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with a twist.

They are chained together by an unbreakable chain.

discuss.

Thanos pimp slaps supes and he goes flying.. without one of his arms...

you just took away supes only chance now he cant speed blitz him

nother spite thread.

Superman dies in one panel and I would pay big money for that book.

Supes can't even win in a normal match...this is spite...

Originally posted by Slaanesh
Supes can't even win in a normal match...this is spite...

Originally posted by shiv
with a twist.

They are chained together by an unbreakable chain.

discuss.

What's the chain supposed to do? It's not like Supes would avoid a close quarters fight with Thanos.

Superman's abilities thrive in close quarters, including his speed. He doesn't need to fly around, and I'm guessing the chain limits Thanos' defensive options (namely the energy shield).

It favors Supes if you remove the shield.

Thanos doesn't even need the shield to handle Supes...

Originally posted by Allankles
What's the chain supposed to do? It's not like Supes would avoid a close quarters fight with Thanos.

Superman's abilities thrive in close quarters, including his speed. He doesn't need to fly around, and I'm guessing the chain limits Thanos' defensive options (namely the energy shield).

It favors Supes if you remove the shield. actually it cripples supes speed blitz was the only advantage he had now its gone thanos doesn't need his shield he can take supes w/o it

Originally posted by thanos-prime
actually it cripples supes speed blitz was the only advantage he had now its gone thanos doesn't need his shield he can take supes w/o it

How would it cripple Supes speed blitz? Having a chain doesn't make Supes any slower, weaker or tougher.

Originally posted by Allankles
How would it cripple Supes speed blitz? Having a chain doesn't make Supes any slower, weaker or tougher.

limits his mobility, restricting the usefulness of speed. Thanos isn't exactly slow, either- it basically makes this a slugfest where Thanos' greater durability almost guarantees a win.

Originally posted by shiv
with a twist.

They are chained together by an unbreakable chain.

discuss. reminds me of the Goku/Buu fight.

As always, Thanos 10/10.

Originally posted by Allankles
What's the chain supposed to do? It's not like Supes would avoid a close quarters fight with Thanos.

Superman's abilities thrive in close quarters, including his speed. He doesn't need to fly around, and I'm guessing the chain limits Thanos' defensive options (namely the energy shield).

It favors Supes if you remove the shield.

with the problems superman has with despero, his strength and duribility are not up to par with thanos's without a large sunamp.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
As always, Thanos 10/10.

Originally posted by zeel
with the problems superman has with despero, his strength and duribility are not up to par with thanos's without a large sunamp.

Despero? I don't see him as more than a peer. What makes you think his average is better than Supes?

As always Thanos rapes Superman. 10/10 Thanos, Superman loses 10/10

Originally posted by Space M ummy
limits his mobility, restricting the usefulness of speed. Thanos isn't exactly slow, either- it basically makes this a slugfest where Thanos' greater durability almost guarantees a win.

I know it limits mobility, but since when did Supes need to be flying around to use speed and skill? Much of his speed displays are in close quarters.

Supes would get way more shots in than Thanos, logically that should translate to more victories for Supes.

Problem of course is people like to group Superman with guys like Gladiator et al simply because of similar power sets.

I've seen people say that if Thanos was a DC character Supes would've whooped him, mainly the say this to emphasize that PIS would have to be involved for such an event to occur.

How about that Superman is simply more than tough enough and strong enough to hang with most people? He's hang with so many powerful beings, it ridiculous to call this spite.

And sun dipping? C'mon. He sun dips to save the universe not to battle a guy who's probably his inferior in the areas of strength and speed.

thanos wins

I doubt it. Maybe a younger Supes.

get real Allankles...they are not even in the same league...Thanos stomp on people like Supes all the time...

Who knows...Supes may wrap that chain around Thanos' neck and choke him out...like Hulk did to Abomination in their movie...lol.

Considering Bloodlust is on as per forum Rules Choking is Permitted

No restrictions on Sundipping. Superman can drag Thanos at FTL speed into the nearest Star At any moment during the course of the fight to Buff Up.

2 questions:
1. How long is the chain?
2. Where is the chain placed on their bodys?

Being spite and all, I imagine the chain is to stop Superman from getting away when they take his blindfold off and sees his opponent is Thanos.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
2 questions:
1. How long is the chain?
2. Where is the chain placed on their bodys?

1 55 feet.
2 Handcuffs an enchantment is in operation so Thanos can't phase away/port etc

Superman beats ths shit out of him.

Originally posted by shiv
1 55 feet.
2 Handcuffs an enchantment is in operation so Thanos can't phase away/port etc

If it's that long.. shit Thanos is gonna make superman his yo yo.

Originally posted by Allankles
I know it limits mobility, but since when did Supes need to be flying around to use speed and skill? Much of his speed displays are in close quarters.

Supes would get way more shots in than Thanos, logically that should translate to more victories for Supes.

Problem of course is people like to group Superman with guys like Gladiator et al simply because of similar power sets.

I've seen people say that if Thanos was a DC character Supes would've whooped him, mainly the say this to emphasize that PIS would have to be involved for such an event to occur.

How about that Superman is simply more than tough enough and strong enough to hang with most people? He's hang with so many powerful beings, it ridiculous to call this spite.

And sun dipping? C'mon. He sun dips to save the universe not to battle a guy who's probably his inferior in the areas of strength and speed. he is not inferior in str could possibly be superior and just because he gets more shots in doesn't mean he will win i mean thanos beat the silver surfer to death in 8 punches and adam warlock in like 3

Spite. Thanos 10/10. With a few minutes Sundip, it becomes less spite but is still Thanos 10/10.

Thanos.

They get into one of those wacky scenarios like you see on sitcoms when two people are handcuffed together.

Can't Superman like vibrate through the chains. Fly to the sun. Comeback and kill Thanos.

The fight turns into a new buddy comedy!

Prunechin and the Journalist!

Originally posted by Endless Mike
They get into one of those wacky scenarios like you see on pornos when two people are handcuffed together.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Can't Superman like vibrate through the chains. Fly to the sun. Comeback and kill Thanos. pretty sure the enchantment counts for supes to anyway i still think he would lose if he was sun dipped

I envision a manly game of tug 'o war occurring, after which they shake hands and sit down for a game of cards.

Originally posted by Allankles
I know it limits mobility, but since when did Supes need to be flying around to use speed and skill? Much of his speed displays are in close quarters.

Supes would get way more shots in than Thanos, logically that should translate to more victories for Supes.

Problem of course is people like to group Superman with guys like Gladiator et al simply because of similar power sets.

I've seen people say that if Thanos was a DC character Supes would've whooped him, mainly the say this to emphasize that PIS would have to be involved for such an event to occur.

How about that Superman is simply more than tough enough and strong enough to hang with most people? He's hang with so many powerful beings, it ridiculous to call this spite.

And sun dipping? C'mon. He sun dips to save the universe not to battle a guy who's probably his inferior in the areas of strength and speed.

Allan Allan Allan, by no means is Thanos supes inferior when it comes to strength. That is just silly its comical. Thanos is his superior when it comes to strength. Speed of course I'll give you that, but strength, no way. This fight totally limits supes mobility and thus is becomes a battle of durability and strength and that my friend means Thanos dominates

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Spite. Thanos 10/10. With a few minutes Sundip, it becomes less spite but is still Thanos 10/10.

Should've made this pre-crisis Superman

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Allan Allan Allan, by no means is Thanos supes inferior when it comes to strength. That is just silly its comical. Thanos is his superior when it comes to strength. Speed of course I'll give you that, but strength, no way. This fight totally limits supes mobility and thus is becomes a battle of durability and strength and that my friend means Thanos dominates

Supes has strength feats that say otherwise. Beating Surfer with charged punches doesn't mean he's stronger than Supes. I don't know why people make assumptions on strength based on a few one time scuffles.

Cpt. Marvel once sucker punched Supes and ko'd him with much fewer punches than it took Thanos to drop Surfer that one time. Are you then going to make the asssumption Marvel is above Thanos or Supes?

These guys are all strong enough that if they land a certain number of unanswered punches they are likely to drop their opponent.

The difference is that if Supes is landing punches on you, he's not going to stop until your out. It won't matter if it takes 5 minutes or 5 days, he'll hit Thanos until he drops.

Nothing in the comics would have prepared Thanos for this kind of a brawl. You see Superman has already survived damn near getting destroyed in a fight and prevailed regardless.

Thanos, though he has been in dire straits and died (Pre Death and Drax), has never been in a fight where he's been made to bleed out of his pores.

Originally posted by Allankles
Supes has strength feats that say otherwise. Beating Surfer with charged punches doesn't mean he's stronger than Supes. I don't know why people make assumptions on strength based on a few one time scuffles.

His fight with Thor with the power gem shows a much higher level then supes has ever shown.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
His fight with Thor with the power gem shows a much higher level then supes has ever shown.

There's a reason I didn't mention this fight. Thor landed some hammer blows and then inexplicably stopped. Allowing Thanos to get his licks in and then retreating after employing the force block gun.

I don't see any reason why Supes would stop punching Thanos, with his planet shattering blows.

Originally posted by Allankles
There's a reason I didn't mention this fight. Thor landed some hammer blows and then inexplicably stopped. Allowing Thanos to get his licks in and then retreating after employing the force block gun.

I don't see any reason why Supes would stop punching Thanos, with his planet shattering blows.

Thor is on par with supes He has casually split a country in half with a blow from mjolnir an amp verison of Thor with the power gem should be well above Supes any day of the week.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Thor is on par with supes He has casually split a country in half with a blow from mjolnir an amp verison of Thor with the power gem should be well above Supes any day of the week.

Thor is on par with Supes because of his energy based powers. By strength alone Supes is his superior. Superman has dynmaic strength that varies based on his will power. There's a reason why DC don't give Supes strength amps, his powers already cover that area.

Originally posted by Allankles
Thor is on par with Supes because of his energy based powers. By strength alone Supes is his superior. Superman has dynmaic strength that varies based on his will power. There's a reason why DC don't give Supes strength amps, his powers already cover that area.

Thor and Supes Strength levels are debatable.

Even if Supes is strouger it is not by much let alone Thor with the power gem plus mjolnir

Originally posted by Allankles
Supes has strength feats that say otherwise. Beating Surfer with charged punches doesn't mean he's stronger than Supes. I don't know why people make assumptions on strength based on a few one time scuffles.

Cpt. Marvel once sucker punched Supes and ko'd him with much fewer punches than it took Thanos to drop Surfer that one time. Are you then going to make the asssumption Marvel is above Thanos or Supes?

These guys are all strong enough that if they land a certain number of unanswered punches they are likely to drop their opponent.

The difference is that if Supes is landing punches on you, he's not going to stop until your out. It won't matter if it takes 5 minutes or 5 days, he'll hit Thanos until he drops.

Nothing in the comics would have prepared Thanos for this kind of a brawl. You see Superman has already survived damn near getting destroyed in a fight and prevailed regardless.

Thanos, though he has been in dire straits and died (Pre Death and Drax), has never been in a fight where he's been made to bleed out of his pores.

That was an epic fail...

Are you really going with the Supes has more strength feats then Thanos and thus he's stronger? That is such a played out statement and never mind how big of a fallacy it is. Let me you this Allan... Doesn't it stand to reason, a hero and DC's flagship character, is going have more lifting feats being that he has to save the earth/universe almost ever issue? Isn't it also true that a hero is going to have much more feats such as these while a Villian like DS, Thanos etc etc won't? You know the answers to these so I find it amusing you use this to gauge their strength.

When Nvr used to be on this site he even agreed DS was stronger then Supes and NOT because he had more listing feats as again he's a villain. However, when DS can casually back hand supes with ease on a few occasions that tells me and others he's stronger then Supes. Supes might be the better, quicker fighter who is also really strong and a peer but IMO DS is a tad stronger.

Now, going off that line of thinking... You would agree that characters such as Hulk, Thor, Surfer, The Thing etc etc are very strong and also have very good lifting feats right? Some even that compare to Supes feats... Yet what do we notice when these super strong heroes with lifting feats face Thanos... He casually dismisses them with back hand slaps or punches them till the brink of Death with ease. When Thanos can laugh as the strength of The Hulk and The thing combined and say I'm strength personified that should tell you something. When the writer of Hulk for years says Thanos is in his own league when it comes to strength speak volumes to that point.
Point is, you don't need lifting feat after lifting feat to prove your strong or stronger then another character. Despero doesn't have those feats yet you would agree his strength is that or equal to Supes right as shown on panel? I bet you even think Supes has better Durability then Thanos right? Please, give me a chuckle again.

Originally posted by Allankles
There's a reason I didn't mention this fight. Thor landed some hammer blows and then inexplicably stopped. Allowing Thanos to get his licks in and then retreating after employing the force block gun.
Thanos landed the first blow. And Thor stopped his flurry because Thanos flew backwards into the wall and out of immediate hammer range.

Don't act like Supes hasn't done the same, plenty of times. Or that his enemies don't do it to him. Off the top of my head, the Zod fight in For Tomorrow is a perfect example. Zod was thrashing Supes completely. Stops to chat, thrashes some more. Stops to gloat. Then gets whipped.

Thanos wouldn't do that, either.

I know. But you're using a fight that only tells us Thanos can take a few hammer blows from an amped Thor. Which is not unreasonable, Thanos does have high end durability.

However it doesn't tell the story of a potential fight with Supes, who in character is going to be relentless, and who is smarter, quicker and more agile and than Thor in h2h.

Assumptions aside (Thanos' strength) Supes should have the edge here.

Originally posted by Allankles
Assumptions aside (Thanos' strength) Supes should have the edge here.

With the 55 ft. chain, and no stips that this is pure H2H...I don't see how.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi

When Nvr used to be on this site he even agreed DS was stronger then Supes and NOT because he had more listing feats as again he's a villain.

Well, Nvr was a DS fanboy so......

I miss those days when Nvr and Quanchi ran riot here. Good times.

Originally posted by Enyalus

Thanos wouldn't do that, either.

Thanos isn't as quick as Zod either. Zod would give Superman unique problems because he's a martial artist and has similar speed. A big slower guy like Thanos is very likely going to look slow and awkward in against Superman. Weaker beings like Gamora have him look slow and awkward.

He isn't saying that Thanos is as fast as Zod. He is saying that Thor pausing for a second against Thanos works both ways, because villains such as the aforementioned Zod have done the same against Superman.

The chain here is against Superman, not in his favour. Thanos would simply do to Superman here what Marv did to Kevin in Sin City.

Right. 55 ft. range with Supes unable to escape...A few omnidirectional blasts at most for the KO.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi


When Nvr used to be on this site he even agreed DS was stronger then Supes and NOT because he had more listing feats as again he's a villain. However, when DS can casually back hand supes with ease on a few occasions that tells me and others he's stronger then Supes. Supes might be the better, quicker fighter who is also really strong and a peer but IMO DS is a tad stronger.



Now you're arguing in favor of DS? That's a first Anyway I've mentioned in the past about Darkseid's man handling of Supes as a gauge of his strength relative to the Man of Steel i.e. he's at least on par in the strength area.

It's not like Supes strength remains stagnant like DS' or Thanos', is it?. His powers are such that the longer he's exposed to any kind of star (outside of a red star), the more powerful he becomes.

So as he's aged over the years he's become stronger. It would be sensible to assume that Supes may have surpassed DS in the strength area.


DS of course still has a catalogue of some nasty powers, not least of all his omega beams which can counter a Superman speed blitz as they've done on panel.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Right. 55 ft. range with Supes unable to escape...A few omnidirectional blasts at most for the KO.

Or a few pimps slaps back and forth like a yo yo will also do the trick.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Right. 55 ft. range with Supes unable to escape...A few omnidirectional blasts at most for the KO.

A few concussive blasts aren't going to do anything to Supes but toss him around.

Originally posted by Allankles
Anyway I've mentioned in the past about Darkseid's man handling of Supes as a gauge of his strength relative to the Man of Steel i.e. he's at least on par in the strength area.

And Thanos has similar gauges of strength, against Thor and other opponents in or around Superman's weight class. And above it.

Originally posted by Allankles
Now you're arguing in favor of DS? That's a first Anyway I've mentioned in the past about Darkseid's man handling of Supes as a gauge of his strength relative to the Man of Steel i.e. he's at least on par in the strength area.

It's not like Supes strength remains stagnant like DS' or Thanos', is it?. His powers are such that the longer he's exposed to any kind of star (outside of a red star), the more powerful he becomes.

So as he's aged over the years he's become stronger. It would be sensible to assume that Supes may have surpassed DS in the strength area.


DS of course still has a catalogue of some nasty powers, not least of all his omega beams which can counter a Superman speed blitz as they've done on panel.

Ummm okay...

So, you avoided the questions...

Does Hulk, Thor, Thing etc etc have lifting feats on par or close with supes?

Does Thanos laughing and mocking Hulks and Things strength at the same time tell us where Thanos is in that department? Clearly, Thanos isn't a hero right and thus won't have the feats yet we know when he casually pimps slaps people with feats he's above them.

Lastly, so now your saying Supes is stronger then DS... I've seen you argue the opposite on a number of occasions?

Originally posted by Allankles
A few concussive blasts aren't going to do anything to Supes but toss him around.
One of his omnidirectional blasts killed a high herald, before Death's upgrade of his powers and various other self enhancements over the past 30 years.

Originally posted by Enyalus
And Thanos has similar gauges of strength, against Thor and other opponents in or around Superman's weight class. And above it.

Who has he tangled with above Supes weight class? I hope you're not going to say DP Tyrant, because Supes has tangled with people of that ilk too.

Originally posted by Enyalus
One of his omnidirectional blasts killed a high herald, before Death's upgrade of his powers and various other self enhancements over the past 30 years.

Which high herald? And could you honestly say they have Supes durability? Or his bio force field?

Originally posted by Ouallada
Well, Nvr was a DS fanboy so......

I miss those days when Nvr and Quanchi ran riot here. Good times.

Nvr was a DS fanboy no doubt but he did have some valid points at times.

Let me ask you this Quall.. Do you think it shows that someone is above another when they can casually pimp slap them away or manhandle them with ease. Even though the person being handled has more lifting feats... imo on panel showings where they are casually swatted away to me shows a clear sign of strength superiority even though they don't have the feats. That is how I view and see Thanos, DS, Doomsday etc etc who don't have the feats but are clearly strong.

Originally posted by Allankles
Who has he tangled with above Supes weight class? I hope you're not going to say DP Tyrant, because Supes has tangled with people of that ilk too.
Afro Magus w/ Soul Gem, DP Tyrant, PG Thor, the Thanos duplicate created by the Cosmic Cubes and powered directly by the Power Gem, PG Champion, etc.

Originally posted by Allankles
Which high herald? And could you honestly say they have Supes durability? Or his bio force field?
Warlock w/ the Soul Gem.

Well, it is of course a good sign of superiority. You're preaching to the choir there.

Thanos has enough power to send Galactus flying back i couldn't even imagine what he would do to supes

Darkseid can swat Superman away because he's inhumanly big. His hand alone can wrap around Superman's waist as he did in OWAW.

Someone that is of similar size to Supes can't swat him away as he flies full force at them, because of range and size. The width and wingspan of Darkseid's arms and hands are like most peoples legs and feet - both limbs close together.

So when DS swats Supes it's similar to most people drop kicking Superman as he flies at them.

True. Darkseid's pimpslap/swatted Supes away in both Cosmic Odyssey and Superman/Batman, during that whole Dark Supergirl arc (I don't remember the literal title.)

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Thanos has enough power to send Galactus flying back i couldn't even imagine what he would do to supes

You can't imagine? You act like he was tossing away a walking continent. The blast wasn't that powerful or are you forgetting Superman has enough force to push planets?

Originally posted by Allankles
or are you forgetting Superman has enough force to push planets?
You can't prove that.

Wut?

I think I made my point. It's been said and proven enough times that he can shatter or move planets. I think he pulled the Earth not so long ago, with an Oan harness. And he's shattered planetoids on panel.

Galactus was no more than 12ft tall in that arc (small for him) and got tossed a few metres across the ground. Many beings could have generated a force by concussive blast or force of speed to do something similar.

To read Dark Odin describe it, you'd need the force of a collapsing star to toss a small sized unsuspecting Galactus across the ground. It was a powerful force blast, but I'd be disappointed if it did anything to Supes.

Originally posted by batdude123
Wut?

damn, it's been too long since last i read your pearls of wisdom . . .

heh

Originally posted by Allankles
You can't imagine? You act like he was tossing away a walking continent. The blast wasn't that powerful or are you forgetting Superman has enough force to push planets?

Push a planet lol please show me a scan of that or are you talking about pulling a planet with the aid of a green latern and others???

Just to let you know Galactus is a little stronger then someone pushing a planet hell Thor and Hulk have feats that put them up there. like pulling a planet, lifting the midguard serpent withstand the weight of planet etc...

You right on one thing calling me out on not being able to imagine what would happen to supes. He would be must end up a burnt corpse.

Oops almost forgot to add That pulling a planet doesn't count as a strength feat as Superman has stated himself that his abillity to fly doesn't use his strength

Originally posted by leonidas
damn, it's been too long since last i read your pearls of wisdom . . .

heh

uhuh

Originally posted by DarkOdin


You right on one thing calling me out on not being able to imagine what would happen to supes he would be must likely be a smoking corpse.

I fail to see how that concussive blast would anything more than toss superman a mile away. And Galactus strength doesn't factor into his weight.

He's not even as heavy as a continent, Superman has toss, pulled, pushed against much greater weight than Galactus in that arc.

Originally posted by Allankles
I fail to see how that concussive blast would anything more than toss superman a mile away. And Galactus strength doesn't factor into his weight.

He's not even as heavy as a continent, Superman has toss, pulled, pushed against much greater weight than Galactus in that arc. if were debating who is stronger hanos has over powered thor who has supported the wait of several planets

Originally posted by Allankles
Galactus was no more than 12ft tall in that arc (small for him) and got tossed a few metres across the ground. Many beings could have generated a force by concussive blast or force of speed to do something similar.
Many could generate a force that blasts Galactus through the walls of his spaceship and bounce him several times across the surface of a nearby moon. That's what you meant to say, right?

Originally posted by Allankles
I fail to see how that concussive blast would anything more than toss superman a mile away. And Galactus strength doesn't factor into his weight.

He's not even as heavy as a continent, Superman has toss, pulled, pushed against much greater weight than Galactus in that arc.

So are you saying that Superman is stronger then Galactus

Originally posted by Allankles
Darkseid can swat Superman away because he's inhumanly big. His hand alone can wrap around Superman's waist as he did in OWAW.

Someone that is of similar size to Supes can't swat him away as he flies full force at them, because of range and size. The width and wingspan of Darkseid's arms and hands are like most peoples legs and feet - both limbs close together.

So when DS swats Supes it's similar to most people drop kicking Superman as he flies at them.

So, your saying Thanos is the same size as Supes then?

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Push a planet lol please show me a scan of that or are you talking about pulling a planet with the aid of a green latern and others???


Eh, that's speculative imo. It could just as easily be argued that all Hal did was simply create a harness as a means for Superman to move the planet.

Regardless, not only was he pulling the planet itself, but he was pulling it against Starbreaker's own force. So, meh...

Originally posted by batdude123
Eh, that's speculative imo. It could just as easily be argued that all Hal did was simply create a harness as a means for Superman to move the planet.

Regardless, not only was he pulling the planet itself, but he was pulling it against Starbreaker's own force. So, meh...

Yet by supes own admission him flying also helps pulling the weight of an object and is not only his strength doing so.

Originally posted by batdude123
Regardless, not only was he pulling the planet itself, but he was pulling it against Starbreaker's own force. So, meh...
I thought that Starbreaker had knocked it from orbit, and Supes was pulling it back into orbit.

Starbreaker was actively resisting that? He looked kinda stunned when his plan was foiled.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Yet my supes own admission him flying also helps pulling the weight of an object and is not only his strength doing so.

Cool. I really couldn't care less. I was just clearing some shit up.

Originally posted by Enyalus
I thought that Starbreaker had knocked it from orbit, and Supes was pulling it back into orbit.

Starbreaker was actively resisting that? He looked kinda stunned when his plan was foiled.

As far as I recall, he was pulling against it. Though, I could be mistaken. srug

facepalm

I can't even believe whats been said in this thread.

Originally posted by Allankles
Thor is on par with Supes because of his energy based powers. By strength alone Supes is his superior. Superman has dynmaic strength that varies based on his will power. There's a reason why DC don't give Supes strength amps, his powers already cover that area.

sly

Superman is stronger than Thor? Based on what? Thor has strength feats comparable to Superman's and even superior ones in some category. Sure, the "S" shield rides the plot induced stupidity wave, when needed, but that's about it.

Originally posted by batdude123
As far as I recall, he was pulling against it. Though, I could be mistaken. srug
Meh, I might dig through shit when I get home. Prolly not. lol

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Sure, the "S" shield rides the plot induced stupidity wave, when needed, but that's about it.

And Thor never does?

Originally posted by Enyalus
Meh, I might dig through shit when I get home. Prolly not. lol

Always the right way to do things... not at all. haw-som

Originally posted by batdude123
And Thor never does?
Of course not.

Thor rides his beautiful blond locks.

Originally posted by Enyalus
Meh, I might dig through shit when I get home. Prolly not. lol

EWWWWWW....

shit

Please dont tell us if you find some corn.

Originally posted by batdude123
Always the right way to do things... not at all. haw-som
(h5)

Originally posted by Enyalus
Many could generate a force that blasts Galactus through the walls of his spaceship and bounce him several times across the surface of a nearby moon. That's what you meant to say, right?

I said by concussive force or force of speed, many could do that yes. Galactus is a corporeal being, subject to the laws of physics, so yes.

Especially when he's unprepared and not bracing himself for the impact, and is considerably smaller than usual.

Originally posted by batdude123
And Thor never does?



On the level of the "S" shield? No. Hell, even Superboy, is riding front row on it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


Superman is stronger than Thor? Based on what? Thor has strength feats comparable to Superman's and even superior ones in some category. Sure, the "S" shield rides the plot induced stupidity wave, when needed, but that's about it.

Such as? Midgard Serpent, am I right?

Originally posted by Allankles
I said by concussive force or force of speed, many could do that yes.
I'd like to take this opportunity to formally disagree.

I don't think many could even breach the walls of his ship with pure force.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


On the level of the "S" shield? No. Hell, even Superboy, is riding front row on it.

At some point, you just acknowledge that Superman is just that damn strong. This "S" shield talk can only get so far, before you start using circular logic to derive patterns and character levels.

We know the writers don't operate on a KMC character tier list.

Originally posted by Allankles
Such as? Midgard Serpent, am I right?

Or his ability to lift the weight of half the planet, hit with planet shattering force (Even Thor lite, Beta Ray Bill has shattered a planet with the simple force of his blow.), withstand the weight of a score of planets, move the World Engine and work against the power of the Yggdrasil itself and so on.

Originally posted by Enyalus
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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus


On the level of the "S" shield? No. Hell, even Superboy, is riding front row on it.

This statement stinks of bias.

Originally posted by Allankles
At some point, you just acknowledge that Superman is just that damn strong. This "S" shield talk can only get so far, before you start using circular logic to derive patterns and character levels.

We know the writers don't operate on a KMC character tier list.

Your telling me, you haven't witnessed the "S" shield, ability to ride the plot induced stupidity?

I mean seriously, Superboy is able to do more damage to Prime, than Sodam Yat with all that power, 2 incarnations of Mon-El, 3 incarnations of Ultra Boy, and tons of other powerful legion members with his freaking heat vision alone.......

Originally posted by batdude123
This statement stinks of bias.

You just plain stink.

No just a statement based on simple observation.

One thing I will say... In a comic book setting.. Supes strength is as good as it needs to be to save the universe

Originally posted by Enyalus
Starbreaker was actively resisting that?

Yes.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
So, your saying Thanos is the same size as Supes then?

Wat? I was arguing your point about DS swatting Supes. DS is for all intense and purposes over a foot taller than Supes and has a huge build, it makes swatting Superman physically easier for him.

Thanos is only a few inches taller than Superman - maybe 4 inches taller. I doubt he could swat Superman away while Supes was flying at him.

Thanos has pimp slapped some people but he doesn't swat them away as they try to blitz him in flight, he doesn't have the wing span to do this to Supes before getting hit, which is neither here not there as far as my arguments over this fight are concerned.

^ huh?

Leverage. Being taller and longer gives him better leverage. Orion doesn't swat Superman away, he doesn't have the reach and by extension the leverage to do it as casually as DS has done.

It's not impossible but he can't do it as casually. If you had 2 sledge hammers of the same size (length mostly).

And you reduce the handle of one sledge hammer by a third of it original height. The longer sledge hammer would be better to use if you were swatting away flying dining chairs (as an example).

More leverage, the necessary force is spread with less effort and motion.

i'm aware of the phenomena, it's just that leverage kinda gets tossed out the window when you can shatter a mountain with a jab. :/

maybe if it was batman shackled to DD, but not these two.

Originally posted by Allankles
Leverage. Being taller and longer gives him better leverage. Orion doesn't swat Superman away, he doesn't have the reach and by extension the leverage to do it as casually as DS has done.

It's not impossible but he can't do it as casually. If you had 2 sledge hammers of the same size (length mostly).

And you reduce the handle of one sledge hammer by a third of it original height. The longer sledge hammer would be better to use if you were swatting away flying dining chairs (as an example).

More leverage, the necessary force is spread with less effort and motion.

I'm curious... what are the exact dimenions of DS compared to Thanos?

Originally posted by Allankles
Despero? I don't see him as more than a peer. What makes you think his average is better than Supes?


Despero has raped supes captian marvel and wondy all at the same time.

thanos>despero>supes unamped

Originally posted by Allankles
Supes has strength feats that say otherwise. Beating Surfer with charged punches doesn't mean he's stronger than Supes. I don't know why people make assumptions on strength based on a few one time scuffles.

Cpt. Marvel once sucker punched Supes and ko'd him with much fewer punches than it took Thanos to drop Surfer that one time. Are you then going to make the asssumption Marvel is above Thanos or Supes?

These guys are all strong enough that if they land a certain number of unanswered punches they are likely to drop their opponent.

The difference is that if Supes is landing punches on you, he's not going to stop until your out. It won't matter if it takes 5 minutes or 5 days, he'll hit Thanos until he drops.

Nothing in the comics would have prepared Thanos for this kind of a brawl. You see Superman has already survived damn near getting destroyed in a fight and prevailed regardless.

Thanos, though he has been in dire straits and died (Pre Death and Drax), has never been in a fight where he's been made to bleed out of his pores.


thanos has handled Wm thor which is FAR stronger then superman, supes would need a VEry long sundip to even match that kinda power. Strength feats are not enough to save supermans bacon. A sunampped supes fairs better but thanos is just outta supes leauge her i think.

Originally posted by Allankles
Thor is on par with Supes because of his energy based powers. By strength alone Supes is his superior. Superman has dynmaic strength that varies based on his will power. There's a reason why DC don't give Supes strength amps, his powers already cover that area.

I agree with this but i still think thanos rapes supes =)

Originally posted by zeel
thanos has handled Wm thor which is FAR stronger then superman, supes would need a VEry long sundip to even match that kinda power. Strength feats are not enough to save supermans bacon. A sunampped supes fairs better but thanos is just outta supes leauge her i think.
Superman wouldn't need a long sundip. He'd just need a regular old sundip.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm curious... what are the exact dimenions of DS compared to Thanos?

I think DS is like 7'7 or something. Thanos is like 6'7. Superman is 6'4/3.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That was an epic fail...

Are you really going with the Supes has more strength feats then Thanos and thus he's stronger? That is such a played out statement and never mind how big of a fallacy it is. Let me you this Allan... Doesn't it stand to reason, a hero and DC's flagship character, is going have more lifting feats being that he has to save the earth/universe almost ever issue? Isn't it also true that a hero is going to have much more feats such as these while a Villian like DS, Thanos etc etc won't? You know the answers to these so I find it amusing you use this to gauge their strength.

When Nvr used to be on this site he even agreed DS was stronger then Supes and NOT because he had more listing feats as again he's a villain. However, when DS can casually back hand supes with ease on a few occasions that tells me and others he's stronger then Supes. Supes might be the better, quicker fighter who is also really strong and a peer but IMO DS is a tad stronger.

Now, going off that line of thinking... You would agree that characters such as Hulk, Thor, Surfer, The Thing etc etc are very strong and also have very good lifting feats right? Some even that compare to Supes feats... Yet what do we notice when these super strong heroes with lifting feats face Thanos... He casually dismisses them with back hand slaps or punches them till the brink of Death with ease. When Thanos can laugh as the strength of The Hulk and The thing combined and say I'm strength personified that should tell you something. When the writer of Hulk for years says Thanos is in his own league when it comes to strength speak volumes to that point.
Point is, you don't need lifting feat after lifting feat to prove your strong or stronger then another character. Despero doesn't have those feats yet you would agree his strength is that or equal to Supes right as shown on panel? I bet you even think Supes has better Durability then Thanos right? Please, give me a chuckle again.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman wouldn't need a long sundip. He'd just need a regular old sundip.


You could be right on this one but i really think supes will need more then brute strength for this fight.

Originally posted by Allankles
I think DS is like 7'7 or something. Thanos is like 6'7. Superman is 6'4/3.

yes but superman weighs what 225 are the numbers I've seen and thanos weighs 985. That is a huge huge difference.

just for fact checking, thanos' dimensions on his bio's to this day are still the same ones from the first handbook. pre-death upgrade for the majority of it, more accurately, his power sections are rarely up to date.

Does anybody have the exact dimensions of supes, ds and thanos?

Originally posted by Allankles
I think I made my point. It's been said and proven enough times that he can shatter or move planets. I think he pulled the Earth not so long ago, with an Oan harness. And he's shattered planetoids on panel.

Galactus was no more than 12ft tall in that arc (small for him) and got tossed a few metres across the ground. Many beings could have generated a force by concussive blast or force of speed to do something similar.

To read Dark Odin describe it, you'd need the force of a collapsing star to toss a small sized unsuspecting Galactus across the ground. It was a powerful force blast, but I'd be disappointed if it did anything to Supes.

Thank you, someone can finally provide proof of this. Show me scans of supes moving a planet or destroying one with physical strength. This will help me and raoul arguments.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
facepalm

I can't even believe whats been said in this thread.



sly

Superman is stronger than Thor? Based on what? Thor has strength feats comparable to Superman's and even superior ones in some category. Sure, the "S" shield rides the plot induced stupidity wave, when needed, but that's about it.

Rage, I love you (no homo).

This statement is so true that its ridiculous. Theres no reason to say Supes is above thor physically when Thor lifting, moving, and tugging feats are>> supes.

Its nothing but speculation on KMC. I agree though, I give supes the speed edge against thor but strength and durability (especially durability), goes to thor in my opinion unless someone can show me supes one shotting a planet like beta ray bill has done twice in one comic.

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Originally posted by zeel
Despero has raped supes captian marvel and wondy all at the same time.

thanos>despero>supes unamped

baka

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1015/racerxsb33p20yt3.jpg

If Superman had Cytorrak's gem for this fight..how would that affect the outcome?

Not one bit, because Thanos is GAWD!!!

Originally posted by batdude123
baka

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1015/racerxsb33p20yt3.jpg

Looked like Despero was physically stronger than supes in that scan.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not one bit, because Thanos is GAWD!!!



well, I be damned then!!!

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
If Superman had Cytorrak's gem for this fight..how would that affect the outcome?

Thanos would get his ass whipped.

I made a thread with Supes with the gem vs Thanos, people still voted for thanos though (didnt understand that).

Originally posted by carver9
Looked like Despero was physically stronger than supes in that scan.



Ok?

But which of them was left a charred mess after the fight ended? Psssst: I'll give you a hint. It wasn't Superman.

7 pages of debate against one person who refuses to see Superman lose. Really, this one is abc logic. Thanos destroys people on Supermans level on a regular basis so why are we still arguing this outcome.

Its spite

Superman has dynamic strength that varies based on his will power. There's a reason why DC don't give Supes strength amps, his powers already cover that area.

I am sorry but is this really true? I ask because I have never heard of this.

Originally posted by batdude123
Ok?

But which of them was left a charred mess after the fight ended? Psssst: I'll give you a hint. It wasn't Superman.

That still doesnt mean that he's physically>despero when despero had the clear advantage strength wise.

I never argued against the heat vision part.

Originally posted by carver9
That still doesnt mean that he's physically>despero when despero had the clear advantage strength wise.

Uhhh... what I didn't show was that a page prior to that, Despero cheap-shotted Superman in the middle of a speech, which then lead to that choke.

But regardless, I didn't bring up a strength discrepancy between Despero and Superman, that was all you, buddy.

Leave it to you to warp a victory in Superman's favor into some kind of faux defeat.

Originally posted by batdude123
Uhhh... what I didn't show was that a page prior to that, Despero cheap-shotted Superman in the middle of a speech, which then lead to that choke.

But regardless, I didn't bring up a strength discrepancy between Despero and Superman, that was all you, buddy.

Leave it to you to warp a victory in Superman's favor into some kind of faux defeat.

I'm not warping anything, I agree with you, supes did defeat Despero (I always thought of supes as>despero anyway) but I thought you was putting that scan up to prove that Supes was stronger, thats all.

K.

lol Superman gets a FIERCE raping here,



next thread...

HALLELUJAH!!! After 7 pages of discussion on the matter, all we needed was a post from horrorwolf to decide the outcome!

Thank you for your wisdom. Seriously.

Originally posted by bats2jm
I am sorry but is this really true? I ask because I have never heard of this.

It's been mentioned on a few occasions. Aside from the solar absorption with sufficient will power they can unlock greater reserves of energy.

Originally posted by batdude123
Not one bit, because Thanos is GAWD!!!

It's strange to find so many Thanos fanboys in one place. Before KMC I would never have definitively said that there were Thanos fans in the world.

Forget fanboyism. I can't believe leverage is used as some kind of argument here. Straws and grasping.

I don't remember anyone using leverage as an argument. That was an semi-off topic discussion involving swatting people in flight.

The part that was on topic was a Thanos supporting argument, I was against using DS as an example by proxy.

I'm glad that no one did, because saying that a taller person has a leverage advantage in a fight is, for the most parts, wrong.

Allan.... to be clear...

1. You feel Superman is Thanos Superior in strength, durability and striking power correct? In all these catagories you feel Supes takes it?

thanos wins easily

Superman is not superior or even equal to Thanos in anything except having a cool cape.

Thanos stomps in a very nasty way, like when that guy's new girlfriend gets knifed around the end of the Friday The 13th remake. Imagine that, but with Superman and Thanos... and Thanos is, you know... doing the knifing.

Doesn't change the fact that Superman can get out of the chains and get sundip and then kick Thanos' ass. As for the fight itself, Thanos is stronger, & more durable then Superman. Speed however, does to Superman.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Allan.... to be clear...

1. You feel Superman is Thanos Superior in strength, durability and striking power correct? In all these catagories you feel Supes takes it?

I don't know about durability, which is rendered irrelevant if you're absorbing more punishment than you can cope with.

But yes, in terms of striking power (speed is power) and strength - dynamic, governed in large part by will power - I believe Supes is superior.

Originally posted by batdude123
baka

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/1015/racerxsb33p20yt3.jpg


nice picture it still dosent change the fact despero has beat the shit outta supes captian marvel and wondy at the same time.

Despero's durability has always been rather shitty and unimpressive.