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the archangel or the sorcerer?

huh? SiseNeg does'nt stand a chance in hell!

He's nowhere near this level!

GBD

Sise-Neg at his prime was the supreme being. Michael is only 1 aspect of the supreme being.

Sise-Neg wins.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Sise-Neg at his prime was the supreme being. Michael is only 1 aspect of the supreme being.

Sise-Neg wins.

LOL, Ahhh No, HELL NO!!!

GBD

You're reported for trolling. My patience is gone.

Sise wins again

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
You're reported for trolling. My patience is gone.

Too bad giving facts & opinon on a matter is'nt trolling!

Your getting beyond sad bro...

GBD

You have given NO facts. That's trolling, you're basically a child having a tantrum.

You - "No way is Sise-Neg more powerful than Michael. no, No, NOOOOOOOOO"

I'm afraid you're reported again.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33


I'm afraid you're reported again.

Yes I realize you are quite afraid of me for detroying your concept of certain beings in comics!

GBD

Nah, I'm trying to protect newer, less knowledgable posters from coming on and thinking you might actually be right.

Michael's Dunamis Demiurgos is greater than anything Sise-Neg showed

What he done that's greater than what Sise-Neg did?

Created a multiverse worth of power

But not the multiverse?

Sise-Neg did.

No, Sise-Neg just recreated the universe, he had to go back through time to gather magical energy to do so, in the process he encountered Shuma-Gorath and sealed him in another dimension (a dimension outside of the universe that he remade, he said he couldn't kill Shuma because Shuma could absorb his energy)

He recreated the prime universe (Earth 616) starting from the beginning of time. All the other divergent timelines go with it (the multiverse).

Then explain why Shuma-Gorath's timeline was unaltered?

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Then explain why Shuma-Gorath's timeline was unaltered?

What are you talking about? He stomped Shuma and locked him away in another dimension.

Yes, and then after he recreated the universe, it was revealed that he was the first one who banished him and that's why he was trying to get back. So Shuma was not reset along with the rest of the universe

The universe was recreated as it was. The only difference was Sise-Neg was God.

No, Sise-Neg gave up his power in order to recreate the universe. Did you even read the comic?

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33

He recreated the prime universe (Earth 616) starting from the beginning of time.

All the other divergent timelines go with it (the multiverse).

Originally posted by Endless Mike

No, Sise-Neg gave up his power in order to recreate the universe.

Did you even read the comic?
I read it, and Sise-neg was GOD!

And Sise-Neg did in fact absorb the mystical energies of all Timelines.
Sis-Neg was traveling across Timelines in his absorption,
Timelines are separate Universes representing different points in time.
(In 72' Universes were solely labeled "Dimensions" ... we later learned this means Universes)

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1974380_Dim_are_Uni.jpg

(pocket dimensions/universes are another story, that's stuff like Meph's realm or Asgard)

*

There's even a specific statement coming from Sise-Neg
that confirms it was more than a single Universe:

http://s1d4.turboimagehost.com/t/1974367_Sise2.jpg

"The Universe and beyond"


In the end, yea Sise-Neg refers to all Reality as "The Universe"
but so did the Alien Entity arc, THOTI/Thanos arc
and even the Insane Genis/Entropy arc, called "The Universe" yet ...
was literally stated in the arc, to involve the prime Multiverse,
and ALL of Creation)

Furthermore, according to Marvel:

There's only been one beginning,
and then there were 4 others that re-created that same beginning.

1. The original Universe (Infinity Being) collapses into a Void (Cosmic Egg)
it allows one life to survive (Galan) it merges with Galan in order to create a New Universe,
and so, a New Universe is created via the Big Bang, this is the Marvel Universe.

2. Sise-Neg, travels back in time & space,
as he drifts back he absorbs all the magical energy through all history,
when he reaches the Void (pre-Big Bang point) he has become "God"
he decides to re-create the Big Bang, and the same Marvel Universe is re-created.

3. Entropy evidently is Eternity's natural state recycling.
Entropy manipulates Genis into helping him end the Marvel Universe,
Creation returns to the Void,
from there,
Entropy explodes in the form of the Big Bang to re-create the Marvel Universe.

4. Thanos/THOTI, absorbs all reality, reality becomes a Void,
and it's the end of the Marvel Universe,
Thanos, Big Bang style, creates Reality, the Marvel Universe anew.

5. The Alien Entity stood in the void before the Big Bang,
the Alien Entity created the "Spark" that ignites creation with a thought,
The Alien Entity personally sparked the Big Bang with his own hands,
The Alien Entity indeed literally harnessed the energies of creation,
The Alien Entity (using Reed's mind as a guide) created the Marvel Universe and all its history.

.................................................................

Sis-Neg didn't want to battle Shuma Gorath because the battle would not have been easily won, and he did not want to lose any of his newly acquired energies.
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Shuma-Gorath/shumagorathsiseneg.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Shuma-Gorath/shumagorathsiseneg2.jpg
http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t173/EndlessMike9/Shuma-Gorath/shumagorathsiseneg3.jpg

From that instance we can *logically* come to the conclusion that Sis-Neg's power was NOT infinite.... Michael's demiurgic power, on the other hand, WAS.

Michael ftw.

He wasn't "God" at that point either goofus. He was still Sise-Neg.

"Goofus" heh. It never ceases to amaze me how you can tell the age/maturity level of certain users, just by reading some of their posts.

More on point: Sis basically sacrificed himself so the universe could be recreated. Michael released sufficient energy to create a Multiverse, then immediately reformed at his standard levels.

Michael ftw.

So then Michael never did anything Sise-Neg did?

Sise-Neg wins.

Originally posted by Merlyn

Sis-Neg didn't want to battle Shuma Gorath because the battle would not have been easily won, and he did not want to lose any of his newly acquired energies.
This doesn't challenge what I posted in any way.

And at that point, Sise-Neg wasn't even at full power,
that's beside the point,
as Shuma would'vew been stomped in the end,
only at the cost of some of Sise-Neg's energy,
which again, at that point was not nearly his full potential.
Originally posted by Merlyn

From that instance we can *logically* come to the conclusion that Sis-Neg's power was NOT infinite.... Michael's demiurgic power, on the other hand, WAS.
Actually, Sise-Neg had acquired infinite power!

He freaking re-created the infinite Marvelverse anew.
Originally posted by Merlyn

Michael ftw.
If Michael was ever the supreme being of DC,
then that version stalemates Sise-Neg at the height of his power,
otherwise, anything less gets blinked away.

Michael, with ease.

stoned
Originally posted by Mr Master

If Michael was ever the supreme being of DC,
then that version stalemates Sise-Neg at the height of his power,
otherwise, anything less gets blinked away.

is sise neg currently the supreme being in marvel?

Originally posted by Prep-Man

is sise neg currently the supreme being in marvel?
No.

He was for a short time,
but then gave up his power in the end,
and decided to to re-create the Marvelverse anew,
from the point before the Big Bang.

so, what if we use non godly sis?

That wouldn't really be fair.

Originally posted by Mr Master
Actually, Sise-Neg had acquired infinite power!

He freaking re-created the infinite Marvelverse anew. Here's the point: Sis had to sacrifice himself and his acquired power to recreate the Multiverse. Michael, on the other hand, released the same Multiverse-creating energy, then instantly reformed at his standard/uber levels in the very next panel.

So basically: one character died accomplishing the exact same task that another character easily endured.

Michael ftw.

Sise-Neg

Looks like they would be about equal, or more for Michael the Archangel like Merlyn said, how can you be supreme and still die?

Sise-Neg was never the Supreme Being. That would imply that TOAA somehow let him surpass him. At most, you could say that TOAA was simply leading him on, like he did to Thanos when he had the HOTU

TOAA is a dick that way

Sise-Neg was the Supreme Being(!) Under GOD.

Just like the Infinite Gauntlet was GOD, but under LT.

You should keep up, Mike. dur

Originally posted by Merlyn
Here's the point: Sis had to sacrifice himself and his acquired power to recreate the Multiverse. Michael, on the other hand, released the same Multiverse-creating energy, then instantly reformed at his standard/uber levels in the very next panel.

So basically: one character died accomplishing the exact same task that another character easily endured.

Michael ftw.

This assumes both multiverses are of the same size and scope. (debatable.) But assuming they are, you have a point.