Euthanasia: without the god argument

So, now lets just assume that gods not in the picture. the biggest argument you get regarding mercy killing is that god gives life and only he has the right to take it away.
but now, we delete god from the equation because not everyone believes in him. so what now?

Just remember that during the French revolution those who started sending people to the Gilbertine all ended up at the Gilbertine.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Just remember that during the French revolution those who started sending people to the Gilbertine all ended up at the Gilbertine.

a) Gilbertine?
b) People asked to go to this Gilbertine?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
a) Gilbertine?
b) People asked to go to this Gilbertine?

That would be a guillotine, stupid spell checker. 😮

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Just remember that during the French revolution those who started sending people to the guillotine all ended up at the guillotine.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/+Euthanasia

Now that we've established that the French Revolution doesn't apply here let's move on.

Wouldn't the free will argument negate the God argument anyways?

Originally posted by inimalist
Wouldn't the free will argument negate the God argument anyways?

Not necessarily. Free will only says you are able to make choices, not that you should be allowed to. If that makes any sense.

fair enough, but wasn't that all born from the early treatment of Jews, where they were not to be forcibly converted.

Augustinian tolerance, or something like that, iirc. Aquinas later elaborated on it.

Like, isn't the rule that man has the right to sin, though face the consequences?

Also, wouldn't "unto the Caesars" apply?

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/+Euthanasia

Now that we've established that the French Revolution doesn't apply here let's move on.

I'm sorry that my miss spelling got in the way of you understanding my point. I will then reword it for you.

The people who impose Euthanasia on others run the risk of having Euthanasia impose on them. A god is just an excuse to prevent this reckless path.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The people who impose Euthanasia on others run the risk of having Euthanasia impose on them.

Euthanasia is voluntary, not imposed

EDIT: it would be like saying those who assist in suicide risk also being assisted in their suicide.

The people who impose Euthanasia on others run the risk of having Euthanasia impose on them. A god is just an excuse to prevent this reckless path

anyway, those who impose euthanasia run the risk of having it done on them? well, idealistically, these people shouldn't be having a problem with undergoing euthanasia too. i'm all for euthanasia. and i wouldn't mind it being carried out on me. provided that's what i want. in fact that makes it alright. its when a pro-euthanasia carries it out on someone whose anti-euthanasia or viseversa is when you have a problem.

also, i just love how people say, "oh, only god has the right to take life away" but then think its alright to murder people in his name. not to mention the number of times you here "god can't be known" but people still go around pretending they know exactly how he thinks.

~Sado

Originally posted by inimalist
Euthanasia is voluntary, not imposed

EDIT: it would be like saying those who assist in suicide risk also being assisted in their suicide.

Not always. Under the Nazis, Euthanasia was used to kill many disabled people.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Not always. Under the Nazis, Euthanasia was used to kill many disabled people.

lol

ok, so we can redefine what we are talking about to mean something dramatically different

murder shouldn't be sanctioned. I don't think you really fail to see how doctor assisted voluntary suicide is different than murder though.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol

ok, so we can redefine what we are talking about to mean something dramatically different

murder shouldn't be sanctioned. I don't think you really fail to see how doctor assisted voluntary suicide is different than murder though.

I am in support of assisted suicide, but I don't like the word Euthanasia because governments have misused it in the past. I also think that there are logical reasons why religions have taboos like the one against suicide.

murder shouldn't be sanctioned. I don't think you really fail to see how doctor assisted voluntary suicide is different than murder though.

~Sado
P.S *wonders if he could've given a better analogy* 😮

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am in support of assisted suicide, but I don't like the word Euthanasia because governments have misused it in the past. I also think that there are logical reasons why religions have taboos like the one against suicide.

But it's pretty obvious what we mean when we say euthanasia in this context. It is, by definition, not imposed on anyone.

Originally posted by Sado22
murder is killing without conscent. euthanasia is killing with conscent. why people call it murder is beyond me...its like confusing a dominatrix with a polcie officer just because they both use handcuffs

~Sado
P.S *wonders if he could've given a better analogy* 😮

How about: It's like confusing a police officer with a dominatrix because they both lock your penis in a cage and force you to act like a cute little puppy?

Then are you talking about the person who may help someone commit suicide, or the person who is committing suicide?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Then are you talking about the person who may help someone commit suicide, or the person who is committing suicide?

I can hardly imagine a circumstance in real life where you're in a clinic or hospital that provides euthanasia and would have to force a person to kill you. Anyway, people who support euthanasia as a choice you get to make they wouldn't simulanteously support forcing someone to do it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I can hardly imagine a circumstance in real life where you're in a clinic or hospital that provides euthanasia and would have to force a person to kill you. Anyway, people who support euthanasia as a choice you get to make they wouldn't simulanteously support forcing someone to do it.

What?

This thread is not well defined.

So when we delete god from the equation, are we talking about the person who may help someone commit suicide, or the person who is committing suicide?

Try: If ignoring the religious claim that all life is sacred and that only the creator has the right to end it, tied specifically with the idea that a community should be operated under such commandments, are there any arguments against euthanasia, defined as the voluntary agreement between doctor and patient whereby the doctor ends the patient's life, regularly to avoid a much more painful death, being an acceptable practice within a community?