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battle takes place on geonosis and everything goes.

Inconclusive.

Magnaguards are able to take on Kenobi and Skywalker in Revenge of the Sith and provide moderate difficulty; yet a squad of them were unable to defeat neophyte Ahsoka Tano in single combat, despite the fact that they outnumbered her three-to-one and she had to expend her energy to safeguard the child of Rotta the Hutt while simultaneously fending them off.

Meanwhile, an Emperor's Shadow Guard apparently gave the prodigious Galen Marek a great deal of trouble if you believe the novelization and comic book.

The problem is that there are vast inconsistencies for both Magnaguards and Shadow Guards. And according to LFL official Chris Cerasi, published EU works are mere windows into the galaxy itself, and some windows are foggier than others.

We have no way to make heads or tails of what is and what is not canon.

So it's best that you just don't come here for a while. We need to get this sort out.

but shadow guards also have force powers like force lightning and force push.

I dont think i ever saw them display lightning...... repulse and push, yeah.

in the force unleashed game they displayed force lightning.

They did lightning in the book.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They did lightning in the book.
But according to Chris the window could be foggy... We can't be sure they can truly use lightning.

Originally posted by Nephthys
They did lightning in the book. K thnx fro clarifying, been few weeks since i played.

anyways, i think shadow guard takes this due to the fact they have force powers and one of them held there own against marek for a short time.

Foggy doesn't mean 'seeing something that completely isn't there'. The fact that Marek's and a shadow guards lightning collided and for several paragraphs they attempted to push the others back in incontestable. Whether it was as difficult for Galen to win as it was portrayed is not. Things can be blurred, or warped by a foggy window, but you won't see a shadow cross the pane without something to cast it.

But Magnaguards( IG 100 series, grey colored) were able to hold their own against a jedi master and jedi knight, before being slaughtered. They were able to at least hold them for a few minutes, which i would consider impressive for droids.

Originally posted by Incanus
But Magnaguards( IG 100 series, grey colored) were able to hold their own against a jedi master and jedi knight, before being slaughtered. They were able to at least hold them for a few minutes, which i would consider impressive for droids.
True. But here is the problem in gauging there strength in the movies they are powerful... In the TV show they are easily being slaughtered by no name Jedi and brand new padawans. It makes no sense at all.

Different models?

Maybe. hey could be IG 99 or a different color..... In Lair of Grevious there were grey colored, but they were fought by a knight (who just became one) that could have already fallen to the dark side(doubted but words suggested it to me) nad a jedi master, Kit Fisto, a very good swordsman. (He was with the ones who tried to arrest Palpatine, right? the green guy with tentacle on his head, green saber that works underwater......)

yes. grey model is by far the most elite and is very rare.

Yeah, as they were the ones on the Invisible Hand (that was the name, right?)

Originally posted by bayhunter12
yes. grey model is by far the most elite and is very rare.
Most elite.

They were being destroyed by Nahdar...

yep. they are reliable due to the fact they can keep fighting after being decapitated. and if you need information to back up that they grey model is the most elite just check Star Wars The Complete visual dictionary.

Originally posted by bayhunter12
yep. they are reliable due to the fact they can keep fighting after being decapitated.
Oh, you were talking about the ones on the Invisible Hand...

Originally posted by ares834
Most elite.

They were being destroyed by Nahdar... He also only killed 2 or so. He cut through their central core, the glowing orange thing. I never got that feature...........

Why would they make it glowing orange? That's kinda obvious.

yes, the ones on the invisable hand are by far the best. But i still don't think they can beat a shadow guard.

Originally posted by Incanus
He also only killed 2 or so. He cut through their central core, the glowing orange thing. I never got that feature...........
There were at least three he killed. Possibly five. Anakin and Kenobi two of the greatest Jedi ever had a hard time with a single Magnaguard.

Maybe this is that foggy window thing. The ones on the hand might well have been complete losers, like they're kin, they still lost.

yes, but neither jedi had force lightning. which a shadow guard could use to just short circut them.

I hate that cartoon, they make all the guys that pwned in the movies, get pwned by Ahsoka, the one who cant shut up and actually do stuff. SHE EVEN HAD A TANTRUM THING IN 1 EPISODE!!!!!

i despise ashoka, her skills are way overated.

Yeah, a padawan should have been slaughtered by those Magnaguards........

and slaughtered by grevious.

Originally posted by bayhunter12
i despise ashoka, her skills are way overated.

Fisto his skills are too.

Nah, Fisto i can believe being a good swordsman and taking on Grevious. Even fighting Magnaguards and the like.

yep, anyway the shadow guard wins after about 10 minutes.

Nah, Magnaguards do the things they did with Kenobi and Skywalker, they get behind surround him, then proceed to fight. All the while acting like complete and utter fools because they are eating pie while doing it. I hate Magnaguards now, just annoying to have when padawans kill them. I could belive padawan Revan, Malak maybe, Bastila, or people like them, strong in the force, maybe even padawan Skywalker killing one or two, but not 100 in 1 series.

but with the shadow guard wielding force lightning, force push, and force repulse.he wins .

Not exactly. The grey ones were ment to have skills relative to a jedi. I think, but anyways, Shadowguards are assassins, not actualy fighter. Magnaguards are ment to see very heavy fighting. The grey ones were made especially for the Clone Wars i think, as bodyguards to the most important people.

yes, shadow guards were highly trained and the most skilled assains of their time.but they were also great close combat fighters do to the fact they were also trained to protect the emperor. plus they have really strong armor. and some of them held their own against galen marek for a short time.

Short being the keyword. I would say, 5 minutes alone, 15 minutes you you count all the shadowtroopers they threw at him. I think Kenobi and Skywalker could kill Marek, though he is an overpowered wampa.

agreed, but if there were two shadow troopers this match is over pretty quick.

Yes, but there arnt. So i stand by my theory of the Magnaguards winning due to advantage of numbers and combat protocols.

i stand by my theory because the shadow guard has extreme power with the force and decent skills with a saber. besides he could just short circut the magna guards with some force lightning.

There is where you are wrong. Shadowguards are barely trained, they are ment to silently kill some1 then leave. You are also forgetting they wernt trained to fight force-users, only anyone with no ability to command it. Force-users in this era were uncommon, as you know, so they would not be used to hunt them. That was Vaders job. Magnaguards were made in the time that force-users were plentiful, and were programmed to fight and even kill some of them.

Originally posted by Incanus
There is where you are wrong. Shadowguards are barely trained, they are ment to silently kill some1 then leave. You are also forgetting they wernt trained to fight force-users, only anyone with no ability to command it. Force-users in this era were uncommon, as you know, so they would not be used to hunt them. That was Vaders job. Magnaguards were made in the time that force-users were plentiful, and were programmed to fight and even kill some of them. True, however I haven't seen one instance where a Magnaguard has slain a Jedi, even Tano, killed some, and she had barely built her saber by then.

But Tano is made for little girls to say "Mommy! I want to be like her!" Otherwise Tano would be slaughtered by a single IG 100 grey Magnaguard. And i said most likely kill some, as in Padawans that arnt that powerful. Over the course of the war i would say at least 1 magnaguard had slain a jedi.

yes, but magna guards wouldn't withstand force lightning which shadow guards were able to wield, they would short circut.

Originally posted by Incanus
But Tano is made for little girls to say "Mommy! I want to be like her!" Otherwise Tano would be slaughtered by a single IG 100 grey Magnaguard. And i said most likely kill some, as in Padawans that arnt that powerful. Over the course of the war i would say at least 1 magnaguard had slain a jedi.
She'd probably be killed by the Hutt she was carrying. CIS aside, the point is semi-valid.

No one has said the material with which a Magnaguards outer casing was made of. They may not be conductors.

Originally posted by Incanus
No one has said the material with which a Magnaguards outer casing was made of. They may not be conductors. I was just looking that up, I can't find any source showing what it's made of, though there staves are ligtsaber resistant I wonder if they could catch the lightning on there?

and just for the record shadow guards were highly trained. And the magna guards outer casing is made of duranium. that doesn't matter because its inner circurty is still vunreable in some spots.

Idk. Looked up on shadow guards, they WERE sent to eliminate suspected jedi, but not 1 case has been recorded in which they actually succeeded. Vader ended up doing all the work. They were a cadre of soldiers in the Imperial Guard, founded and led by palpatine himself. They had a lightsaber pike along with a heavy blaster pistol. Magnaguards trained to fight jedi against guys that were trained to kill them but never actually succeeded. I would say it depends on the power and skill of the guard, then the Magnaguards chance can be formulated.

but i'm not sure if duranium is a conductor or not.

I dont think it is, as they possibly took into consideration that they may fight rogue dark jedi who knew lightning. Plo Koon could apparently do it, so they would have to be lightning proof to fight him.

Originally posted by bayhunter12
but i'm not sure if duranium is a conductor or not.
All i could find:
Duranium was a substance much stronger than either Transparisteel or Bronzium. It was extremely durable, light, and was capable of withstanding a glancing blow from a lightsaber; however, it also had a very high melting point, making it difficult to shape. It was however, fool proof against blasters and slugthrowers, only the continuous heat of a lightsaber able to melt through it.

Nothing about it being conductor or not.

Hmmm, if it can take a glancing lightsaber shot, i would say it would be able to stop lightning with a full body suit, which the Magnaguards have.

they're some openings in their armor.

But the thing is, can the guard hit them with teir style of fighting, which is more of a twirling motion with their staff? He would have to strike at precisly the right time, or he would miss.

yes, but force lightning would cosume the droids entire body. and once the lightning reaches the droids interior circurtry the magna guard is done for.

The guard will electrocute 1 for a few minutes so it is down, because the lightning will have to utterly destroy all circuitry before the droid dies, and by that time the others will kill him.

not necessisarily, if the shadow guard destroys one with lightning right from the beginning he has a chance. i figure he also destroys at least one magna guard with his saber pike.

Yes, he kills at least 2 of the 3, but he will die with the 3rd. His pike will be in another Magnaguard, one lays smoking in a heaping pile, the other has its staff in his back.

the shadow guard also has a very highly powerful blaster pistol with him which he could use to shoot the third magna guard if he still doesn't have his saber pike. plus i doubt the magna guards staff could penatrate the shadow guards armor. (mabeye after repeated strikes.)

The duranium is blaster fool proof, and i sont think he is accurate enough to go throught he duranium to the central control or any of the small uncovered sectons. There is lightning on the end, he would be electrocuted.

if the shadow guard can hit the magna guard's central processor it would destroy him. (and the central processor is unprotected.)

I should say this: Their combat protocols were erased. Grevious himself trained them in all 7 forms of lightsaber combat. Shadow Guards only know 1, so the Magnaguards win through skill alone. Btw is this 100, 101, 102, or what? I need to know as i have discovered many other models....

102, i think that's the best one made.

No, there was and IG-179, but 102 and 101 were onboard the Invisible Hand. If so, Magnaguards win.

yes, but the shadow guard is trained in the force by the emperor him self. and it's said the shadow guards armor offered very high protection against about anything.

Icluding electricity? Shadow guards were not trained to be powerful, only the high ranking ones were actually able to pull of any impreesive force power. Hence said, Magnaguards utilizing all 7 forms vs 1 guy using the force to a very limited degree and a saber pike Magnaguards win solely on numbers.

all shadow guards were powerful. there were only about mabeye 20 in the entire empire.

Originally posted by bayhunter12
all shadow guards were powerful. there were only about mabeye 20 in the entire empire. Where'd you get this number from?

There was an entire cadre of them, small as it was, 20 doesnt makie a cadre. Remember also how Magnaguards utilize Ataru in thir fighting, meaning they, with hydraulic jumping, jump around alot. I think it would be hard to hit them. Delta Squad used explosives to kill them. Or blasters, but they were uber clones that pwned spider droids. They could take a Shadow Guard, and i repeat:Numebers bring down the Shadow Guard.

perhaps, but the shadow guard doesn't go down easy. he detroys 2 magna guards at least.

Yes. He reduces 1 to a heping pile of trash, the other has a central processor with a hole in it. The third walks away thinking: That idiot killed 2 others. Oh well, it wasnt me he killed heheheh i got him first.

Originally posted by Incanus
Yes. He reduces 1 to a heping pile of trash, the other has a central processor with a hole in it. The third walks away thinking: That idiot killed 2 others. Oh well, it wasnt me he killed heheheh i got him first.
Still results in the Magna Guard winning.

Hey, I just realize i was on the winninng side for once happy dance

Yes. Very good.


I'm still waiting for bayhunter to answer my question.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Yes. Very good.


I'm still waiting for bayhunter to answer my question.
Aye, I'm also interested.

Sgadow Guard. These guys are the most powerful Imperial Troops there are. The Grievous Bodyguards, as evidinced in the clone wars show, couldn't kill a Jedi Knight as lousy as Nedar.

Originally posted by DarthDaniel1001
Sgadow Guard. These guys are the most powerful Imperial Troops there are. The Grievous Bodyguards, as evidinced in the clone wars show, couldn't kill a Jedi Knight as lousy as Nedar.
Wheres the evidence that The Shadowguards managed to kill any Jedi?

True, but is said that they are sent after suspected force-wielders and I've never seen Mangaguards kill any Jedi but please tell me if they have.

"suspected Force-wielders" doesn't really lend much credit to their reputation, really.

Dude, the Magnaguards take this due to the fact of numbers, and they are ment to be able to protect Grevious from jedi, sadly we have to take the new series as canon, but that isnt canon image of the others. Maybe they were like, IG 2 or something, these are IG 102, that stalled a jedi master and a jedi knight (Kenobi and Skywalker) for several minutes.

yes, but the shadow guard stalled a very strong sith for a few minutes.

Originally posted by bayhunter12
yes, but the shadow guard stalled a very strong sith for a few minutes. Lol, "stalled" and "for a few minutes".

And the Magnaguards stalled 2 very powerful jedi(A master Kenobi and Knight Skywalker) for a few minutes, even making them exert themselves. Marek didnt.

Originally posted by ares834
True. But here is the problem in gauging there strength in the movies they are powerful... In the TV show they are easily being slaughtered by no name Jedi and brand new padawans. It makes no sense at all.

Beg your pardon, but there is an explanation.

Not all MagnaGuards are identical. They are designed to learn and adapt, so just like living fighters they get better with time and experience.

The ones destroyed "by name Jedi and brand new padawans" were newly built 'rookies' while the ones in the movies were veterans who had been in a lot of battles and had developed their skills.

Anyway, I'd say three of them can defeat a single Shadow Guard.

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Did you ever think about that?

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