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2 fights

fight one: current comic book versions

fight two: Emma from wolverine and the X-men and grodd from justice League

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i think grodd would win with prep, but in a pure psychic battle, emma takes it.

Emma.

Emma Frost

the ape gets owned

Emma destroys him

IN a psyic battle Emma would pis herself when Grodd starts to Mentaly eat her.

Originally posted by jasofisc
IN a psyic battle Emma would pis herself when Grodd starts to Mentaly eat her.

Care to say how?

Grodd is a very up and down character. What are Emma's top end feat.

I'm going with Grodd for now.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Care to say how?

just how his TP works like when he uses it on Flash. It's really brutal. but for refernce that grodd's tp is better, would be in salvation run he made tons of other villians who have tp resistance stop fighting.

Originally posted by jasofisc
just how his TP works like when he uses it on Flash. It's really brutal. but for refernce that grodd's tp is better, would be in salvation run he made tons of other villians who have tp resistance stop fighting.

Emma did the same to Woverine and Beast who both have stong mental resistance thanks to barriers put in their head by Xavier

Originally posted by Peterlane
Emma did the same to Woverine and Beast who both have stong mental resistance thanks to barriers put in their head by Xavier
soooooooooo multiply that times ten and that's what grodd did

But she did it fairly easily while sipping coffee. Doesn't Grodd amp his powers

Originally posted by Peterlane
But she did it fairly easily while sipping coffee. Doesn't Grodd amp his powers

not in salvation run

Originally posted by jasofisc
not in salvation run

Proof please

Originally posted by Peterlane
Proof please

um in salvation run he didn't have any equipment with him. didn't you read it. if not that's too bad it was awsome

Originally posted by jasofisc
just how his TP works like when he uses it on Flash. It's really brutal. but for refernce that grodd's tp is better, would be in salvation run he made tons of other villians who have tp resistance stop fighting.

Emma has a larger, more versatile, and more powerful array of feats.

She has stomped Rachel Summers on the astral plane.

She incapacitates crowds on a regular basis.

She has entered Rogues head and managed to locate and isolate her mind from 8 billion screaming war victims memories.

She has enough power and finess to block Prof. X's powers after his upgrade.

She's stalemated Exodus.

She's KO'd Sinister from the X-Mansion while he was in Antarctica via astral projection.

There isn't a psi shield she hasn't bypassed.

She is capable of broadcasting thoughts across the globe without cerebra.

etc. etc.

False, false, false.
She tried to do that, but did not succeed.

Flase, false, false.
She was only protecting X-Men strike force from TP attacks.

False again.

Originally posted by Konton

There isn't a psi shield she hasn't bypassed.

She didn't bypass Doom's

Grodd is underrated, he controlled Swamp Thing once

Originally posted by Survivor19
False, false, false.
She tried to do that, but did not succeed.

Flase, false, false.
She was only protecting X-Men strike force from TP attacks.

False again.

Care to have battlezone, darling?
Cause at least one of your points=false (Exodus wasn't able to TK Nightcrawler's ass awat and was disoriented).

Though it would be hard battle... win for Ems is possible only through surprise, improvisation and unknown tactics; and only like 6\10 (Martian Manhunter only won against Grodd using unorthodoxal tactics, and he is>Emma). Luckily Ems is professional when it comes to improvisation.

Originally posted by Konton
Emma has a larger, more versatile, and more powerful array of feats.

She has stomped Rachel Summers on the astral plane.

She incapacitates crowds on a regular basis.

She has entered Rogues head and managed to locate and isolate her mind from 8 billion screaming war victims memories.

She has enough power and finess to block Prof. X's powers after his upgrade.

She's stalemated Exodus.

She's KO'd Sinister from the X-Mansion while he was in Antarctica via astral projection.

There isn't a psi shield she hasn't bypassed.

She is capable of broadcasting thoughts across the globe without cerebra.

etc. etc.

good word for the Rachel Summers fight is stoped. She just beat Rachel in an argument when rachel had the upper hand and that is all. Nice way to try to take the incident out of context.

In regards to the prof x think i really hope your not refering to the legacy incident where she had used the time where prof and cyclopse were talking to esstablish mental blocks and other things which would ammount to prep.

biggggg differnce between crowds of protesters and crowds of meta humans.

Originally posted by occultdestroyer
She didn't bypass Doom's

Well to be honest, Doom told her to stop before he royally fajucked her up. She didn't go all out to read him during that time.

Originally posted by jasofisc
good word for the Rachel Summers fight is stoped. She just beat Rachel in an argument when rachel had the upper hand and that is all. Nice way to try to take the incident out of context.

In regards to the prof x think i really hope your not refering to the legacy incident where she had used the time where prof and cyclopse were talking to esstablish mental blocks and other things which would ammount to prep.

biggggg differnce between crowds of protesters and crowds of meta humans.

I don't get why people assume that all meta humans have more protection against telepathy than regular humans when they've never displayed any resistance themselves. I'm not talking about Grodd, btw. Like in a previous Cap vs Elektra debate I had. The argument was, "Well Elektra's TP has never been used on a guy like Cap's caliber." wtf. What puts his mental defense higher than the average person?

And I was referring to this Xavier moment. It's nothing flashy.

http://img264.imageshack.us/img264/6526/422113ry1.th.jpg

Originally posted by Survivor19
False, false, false.
She tried to do that, but did not succeed.

Not entirely true she discovered that Rogue's consciousness was still intact and it was back against a corner as well as breaking down.
Also Emma at least had a solution, building psychic walls, Sinister with all his tech on the other hand did not.



She blocked Lady M, Exodus and Sinister from using TP against the X-Men while sitting on the sofa halfway across the world and similtaneously giving a perverted Pilot in a O.N.E. Sentinel (Which are Psi-Shielded) a nosebleed and headache for attempting to peek at the Girls dorms.

She also blocked Exodus and Sinister from using their other powers as well. That's how Nightcrawler BFR'd him and why Sinister was kneeling on the floor and allowed Angel to mock him. Once Pixie screamed Emma diverted her attention to the New X-Men and Sinister got his powers back. Mike Carey also confirmed this in his X-Position Interviews when a fan asked how the hell Nightcrawler BFR'd Exodus. The interviews are in the Emma Frost Respect Thread.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Not entirely true she discovered that Rogue's consciousness was still intact and it was back against a corner as well as breaking down.
Also Emma at least had a solution, building psychic walls, Sinister with all his tech on the other hand did not.



She blocked Lady M, Exodus and Sinister from using TP against the X-Men while sitting on the sofa halfway across the world and similtaneously giving a perverted Pilot in a O.N.E. Sentinel (Which are Psi-Shielded) a nosebleed and headache for attempting to peek at the Girls dorms.

She also blocked Exodus and Sinister from using their other powers as well. That's how Nightcrawler BFR'd him and why Sinister was kneeling on the floor and allowed Angel to mock him. Once Pixie screamed Emma diverted her attention to the New X-Men and Sinister got his powers back. Mike Carey also confirmed this in his X-Position Interviews when a fan asked how the hell Nightcrawler BFR'd Exodus. The interviews are in the Emma Frost Respect Thread.

And the heavy artillery arrives...thank you, darling.

BTW, working on sorting out the RT. If my university studies don't interfere, the update would be in September.

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Originally posted by ExodusCloak
She blocked Lady M, Exodus and Sinister from using TP against the X-Men while sitting on the sofa halfway across the world and similtaneously giving a perverted Pilot in a O.N.E. Sentinel (Which are Psi-Shielded) a nosebleed and headache for attempting to peek at the Girls dorms.

She also blocked Exodus and Sinister from using their other powers as well. That's how Nightcrawler BFR'd him and why Sinister was kneeling on the floor and allowed Angel to mock him. Once Pixie screamed Emma diverted her attention to the New X-Men and Sinister got his powers back. Mike Carey also confirmed this in his X-Position Interviews when a fan asked how the hell Nightcrawler BFR'd Exodus. The interviews are in the Emma Frost Respect Thread.

The interview only says she psi-shielded the X-Men, not that she blocked the PSI (or other) powers of the trio. Carey made it clear that Exodus could have used his other powers (e.g. TK) at Nightcrawler but that his first impulse was to fry his mind; this did not work due to Emma's psi-should and then it was too late to try anything else as he was removed from the scene.


http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=12089

Originally posted by nikbackm
The interview only says she psi-shielded the X-Men, not that she blocked the PSI (or other) powers of the trio. Carey made it clear that Exodus could have used his other powers (e.g. TK) at Nightcrawler but that his first impulse was to fry his mind; this did not work due to Emma's psi-should and then it was too late to try anything else as he was removed from the scene.


http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=12089

My bad on the Exodus thing, must have read it wrong. Blocking Mr. Sinister was shown in the comic though. After Pixie screams and Emma's concentration is lost Mr. Sinister had access to his to Telekinesis to shut Angel up before that he was sitting on the ground taunting the other X-Men.

Regardless, keeping out Sinister, Exodus and Lady Mastermind from half way across the world with no aid is still very impressive.

Originally posted by Endless Mike
Grodd is underrated, he controlled Swamp Thing once

Swamp Thing is impressive in his own right, but with all his power I don't recall him having any telepathic resistance? His plant telepathy is the closest thing he has to it. And if you're referring to placing a creature with Swamp Things physiology well:

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/4795/xman05011cu5.jpg
http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/9042/xman05012kl8.jpg
http://img206.imageshack.us/img206/1909/xman05013uc1.jpg

Grodds telekinesis is moot here and he uses his telepathy in a very one-dimensional manner, he adores mind control and the amount of people he can control and the amount of control he has over them fluctuates greatly and this is with pretending his latest appearance never happened cause that was crap.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
My bad on the Exodus thing, must have read it wrong. Blocking Mr. Sinister was shown in the comic though. After Pixie screams and Emma's concentration is lost Mr. Sinister had access to his to Telekinesis to shut Angel up before that he was sitting on the ground taunting the other X-Men.

Regardless, keeping out Sinister, Exodus and Lady Mastermind from half way across the world with no aid is still very impressive.

Does Sinister have telekinesis anymore? Could be that Carey removed that just like he apparently removed Exodus' ability to teleport. From Ms Sinister it seems he only has telepathy and some kind of healing factor under Carey's pen. At least he could have used TP to shut up Angel just as he did with Colossus.

We can also note she only struck at Sinister when he was tricked to peek inside the X-Men's minds, kinda like how she got Xavier in Legacy later. So she might have used her link with the X-Men attack team as some kind of relay to be able to work from the base in NY.

As for the actual topic.

DC generally has higher "feats" than Marvel but these differences tend to be discounted during crossovers. So with that in mind Emma Frost is a much more refined telepath than Grodd and should have no problems defeating him. By trickery if nothing else.

Originally posted by nikbackm
Does Sinister have telekinesis anymore? Could be that Carey removed that just like he apparently removed Exodus' ability to teleport. From Ms Sinister it seems he only has telepathy and some kind of healing factor under Carey's pen. At least he could have used TP to shut up Angel just as he did with Colossus.

We can also note she only struck at Sinister when he was tricked to peek inside the X-Men's minds, kinda like how she got Xavier in Legacy later. So she might have used her link with the X-Men attack team as some kind of relay to be able to work from the base in NY.

Sinister displayed telekinesis in that very issue he TK'd Angel after Emma got distracted by Pixie. And I think he used it in Blinded by the Light as well.

She never struck Sinister cause he couldn't access their minds, Storm struck him after he realized this. Not to mention that she was working on Xavier's mind without him knowing in Legacy before she revealed herself. She installed safeguards and traps the moment he made contact with Scott. Unless you're saying she was accessing Sinister mind before the X-Men arrived because she rendered him pretty helpless immediately.

Nope, she had no problem locating and re-making contact with Nightcrawler and Wolverine after Pixie screamed. Also she had no problem locating the New X-Men immediately.

Not to mention that Emma's been using long range telepathy a lot more since her inception into the X-Men.

EF

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Sinister displayed telekinesis in that very issue he TK'd Angel after Emma got distracted by Pixie. And I think he used it in Blinded by the Light as well.

She never struck Sinister cause he couldn't access their minds, Storm struck him after he realized this. Not to mention that she was working on Xavier's mind without him knowing in Legacy before she revealed herself. She installed safeguards and traps the moment he made contact with Scott. Unless you're saying she was accessing Sinister mind before the X-Men arrived because she rendered him pretty helpless immediately.

Nope, she had no problem locating and re-making contact with Nightcrawler and Wolverine after Pixie screamed. Also she had no problem locating the New X-Men immediately.

Not to mention that Emma's been using long range telepathy a lot more since her inception into the X-Men.

You might be right, but it's hard to tell from the art, he might just be hitting them with his fists as well.

I missed or forgot that Storm hit him, that's true. But she could have blocked his powers as he tried to access their minds. Just as the Panther God for some reason had to wait for the Shadow King to access Storm's mind before he could (or would) do anything.

The difference with this long range use of TP is that she knew where they were and had just had recent contact with them. I'd rather not she be able to access any point point at the globe and telepathically take out any given (within limits) threat there, it would make things too easy for her and too hard on the writers to make decent plots. There must be some limitations, she's not Storm you know.

Originally posted by nikbackm
You might be right, but it's hard to tell from the art, he might just be hitting them with his fists as well.

I don't know with the environment, Sinister stance and the special effects it looks like TK. But I'm pretty sure he used some in Blinded by the Light. I will check and get back to you when I have access to my comics. Seems odd cause he could have smacked Angel if he wanted to when they were talking. Why wait till after Emma's connection was broken?




Possible but The Panther God exists on a different plane doesn't it? It's also not exactly the same thing, since it actually chewed up and spat him out.



She's located people before across the world without aid though. She located Wolverine in Claws who was in Tokyo, In Gen X Nate Grey who was in Ireland and then in UXM broadcasted globally.

Telepaths have plenty of limitations when the plots arises, everyone and their mother seems to be resistant to telepathy or has uber psi-blockers when the plot calls for it. Also see Fractions X-Men Magic + 3 Psionics = Win. Writing a telepath is already difficult since they're like swiss army knives but they are always dealt with in some form or another.