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I used to think that powers that harmed your enemy were always considered part of the Dark Side. But Kyle Katarn said himself that no power is inherently good or evil, it just depends on your use.

Plus Mace Windu and Kyle both used powers that were usually associated to the Dark Side. The way I see it, Force Lightning and Force Grip are awesome powers that a Jedi can use to serve the Light. Force Crush and Force Kill - I would do anything I can to keep from using them.

So, what do you guys think. Are Force Lightning, Force Grip, and Force Rage necessarily evil, or do they only count as bad when you use them for evil?

Bonus: What is your favorite force combo?
Mine: Force Grip a Sith, use Force Lightning on him/her while he/she is still in your Force Grip, throw them up, jump up to his/her position, and Force Repulse the Sith close-up.

Originally posted by Anakin4Ever
I used to think that powers that harmed your enemy were always considered part of the Dark Side. But Kyle Katarn said himself that no power is inherently good or evil, it just depends on your use.

Plus Mace Windu and Kyle both used powers that were usually associated to the Dark Side. The way I see it, Force Lightning and Force Grip are awesome powers that a Jedi can use to serve the Light. Force Crush and Force Kill - I would do anything I can to keep from using them.

So, what do you guys think. Are Force Lightning, Force Grip, and Force Rage necessarily evil, or do they only count as bad when you use them for evil?

Bonus: What is your favorite force combo?
Mine: Force Grip a Sith, use Force Lightning on him/her while he/she is still in your Force Grip, throw them up, jump up to his/her position, and Force Repulse the Sith close-up. Potentium.

To flesh out gameplay but still keep protagonists as good guys, developers and writers helped to establish the "neutral" side to the Force, or as its users are sometimes erroneously referred to as, "Grey Jedi." Here, being in the middle ground gave one the ability use both Dark and Light (Evil and Good) powers.

Personally, I've come to like that view. The whole moral absolutism, even in Sci-Fi (and especially in Star Wars, considering the vast amount of content present in it), is bland and predictable.

Those powers are may considered harmful due to their intent but remember Plo Koon found Elctric Judgment and he had not felt anger or hatred while using it and it had the strength of a blast i'd say of Dooku's. Whereas a variation Luke used referred to as Emerald lightning, instantly killed one of Shimrra's slayers.(sp?)

I wouldn't consider 'Force grip' to be a Dark Side power at all since technically It's only telekinesis it just depends what you do with it.

Force Rage, No I do not beleive that this power is inherently evil since people have used it without falling to the Dark Side, Jaden, Kyle and Kenobi in TPM. Though people like Anakin used this power passively and it helped his attack style (Djem So) the reason he didn't fall to the DS was because of his dread, i'll post the quote.

He lifted his blade, and beckoned.

Skywalker leapt from the balcony. Even as the boy hurtled downward, Dooku felt a new twist in the currents of the Force between them, and he finally understood.

He understood how Skywalker was getting stronger. Why he no longer spoke. How he had become a machine of battle. He understood why Sidious had been so interested in him for so long.

Skywalker was a natural.

There was a thermonuclear furnace where his heart should be, and it was burning through the firewalls of his Jedi training. He held the Force in the clench of a white-hot fist. He was half Sith already, and he didn't even know it.

This boy had the gift of fury.

And even now, he was holding himself back; even now, as he landed at Dooku's flank and rained blows upon the Sith Lord's defenses, even as he drove Dooku backward step after step, Dooku could feel how Skywalker kept his fury banked behind walls of will: walls that were hardened by some uncontrollable dread.

Dread, Dooku surmised, of himself. Of what might happen if he should ever allow that furnace he used for a heart to go supercritical.

Dooku slipped aside from an overhand chop and sprang backward. "I sense great fear in you. You are consumed by it. Hero With No Fear, indeed. You're a fraud, Skywalker. You are nothing but a posturing child."

He pointed his lightsaber at the young Jedi like an accusing finger. "Aren't you a little old to be afraid of the dark?"

Skywalker leapt for him again, and this time Dooku met the boy's charge easily. They stood nearly toe-to-toe, blades flashing faster than the eye could see, but Skywalker had lost his edge: a simple taunt was all that had been required to shift the focus of his attention from winning the fight to controlling his own emotions. The angrier he got, the more afraid he became, and the fear fed his anger in turn; like the proverbial Corellian multipede, now that he had started thinking about what he was doing, he could no longer walk.

I don't necessarily like a combination of Force Powers, I'll just stick with good ol' TK.

Edit- Longest post ever.

What they said

best force combo EVER this isn't up for debate is either force freeze your blood

or force turn you into a slug and poor salt on you

or force make you drink from the false holy grail in indiana jones and the last crusade.

Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
What they said

Quite.
Originally posted by xxxpoppunker182
or force make you drink from the false holy grail in indiana jones and the last crusade.
Wahey!

Meanwhile, Potentium shits all over the rest of Star Wars.

Meh, everything else does too, Potentium's just trying to be popular.

Basically. Irks me more than most things, makes the threat of the Dark Side really damn cheap for our heroes. As does the Revolving Door Policy. At least they didn't drag Jacen back from evilness...

Originally posted by REXXXX
Basically. Irks me more than most things, makes the threat of the Dark Side really damn cheap for our heroes. As does the Revolving Door Policy. At least they didn't drag Jacen back from evilness... No he did that himself in the last few seconds of his life.

I think that the Potentium actually has some sense to it, as defined by Katarn, and the fact that Qui-Gon was a grey jedi in secret or something. Source is in Ep 1 and the definition of the Greys,


"Master, if you would just listen to the Council more often, you would be on it."-Obi-Wan to Qui-Gon.
The definition of the Greys is those that dont think the Council is always right, so they actually think for themselves. They are free thinkers. Not blind servants. The followers of the Potentium seem to be alot like that in my opinion.

The Potentium makes sense in a realistic manner. It abolishes an absolute morality, which is a great reflection of reality. But I can certainly relate to fans of the franchise who feel it cheapens the Dark Side's threat, as Rex said.

It does make them seem less threatening wwithout morals, but it still makes sense. If the Old Jedi Order had followed the Potentium, I wonder what would have happened when Order 66 came around.

Originally posted by Incanus
It does make them seem less threatening wwithout morals, but it still makes sense. If the Old Jedi Order had followed the Potentium, I wonder what would have happened when Order 66 came around.
It;s actually stated and I can't remember where, if the Order had followed Jinn's view in believing in the Living Force they would have found out about the Sith threat earlier.

i don't want to show my ignorance, but i do want to ask, what's the Potentium? Is it something from Legacy?

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Potentium

thanks red! very helpful!

Originally posted by truejedi
thanks red! very helpful! Gaaaah! Second post---look, now.

well, very nicely done too Lucien, i humbly apoligize for missing your link.

Apology accepted. Now... kneel before Zod Me.

no, i'm ruler of the western hemisphere in case you hadn't heard.

Originally posted by truejedi
no, i'm ruler of the western hemisphere in case you hadn't heard. With me and Lucien protecting Canada, this is one place you shall not take.

i don't really need to take it when i already have it. Just... um.. Carry on up there!!

(Bam!! order you can't help but follow!!!)

Originally posted by truejedi
i don't really need to take it when i already have it. Just... um.. Carry on up there!!

(Bam!! order you can't help but follow!!!)
*Forces all industry to stop and covers the entire continent in Ice.*
As truejedi walks along a dusty path towards the border with Canada he notices a note on the floor. He picks the note up and brushes a layer of dust of which is obscuring something beneath. As the dust is removed all thats written on the paper is three words and four symbols 'Your turn now...punk."

*truejedi gets on the government tv station to lead the rest of the hemisphere in a good ol' "Canada screwed themselves over" laugh. *

Originally posted by truejedi
*truejedi gets on the government tv station to lead the rest of the hemisphere in a good ol' "Canada screwed themselves over" laugh. *
*squints* I'm not your buddy...guy!

Don't call him guy, buddy!


Edit: Matt, you're at least three tiers below TJ. (I've invented some tiers so this line will be true.) And TG has no place in my gov't. He is a potential threat and will be eliminated.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Don't call him guy, buddy!


Edit: Matt, you're at least three tiers below TJ. (I've invented some tiers so this line will be true.) And TG has no place in my gov't. He is a potential threat and will be eliminated. Threat? Me?

...


Noo.

You are the only one that can end the reign of GNz! Also: You grasped the sarcasm/irony thing and we can't have that now can we? The masses must revere my sacrifice!!!

Also: I will spare your life if you prove MC is still alive.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Don't call him guy, buddy!


Edit: Matt, you're at least three tiers below TJ. (I've invented some tiers so this line will be true.) And TG has no place in my gov't. He is a potential threat and will be eliminated. So what am I Red? I am after all two days your senior here.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
You are the only one that can end the reign of GNz! Also: You grasped the sarcasm/irony thing and we can't have that now can we? The masses must revere my sacrifice!!!

Also: I will spare your life if you prove MC is still alive. I will divulge MC's condition when you reveal what GNz stands for. *whispers*If it means Good Night zippy, then I'ma harm you.

Does it mean Good Night zippy?

That all depends on how living MC is.

He's *cough/hack* dead. Took a l'il tumble off the cliff.

You lie!

No, I believe him. Always thought the Canadian was a little bit sadistic.

Actually, I'm a little bit country. And you're a little bit rock 'n roll.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Actually, I'm a little bit country. And you're a little bit rock 'n roll. Welcome back Lucien dogged down were you? Get any sleep did you?

No, actually. And I still get to look forward to 18 hours of work, travel, and listening. Feck.

Unlucky, where were you then?

Originally posted by mattatom
It;s actually stated and I can't remember where, if the Order had followed Jinn's view in believing in the Living Force they would have found out about the Sith threat earlier.

Wookiepedia

"A philosophical warrior, Qui-Gon believed heavily in what he referred to as the "Living Force," a method of focusing on the moment rather than contemplating the Force in all its degrees. For this reason, Qui-Gon could be considered one of the more 'down-to-earth' Jedi of his time, due to his concentration on the matter at hand. It has been suggested that an ability such as this would have been conducive to stopping Palpatine's rise to power; as the Jedi focused on the Separatist threat to the future of the Galactic Republic, they failed to examine the moment more closely."

Originally posted by Anakin4Ever
Wookiepedia

"A philosophical warrior, Qui-Gon believed heavily in what he referred to as the "Living Force," a method of focusing on the moment rather than contemplating the Force in all its degrees. For this reason, Qui-Gon could be considered one of the more 'down-to-earth' Jedi of his time, due to his concentration on the matter at hand. It has been suggested that an ability such as this would have been conducive to stopping Palpatine's rise to power; as the Jedi focused on the Separatist threat to the future of the Galactic Republic, they failed to examine the moment more closely." So I was right then.