Herald’s of Galactus - Green Lantern Corp “Challenge”

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id369

id369
Challenge

Kyle triggers the Sun to go Super Nova.
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Originally posted by Ambient
Answered..

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Surfer repairs a sun from going nova..

Challenge..

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Surfer manipulation of high level magic..

Originally posted by darthgoober & Naija boy
Well unlike the GL's, I think Surfer's the only herald to have his own book laughing out loud . But here's one from Nova so it's not ALL Norrin...



http://i498.photobucket.com/albums/rr347/darthgoober/Silver_Surfer_1988_009_17.jpg
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Alright so heres the challenge

Energy/matter manip

Surfer repairs the planet Sakaar (a planet multiple times bigger than earth) and strips and seals away the old power from skaar which is an energy source so immense, it could satiate Galactus hunger for a hundred thousand years. Uber feat
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Challenges
Pending challenges, that need to be met by a GL.
Surfer manipulating high level magic
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg

Energy/Matter manipulation
Planetary Scale matter & energy manipulation.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7019.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7020.jpg

id369

Ambient
Well i dont think that response meet the challenge, its a combination of both Atom and the GL ring's powers unlike the Surfer feat.. Just my 2 cents...

Man!! I didn't know there was a battlezone thread...

Digi
laughing out loud

Fun times. So basically, Surfer vs. the Corps? There'll likely be a few on each side that the other can't match specifically. Bonus points if someone finds a non-matchable herald feat that isn't from Surfer though.

id369

Ambient
Impressive feat but i really don't think that equal or surpassed the challenge but meeh, i'll leave it to Naijah or Darth since they're the one who posted it...

Here's another challenge since nobody posted anything from GL's side...

Here's Perceptor stripping/take apart someone and put it back.. I quess goes to bio-molecular feat..

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/th_perpetrator1.jpg

http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/th_perpetrator2.jpg

darthgoober
Originally posted by Digi
laughing out loud

Fun times. So basically, Surfer vs. the Corps? There'll likely be a few on each side that the other can't match specifically. Bonus points if someone finds a non-matchable herald feat that isn't from Surfer though.
The Fallen One can manipulate black matter, have any GL's done that?

Digi
Originally posted by darthgoober
The Fallen One can manipulate black matter, have any GL's done that?

Do they even talk about black matter in DC? If not, then yeah that would be a winner. You can probably find anti-matter feats though from both sides.

id369
Originally posted by Ambient
Impressive feat but i really don't think that equal or surpassed the challenge but meeh, i'll leave it to Naijah or Darth since they're the one who posted it...


As far as matter manipulation goes. I would say, it did surpass it. This one was better then the previous feat, done by Kiyle with Pluto. Its more then just simply repairing the planet. Hell their was nothing to repair, that planet was shattered to bits. Kyle effectively put it back together from the ambient debris.

Naija boy
Originally posted by id369
As far as matter manipulation goes. I would say, it did surpass it. This one was better then the previous feat, done by Kiyle with Pluto. Its more then just simply repairing the planet. Hell their was nothing to repair, that planet was shattered to bits. Kyle effectively put it back together from the ambient debris.

Perhaps,but surfers feat has it beaten in sheer scale. the planet Sakaar is 2 or 3 times larger than the entire earth. if i was to eyeball it, the planet kyle put together looks to be considerably smaller.(it looks similar to a moon)

id369
I think its a fair comparison.

Surfer
Fixes the damage brought on a planet, and seals the old power in it.

GL Kyle
In order to contain a Top Tier Foe (causal planet wrecker, instant adaptation, powered by dead stars). He re-creates an entire planet. Sealing Traitor at its core.

Your comparing sealing cracks of a big planet, to mass terra reforming of a non existing planet.

Endless Mike
Actually it's sealing an energy source inside of a planet that could sate Galactus for 100,000 years

Naija boy
Originally posted by id369
I think its a fair comparison.

Surfer
Fixes the damage brought on a planet, and seals the old power in it.

GL Kyle
In order to contain a Top Tier Foe (causal planet wrecker, instant adaptation, powered by dead stars). He re-creates an entire planet. Sealing Traitor at its core.

Your comparing sealing cracks of a big planet, to mass terra reforming of a non existing planet.


Actually it was alot more than a bunch of cracks in a planet. The whole planet was falling apart. Further what im talking about is the scale of the feat. Sakaar is 2 or 3 times the size of the planet earth and hence for surfer to repair it hed have to be reconstructing a huge amount of rock. Im not sure of the actual size of the planet that kyle reconstructed but eyeballing it it looked sort of small. Definitely didnt look earth sized at least. Hence the amount of rock being reconstructed by surfer might have been more than that in kyles feat.

id369
We cant tell, how big planet Roma is. Eye balling, the size of it from scene is not a good indication. We don't know how far, Kyle was from Roma, at the time of his departure. All we know is that, Roma was previously flourishing planet, with intelligent life recently destroyed by Traitor.

I tell you what. We can place this one up for vote. In circumstances like this, 3 neutral judges can come in and decide if it pass or failed said challenge. Yay or Nay?

Naija boy
Originally posted by id369
We cant tell, how big planet Roma is. Eye balling, the size of it from scene is not a good indication. We don't know how far, Kyle was from Roma, at the time of his departure. All we know is that, Roma was previously flourishing planet, with intelligent life recently destroyed by Traitor.

I tell you what. We can place this one up for vote. In circumstances like this, 3 neutral judges can come in and decide if it pass or failed said challenge. Yay or Nay?

I know we cant really tell the size of the planet hence why i said surfer "might" be reconstructing alot more rock.

Also i actually think that given the unknowns we should assume the feat (the reconstructive part) is within the same range as the surfer feat and that it therefore passed the challenge . I was just digging to see if we could get anymore info on it.

Anyhow this feat still has another part to it the main part at that, which is the energy manipulation aspect.

id369
Challenge - High Level Magic Manipulation
Herald
Pending challenges, that need to be met by a GL.
Surfer manipulating high level magic
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg



Green Lantern

Massive Magical feat.

All right. Members like to know about, outrageous feats. The conflicting and chaotic magic of the Starheart threaten the entire universe. Upon its release, it was felt across all dimensions within reality. Even the Spectre could not act fast enough, to preserve the universe from its cataclysm. It was a Green Lantern, that managed seal a portion of the Starheart. Enough to keep it from running too wild and causing any real trouble to farther threaten the stability of the universe.

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Ambient
The scope of power the Starheart is on a level higher than the Odin power (can be debatable) however i think the energy (magical) manipulation part does not surpassed Surfer challenge, here's why; I don't think any GL can accomplish said so feat by itself, it requires a user with magical power/skills + the ring like Torque (ring + magic = this feat) kinda similar to the Atom/GL feat on the original thread in vs forum.. The PC on the other-hand not only sampled the Odin energy after it was remove but also combined that energy back to BRB's being (synthesized) and then made that sampled energy stronger (supercharged), I think that trumps sealing an unquantifiable magical energy with the ring and Torque magic, 2 separate types of power combined to accomplished that feat.. Just my 2 cents

Ambient
Originally posted by Ambient
The scope of power the Starheart is on a level higher than the Odin power (can be debatable) however i think the energy (magical) manipulation part does not surpassed Surfer challenge, here's why; I don't think any GL can accomplish said so feat by itself, it requires a user with magical power/skills + the ring like Torque (ring + magic = this feat) kinda similar to the Atom/GL feat on the original thread in vs forum.. The PC on the other-hand not only sampled the Odin energy after it was remove but also combined that energy back to BRB's being (synthesized) and then made that sampled energy stronger (supercharged), I think that trumps sealing an unquantifiable magical energy with the ring and Torque magic, 2 separate types of power combined to accomplished that feat.. Just my 2 cents
Edit first reason, I was thinking Ring vs PC only..lol

still think Surfer's feat a little higher because he not only sampled the Odin energy after it was remove but also combined that energy back to BRB's being (synthesized) and then made that sampled energy stronger (supercharged), I think that trumps sealing an unquantifiable magical energy.

darthgoober
This isn't a huge feat but I was interested to see if any GL's have done anything similar.

Surfer creates a fire that will never burn out(so he basically creates a low level perpetual energy source)...

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7131/silversurfer05p49eternagv2.jpg

id369

Naija boy
Did he actually seal it in the heat of the battle? Because im not sure i saw any such indication there. Further is there a scan of the actual sealing process(to know if he made use of any outside aid/magic or solely GL energy)? cuz i notcied that the scan immediately prior to the end was missing from the sequence of pages. Another question id like to ask is what is the object/device that the starheart was sealed in? Did it play any part,enable or assist in the process somehow? Lastly we dont even know how big a portion of the starheart was sealed.

When we consider all the ambiguities of this starheart feat and then compare it to the surfer feat in which he was performing a greater level of manipulation (sampling,synthesizing and then supercharging as opposed to just sealing) on an equally great energy source (Odinforce) surfers feat is superior.

In regards to the judges i propose Leonidas,illadelph, and Raoul if they are willing.

id369

id369
Leonidas, illadelph, and Raoul for judge's, Seems fair, I will give them a pm.


BTW - Expect big posts from me. Its becuse I am busy with real life shiz, and no longer have the luxry of free time to spend here.

- Id

id369

id369
Originally posted by darthgoober
The Fallen One can manipulate black matter, have any GL's done that?
Yes and here is the

Challenge.
Dark Matter Manipulation

Green Lantern

Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28

Ambient

Naija boy

-Pr-
read the feat, and am mulling it over. how soon do you need an answer?

batdude123
Right now, dammit!

leonidas
Originally posted by -Pr-
read the feat, and am mulling it over. how soon do you need an answer?

i'll reread it again tomorrow and post a decision.

leonidas
imo, as regards the "magic manipulation challenge" ss's feat>gl feat. ss's feat demonstrated a more in-depth manipulation. the gl feat is ambiguous in a couple ways. we don't know how much was sealed, we didn't see the actual FEAT of sealing, just the result. torque also has a background in magic. did it play a part? maybe not, but it can't be simply ignored either, imo.

that's not to say both feats aren't impressive, just that the ss's feat is a more direct example of MANIPULATING magical energy, imo.

id369

Naija boy

Ambient
You know the rest of the magic is still loose yet reality is still intact, it was only chaotic when the entity (Starheart)/consciousness was present but after it vanished and the magic poured into the universe nothing really happened, infact Sentinel even stated that when it does appear (consciousness returns) or something evil rise from it, he will be there to face it.. So what I'm trying to get at is maybe it lies dormant when no one or the entity/consciousness is controlling it therefore the magic that's sealed in the orb by Torgue is senile eek! , i meant not dangerous..

Whats in question is really not about which one is the higher scope of power Starheart/Odin power but rather the manipulation of energy in which i think you agree the Surfers process was more in-dept..

http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/18...arterly0754.jpg

I think that's the dimension where the Starheart is sealed being twisted before it finally broke not DC reality..

leonidas
Originally posted by Naija boy
After seeing the scan its pretty clear that Spectre simply didnt act on time not that he couldnt replicate torques feat. Infact that was never shown or suggested anywhere. Therefore to say that Torque succeded where spectre failed is highly innaccurate.

i agree completely with this.

id369

id369
Originally posted by Ambient
So what I'm trying to get at is maybe it lies dormant when no one or the entity/consciousness is controlling it therefore the magic that's sealed in the orb by Torgue is senile eek! , i meant not dangerous..



Vary doubtful, ripples where already effecting reality.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9383/glcorpsquarterly0747.jpg


The entire selling point of the plot, is the cataclysm following the rapture of the starheart. Or else, Alan would not have worried about his family back on Earth. Or the need for Torque to seal any of the Starheart.

id369
Edit - I did not plan on getting too invovlved. Figgured I would only act as the score keeper. But I want to bump these becuse I am out of time.


Originally posted by darthgoober
This isn't a huge feat but I was interested to see if any GL's have done anything similar.

Surfer creates a fire that will never burn out(so he basically creates a low level perpetual energy source)...

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7131/silversurfer05p49eternagv2.jpg
It wont last for ever (only years), but its more complex perpetual energy source. An energy matrix to be exact.

The Energy Matrix should hold, the ring fused glass molecules for years to come.
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Originally posted by darthgoober
The Fallen One can manipulate black matter, have any GL's done that?

Yes and here is the

Challenge.
Dark Matter Manipulation

Green Lantern

Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28

Ambient
The fallen one can manipulate dark matter but dobtfull if he can do it to that extent..

Question: Can Kyle even come close to that potential now? Specially since alot of circumstances changed within the GL corps..

Ambient
Originally posted by id369
Vary doubtful, ripples where already effecting reality.
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/9383/glcorpsquarterly0747.jpg

The entire selling point of the plot, is the cataclysm following the rapture of the starheart. Or else, Alan would not have worried about his family back on Earth. Or the need for Torque to seal any of the Starheart.
That is when the entity Starheart was in control but when he vanished and the magic was loose in the Universe nothing happened..

Right thats what im saying, there is no one in control of the starhearth magic so at this point there is no danger (in-active). It goes with the sealed magic, it could had been easier to seal since the magic lied dormant.. See this here is a problem with ambiqous feat, it can lead to alot of speculation.

id369

-Pr-
My gut says the Surfer feat is just that little bit more impressive. The impression i was getting was that Torquemada had used magic to imprison magic, but on the other hand, the surfer used the power cosmic to directly affect magic. that to me is the difference between the two feats, even if Torquemada did a somewhat bigger job.

id369

Ambient

id369

illadelph12

id369
Movement/Reaction speed:

Surfer fights Beta Ray Bill through space alongside his ship at FTL speeds:
Beta Ray Bill: God Hunter #2
Silver Surfer vs Beta Ray Bill

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Alright Mike, At the moment. I can only think of Hal vs. Sinestro where they fight from Earths Moon all the way to Planet Saturn.
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Originally posted by illadelph12
Sorry man. Been insanely busy with work. I'll try to read it over today.

Not a problem.

id369
Uncontested Challenges

Herald
Pending challenges, that need to be met by a GL.

Surfer manipulating high level magic
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-08.jpg
http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=CosmicPowersUnlimited05-10.jpg

Energy/Matter manipulation
Planetary Scale matter & energy manipulation.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7017.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7018.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7019.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/Skaar7020.jpg

Bio Molecular Feat
Here's another challenge since nobody posted anything from GL's side...
Here's Perceptor stripping/take apart someone and put it back.. I quess goes to bio-molecular feat..
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/perpetrator1.jpg
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll95/Roldzzzz/perpetrator2.jpg




Green Lantern
Pending Challenges that need to be met by a Herald.

Energy/Dark Matter Manipulation
Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28

id369

Naija boy
Ok heres another set of challenges for GLs

HEre Surfer extinguishes Medusas spark of life (he is in the process but stops before she is totally dead). I think this is basically lifeforce absorption.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferextinguishesbeingssparkoflife.jpg

id369
Originally posted by Naija boy
Ok heres another set of challenges for GLs

HEre Surfer extinguishes Medusas spark of life (he is in the process but stops before she is totally dead). I think this is basically lifeforce absorption.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferextinguishesbeingssparkoflife.jpg

Manipulation of the Soul?
Black Lanterns aren't the only ones that can raise the dead.

Kyle brings his mother back to life.
http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/6248/pic012o.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/6757/pic013c.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1740/pic014.jpg
http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4930/pic015.jpg

And then takes it away.
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http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9238/pic019z.jpg

batdude123
Lulz.

Challenge:

Kyle contains a big bang.

http://g.imagehost.org/view/0108/Superman_v2_173_pg14

Any of the heralds have a feat to match that?

Naija boy
Originally posted by batdude123
Lulz.

Challenge:

Kyle contains a big bang.

http://g.imagehost.org/view/0108/Superman_v2_173_pg14

Any of the heralds have a feat to match that?

Surfer transforms a universes worth of psychic/soul energy (which he steals from the unilord) into cosmic energy.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade3.jpg

Also wasnt kyle tapping into the ion power when he momentarily contained that big bang?

batdude123
Originally posted by Naija boy
Also wasnt kyle tapping into the ion power when he momentarily contained that big bang?

Why, because OneDumG0 said so?

Jeph Loeb wrote that issue. I'm pretty sure he meant for it to be regular GL Kyle. Plus, it was never stated anywhere that he was.

Naija boy
Originally posted by batdude123
Why, because OneDumG0 said so?

Jeph Loeb wrote that issue. I'm pretty sure he meant for it to be regular GL Kyle. Plus, it was never stated anywhere that he was.

OnedumbGo isnt the only one who ive seen argue that (though yes he did make a compelling argument). Anyhow im not pressing that since im not an expert on the issue. I believe the surfer feat is good enough to meet the challenge regardless.

id369
Originally posted by Naija boy
Surfer transforms a universes worth of psychic/soul energy (which he steals from the unilord) into cosmic energy.

http://s436.photobucket.com/albums/qq88/KherubimBacklash/?action=view&current=Upgrade3.jpg



GL Kyle is one of the six characters, who go about and absorb; plasma energy universe created by Parallax.
http://h.imagehost.org/0557/36_Zero_Hour_00_Page_16.jpg

I think I earned the right to place a challenge.


Challenge
Massive Time Manipulation
Green Lantern
In efforts to free the Spectre, who is caged in a foreign world. Alan accelerates time/history, to provoke the end of the World.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3376/jla03008.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5269/jla03009.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8240/jla03010.jpg

Naija boy
Originally posted by id369
GL Kyle is one of the six characters, who go about and absorb; plasma energy universe created by Parallax.
http://h.imagehost.org/0557/36_Zero_Hour_00_Page_16.jpg

I think I earned the right to place a challenge.


Challenge
Massive Time Manipulation
Green Lantern
In efforts to free the Spectre, who is caged in a foreign world. Alan accelerates time/history, to provoke the end of the World.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3376/jla03008.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5269/jla03009.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8240/jla03010.jpg

The kyle feat doesnt match the surfer feat at all though. First of all it was a shared feat with six characters and not only that they were not shown to complete the absorption, All that we see there is them beginning the absorption. We dont even know how much of the energy they absorbed in total nor do we know how much they absorbed individually which would be relevant in regards to kyle.

Also for the Alan feat, did the location have anything to do with the performance of the feat? what issue did it happen in?

Naija boy
Originally posted by id369




Green Lantern
Pending Challenges that need to be met by a Herald.

Energy/Dark Matter Manipulation
Oblivion creates a massive Quasar that feeds off the Dark Matter of the universe. Given a short period of time, it threaten to collapse the Universe itself.
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0522/Circle_of_Fire_2_27
http://g.imagehost.org/view/0408/Circle_of_Fire_2_28

Okay as an answer to this challenge here a weakened Surfer challenges the energies of the Big crunch (energies which Galactus himself cannot handle for long). (Not exactly in the same vein but overall as an energy manip feat it definitely meets the challenge)

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferchannelsthecrunchenergy3.jpg

id369

Naija boy

id369
Stardust's feat seems like a fair trade.

Originally posted by Naija boy



MAtter/energy manip challenge.

Surfer evolves a planet by billions of years in seconds

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet.jpghttp://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet3.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silver_Surfer_evolvesplanet4.jpg


Massive Time/Energy Manipulation
Green Lantern
In efforts to free the Spectre, who is caged in a foreign world. Alan accelerates time/history, to provoke the end of the World.
http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/3376/jla03008.jpg
http://img86.imageshack.us/img86/5269/jla03009.jpg
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8240/jla03010.jpg

When I came across this feat by Alan, Surfers evolving feat came to mind. The processes differs, but the result is vary similar.

id369

Endless Mike
Isn't that Pre-Crisis?

id369
Originally posted by Endless Mike
Isn't that Pre-Crisis?

It is.

Endless Mike
I'm not sure if that counts

id369
Originally posted by Endless Mike
I'm not sure if that counts

Pri-Crisis feats are allowed. embarrasment

Ambient

id369
Originally posted by Ambient
That should about do it...

So this is a respond to the Surfer evolving feat then or is it a challenge?

I will stick with it being a response, to the Surfer's feat.

Naija boy
Energy output feat.- Challenge
Surfers blast so powerful it creates blackhole
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SurferoutputcreatesBlackhole.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferoutputcreatesblackhole2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SurferoutputcreatesBlackhole4.jpg

MATTER/ENERGY MANIP CHALLENGES

Extremely Weakened Surfer replicates and matches thanos' energy signature and output. (Its also notable that previously in annihilation thanos energies were to alien for phyla with the nega bands to even manipulate).
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferreplicatesthanosenergysignatu.jpg

Surfer manipulates Lunatiks DNA so that he is bound to a planet and will die if he leaves
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurferbindslunatiktoecosystem.jpg

This is a shared feat but still very impressive. Surfer and Cable vaporize providence island but simulataneously put it back together again while fighting each other.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SSvscable.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/SSvsCable2.jpg

Ambient
Originally posted by id369
I will stick with it being a response, to the Surfer's feat.
I'm really quite unsure about the comparability of the feat. The process is just way too different; One manipulated by force the actual concept of evolution and the other is manipulating the passage of time therefore we see evolution in its natural flow however we see no indication that the GL's (Sentinel's) power impacted/control/change the flow of evolution unlike what the challenge impose..

Even if we do compare both feats disregarding the process, i would still think the challenge is still a tad higher by way of comparing the measure of time involved; Surfer had it beat by roughly a billion years..

id369

Ambient
Ohh right, fair nough..

Its Naija challenge anyway and am just trying to stir up this thread here eek! .. too quite..

id369

xJLxKing

Ambient

id369
Originally posted by Ambient
I remember you posting somethin in that regard, i think it was in Kyle's respect thread..

Here we go..

http://g.imagehost.org/view/0177/Untitled-Scanned-07

Not as impressive as Surfers but much more similar..

And as far as the time feat. Surfer has something similar, his able to access with his power, where all time intersect and watch as the universe unfold and evolve but we really don't see him as having any control over those evolution, a much more similar feat to that of Sentinel..

Yeah that one is probably Green Lanterns biggest evolutionary feat under his belt. But it was a joint effort, and not as big. So I didn't bother to post.

id369
I seem to be the only one, posting in favor of the Green Lantern. I want to finish Kyle respect thread, and I have a stack of responsibilities on another forum.

Let me get the Kyle thread out of the way. And I will try to respond some of the challenges.

id369

id369

Ambient
Originally posted by id369
Yeah that one is probably Green Lanterns biggest evolutionary feat under his belt. But it was a joint effort, and not as big. So I didn't bother to post.
Like you said it was mostly the Wog, the other's just the clean up crew.. and

Bump---aged : - ).

Naija boy

id369

Naija boy
^True

Ok here is another challenge

Surfer completely strips sympira of her powers (she had energy powers,was durable enough to fly unaided in space etc)
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferstripssympiraofherpowers.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferstripssympiraofherpowers2.jpg

This is a feat that showcases the acuteness of surfers senses. Here he instantly senses the sudden appearance of subatomic particles and a shift in the pattern of space which ends up being a space ship porting in through a warp hole. In other words trying to surprise surfer using teleportation or othwerwise is pretty futile.

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silversurfersenesshiftinthepatte-1.jpg

http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silversurfersenesshiftinthepatterno.jpg

This a a very nice matter/energy manipulation feat. Here surfer merges with the planet earth and manipulates it to stop its destruction.
http://img139.imageshack.us/i/ssplanetearthlm0.jpg/
http://img91.imageshack.us/i/ssplanetearth1by8.jpg/

id369
Phuck!

Lucky for you, I actually have time to look up some GL comics. crackers

Naija boy
Originally posted by id369
Phuck!

Lucky for you, I actually have time to look up some GL comics. crackers

lol stick out tongue Im about to bust out surfers mental feats so get ready.

Naija boy
I forgot to add these to the energy manipulation/matter manipulation challenge above.

This is a feat that shows surfers great skill as well as range. Surfer is able to protect the drivetechs of a populations worth of starships from electromagnetic distortion coming from galactus' ship just by blinking. Note that these ships are in an entirely different location from where surfer is and yet he is still able to affect them so intricately.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfrom-2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfrom-1.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfromele.jpg

THis shows the great control SS has ove his molecular structure. he is able to restructure himself even after being smashed to bits by the unilord
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612019ue0.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612020py0.jpg




Mental/psychic challenges


Surfer channels his PC through his consciousness for a powerful mental attack that defeats the powerful psychic alien beings known as The Other.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/surferchannelshisPCthruhisconsci-1.jpg

This is another interesting challenge, Surfer senses the lifeforce of a dying ship (?) and becomes one with it gaining all its memories and experiences
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfersensesshipslifeforce2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfersensesshipslifeforce.jpg

Surfer is also not limited to the physical and can also fight and be very deadly on the astral plane. Here he is fighting a creature that is handing him his ass in the physical realm so he goes to the astral plane midbattle and destroys its spirit.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2003.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2004.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2005.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2006.jpg

The strength and range of his telepathy is shown here as he is able to use telepathy from galaxies away
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silversurferusestelepathyfromgalaxi.jpg

And this here is a really superb high level feat. Surfer is able to affect the minds of every living being on earth and erase all differences among them and bring about unity and worldpeace. Its only briefly but still a hugely impressive mental feat.
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7294/silversurfer199713317uh2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferinfluencesthemindsofevrybe-1.jpg

This shows how surfer matches up against other impressive telepaths. The creature that surfer is fighting here is a high level telepath that was able to easily break down the strong mental defenses of Nova prime richard rider. Not only does surfer easily read its mind, but he also destroys its "cone of psilence" which is its mental defence that it had used to shield itself from galactus.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferinvadeshighlevelpsychicsminda.jpg

This is another impressive one that shows great psychic skill, Here surfer begins to erase tenebraes consciousness. Note that the only reason he doesnt finish is because he holds back. Regardless its still a very good example of psychic skill and what he is capable of if pissed off.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/surferhttp://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/?action=view&current=surferleavingabeingdevoidofconsc-1.jpgleavingabeingdevoidofconsciou.jpg

Lord Feron
Originally posted by Naija boy
I forgot to add these to the energy manipulation/matter manipulation challenge above.

This is a feat that shows surfers great skill as well as range. Surfer is able to protect the drivetechs of a populations worth of starships from electromagnetic distortion coming from galactus' ship just by blinking. Note that these ships are in an entirely different location from where surfer is and yet he is still able to affect them so intricately.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfrom-2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfrom-1.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfershieldsmillionsofshipsfromele.jpg

THis shows the great control SS has ove his molecular structure. he is able to restructure himself even after being smashed to bits by the unilord
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612019ue0.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612020py0.jpg




Mental/psychic challenges


Surfer channels his PC through his consciousness for a powerful mental attack that defeats the powerful psychic alien beings known as The Other.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/surferchannelshisPCthruhisconsci-1.jpg

This is another interesting challenge, Surfer senses the lifeforce of a dying ship (?) and becomes one with it gaining all its memories and experiences
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfersensesshipslifeforce2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surfersensesshipslifeforce.jpg

Surfer is also not limited to the physical and can also fight and be very deadly on the astral plane. Here he is fighting a creature that is handing him his ass in the physical realm so he goes to the astral plane midbattle and destroys its spirit.
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2003.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2004.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2005.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/comic/InThyName2006.jpg

The strength and range of his telepathy is shown here as he is able to use telepathy from galaxies away
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Silversurferusestelepathyfromgalaxi.jpg

And this here is a really superb high level feat. Surfer is able to affect the minds of every living being on earth and erase all differences among them and bring about unity and worldpeace. Its only briefly but still a hugely impressive mental feat.
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/7294/silversurfer199713317uh2.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferinfluencesthemindsofevrybe-1.jpg

This shows how surfer matches up against other impressive telepaths. The creature that surfer is fighting here is a high level telepath that was able to easily break down the strong mental defenses of Nova prime richard rider. Not only does surfer easily read its mind, but he also destroys its "cone of psilence" which is its mental defence that it had used to shield itself from galactus.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/Surferinvadeshighlevelpsychicsminda.jpg

This is another impressive one that shows great psychic skill, Here surfer begins to erase tenebraes consciousness. Note that the only reason he doesnt finish is because he holds back. Regardless its still a very good example of psychic skill and what he is capable of if pissed off.
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/surferhttp://s287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/?action=view&current=surferleavingabeingdevoidofconsc-1.jpgleavingabeingdevoidofconsciou.jpg

Pure awesome!

Naija boy
Originally posted by Lord Feron
Pure awesome!

big grin thanks

Naija boy

id369
Since Naija boy, bombed the topic with a wealth of feats. After we agreed to do one at time. Please no more feats, until I can get past all of these.

id369
Herald
THis shows the great control SS has ove his molecular structure. he is able to restructure himself even after being smashed to bits by the unilord
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612019ue0.jpg
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/kingaholu/Silver%20surfer%20feats/silversurfer199612020py0.jpg


Green Lantern
His body was actually in different DIMENSIONS and he recovered a lot easier than SS did.
http://img19.photobucket.com/albums/v58/Desaad/Hal%20Jordan/Hal%20Jordan2/Justice_League_of_America_149-29.jpg

Naija boy
Originally posted by id369
Since Naija boy, bombed the topic with a wealth of feats. After we agreed to do one at time. Please no more feats, until I can get past all of these.

Yeah sorry i forgot about that. but i did at least try to make sure that the feats i posted were unique and highlighted different aspects of surfers powers.

Desaad
Originally posted by Naija boy
Here is a feat i found that is in the same vein as this one but more complex and a wider range.

Here the cosmic messiah who is a clone with surfers powers transforms first surfer and thing and then every living thing on the entire planet into their basest energy form on the quantum level in which they exist as mere wave patterns.

http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/4661/messiahpr8.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/7246/messiah1sv7.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/6452/messiah2oz6.jpg
http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/5425/messiah3hx0.jpg

Surfer is capable of the same (obviously since his powers were what was used to accomplish it) and came very close to doing this to Tenebrae in battle but then held back. Still if ever bloodlusted this shows how deadly surfer can be.

The Silver Surfer proved definitively less powerful than the Messiah when the Messiah beat him and the Thing together though, wouldn't you say?

Desaad

Prep-Man
Great thread guys, keep it up! All of you.

Ambient
Originally posted by Desaad
The Silver Surfer proved definitively less powerful than the Messiah when the Messiah beat him and the Thing together though, wouldn't you say?
Nah! Surfer could outright kill him, even the Messiah admitted this..

abhilegend
Originally posted by abhilegend
Hal creates a universe.


http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489023_GL_Willworld083.jpg http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489024_GL_Willworld084.jpg http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489025_GL_Willworld085.jpg http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489026_GL_Willworld086087.jpg

Just about every lantern has done it BTW.

http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489027_GL_Willworld093.jpg http://s3d2.turboimagehost.com/t1/17489028_GL_Willworld094095.jpg

Can any of the heralds match this feat?

whistling

leonidas
lol i actually really enjoyed that story. another unique thing to a lantern--kyle created (subconsciously) other lanterns, of staggering power: a daxamite lantern, a manhunter lantern, a speedforce wielding lantern among them. each was so completely created he didn't KNOW he made them and each thought they lived full and complete lives. i don't have the scans anymore, but someone may--the story was told in circle of fire. i always found that feat completely amazing.

Golgo13
Originally posted by abhilegend
Can any of the heralds match this feat?

whistling

Was that a real universe? If so, freaking incredible.

abhilegend
Originally posted by Golgo13
Was that a real universe? If so, freaking incredible.
Yup, a totally real universe parallel to our own and by hal's own power. In fact there were incalculable number of universes created by rookie lanterns. A seasoned lantern like Sinestro was supposed to control all of them by himself though.

Epicurus
Originally posted by abhilegend
Can any of the heralds match this feat?

whistling
Captain Atom from DC. Legion from Marvel(he's a high herald level character at average portrayals).

Though these types of feats should not really be applicable since the herald in question is tapping into a greater external power source(except for Legion, who's simply unlocking a new powerset when he performs such a feat).

abhilegend

9jaboy
Lanterns are superior to heralds.
Everyone knows that.

abhilegend
Bump. I'm going to have some fun here.

operator616
The Hal universe creation showing is not valid since it's written by Dematteis. Sometimes to understand the comic you have to understand the writer. Dematteis believes in Hinduism: that all reality is an illusion. As such he believes that every human is capable of creating their own private realities, which are no less "real" or tangible than the primary universe. Since they are both, ultimately, illusions. It's an essential element of his story-telling.

He's used the same concept in a variety of his works including Silver surfer, Man thing, Spider-man, Dr Strange, Spectre, Dr Fate, Forever people, Supergirl, JLA, and that GL comic.

abhilegend
Originally posted by operator616
The Hal universe creation showing is not valid since it's written by Dematteis. Sometimes to understand the comic you have to understand the writer. Dematteis believes in Hinduism: that all reality is an illusion. As such he believes that every human is capable of creating their own private realities, which are no less "real" or tangible than the primary universe. Since they are both, ultimately, illusions. It's an essential element of his story-telling.

He's used the same concept in a variety of his works including Silver surfer, Man thing, Spider-man, Dr Strange, Spectre, Dr Fate, Forever people, Supergirl, JLA, and that GL comic.
That's a weird way to invalid a feat.

Can you let us know where he had other characters create an actual universe?

operator616
Originally posted by abhilegend
That's a weird way to invalid a feat.

Can you let us know where he had other characters create an actual universe?

Sure.

Here, it's outright stated that every human thought and decision brings forth a new cosmos:

http://imgur.com/JbMjFvd

Here, Tenebrae states that reality can be molded by our thoughts. Our (as in, sentient beings) consciousness can create secondary realities no less tangible than the primary one.

http://imgur.com/BHqIBY9

Both written by Dematteis.

Like i said. This Hinduism theme is used quite frequently by him in many of his works, it can be found in all the titles that i mentioned above.

This isn't me trying hard as i can to invalidate a feat (i dont really care, frankly), im legitimately highlighting Dematteis' intention when he wrote the comic. I mean, you can go on believing that he intended a rookie Hal to create a fully fledged universe with ease, if you want, but considering the above info which i provided, i think everybody will think twice before acknowledging the feat.

panthergod
..do you know who you are lecturing about Hinduism to? Lmaooo...

abhilegend
Originally posted by operator616
Sure.

Here, it's outright stated that every human thought and decision brings forth a new cosmos:

http://imgur.com/JbMjFvd

Here, Tenebrae states that reality can be molded by our thoughts. Our (as in, sentient beings) consciousness can create secondary realities no less tangible than the primary one.

http://imgur.com/BHqIBY9

Both written by Dematteis.

Like i said. This Hinduism theme is used quite frequently by him in many of his works, it can be found in all the titles that i mentioned above.

This isn't me trying hard as i can to invalidate a feat (i dont really care, frankly), im legitimately highlighting Dematteis' intention when he wrote the comic. I mean, you can go on believing that he intended a rookie Hal to create a fully fledged universe with ease, if you want, but considering the above info which i provided, i think everybody will think twice before acknowledging the feat.
This is quite unnecessary.

Thanks for the rundown on Hinduism though.

I really needed that.

HulkIsHulk
Originally posted by abhilegend
This is quite unnecessary.

Thanks for the rundown on Hinduism though.

I really needed that.
So what's your religion then? eek!

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