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vader said to the Emperor luke will join us or die (ESB) was he laying to him ?? i mean he didnt kill him did he?

well sometimes sith lie. i mean its not because they are bad people, its just that they are misunderstood.

oh and btw vader and sideous eventually were at the point where he would join them or die, at the end of rotj

he didn't kill him yet. If it came to the point when he has too, he will.

If I remember the fighting between Luke and Vader correctly, while there was a lot of yaking and not enough fighting going on, at one point Luke was blowing on about not wanting to fight and how there was still good beneath the black mask of you-know-who. It was not sinking into that thick skull of Vader, cuz he took a nice swing back at Luke with the red saber. Luke had to re-activate his saber and block it or else he would have been killed. So I think that Vader was willing to chop down his offspring just like he choked the kid's mother and how he mowed through several younglings.
It does take one to know one though, as he had his appendages removed by Dooku/Obi Wan himself.

Originally posted by ~:Mr.Anderson:~
well sometimes sith lie. i mean its not because they are bad

oh and btw vader and sideous eventually were at the point where he would join them or die, at the end of rotj

That sounds about right.

Originally posted by K-Dog
If I remember the fighting between Luke and Vader correctly, while there was a lot of yaking and not enough fighting going on, at one point Luke was blowing on about not wanting to fight and how there was still good beneath the black mask of you-know-who. It was not sinking into that thick skull of Vader, cuz he took a nice swing back at Luke with the red saber. Luke had to re-activate his saber and block it or else he would have been killed. So I think that Vader was willing to chop down his offspring just like he choked the kid's mother and how he mowed through several younglings.
It does take one to know one though, as he had his appendages removed by Dooku/Obi Wan himself. Or maybe Vader saw that Luke was not to be turned, so decided to kill him to save his own position as Palpatine's right hand.

Watching ESB last night, when Vader was talking to the Emperor via hologram, the Emperor was the one who told Vader that young skywalker must not become a Jedi. DV then brought up the idea that if he could instead be turned to the darkside, he would become a powerful ally. I thought that was interesting because the Emperor quickly agreed with him, even though I'm assuming they both knew there could only be 2 Sith. Hmm, it seems that a potential conflict of who would be the 2 of the potential 3 was created at that point.

Originally posted by K-Dog
Watching ESB last night, when Vader was talking to the Emperor via hologram, the Emperor was the one who told Vader that young skywalker must not become a Jedi. DV then brought up the idea that if he could instead be turned to the darkside, he would become a powerful ally. I thought that was interesting because the Emperor quickly agreed with him, even though I'm assuming they both knew there could only be 2 Sith. Hmm, it seems that a potential conflict of who would be the 2 of the potential 3 was created at that point.

It has never been explained in movie canon that there can only be two nor why. Its also possible that Sidious didn't teach him that. And of course, Sidious would've taken up Luke as his new apprentice. Vader already lost his potential at that point.

On the other hand, Vader did say he could overthrow Sidious in Ep III, I wonder if he meant it.

Originally posted by Placidity
It has never been explained in movie canon that there can only be two nor why. Its also possible that Sidious didn't teach him that. And of course, Sidious would've taken up Luke as his new apprentice. Vader already lost his potential at that point.

On the other hand, Vader did say he could overthrow Sidious in Ep III, I wonder if he meant it.
I think Vader planned on hm and Luke taking over

Yeah Vader wanted Luke by his side. Thats how the sith are o.o always killing thier masters in order to BE the master. And Vader could have his own son as his apprentice. shrug

That would have been interesting to see.

He wanted to save his son from falling

Darth Vader Join me.......... and we will rule the galaxcy as father and son