Van & Raven vs. Bit & Vega

Ranking the two in the following categories...
1. Willpower
2. Zoid-piloting skills

We have the hero and rival froM Zoids: Chaotic Century vs. the hero and rival froM Zoids: New Century Zero.

My personal rankin gwould be:

Willpower-
Bit
Van
Raven
Vega

The heroes always were more gutsy than the villains, especially in Bit's and Vega's case. Vega just wanted to have fun...it wasn't as big a thing for him to win as it was with the others.

Zoid Pilot Skill-
Vega
Raven
Van
Bit

Vega's ability with a Zoid is made that much more astounding by his young age. He's already in Raven's or Van's league and by the time he's their age, he should be better.

Bit survived most of his fihgts on guts and his canon lucky streak. He's not bad but he's not anything compared o the other 3 when it comes to pure skill.

In conclusion, I think Team 2 can take it bt only about 6/10.

Willpower:
- Van
- Bit
- Raven
- Vega

My reasons for this is simple, both Van and Raven are fighting in full blown wars, the consequences of them losing a fight is much higher than rankings and points in a competition, these guys deal with much deadlier situations, and there is no Battle Comission regulations or intervention to rely on. The types of combat demands a much higher toll of will to keep fighting, and Van shows us that he is willing to lay down his own life more than once to get the job done.

Skill:
- Van
- Raven
- Vega
- Bit

By the end of the Guardian Force arc, both Van and Raven are beyond compare in terms of true skill, Van even displays prodigious skills in Zoids he's never piloted before, such as a Helcat, a Pteras and a Rev Raptor, And Raven has been blowing away military instalations solo since before Chaotic Century, feats that the Backdraft couldn't emulate even with a full army backing them, Vegas got yalent and skill, but nowhere near that level.

Personally I think defeating 3 Genosaurers (I think that's what it was) over beating some fodder Zoids.

I'll admit I gotta rewatch NCZ and CC, though.

Raven and Van rape Bit and Vega

Willpower would go

Van
Raven
Bit
Vega

Skill
Raven
Van
Vega
Bit.

The organoids and pure skill is too much for Bit and Vega. They never had to fight every day for their lives.

Oh yes I'm sure Zeke getting nearly killed multiple times was for the best.

Having time to heal and hone your skill is better than desperately struggling to stay alive, that's just obvious. Not like it's as dire as you make it out to be. The CC crew had plenty of peaceful times.

As for willpower, Bit never turned into a zombie for years just because he lost a fight. His willpower is definitely above Raven's.

They were in constant war, and Zeke has way more high showings than low and you should know this. Bit and Vega have never fought for survival, they have never needed to truly go all out nor have they fought anything comparable to a Death Stinger or Deathsaurer. Tell me everytime Zeke almost died please? Zeke and Shadow makes this a horrible stomp.

Raven is pretty beastly.

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Bit and Vega never fought anything like a Death Stinger? You mean the same Death Stinger that effortlessly defeated all of them? (granted, Raven didn't have Shadow but he still would have lost) Well I wasn't aware getting your ass handed to you was so impressive.

And you totally missed the point. I said Zeke nearly died a couple times to destroy your "fighting all teh time is much betterz" argument. Fighting all the time results in losing a lot of the time. In fact, once Guardian Fore rolled around, Van spent most of the time losing.

Vega's Berserk Fury also shrugged off the combined charged particle cannons of 3 Geno Saurer. That's a feat that puts his oid easily up there with a lot of the stronger Zoids of CC/GF.

Err, no it doesn't, in fact the Genosaurers CPCs are canonically the weakest CPCs in all of ZOIDs... Both the Geno Breaker and the Blade Liger have survived far more powerful CPCs, namely the Death Series.

And it's true, neither Bit nor Vega have fought adversaries anywhere near as powerful as a Death Stinger or Death Saurer.

Who cares if its the weakest? It's not like it barely took the blasts. It was totally unharmed by 3 of them.

Thus the Berserk Fury's durability has an unkown upper-limit. However shrugging off the offensive powers of 3 Geno Saurers is a feat never matched by Van's Blade Liger.

And the Blade Liger never took the real DS' Charged Particle Cannon head-on.... Comparing it to what the Berserk Fury withstood is illogical.

And who cares if Bit and Vega never fought opponents on that level? Van and Raven were no match for them either. They won through plot device, running away and prep.

So just because Van and Raven fought, and lost, against greater opponents doesn't do much to impress me I'm afraid.

No, he took on a 16 equivalent nuke scaled CPC head on drom the Ultimate Death Saurer >>>>>> tanking 3 piddly Genosaurer CPCs by friggin leagues.

Van beat both Death saurers without prep, and was single handedly dismantling the Stinger till Hiltz retreated

One of us is misremembering to a great extent and I don't think it is me. The only thing that ever effected the Death Stinger at all was the Ultrasaurs' Gravity Cannon. If Van could take it on and win on his lonesome, they wouldn't have had to put all their hopes on those couple of shells the Doc had made. They also wouldn't ahve spent several epsidoes running away.

And Van only ever beat either Death Saurer do to prep. He was absolutely no match one-on-one and so he backed up and got tips on how to win. Like waiting for the vulnerable spot to open in the clone Death Saurer as it fired its cannon.

I'll admit I don't remember the final battle too well but I have a hard time believing a Blade Liger took the full power of the Ultimate Death Saurer... I'll check.

Van later on in the series took on the Death Stinger piloted by Hiltz and he severely damaged it. He had to call in Ambient to heal it.

I have both series complete on DVD.

Hiltz gettin mauled can be found in Episodes 65 & 66 oc CC: GF.

As for the Death Saurer... that becomes redundant when he takes down the UDS variant in ep 67

I'll reserve judgment till I rewatch the episodes in question.

On the note of withstanding the Ultimate Death Saurer's beams, there aret three possiblities.
1. the UDS wasn't fully charged.
2. The launching from the Gravity Cannon somehow enhanced the Liger's shield.
3. It was a pure, blatnat deus ex machina.

Or it could be that the mechanics where explained during the series. Because he accomplished it twice.

how would being shot out of a cannon increase the power of your shields? The Blade Liger was able to damage the Death Stinger, a zoid that can easily withstand atmospheric reentry.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Willpower:
- Van
- Bit
- Raven
- Vega

My reasons for this is simple, both Van and Raven are fighting in full blown wars, the consequences of them losing a fight is much higher than rankings and points in a competition, these guys deal with much deadlier situations, and there is no Battle Comission regulations or intervention to rely on. The types of combat demands a much higher toll of will to keep fighting, and Van shows us that he is willing to lay down his own life more than once to get the job done.

A lack of evidence is not evidence. Just because Bit and Vega are not fighitng full blown wars does not mean they can't if put in the same situation. Bit knew full well what could have happened to him when he was fighting the Fuhrer (Fury) on the Ultrasaurus, but he continued on and, in fact, got stronger as it progressed (of course, the awesome power of Liger Zero plays a part in that, as well.)

With that being said, however, here is my ranking:

Van
Bit
Raven
Vega

Its hard to judge on will power, being there is no pure defintion of will power to begin with. What constitutes as will? Does Raven being stupid and trying to fight through Van's shield count as will power?

Skill:
- Van
- Raven
- Vega
- Bit

By the end of the Guardian Force arc, both Van and Raven are beyond compare in terms of true skill, Van even displays prodigious skills in Zoids he's never piloted before, such as a Helcat, a Pteras and a Rev Raptor, And Raven has been blowing away military instalations solo since before Chaotic Century, feats that the Backdraft couldn't emulate even with a full army backing them, Vegas got yalent and skill, but nowhere near that level.

Vega is top. His raw ability is so much greater than Van's and Raven's, its not even funny. Likewise, Bit is skilled as well if you give into the opinion that it wasn't luck that helped him, but it was in fact just skill that he kept hidden.

Vega
Raven
Bit/Van

Hard to say reguarding Vega. He's definitely skilled, of that there is no question. But even so, he is a child progeny, but his skills remain undeveloped compared to Van & Raven. Dodging the way he did is a common skill in CC, Van learns it from Herman while fighting Raven. It's really just reacting to subtle signs from the opponent. Vega is a master of this skill, no question there. But later Van & Raven both develop ways around this deficiency. Plus, Vega's not good in high speed CQC, as evidenced by his battle with Bit... Van would utterly maul him in close, and Raven's Geno Breaker would overpower the Fury rapidly, the things the X - Breaker claws did to even Genosaurers would anihilate the Fury just as handily.

But we can't say they can handle any of the DS's without any comparable feats to suggest otherwise.

Originally posted by Darkstorm Zero
Hard to say reguarding Vega. He's definitely skilled, of that there is no question. But even so, he is a child progeny, but his skills remain undeveloped compared to Van & Raven.

Plus, Vega's not good in high speed CQC, as evidenced by his battle with Bit...

Van would utterly maul him in close, and Raven's Geno Breaker would overpower the Fury rapidly, the things the X - Breaker claws did to even Genosaurers would anihilate the Fury just as handily.

I don't think Van would maul him. Liger Zero is a better zoid than Van's Shield Liger, even with Van's skill and Zeke fused with it. The only reason why Vega was being beaten was because of Liger Zero, no other reason than that. As for the Breaker? Meh, I again disagree with you, I think the Fuhrer is what the Breaker wishes that it was.