anoon actually done to make him a legendary? Nothing, but as far as quotes and canon goes, he is "second to none".

But if you want more infro, he defeated quigon jinn, despite having his stamina weakend and qui gon had spared with mace windu several times and the intresting thing is mace, despite having one of the most powerful lightsaber forms(who put sidious on his ass) and one of the orders most skillful duelists couldn't break through qui gons defence and couldn't out duel him while quigon coouldn't out duel him either.

Yet maul managed to defeat quigon and hold his own despite being outnumbered 2 to 1.


Funny how quigon mentions that Maul was in control of the duel and Obiwan admits that even when he was using the dark side he was losing that advantage
(Source, TPM novel)

Accept it.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel


it was just a metaphor. simply being deadly in itself isnt an indication of skill. ares didnt mention the deadliest in history he just said deadly period. im the one who brought up that quote.
Your lying, the complete visual dictionary states one of the deadliest Sith apprentices in history

But theres a specific reason as to why he is called one of the deadliest sith apprentices in history, if his skills aren't as good and if he is not as skillful as you say, why did official sources even label him that way in the first place?

It takes skill to be labelled deadliest, not deadly.

While it is true that being labelled "deadly" is no indication of skill, being the "deadliest sith apprentice in history" is completely something else.



Originally posted by Ms.Marvel

he surprised him and briefly held the upper hand. kenobi did the same exact thing to maul. literally putting him on his ass.
Problem is maul was severely weakened and exhausted and he "surprised" a sith lord that killed kit fisto with relative ease.


Originally posted by Ms.Marvel

you mean the two featless wonders? both of whom were only considered "legendary" up to the time of TPM, 10+ years before RotS? Kit is stated to be one of the finest duelists in the entire order as of RotS, which is pretty much the orders peak in terms of skilled duelists. See the below.

Yeah featless wonders indeed, being able to go head to head with mace(who put sidious on his ass), being unable to break mace defences while mace couldn't even get past qui gons defences or out duel him.

Very very featless and useless. Being called legendary.

Funny how you say quotes dont cut it for you yet your using a quote which describes kit fisto's combat prowess. Hmm i smell a hypocrite.


Originally posted by Ms.Marvel

sith apprentices? none. how many sith apprentices has maul actually on-panel defeated? how many people of actual importance and skill that has been proven on-panel has maul beaten?
Right and that means maul is weak and not skillful. Its such a wonder why sidious as of TPM is already called the most powerful practitionar of the dark side and the greatest sith master to wield the dark side despite not doing anything on panel, despite not killing anyone on panel.


Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
kit fisto easily defeated greivous who was pretty much the most devastating fighter in the CIS next to dooku. hes been not only stated as such but has the feats to back him up, defeating upwards of four or five jedi by himself and defeating both durge and ventress at the same time. greivous has actually displayed more prowess then maul, qui-gon, and anoon combined. defeating him with ease is a testimont to kit fitso's superiority. Right, he defeated 5 no named jedi, he defeated ventress that dooku pwned by lifting a finger and he supposidly displayed more combat prowess than 3 of them combined.

Right, he probably displayed more combat prowess than even dooku so that means he is far superior to dooku, great logic!

You forget that mace could easily beat kit fisto on any given day(and tooled palpatine)and he couldn't even break through qui gons defences.

Your also forgetting that kit fisto wields shii cho which is significantly weaker than the juyo form which maul was pushed "beyond the limit" to master.

EDIT.

You also forget that the same ventress GG beat, defeated kit fisto, The same ventress that vader would crush and the same vader that maul kicked the living crap out of in a saber duel.

If you wan't to use A>B>C here you go.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
the same vader that maul kicked the living crap out of in a saber duel.

I recall Vader defating Maul... Sure Maul may have been winning but the end result is what truly matters.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
Except for the fact that maul was weakened, exhausted, hungry.



C-canon quotes.

Sorry but canon quotes > your incredibly biased opinions.

Trying to discredit sources isn't going to help your arguments at all.
Actually if you ever had to ability to read and not ignore people, several members already brought out the fact that anoon's lightsaber skills were described as "second to none"(ergo, he surpassed yoda and mace at one point of time).

Accept it and move on with life.

Nothing, but as far as quotes and canon goes, he is "second to none".

But if you want more infro, he defeated quigon jinn, despite having his stamina weakend and qui gon had spared with mace windu several times and the intresting thing is mace, despite having one of the most powerful lightsaber forms(who put sidious on his ass) and one of the orders most skillful duelists couldn't break through qui gons defence and couldn't out duel him while quigon coouldn't out duel him either.

Yet maul managed to defeat quigon and hold his own despite being outnumbered 2 to 1.


Funny how quigon mentions that Maul was in control of the duel and Obiwan admits that even when he was using the dark side he was losing that advantage
(Source, TPM novel)

Accept it.


Your lying, the complete visual dictionary states one of the deadliest Sith apprentices in history

But theres a specific reason as to why he is called one of the deadliest sith apprentices in history, if his skills aren't as good and if he is not as skillful as you say, why did official sources even label him that way in the first place?

It takes skill to be labelled deadliest, not deadly.

While it is true that being labelled "deadly" is no indication of skill, being the "deadliest sith apprentice in history" is completely something else.



Problem is maul was severely weakened and exhausted and he "surprised" a sith lord that killed kit fisto with relative ease.


See the below.

Yeah featless wonders indeed, being able to go head to head with mace(who put sidious on his ass), being unable to break mace defences while mace couldn't even get past qui gons defences or out duel him.

Very very featless and useless. Being called legendary.

Funny how you say quotes dont cut it for you yet your using a quote which describes kit fisto's combat prowess. Hmm i smell a hypocrite.


Right and that means maul is weak and not skillful. Its such a wonder why sidious as of TPM is already called the most powerful practitionar of the dark side and the greatest sith master to wield the dark side despite not doing anything on panel, despite not killing anyone on panel.


Right, he defeated 5 no named jedi, he defeated ventress that dooku pwned by lifting a finger and he supposidly displayed more combat prowess than 3 of them combined.

Right, he probably displayed more combat prowess than even dooku so that means he is far superior to dooku, great logic!

You forget that mace could easily beat kit fisto on any given day(and tooled palpatine)and he couldn't even break through qui gons defences.

Your also forgetting that kit fisto wields shii cho which is significantly weaker than the juyo form which maul was pushed "beyond the limit" to master.

you know what forget it. im not going to continue discussing this with you going on in the way you are. talk to me with respect or dont talk to me at all. its your choice, but im not going to put up with you accusing me of stuff and telling me im illiterate. i'll respond to your points when youre ready to repond to mine with some maturity.

Damn, Wolvie. That's the first time someone has withdrawn from an argument with you that quickly.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I gotta say, this a very refreshing change from the recent monstrosities that have come out of those new members. Kudos.

well ive been here for almost three years... but thanks?

well i gues im new compared to you at least.




yes thats what the quote says. but thats not what ares said... which is the only reason i went down that path.




im assuming sideous ended up recovering and putting maul on his as well.




my gramma taught me that move.



oh yeah i agree with you to an extent. if kit wins it wont be an easy victory hell have to work for it.





its disgusting. the baddies are getting dragged through the dirt. did you see the trailer for the new season though? it looks somewhat promising.

Ugh. I refuse to watch that abomination. After the $10 I wasted on the movie and the single episode I watched, I vowed to never view another moment of it. As soon as we here are forced to bow to any and all ridiculous canon changes made to characters in that show is the day I give up on Star Wars. The odd game or saga film, but after that I'm finished. Can only hope Lucas suffers some crippling amnesia before then.

Stop being a jackass.
Stop being a jackass.

And a hypocrite.
This is the second time someone has throw this in your direction in two days. Read.

Stop being a jackass.
Maul defeated Qui-Gon Jinn when the man was pushing sixty; unlike some of his more powerful contemporaries, by that point he was already more vulnerable to exhaustion. This is made explicitly clear in the novelization.

Emphasis mine.

Stop being a jackass.

Uh, Aayla Secura?

K'Kruhk?

Ki-Adi-Mundi?

Shaak Ti?

Right.

Not only is this a shitty comparison... but it's a really shitty comparison. One, Dooku "pwned" Ventress with the Force while sitting on a planet steeped in the dark side, which made him more powerful than usual. Grievous is not a Force-sensitive, he does not fight with the Force. 'kay?

Two, being "pwned" by Dooku when he happens to be sitting on a planet steeped in the dark side, which made him more powerful than usual - notable, considering how powerful he usually is - isn't much of a mark against anybody.

Clear?

See above, and nice ABC.

General Grievous begs to differ. Hint: He was trained in all seven forms.

Aside from being just plain wrong half your post, you are being a jackass. This is the second time Marvel has dropped an argument with you on account of your hostility, yet from what I've seen she's been nothing but civil in dealing with you. You're lucky that I'm the one catching these instead of REX, but if you do this again I will consider reporting you myself. We already have a number of members acting like blithering idiots half the time they're here, we don't need another one.

Cut it out.

I get slapped in the face again. Can't say i don't deserve it though.

It used to be done all the time here. But back then it made you badass instead of a jackass.

I'm glad times changed.

But I'm actually curious as to who are these other "blithering idiots", I'm sure i could make a list of good candidates.

What do you think.

Layin' down the laaaaw.

I'm not ever really going to report you. After three and half years of begging it for it, the flood of new people hurts my brain. Seniors ftw.

I like being authoritative. I should be, like... an authoritarian.

Wolvie, you're a NutRider now. Bask in my testicular glory.

BI #1: *cough*Incanus*cough*

Soo whats your ranking system for the faunut empire goes?

There is no "empire."

*kaff*

And I'm not really ranking people, just listing them. Merit is gained by being right, i.e. agreeing with me.

But if anyone asks, Nemesis is NutRider Prime. I might need to put a restraining order on that guy, seriously.

Originally posted by Wolverine2179
But I'm actually curious as to who are these other "blithering idiots", I'm sure i could make a list of good candidates.

What do you think.

You'd better ask the FauNut. He was in Sorgo's gang of Antediluvians, he knows how the bashing was like.

Slash_KMC
You'd better ask the FauNut. He was in Sorgo's gang of Antediluvians, he knows how the bashing was like. I was the nice one. I didn't bash.

Except twice or something.

Anyway, the less said about that the better. I was, like... thirteen.

FauNuts FTW.

i think kolar could hold his own against malak or maul, same for fisto.

Originally posted by Eminence
Stop being a jackass.
Stop being a jackass.

And a hypocrite.
This is the second time someone has throw this in your direction in two days. Read.

Stop being a jackass.
Maul defeated Qui-Gon Jinn when the man was pushing sixty; unlike some of his more powerful contemporaries, by that point he was already more vulnerable to exhaustion. This is made explicitly clear in the novelization.

Emphasis mine.

Stop being a jackass.

Uh, Aayla Secura?

K'Kruhk?

Ki-Adi-Mundi?

Shaak Ti?

Right.

Not only is this a shitty comparison... but it's a really shitty comparison. One, Dooku "pwned" Ventress with the Force while sitting on a planet steeped in the dark side, which made him more powerful than usual. Grievous is not a Force-sensitive, he does not fight with the Force. 'kay?

Two, being "pwned" by Dooku when he happens to be sitting on a planet steeped in the dark side, which made him more powerful than usual - notable, considering how powerful he usually is - isn't much of a mark against anybody.

Clear?

See above, and nice ABC.

General Grievous begs to differ. Hint: He was trained in all seven forms.

Aside from being just plain wrong half your post, you are being a jackass. This is the second time Marvel has dropped an argument with you on account of your hostility, yet from what I've seen she's been nothing but civil in dealing with you. You're lucky that I'm the one catching these instead of REX, but if you do this again I will consider reporting you myself. We already have a number of members acting like blithering idiots half the time they're here, we don't need another one.

Cut it out.

so manly.

so authoritative.

i almost feel compelled to make you dinner.

almost.

He needs no dinner. He is a dinner. A platter of various Nuts.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
so manly.

hammer





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