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Challenge

Herald of Galactus
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Green Lantern Corp
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Alright here is the Challenge; you must adhere to a the “Laws of Equivalent Exchange.”

“Laws of Equivalent Exchange”
Meaning, if someone presents a Herald Feat. Then one must reply with a GL feat of “equal or greater value.”.


Rules/Limitations
All Heralds of Galactus feats within the 616 reality used.
All Green Lantern, including Ion 2 feats can be used.
Post Crisis feats are allowed (if you can mark them).

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Example
Challenge

Planet Wrecking
Kyle blows up planet OA.
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Response

Surfer Blows up a planet in the middle of a fight.
Surfer vs. Morg.
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The Challenger, meets the defenders demand. At this point Challenger could lay a challenge for the Green Lantern Defender or abstain.

Challenge

Kyle triggers the Sun to go Super Nova.
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Originally posted by Ambient
Answered..

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Surfer repairs a sun from going nova..

Challenge..

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Surfer manipulation of high level magic..

Originally posted by darthgoober & Naija boy
Well unlike the GL's, I think Surfer's the only herald to have his own book . But here's one from Nova so it's not ALL Norrin...



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Alright so heres the challenge

Energy/matter manip

Surfer repairs the planet Sakaar (a planet multiple times bigger than earth) and strips and seals away the old power from skaar which is an energy source so immense, it could satiate Galactus hunger for a hundred thousand years. Uber feat
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Challenges
Pending challenges, that need to be met by a GL.
Surfer manipulating high level magic
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Energy/Matter manipulation
Planetary Scale matter & energy manipulation.
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Challenges
Energy/Matter manipulation - Planetary Scale matter & energy manipulation.


Surfer repairs the planet Sakaar (a planet multiple times bigger than earth) and strips and seals away the old power from skaar which is an energy source so immense, it could satiate Galactus hunger for a hundred thousand years. Uber feat

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Response
Ok here is one. I think it meets the challenge’s requirements vary nicely. The Traitor, takes control of a GL Ring, and effectively shrinks Earth to a sub atomic level (its inside the GL Ring).

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In order to neutralize the effect, Hal gives the Atom a duplicate ring to undo the massive size alteration.

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Well i dont think that response meet the challenge, its a combination of both Atom and the GL ring's powers unlike the Surfer feat.. Just my 2 cents...

Man!! I didn't know there was a battlezone thread...

Fun times. So basically, Surfer vs. the Corps? There'll likely be a few on each side that the other can't match specifically. Bonus points if someone finds a non-matchable herald feat that isn't from Surfer though.

Originally posted by Ambient
Well i dont think that response meet the challenge, its a combination of both Atom and the GL ring's powers unlike the Surfer feat.. Just my 2 cents...

Man!! I didn't know there was a battlezone thread...
Hmmm…mhmm…you have a point. The feat is partially due to the Atom.
Ok here is the alternative.

Kyle imprisons the Traitor, by recreating a shattered planet keeping Traitor in its core.
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Impressive feat but i really don't think that equal or surpassed the challenge but meeh, i'll leave it to Naijah or Darth since they're the one who posted it...

Here's another challenge since nobody posted anything from GL's side...

Here's Perceptor stripping/take apart someone and put it back.. I quess goes to bio-molecular feat..

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Originally posted by Digi


Fun times. So basically, Surfer vs. the Corps? There'll likely be a few on each side that the other can't match specifically. Bonus points if someone finds a non-matchable herald feat that isn't from Surfer though.
The Fallen One can manipulate black matter, have any GL's done that?

Originally posted by darthgoober
The Fallen One can manipulate black matter, have any GL's done that?

Do they even talk about black matter in DC? If not, then yeah that would be a winner. You can probably find anti-matter feats though from both sides.

Originally posted by Ambient
Impressive feat but i really don't think that equal or surpassed the challenge but meeh, i'll leave it to Naijah or Darth since they're the one who posted it...


As far as matter manipulation goes. I would say, it did surpass it. This one was better then the previous feat, done by Kiyle with Pluto. Its more then just simply repairing the planet. Hell their was nothing to repair, that planet was shattered to bits. Kyle effectively put it back together from the ambient debris.

Originally posted by id369
As far as matter manipulation goes. I would say, it did surpass it. This one was better then the previous feat, done by Kiyle with Pluto. Its more then just simply repairing the planet. Hell their was nothing to repair, that planet was shattered to bits. Kyle effectively put it back together from the ambient debris.

Perhaps,but surfers feat has it beaten in sheer scale. the planet Sakaar is 2 or 3 times larger than the entire earth. if i was to eyeball it, the planet kyle put together looks to be considerably smaller.(it looks similar to a moon)

I think its a fair comparison.

Surfer
Fixes the damage brought on a planet, and seals the old power in it.

GL Kyle
In order to contain a Top Tier Foe (causal planet wrecker, instant adaptation, powered by dead stars). He re-creates an entire planet. Sealing Traitor at its core.

Your comparing sealing cracks of a big planet, to mass terra reforming of a non existing planet.

Actually it's sealing an energy source inside of a planet that could sate Galactus for 100,000 years

Originally posted by id369
I think its a fair comparison.

Surfer
Fixes the damage brought on a planet, and seals the old power in it.

GL Kyle
In order to contain a Top Tier Foe (causal planet wrecker, instant adaptation, powered by dead stars). He re-creates an entire planet. Sealing Traitor at its core.

Your comparing sealing cracks of a big planet, to mass terra reforming of a non existing planet.


Actually it was alot more than a bunch of cracks in a planet. The whole planet was falling apart. Further what im talking about is the scale of the feat. Sakaar is 2 or 3 times the size of the planet earth and hence for surfer to repair it hed have to be reconstructing a huge amount of rock. Im not sure of the actual size of the planet that kyle reconstructed but eyeballing it it looked sort of small. Definitely didnt look earth sized at least. Hence the amount of rock being reconstructed by surfer might have been more than that in kyles feat.

We cant tell, how big planet Roma is. Eye balling, the size of it from scene is not a good indication. We don't know how far, Kyle was from Roma, at the time of his departure. All we know is that, Roma was previously flourishing planet, with intelligent life recently destroyed by Traitor.

I tell you what. We can place this one up for vote. In circumstances like this, 3 neutral judges can come in and decide if it pass or failed said challenge. Yay or Nay?

Originally posted by id369
We cant tell, how big planet Roma is. Eye balling, the size of it from scene is not a good indication. We don't know how far, Kyle was from Roma, at the time of his departure. All we know is that, Roma was previously flourishing planet, with intelligent life recently destroyed by Traitor.

I tell you what. We can place this one up for vote. In circumstances like this, 3 neutral judges can come in and decide if it pass or failed said challenge. Yay or Nay?

I know we cant really tell the size of the planet hence why i said surfer "might" be reconstructing alot more rock.

Also i actually think that given the unknowns we should assume the feat (the reconstructive part) is within the same range as the surfer feat and that it therefore passed the challenge . I was just digging to see if we could get anymore info on it.

Anyhow this feat still has another part to it the main part at that, which is the energy manipulation aspect.

Challenge - High Level Magic Manipulation
Herald
Pending challenges, that need to be met by a GL.
Surfer manipulating high level magic
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Green Lantern

Massive Magical feat.

All right. Members like to know about, outrageous feats. The conflicting and chaotic magic of the Starheart threaten the entire universe. Upon its release, it was felt across all dimensions within reality. Even the Spectre could not act fast enough, to preserve the universe from its cataclysm. It was a Green Lantern, that managed seal a portion of the Starheart. Enough to keep it from running too wild and causing any real trouble to farther threaten the stability of the universe.

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The scope of power the Starheart is on a level higher than the Odin power (can be debatable) however i think the energy (magical) manipulation part does not surpassed Surfer challenge, here's why; I don't think any GL can accomplish said so feat by itself, it requires a user with magical power/skills + the ring like Torque (ring + magic = this feat) kinda similar to the Atom/GL feat on the original thread in vs forum.. The PC on the other-hand not only sampled the Odin energy after it was remove but also combined that energy back to BRB's being (synthesized) and then made that sampled energy stronger (supercharged), I think that trumps sealing an unquantifiable magical energy with the ring and Torque magic, 2 separate types of power combined to accomplished that feat.. Just my 2 cents

Originally posted by Ambient
The scope of power the Starheart is on a level higher than the Odin power (can be debatable) however i think the energy (magical) manipulation part does not surpassed Surfer challenge, here's why; I don't think any GL can accomplish said so feat by itself, it requires a user with magical power/skills + the ring like Torque (ring + magic = this feat) kinda similar to the Atom/GL feat on the original thread in vs forum.. The PC on the other-hand not only sampled the Odin energy after it was remove but also combined that energy back to BRB's being (synthesized) and then made that sampled energy stronger (supercharged), I think that trumps sealing an unquantifiable magical energy with the ring and Torque magic, 2 separate types of power combined to accomplished that feat.. Just my 2 cents
Edit first reason, I was thinking Ring vs PC only..lol

still think Surfer's feat a little higher because he not only sampled the Odin energy after it was remove but also combined that energy back to BRB's being (synthesized) and then made that sampled energy stronger (supercharged), I think that trumps sealing an unquantifiable magical energy.

This isn't a huge feat but I was interested to see if any GL's have done anything similar.

Surfer creates a fire that will never burn out(so he basically creates a low level perpetual energy source)...

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7131/silversurfer05p49eternagv2.jpg

Originally posted by Ambient
The scope of power the Starheart is on a level higher than the Odin power (can be debatable) however i think the energy (magical) manipulation part does not surpassed Surfer challenge, here's why; I don't think any GL can accomplish said so feat by itself, it requires a user with magical power/skills + the ring like Torque (ring + magic = this feat) kinda similar to the Atom/GL feat on the original thread in vs forum.. The PC on the other-hand not only sampled the Odin energy after it was remove but also combined that energy back to BRB's being (synthesized) and then made that sampled energy stronger (supercharged), I think that trumps sealing an unquantifiable magical energy with the ring and Torque magic, 2 separate types of power combined to accomplished that feat.. Just my 2 cents

Arguments can be made about Surfer and his feat with Beta Ray Bill. But I don’t feel like deluding into a pointless argument on schematics. But I am standing on my ground that it’s a pure GL feat, because there is no panel evidence to show that Torque applied anything but Oan energy, to seal a portion of the Starheart.

What makes this GL feat superior is, the real time event (in the heat of battle) and the scope of the feat (The Universe was being effected). If you disagree offer, a 3 neutral judges to vote on it.

Did he actually seal it in the heat of the battle? Because im not sure i saw any such indication there. Further is there a scan of the actual sealing process(to know if he made use of any outside aid/magic or solely GL energy)? cuz i notcied that the scan immediately prior to the end was missing from the sequence of pages. Another question id like to ask is what is the object/device that the starheart was sealed in? Did it play any part,enable or assist in the process somehow? Lastly we dont even know how big a portion of the starheart was sealed.

When we consider all the ambiguities of this starheart feat and then compare it to the surfer feat in which he was performing a greater level of manipulation (sampling,synthesizing and then supercharging as opposed to just sealing) on an equally great energy source (Odinforce) surfers feat is superior.

In regards to the judges i propose Leonidas,illadelph, and Raoul if they are willing.

Surfer needed to trick Odin into his scheme, of aiding Beta Ray Bill. Willingly Odin would not have aided or better yet landed his hand to the Surfer, leaving in question if Surfer can pull this off on his own in real time. If I remember correctly; This was all in effort to cure Beta Ray Bill from its disease, after having BRB’s portion of the Odin Forced removed.


On the other hand, we do not know if Torque sealed a smaller/greater portion of the Starheart. That’s fine. However that’s not the significance of the feat. What is significant, is that rampage was effecting the entire universe when it ruptured. And not even Spectre acted fast enough to do something about it. It was Torque who stepped in, and sealed a portion of it, enough to stop the rampage. This in effect, ceased the disorder across the universe, and restored balance.


This is the entire scene from beginning to end.
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If you want to claim, that outside force needed to accomplish said feat. Please point it out. Otherwise, Torque was a GL member at the time. And nothing suggests he used magic but Oan energy to accomplish said feat.

Leonidas, illadelph, and Raoul for judge's, Seems fair, I will give them a pm.


BTW - Expect big posts from me. Its becuse I am busy with real life shiz, and no longer have the luxry of free time to spend here.

- Id

Leonidos, -Pr-, illadelph12, have agreed to be judges. This is the challenge that's being disputed.


Challenge - High Level Magic Manipulation
Herald
Pending challenges, that need to be met by a GL.
Surfer manipulating high level magic
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg



Green Lantern

Massive Magical feat.

All right. Members like to know about, outrageous feats. The conflicting and chaotic magic of the Starheart threaten the entire universe. Upon its release, it was felt across all dimensions within reality. Even the Spectre could not act fast enough, to preserve the universe from its cataclysm. It was a Green Lantern, that managed seal a portion of the Starheart. Enough to keep it from running too wild and causing any real trouble to farther threaten the stability of the universe.

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8932/glcorpsquarterly0743.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9386/glcorpsquarterly0744.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5065/glcorpsquarterly0746.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9383/glcorpsquarterly0747.jpg
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Originally posted by Ambient
The scope of power the Starheart is on a level higher than the Odin power (can be debatable) however i think the energy (magical) manipulation part does not surpassed Surfer challenge, here's why; I don't think any GL can accomplish said so feat by itself, it requires a user with magical power/skills + the ring like Torque (ring + magic = this feat) kinda similar to the Atom/GL feat on the original thread in vs forum.. The PC on the other-hand not only sampled the Odin energy after it was remove but also combined that energy back to BRB's being (synthesized) and then made that sampled energy stronger (supercharged), I think that trumps sealing an unquantifiable magical energy with the ring and Torque magic, 2 separate types of power combined to accomplished that feat.. Just my 2 cents

Originally posted by id369
Arguments can be made about Surfer and his feat with Beta Ray Bill. But I don’t feel like deluding into a pointless argument on schematics. But I am standing on my ground that it’s a pure GL feat, because there is no panel evidence to show that Torque applied anything but Oan energy, to seal a portion of the Starheart.

What makes this GL feat superior is, the real time event (in the heat of battle) and the scope of the feat (The Universe was being effected). If you disagree offer, a 3 neutral judges to vote on it.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Did he actually seal it in the heat of the battle? Because im not sure i saw any such indication there. Further is there a scan of the actual sealing process(to know if he made use of any outside aid/magic or solely GL energy)? cuz i notcied that the scan immediately prior to the end was missing from the sequence of pages. Another question id like to ask is what is the object/device that the starheart was sealed in? Did it play any part,enable or assist in the process somehow? Lastly we dont even know how big a portion of the starheart was sealed.

When we consider all the ambiguities of this starheart feat and then compare it to the surfer feat in which he was performing a greater level of manipulation (sampling,synthesizing and then supercharging as opposed to just sealing) on an equally great energy source (Odinforce) surfers feat is superior.

In regards to the judges i propose Leonidas,illadelph, and Raoul if they are willing.

Originally posted by id369
Surfer needed to trick Odin into his scheme, of aiding Beta Ray Bill. Willingly Odin would not have aided or better yet landed his hand to the Surfer, leaving in question if Surfer can pull this off on his own in real time. If I remember correctly; This was all in effort to cure Beta Ray Bill from its disease, after having BRB’s portion of the Odin Forced removed.


On the other hand, we do not know if Torque sealed a smaller/greater portion of the Starheart. That’s fine. However that’s not the significance of the feat. What is significant, is that rampage was effecting the entire universe when it ruptured. And not even Spectre acted fast enough to do something about it. It was Torque who stepped in, and sealed a portion of it, enough to stop the rampage. This in effect, ceased the disorder across the universe, and restored balance.



If you want to claim, that outside force needed to accomplish said feat. Please point it out. Otherwise, Torque was a GL member at the time. And nothing suggests he used magic but Oan energy to accomplish said feat.

Originally posted by darthgoober
The Fallen One can manipulate black matter, have any GL's done that?
Yes and here is the

Challenge.
Dark Matter Manipulation

Green Lantern

Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
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Originally posted by id369
Surfer needed to trick Odin into his scheme, of aiding Beta Ray Bill. Willingly Odin would not have aided or better yet landed his hand to the Surfer, leaving in question if Surfer can pull this off on his own in real time. If I remember correctly; This was all in effort to cure Beta Ray Bill from its disease, after having BRB’s portion of the Odin Forced removed.
I dont think it really make a diff. if he tricked Odin, what matters is the actual feat and that would be the way Surfer tampered with the Odin power after it was removed from Bill, to which i think is a better energy manipulation feat than that of the Starheart Gl feat; The process in the manipulation is more indepth and far better explained than say sealing a portion of an energy by putting it inside an orb construct made by a GL..
Now dont get me wrong, im not trying to downplay the starheart feat. It is very impressive because of what that power, its just basically like taking a sample and putting it inside an orb in comparison to Surfer feat. taking a sample putting it in a living being but even going farther by supercharging it, a far better manipulation of energy..

I've got to get back to work.. Ill finish later, if i've got something to add..

Originally posted by id369
Surfer needed to trick Odin into his scheme, of aiding Beta Ray Bill. Willingly Odin would not have aided or better yet landed his hand to the Surfer, leaving in question if Surfer can pull this off on his own in real time. If I remember correctly; This was all in effort to cure Beta Ray Bill from its disease, after having BRB’s portion of the Odin Forced removed.


On the other hand, we do not know if Torque sealed a smaller/greater portion of the Starheart. That’s fine. However that’s not the significance of the feat. What is significant, is that rampage was effecting the entire universe when it ruptured. And not even Spectre acted fast enough to do something about it. It was Torque who stepped in, and sealed a portion of it, enough to stop the rampage. This in effect, ceased the disorder across the universe, and restored balance.


This is the entire scene from beginning to end.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8932/glcorpsquarterly0743.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9386/glcorpsquarterly0744.jpg
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/5065/glcorpsquarterly0746.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9383/glcorpsquarterly0747.jpg
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If you want to claim, that outside force needed to accomplish said feat. Please point it out. Otherwise, Torque was a GL member at the time. And nothing suggests he used magic but Oan energy to accomplish said feat.

Actually Odin had absolutely nothing to do with the feat. It was ALL surfers own power that acomplished it. The only reason he had to trick Odin was because Odin wouldnt have allowed him to do so if he had known about it. Initially Odin had physically restrained surfer from doing anything to Beta ray bill when surfer suggested that he might succeed where Odin had failed. Furthermore Odin didnt actually aid surfer in the process. Heck he initially had no idea what surfer even did. The entire process of sampling,synthesizing and supercharging the Odin force was all surfer.

Further the questions i raised were very valid. The sealing process took place off panel apparently and so we dont even know how it was sealed or if he made use of outside aid of any kind. . Was the object the starheart was sealed in a gl construct (i didnt see any such indication) or was it something else? Then did it aid in the sealing process?. Further when u say that the spectre didnt act fast enough to do something about it, are u saying that the spectre was UNABLE to perform the same feat performed by torque or that he simply didnt act on time? They are two entirely different things.

As i said before, the surfer feat involves a much greater process of manipulation (sampling,supercharging and synthesizing) as opposed to sealing (which in itself happened off panel. When u then consider that the Odin force is a comparable energy source to the starheart and that the GL feat has alot of ambiguities as well then the Surfer feat is superior.

read the feat, and am mulling it over. how soon do you need an answer?

Right now, dammit!

Originally posted by -Pr-
read the feat, and am mulling it over. how soon do you need an answer?

i'll reread it again tomorrow and post a decision.

imo, as regards the "magic manipulation challenge" ss's feat>gl feat. ss's feat demonstrated a more in-depth manipulation. the gl feat is ambiguous in a couple ways. we don't know how much was sealed, we didn't see the actual FEAT of sealing, just the result. torque also has a background in magic. did it play a part? maybe not, but it can't be simply ignored either, imo.

that's not to say both feats aren't impressive, just that the ss's feat is a more direct example of MANIPULATING magical energy, imo.

Sorry for the missing scan. I guess Image shack did not, upload the entire set.

Torque succeeded where Spectre had failed.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1885/glcorpsquarterly0754.th.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1885/glcorpsquarterly0754.jpg


Granted Surfer did more. However, the Scope of Torque’s feat is far greater due to the fact, that these energies where running wild and ambient across the Universe. Regardless if it was smaller/greater portion of the magic energy sealed. It stopped universal cataclysm where a high powered cosmic character had failed.


Here is the entire thing again, with the missing scan.
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Originally posted by Naija boy


Further the questions i raised were very valid. The sealing process took place off panel apparently and so we dont even know how it was sealed or if he made use of outside aid of any kind. . Was the object the starheart was sealed in a gl construct (i didnt see any such indication) or was it something else? Then did it aid in the sealing process?. Further when u say that the spectre didnt act fast enough to do something about it, are u saying that the spectre was UNABLE to perform the same feat performed by torque or that he simply didnt act on time? They are two entirely different things.


The feat, took off panel.

Its difficult to say, if Spectre was unable to act out on time or unable to replicate the same feat. The scan narrates, him unable to act as fast. But it also narrates and visualizes that Spectre at the moment embodied the universe similar to Eternity.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1885/glcorpsquarterly0754.jpg

According to Torque, that’s the object that holds the Starheart. The object looks like a standard green construct, GL’s use to seal energy.



Originally posted by Ambient
I dont think it really make a diff. if he tricked Odin, what matters is the actual feat and that would be the way Surfer tampered with the Odin power after it was removed from Bill, to which i think is a better energy manipulation feat than that of the Starheart Gl feat; The process in the manipulation is more indepth and far better explained than say sealing a portion of an energy by putting it inside an orb construct made by a GL..
Now dont get me wrong, im not trying to downplay the starheart feat. It is very impressive because of what that power, its just basically like taking a sample and putting it inside an orb in comparison to Surfer feat. taking a sample putting it in a living being but even going farther by supercharging it, a far better manipulation of energy..

I've got to get back to work.. Ill finish later, if i've got something to add..

The Starheart is a combination of various magical energies. Both Chaotic and Conflicting energies. The significance is not simply putting energy in the green orb. it’s the fact, that these energies where let loose and already effecting reality as a hole.

Look at the pic, its already twisting reality.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1885/glcorpsquarterly0754.jpg

Torque effectively sealed enough to restore balance.
http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/7190/glcorpsquarterly0755.jpg

Originally posted by id369
Sorry for the missing scan. I guess Image shack did not, upload the entire set.

Torque succeeded where Spectre had failed.
http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/1885/glcorpsquarterly0754.th.jpg
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1885/glcorpsquarterly0754.jpg


Granted Surfer did more. However, the Scope of Torque’s feat is far greater due to the fact, that these energies where running wild and ambient across the Universe. Regardless if it was smaller/greater portion of the magic energy sealed. It stopped universal cataclysm where a high powered cosmic character had failed.


Here is the entire thing again, with the missing scan.
http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/8932/glcorpsquarterly0743.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/9386/glcorpsquarterly0744.jpg
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The feat, took off panel.

Its difficult to say, if Spectre was unable to act out on time or unable to replicate the same feat. The scan narrates, him unable to act as fast. But it also narrates and visualizes that Spectre at the moment embodied the universe similar to Eternity.
http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/1885/glcorpsquarterly0754.jpg


After seeing the scan its pretty clear that Spectre simply didnt act on time not that he couldnt replicate torques feat. Infact that was never shown or suggested anywhere. Therefore to say that Torque succeded where spectre failed is highly innaccurate. We can see even from the statement made by torque "its too late the magic is loose" that he is referring to actions that would be made to stop the starheart from rupturing.It had nothing to do with spectre, or any other of the beings who were mentioned, ability to control the starheart energies after they were released.

Now in regards to the scope, the Odin force has been shown to affect reality on a multiversal scale so it is indeed an energy source on the same level as the starheart. When we then consider that the level of actual manipulation involved as well as the fact that the actual sealing process was not shown nor do we know how much of the energy was sealed then id surfers feat is superior. Also in regards to this thread, torque apparently has a background in magic (as mentioned by leo) which should be further taken into account since we are trying to guage solely the power of Oan energy. This further strengthens surfers case.

You know the rest of the magic is still loose yet reality is still intact, it was only chaotic when the entity (Starheart)/consciousness was present but after it vanished and the magic poured into the universe nothing really happened, infact Sentinel even stated that when it does appear (consciousness returns) or something evil rise from it, he will be there to face it.. So what I'm trying to get at is maybe it lies dormant when no one or the entity/consciousness is controlling it therefore the magic that's sealed in the orb by Torgue is senile , i meant not dangerous..

Whats in question is really not about which one is the higher scope of power Starheart/Odin power but rather the manipulation of energy in which i think you agree the Surfers process was more in-dept..

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/18...arterly0754.jpg

I think that's the dimension where the Starheart is sealed being twisted before it finally broke not DC reality..

Originally posted by Naija boy
After seeing the scan its pretty clear that Spectre simply didnt act on time not that he couldnt replicate torques feat. Infact that was never shown or suggested anywhere. Therefore to say that Torque succeded where spectre failed is highly innaccurate.

i agree completely with this.

Luckily this is a Herald/Green Lantern Challenge in general, not simply narrowed down to individual’s. Of course, back ground knowledge will benefit a Green Lantern. I believe the same can be said about Heralds. The Green Lanterns are not Omniscient, but the manipulation of magic through Oan energy is well within reason if you understand it, and will it. How do you think the Starheart was collected in the first place? You often hear, that Green Lanterns are only limited by personal will, and imagination. However background knowledge, is often brought up to execute said feat. As in the case, with Kilo schooling Kyle in accelerated mutation, thanks to Kilo background in genetics.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0177/Untitled-Scanned-07

My point is, I would not try to short sell a GL’s feat due to back ground knowledge.

Regardless of the fact, if you deem Starheart equal to Odin. You cant take away, what happened. And that was to cease universal cataclysm, by sealing a portion of it. That is massive real time feat. Maybe not as versatile, but massive.

Originally posted by Ambient
So what I'm trying to get at is maybe it lies dormant when no one or the entity/consciousness is controlling it therefore the magic that's sealed in the orb by Torgue is senile , i meant not dangerous..



Vary doubtful, ripples where already effecting reality.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9383/glcorpsquarterly0747.jpg


The entire selling point of the plot, is the cataclysm following the rapture of the starheart. Or else, Alan would not have worried about his family back on Earth. Or the need for Torque to seal any of the Starheart.

Edit - I did not plan on getting too invovlved. Figgured I would only act as the score keeper. But I want to bump these becuse I am out of time.


Originally posted by darthgoober
This isn't a huge feat but I was interested to see if any GL's have done anything similar.

Surfer creates a fire that will never burn out(so he basically creates a low level perpetual energy source)...

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7131/silversurfer05p49eternagv2.jpg
It wont last for ever (only years), but its more complex perpetual energy source. An energy matrix to be exact.

The Energy Matrix should hold, the ring fused glass molecules for years to come.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0177/Untitled-Scanned-07
Originally posted by darthgoober
The Fallen One can manipulate black matter, have any GL's done that?

Yes and here is the

Challenge.
Dark Matter Manipulation

Green Lantern

Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28

The fallen one can manipulate dark matter but dobtfull if he can do it to that extent..

Question: Can Kyle even come close to that potential now? Specially since alot of circumstances changed within the GL corps..

Originally posted by id369
Vary doubtful, ripples where already effecting reality.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9383/glcorpsquarterly0747.jpg

The entire selling point of the plot, is the cataclysm following the rapture of the starheart. Or else, Alan would not have worried about his family back on Earth. Or the need for Torque to seal any of the Starheart.
That is when the entity Starheart was in control but when he vanished and the magic was loose in the Universe nothing happened..

Right thats what im saying, there is no one in control of the starhearth magic so at this point there is no danger (in-active). It goes with the sealed magic, it could had been easier to seal since the magic lied dormant.. See this here is a problem with ambiqous feat, it can lead to alot of speculation.

Originally posted by Ambient
The fallen one can manipulate dark matter but dobtfull if he can do it to that extent..

Question: Can Kyle even come close to that potential now? Specially since alot of circumstances changed within the GL corps..

To be honest. I am uncertain, I don’t think we where given a clear answer. After the restoration of the Central Battery, the only change in Kyle’s ring was that it will return to its user, and more energy reserve.

On a technical aspect, Kyle ring is suppose to be different from the rest of the corps.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3254/glsecretfiles2pg028.jpg/
Originally posted by Ambient
That is when the entity Starheart was in control but when he vanished and the magic was loose in the Universe nothing happened..

Right thats what im saying, there is no one in control of the starhearth magic so at this point there is no danger (in-active). It goes with the sealed magic, it could had been easier to seal since the magic lied dormant.. See this here is a problem with ambiqous feat, it can lead to alot of speculation.

Your assuming nothing happened because the Starheart entity got up and left. Truth be told, the Starheart entity left to recover from his fight with Alan (referenced in Heart of Darkness). However the only explanation we have, as to why the universe did not fall into total cataclysm following the rapture of the Starheart. Well its Torque explaining that he sealed a portion of it. You have to keep in mind, that the universe was already falling into cataclysm with just spills of the Starheart.

My gut says the Surfer feat is just that little bit more impressive. The impression i was getting was that Torquemada had used magic to imprison magic, but on the other hand, the surfer used the power cosmic to directly affect magic. that to me is the difference between the two feats, even if Torquemada did a somewhat bigger job.

Originally posted by -Pr-
My gut says the Surfer feat is just that little bit more impressive. The impression i was getting was that Torquemada had used magic to imprison magic, but on the other hand, the surfer used the power cosmic to directly affect magic. that to me is the difference between the two feats, even if Torquemada did a somewhat bigger job.


Originally posted by leonidas
imo, as regards the "magic manipulation challenge" ss's feat>gl feat. ss's feat demonstrated a more in-depth manipulation. the gl feat is ambiguous in a couple ways. we don't know how much was sealed, we didn't see the actual FEAT of sealing, just the result. torque also has a background in magic. did it play a part? maybe not, but it can't be simply ignored either, imo.

that's not to say both feats aren't impressive, just that the ss's feat is a more direct example of MANIPULATING magical energy, imo.


Only Delph’s is missing from the judges vote. But I suppose, we can do with 2/3 vote.

Personally I figured this feat was at the vary least, on the same league. I will keep looking I suppose.

Originally posted by id369
To be honest. I am uncertain, I don’t think we where given a clear answer. After the restoration of the Central Battery, the only change in Kyle’s ring was that it will return to its user, and more energy reserve.

On a technical aspect, Kyle ring is suppose to be different from the rest of the corps.
http://img170.imageshack.us/img170/3254/glsecretfiles2pg028.jpg/


Your assuming nothing happened because the Starheart entity got up and left. Truth be told, the Starheart entity left to recover from his fight with Alan (referenced in Heart of Darkness). However the only explanation we have, as to why the universe did not fall into total cataclysm following the rapture of the Starheart. Well its Torque explaining that he sealed a portion of it. You have to keep in mind, that the universe was already falling into cataclysm with just spills of the Starheart.
I actually pref. Kyle during his first run, char. is far more unique and now he just doesn't stand out much anymore..

Quess we have to wait for them to explore it..

Well i'll take your word, maybe..lol gotta work.

No need to take my word for it. Supposedly Kyle’s ring is built with less imperfections, from the rest of the corps. The only changes sans the empowering of the Central Battery. Where the modifications mentioned earlier. Improvements to his existing ring, but this is DC and like Marvel. Writers can ignore these changes.

Green Lantern v3 #150
http://h.imagehost.org/0402/Green_Lantern_v3_150_pg35.jpg
http://h.imagehost.org/0415/Green_Lantern_v3_150_pg36.jpg
http://h.imagehost.org/0322/Green_Lantern_v3_150_pg37.jpg

I am still working on it. But this information will be added to Kyle’s OA Files.
http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=498208

Originally posted by id369
Only Delph’s is missing from the judges vote. But I suppose, we can do with 2/3 vote.

Personally I figured this feat was at the vary least, on the same league. I will keep looking I suppose.

Sorry man. Been insanely busy with work. I'll try to read it over today.

Movement/Reaction speed:

Surfer fights Beta Ray Bill through space alongside his ship at FTL speeds:
Beta Ray Bill: God Hunter #2
Silver Surfer vs Beta Ray Bill

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Alright Mike, At the moment. I can only think of Hal vs. Sinestro where they fight from Earths Moon all the way to Planet Saturn.
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/4788/greenlanternrebirth0520.jpg
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Originally posted by illadelph12
Sorry man. Been insanely busy with work. I'll try to read it over today.

Not a problem.

Uncontested Challenges

Herald
Pending challenges, that need to be met by a GL.

Surfer manipulating high level magic
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg

Energy/Matter manipulation
Planetary Scale matter & energy manipulation.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7019.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7020.jpg

Bio Molecular Feat
Here's another challenge since nobody posted anything from GL's side...
Here's Perceptor stripping/take apart someone and put it back.. I quess goes to bio-molecular feat..
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/perpetrator1.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/perpetrator2.jpg




Green Lantern
Pending Challenges that need to be met by a Herald.

Energy/Dark Matter Manipulation
Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28

Challenge
Herald
Energy/Matter manipulation
Planetary Scale matter & energy manipulation.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7019.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7020.jpg


Response

Green Lantern
Planetary Matter Manipulation.
Planet OA, is completely reconstructed to its former glory. That is a massive matter manipulation feat, because it not just mass teraforming taking place. But celestial technology (from the Guardian’s ) and life (at least planet life) is completely restored.

Complete Planetary Restoration, on an advance civilization.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4523/gllegacypg101tdn.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9551/gllegacypg102.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6977/gllegacypg103.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5887/gllegacypg106.jpg

Ok heres another set of challenges for GLs

HEre Surfer extinguishes Medusas spark of life (he is in the process but stops before she is totally dead). I think this is basically lifeforce absorption.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferextinguishesbeingssparkoflife.jpg

Originally posted by Naija boy
Ok heres another set of challenges for GLs

HEre Surfer extinguishes Medusas spark of life (he is in the process but stops before she is totally dead). I think this is basically lifeforce absorption.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferextinguishesbeingssparkoflife.jpg

Manipulation of the Soul?
Black Lanterns aren't the only ones that can raise the dead.

Kyle brings his mother back to life.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6248/pic012o.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6757/pic013c.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1740/pic014.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4930/pic015.jpg

And then takes it away.
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/9741/pic016.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/3760/pic017.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/7097/pic018.jpg
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9238/pic019z.jpg

Lulz.

Challenge:

Kyle contains a big bang.

http://g.imagehost.org/view/0108/Superman_v2_173_pg14

Any of the heralds have a feat to match that?

Originally posted by batdude123
Lulz.

Challenge:

Kyle contains a big bang.

http://g.imagehost.org/view/0108/Superman_v2_173_pg14

Any of the heralds have a feat to match that?

Surfer transforms a universes worth of psychic/soul energy (which he steals from the unilord) into cosmic energy.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade3.jpg

Also wasnt kyle tapping into the ion power when he momentarily contained that big bang?

Originally posted by Naija boy
Also wasnt kyle tapping into the ion power when he momentarily contained that big bang?

Why, because OneDumG0 said so?

Jeph Loeb wrote that issue. I'm pretty sure he meant for it to be regular GL Kyle. Plus, it was never stated anywhere that he was.

Originally posted by batdude123
Why, because OneDumG0 said so?

Jeph Loeb wrote that issue. I'm pretty sure he meant for it to be regular GL Kyle. Plus, it was never stated anywhere that he was.

OnedumbGo isnt the only one who ive seen argue that (though yes he did make a compelling argument). Anyhow im not pressing that since im not an expert on the issue. I believe the surfer feat is good enough to meet the challenge regardless.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer transforms a universes worth of psychic/soul energy (which he steals from the unilord) into cosmic energy.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade3.jpg



GL Kyle is one of the six characters, who go about and absorb; plasma energy universe created by Parallax.
http://h.imagehost.org/0557/36_Zero_Hour_00_Page_16.jpg

I think I earned the right to place a challenge.


Challenge
Massive Time Manipulation
Green Lantern
In efforts to free the Spectre, who is caged in a foreign world. Alan accelerates time/history, to provoke the end of the World.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3376/jla03008.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5269/jla03009.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8240/jla03010.jpg

Originally posted by id369
GL Kyle is one of the six characters, who go about and absorb; plasma energy universe created by Parallax.
http://h.imagehost.org/0557/36_Zero_Hour_00_Page_16.jpg

I think I earned the right to place a challenge.


Challenge
Massive Time Manipulation
Green Lantern
In efforts to free the Spectre, who is caged in a foreign world. Alan accelerates time/history, to provoke the end of the World.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3376/jla03008.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5269/jla03009.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8240/jla03010.jpg

The kyle feat doesnt match the surfer feat at all though. First of all it was a shared feat with six characters and not only that they were not shown to complete the absorption, All that we see there is them beginning the absorption. We dont even know how much of the energy they absorbed in total nor do we know how much they absorbed individually which would be relevant in regards to kyle.

Also for the Alan feat, did the location have anything to do with the performance of the feat? what issue did it happen in?

Originally posted by id369




Green Lantern
Pending Challenges that need to be met by a Herald.

Energy/Dark Matter Manipulation
Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28

Okay as an answer to this challenge here a weakened Surfer challenges the energies of the Big crunch (energies which Galactus himself cannot handle for long). (Not exactly in the same vein but overall as an energy manip feat it definitely meets the challenge)

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy3.jpg

Originally posted by Naija boy
Okay as an answer to this challenge here a weakened Surfer challenges the energies of the Big crunch (energies which Galactus himself cannot handle for long). (Not exactly in the same vein but overall as an energy manip feat it definitely meets the challenge)

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy3.jpg
I don’t think this challenge is being contested properly. On one hand you have a character that creates a cosmic event in the form of a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter that binds all of reality. Channeling some of the crunch, though impressive seems off in regards to this specific challenge.

If Kyles feat, is too ambiguous to judge. The challenge should be rearranged more like so.


Challenge

Green Lantern
Pending Challenges that need to be met by a Herald.

Energy/Dark Matter Manipulation
Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28


Response
Herald
Surfer transforms a universes worth of psychic/soul energy (which he steals from the unilord) into cosmic energy.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade3.jpg

^^ This seems more fitting, since energy is being manipulated to effect the universe.
Originally posted by Naija boy

Also for the Alan feat, did the location have anything to do with the performance of the feat? what issue did it happen in?

JLA - 30
They are on The Astral Boundary. I don’t know if location has anything to do with it. Like I mentioned earlier I am not a Green Lantern specialist. I don’t keep track of Alan, Hal , or most of the Pri-Crisis stuff. I can awanser just about anything related to the current GL era and Kyle Rayner.

Originally posted by id369
I don’t think this challenge is being contested properly. On one hand you have a character that creates a cosmic event in the form of a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter that binds all of reality. Channeling some of the crunch, though impressive seems off in regards to this specific challenge.

If Kyles feat, is too ambiguous to judge. The challenge should be rearranged more like so.


Challenge

Green Lantern
Pending Challenges that need to be met by a Herald.

Energy/Dark Matter Manipulation
Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28




I see ur point. The crunch feat doesnt really deal with the same aspects as the Dark matter feat. Well this is the closet thing i could find

Here Stardust warps space and creates a Doorway to cosmic hell a dimension which houses cosmic demons.

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/7131/stormbreaker032122qr6.jpg


MAtter/energy manip challenge.

Surfer evolves a planet by billions of years in seconds

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet3.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet4.jpg

Stardust's feat seems like a fair trade.

Originally posted by Naija boy



MAtter/energy manip challenge.

Surfer evolves a planet by billions of years in seconds

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet3.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet4.jpg


Massive Time/Energy Manipulation
Green Lantern
In efforts to free the Spectre, who is caged in a foreign world. Alan accelerates time/history, to provoke the end of the World.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3376/jla03008.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5269/jla03009.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8240/jla03010.jpg

When I came across this feat by Alan, Surfers evolving feat came to mind. The processes differs, but the result is vary similar.

Originally posted by Ambient

Here's another challenge since nobody posted anything from GL's side...

Here's Perceptor stripping/take apart someone and put it back.. I quess goes to bio-molecular feat..

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/th_perpetrator1.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/th_perpetrator2.jpg

Hal protects himself and his friends from a Super Nova, and then converts his friends to “Negative Radiant energy”.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/JLA042_20.jpg

Isn't that Pre-Crisis?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Isn't that Pre-Crisis?

It is.

I'm not sure if that counts

Originally posted by Endless Mike
I'm not sure if that counts

Pri-Crisis feats are allowed.

Originally posted by id369
Hal protects himself and his friends from a Super Nova, and then converts his friends to “Negative Radiant energy”.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/JLA042_20.jpg
That should about do it...
Originally posted by id369
Massive Time/Energy Manipulation
Green Lantern
In efforts to free the Spectre, who is caged in a foreign world. Alan accelerates time/history, to provoke the end of the World.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3376/jla03008.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5269/jla03009.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8240/jla03010.jpg

When I came across this feat by Alan, Surfers evolving feat came to mind. The processes differs, but the result is vary similar.
So this is a respond to the Surfer evolving feat then or is it a challenge?

Originally posted by Ambient
That should about do it...

So this is a respond to the Surfer evolving feat then or is it a challenge?

I will stick with it being a response, to the Surfer's feat.

Energy output feat.- Challenge
Surfers blast so powerful it creates blackhole
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SurferoutputcreatesBlackhole.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferoutputcreatesblackhole2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SurferoutputcreatesBlackhole4.jpg

MATTER/ENERGY MANIP CHALLENGES

Extremely Weakened Surfer replicates and matches thanos' energy signature and output. (Its also notable that previously in annihilation thanos energies were to alien for phyla with the nega bands to even manipulate).
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferreplicatesthanosenergysignatu.jpg

Surfer manipulates Lunatiks DNA so that he is bound to a planet and will die if he leaves
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurferbindslunatiktoecosystem.jpg

This is a shared feat but still very impressive. Surfer and Cable vaporize providence island but simulataneously put it back together again while fighting each other.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SSvscable.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SSvsCable2.jpg

Originally posted by id369
I will stick with it being a response, to the Surfer's feat.
I'm really quite unsure about the comparability of the feat. The process is just way too different; One manipulated by force the actual concept of evolution and the other is manipulating the passage of time therefore we see evolution in its natural flow however we see no indication that the GL's (Sentinel's) power impacted/control/change the flow of evolution unlike what the challenge impose..

Even if we do compare both feats disregarding the process, i would still think the challenge is still a tad higher by way of comparing the measure of time involved; Surfer had it beat by roughly a billion years..

I can give you my reason as to why I deemed it as a proper response.

It was labeled as an energy/matter manipulation feat. Both applied energy, to accomplish some form of manipulation. It shares a similar end result, on a large scale. What was manipulated differed (Surfer manipulated matter, to Sentinel manipulating time). However it was never specified, what needed to be manipulated. I figured Naija boy was being a bit lenient and accepted it, because chances are your not going to find the exact same feat from either characters.


As for the time measurement/comparison. Its stated that Surfer force evolved a planet by a billion years worth. Sentinel accelerated history, by manipulating time to the world’s end. I have no idea, what the life span of an entire planet is other then its a lot.

Ohh right, fair nough..

Its Naija challenge anyway and am just trying to stir up this thread here .. too quite..

Or take it this way. I have not come across any scan, where any green lantern has evolved an entire planet.

Barring the evaluation feat, that’s the closest feat I could find.

Originally posted by id369
Or take it this way. I have not come across any scan, where any green lantern has evolved an entire planet.

Barring the evaluation feat, that’s the closest feat I could find.
It was a perfect example

Originally posted by id369
Or take it this way. I have not come across any scan, where any green lantern has evolved an entire planet.

Barring the evaluation feat, that’s the closest feat I could find.
I remember you posting somethin in that regard, i think it was in Kyle's respect thread..

Here we go..

http://g.imagehost.org/view/0177/Untitled-Scanned-07

Not as impressive as Surfers but much more similar..

And as far as the time feat. Surfer has something similar, his able to access with his power, where all time intersect and watch as the universe unfold and evolve but we really don't see him as having any control over those evolution, a much more similar feat to that of Sentinel..

Originally posted by Ambient
I remember you posting somethin in that regard, i think it was in Kyle's respect thread..

Here we go..

http://g.imagehost.org/view/0177/Untitled-Scanned-07

Not as impressive as Surfers but much more similar..

And as far as the time feat. Surfer has something similar, his able to access with his power, where all time intersect and watch as the universe unfold and evolve but we really don't see him as having any control over those evolution, a much more similar feat to that of Sentinel..

Yeah that one is probably Green Lanterns biggest evolutionary feat under his belt. But it was a joint effort, and not as big. So I didn't bother to post.

I seem to be the only one, posting in favor of the Green Lantern. I want to finish Kyle respect thread, and I have a stack of responsibilities on another forum.

Let me get the Kyle thread out of the way. And I will try to respond some of the challenges.

Ok I will take up two challenges at a time.

Originally posted by Naija boy
Energy output feat.- Challenge
Surfers blast so powerful it creates blackhole
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SurferoutputcreatesBlackhole.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferoutputcreatesblackhole2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SurferoutputcreatesBlackhole4.jpg

Green Lantern Response.

Here is Kyle containing a black hole in the center of the Sun, successfully decreasing its mass.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0881/18_6
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0792/19_2
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0599/20_17

Originally posted by Naija boy

This is a shared feat but still very impressive. Surfer and Cable vaporize providence island but simulataneously put it back together again while fighting each other.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SSvscable.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SSvsCable2.jpg
Green Lantern Response.

Kyle with Palmers help. Help rebuild Heavens Ladder. You can actually see the green constructs, replacing the destroyed technology holding some planets. Its one thing to rebuild tech…but something of this size, and soooo advance is a vary praise worthy feat.

http://g.imagehost.org/t/0332/JLA_Heavens_Ladder_p060.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0221/JLA_Heavens_Ladder_p062.jpg
http://g.imagehost.org/0332/JLA_Heavens_Ladder_p060.jpg
http://g.imagehost.org/0221/JLA_Heavens_Ladder_p062.jpg

Originally posted by Naija boy

Surfer manipulates Lunatiks DNA so that he is bound to a planet and will die if he leaves
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurferbindslunatiktoecosystem.jpg





Rann-Thanagar War #06
With Kilowog’s help (well mostly Kilo to be honest). Mass terraforming and accelerated mutation too produce atmosphere producing life forms. The Planet is then restablizied within its orbit.
http://g.imagehost.org/t/0177/Untitled-Scanned-07.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0524/Untitled-Scanned-20.jpg
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0177/Untitled-Scanned-07
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0524/Untitled-Scanned-20

Originally posted by id369
Yeah that one is probably Green Lanterns biggest evolutionary feat under his belt. But it was a joint effort, and not as big. So I didn't bother to post.
Like you said it was mostly the Wog, the other's just the clean up crew.. and

Bump---aged : - ).

Originally posted by id369
Ok I will take up two challenges at a time.


Green Lantern Response.

Here is Kyle containing a black hole in the center of the Sun, successfully decreasing its mass.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0881/18_6
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0792/19_2
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0599/20_17


Green Lantern Response.

Kyle with Palmers help. Help rebuild Heavens Ladder. You can actually see the green constructs, replacing the destroyed technology holding some planets. Its one thing to rebuild tech…but something of this size, and soooo advance is a vary praise worthy feat.

http://g.imagehost.org/t/0332/JLA_Heavens_Ladder_p060.jpg http://g.imagehost.org/t/0221/JLA_Heavens_Ladder_p062.jpg
http://g.imagehost.org/0332/JLA_Heavens_Ladder_p060.jpg
http://g.imagehost.org/0221/JLA_Heavens_Ladder_p062.jpg

The heavens ladder feat is extremely impressive but i dont think its in the same vein as the surfer and cable feat. The surfer and cable feat was an example of him rapidly manipulating the molecules of another substance while kyles was more of him using his green plasma constructs to replace the missing parts of the ship. He didnt actually apply direct mater manip to it.

OK but a superior matter manipulating feat was already posted.


Green Lantern
Planetary Matter Manipulation.
Planet OA, is completely reconstructed to its former glory. That is a massive matter manipulation feat, because it not just mass teraforming taking place. But celestial technology (from the Guardian’s ) and life (at least planet life) is completely restored.

Complete Planetary Restoration, on an advance civilization.
http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/4523/gllegacypg101tdn.jpg
http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/9551/gllegacypg102.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/6977/gllegacypg103.jpg
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/5887/gllegacypg106.jpg


Now the only trouble I am having is, matching energy signature/output Surfer did in regards to Thanos.

^True

Ok here is another challenge

Surfer completely strips sympira of her powers (she had energy powers,was durable enough to fly unaided in space etc)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferstripssympiraofherpowers.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferstripssympiraofherpowers2.jpg

This is a feat that showcases the acuteness of surfers senses. Here he instantly senses the sudden appearance of subatomic particles and a shift in the pattern of space which ends up being a space ship porting in through a warp hole. In other words trying to surprise surfer using teleportation or othwerwise is pretty futile.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silversurfersenesshiftinthepatte-1.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silversurfersenesshiftinthepatterno.jpg

This a a very nice matter/energy manipulation feat. Here surfer merges with the planet earth and manipulates it to stop its destruction.
http://img139.imageshack.us/i/ssplanetearthlm0.jpg/
http://img91.imageshack.us/i/ssplanetearth1by8.jpg/

Phuck!

Lucky for you, I actually have time to look up some GL comics. crackers

Originally posted by id369
Phuck!

Lucky for you, I actually have time to look up some GL comics. crackers

lol Im about to bust out surfers mental feats so get ready.

I forgot to add these to the energy manipulation/matter manipulation challenge above.

This is a feat that shows surfers great skill as well as range. Surfer is able to protect the drivetechs of a populations worth of starships from electromagnetic distortion coming from galactus' ship just by blinking. Note that these ships are in an entirely different location from where surfer is and yet he is still able to affect them so intricately.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfrom-2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfrom-1.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfromele.jpg

THis shows the great control SS has ove his molecular structure. he is able to restructure himself even after being smashed to bits by the unilord
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612019ue0.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612020py0.jpg




Mental/psychic challenges


Surfer channels his PC through his consciousness for a powerful mental attack that defeats the powerful psychic alien beings known as The Other.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/surferchannelshisPCthruhisconsci-1.jpg

This is another interesting challenge, Surfer senses the lifeforce of a dying ship (?) and becomes one with it gaining all its memories and experiences
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfersensesshipslifeforce2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfersensesshipslifeforce.jpg

Surfer is also not limited to the physical and can also fight and be very deadly on the astral plane. Here he is fighting a creature that is handing him his ass in the physical realm so he goes to the astral plane midbattle and destroys its spirit.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2003.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2004.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2005.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2006.jpg

The strength and range of his telepathy is shown here as he is able to use telepathy from galaxies away
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silversurferusestelepathyfromgalaxi.jpg

And this here is a really superb high level feat. Surfer is able to affect the minds of every living being on earth and erase all differences among them and bring about unity and worldpeace. Its only briefly but still a hugely impressive mental feat.
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7294/silversurfer199713317uh2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferinfluencesthemindsofevrybe-1.jpg

This shows how surfer matches up against other impressive telepaths. The creature that surfer is fighting here is a high level telepath that was able to easily break down the strong mental defenses of Nova prime richard rider. Not only does surfer easily read its mind, but he also destroys its "cone of psilence" which is its mental defence that it had used to shield itself from galactus.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferinvadeshighlevelpsychicsminda.jpg

This is another impressive one that shows great psychic skill, Here surfer begins to erase tenebraes consciousness. Note that the only reason he doesnt finish is because he holds back. Regardless its still a very good example of psychic skill and what he is capable of if pissed off.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/surferhttp://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/?action=view&current=surferleavingabeingdevoidofconsc-1.jpgleavingabeingdevoidofconsciou.jpg

Originally posted by Naija boy
I forgot to add these to the energy manipulation/matter manipulation challenge above.

This is a feat that shows surfers great skill as well as range. Surfer is able to protect the drivetechs of a populations worth of starships from electromagnetic distortion coming from galactus' ship just by blinking. Note that these ships are in an entirely different location from where surfer is and yet he is still able to affect them so intricately.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfrom-2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfrom-1.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfromele.jpg

THis shows the great control SS has ove his molecular structure. he is able to restructure himself even after being smashed to bits by the unilord
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612019ue0.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612020py0.jpg




Mental/psychic challenges


Surfer channels his PC through his consciousness for a powerful mental attack that defeats the powerful psychic alien beings known as The Other.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/surferchannelshisPCthruhisconsci-1.jpg

This is another interesting challenge, Surfer senses the lifeforce of a dying ship (?) and becomes one with it gaining all its memories and experiences
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfersensesshipslifeforce2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfersensesshipslifeforce.jpg

Surfer is also not limited to the physical and can also fight and be very deadly on the astral plane. Here he is fighting a creature that is handing him his ass in the physical realm so he goes to the astral plane midbattle and destroys its spirit.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2003.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2004.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2005.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2006.jpg

The strength and range of his telepathy is shown here as he is able to use telepathy from galaxies away
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silversurferusestelepathyfromgalaxi.jpg

And this here is a really superb high level feat. Surfer is able to affect the minds of every living being on earth and erase all differences among them and bring about unity and worldpeace. Its only briefly but still a hugely impressive mental feat.
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7294/silversurfer199713317uh2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferinfluencesthemindsofevrybe-1.jpg

This shows how surfer matches up against other impressive telepaths. The creature that surfer is fighting here is a high level telepath that was able to easily break down the strong mental defenses of Nova prime richard rider. Not only does surfer easily read its mind, but he also destroys its "cone of psilence" which is its mental defence that it had used to shield itself from galactus.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferinvadeshighlevelpsychicsminda.jpg

This is another impressive one that shows great psychic skill, Here surfer begins to erase tenebraes consciousness. Note that the only reason he doesnt finish is because he holds back. Regardless its still a very good example of psychic skill and what he is capable of if pissed off.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/surferhttp://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/?action=view&current=surferleavingabeingdevoidofconsc-1.jpgleavingabeingdevoidofconsciou.jpg

Pure awesome!

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Pure awesome!

thanks

Originally posted by id369
Hal protects himself and his friends from a Super Nova, and then converts his friends to “Negative Radiant energy”.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/JLA042_20.jpg

Here is a feat i found that is in the same vein as this one but more complex and a wider range.

Here the cosmic messiah who is a clone with surfers powers transforms first surfer and thing and then every living thing on the entire planet into their basest energy form on the quantum level in which they exist as mere wave patterns.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4661/messiahpr8.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7246/messiah1sv7.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6452/messiah2oz6.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5425/messiah3hx0.jpg

Surfer is capable of the same (obviously since his powers were what was used to accomplish it) and came very close to doing this to Tenebrae in battle but then held back. Still if ever bloodlusted this shows how deadly surfer can be.

Since Naija boy, bombed the topic with a wealth of feats. After we agreed to do one at time. Please no more feats, until I can get past all of these.

Herald
THis shows the great control SS has ove his molecular structure. he is able to restructure himself even after being smashed to bits by the unilord
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612019ue0.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612020py0.jpg


Green Lantern
His body was actually in different DIMENSIONS and he recovered a lot easier than SS did.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/Justice_League_of_America_149-29.jpg

Originally posted by id369
Since Naija boy, bombed the topic with a wealth of feats. After we agreed to do one at time. Please no more feats, until I can get past all of these.

Yeah sorry i forgot about that. but i did at least try to make sure that the feats i posted were unique and highlighted different aspects of surfers powers.