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if its in self-defense? like if an heavily autistic person escapes from his guardian and attacks you or your child can you beat the shit out of him?

i was having a discussion about that with my cousin whose older brother is autistic and he says that hes pretty sure you cant do that.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if its in self-defense? like if an heavily autistic person escapes from his guardian and attacks you or your child can you beat the shit out of him?

i was having a discussion about that with my cousin whose older brother is autistic and he says that hes pretty sure you cant do that. As long as you don't use exsessive force I'm sure it would be okay.

beat the shit out of them or defend yourself?

technically, you aren't allowed to viciously assault a normal attacker, only use proportionately necessary force.

So, if you restrained the guy, or needed to strike them in order to either knock them out or immobilize them or whatever, legally, you should be ok. If you got upset that they attacked your brother and started hitting them, you are breaking the law. But that is also the case with normals.

If someone is trying to harm you the law allows you to defend yourself within reason. Beating the crap out of your attacker would probably be frowned on if he was autistic (and really how many homicidal autistic people are there?) or retarded or for some other reason didn't understand what was happening.

Just drop some toothpicks ask him to count them, then run away.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
That's for vampires . . .


Or Dustin Hoffman.

uummm... dudes. if a person has a mental disease and they attack, it's because their brain is telling them too. schizophrenics can be incredibly violent if they are not stabilized. the same goes with and extremely depressed or extremely manic person, a person with down's syndrome.... etc. any human being can be pushed to the point of violence, and if you are being perceived as a threat by someone, anyone, regardless of mental state, then you have a right to defend yourself.

an extremely autistic person can get upset at the merest thing. because you know they're autistic is not a reason to say, "oh, you're brain damaged. well, i guess i don't mind too much if you kill me."

pc gone over the edge.

I was just thinking.



If a retarded person is attacking you and you beat the hell of him, then the retard will be holy. hmm

I believe the law in almost every country is that one a person crosses the line into where you could be seriously hurt, raped, or killed, you are allowed to use appropriate force, up to and including deadly force to protect yourself regardless of the mental status of the person attacking you and especially if the person has a disability which prevents them from acting rationally or restraining themselves as a healthy person would. If you were justified in using force but you used force deemed excessive, the worst that could happen to you is if legal authorities found out that you had sufficient training in self defense or combat, that you had reasonable control of the situation but chose to use excessive force, you can be charged with assault with a deadly weapon, even if you fought back with your bare hands.

Uhhh...yeah, I believe you can defend yourself. I mean if someone like from the Texas chainsaw massacre comes at you with a chainsaw....you're telling me you would stand there and say..."oh that poor retard man"

Yeah...right.

Tons.

Where do you think I found the manpower for my private army?

craigslist?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Tons.

Where do you think I found the manpower for my private army?

You said private.

if he's attacking u have to defend ur self so yea u can.and jus so u no my mom's been in a wheelchair for her entire,and my entire life and advocates for disabled people,so i'm not being biased

Originally posted by siriuswriter
uummm... dudes. if a person has a mental disease and they attack, it's because their brain is telling them too. schizophrenics can be incredibly violent if they are not stabilized. the same goes with and extremely depressed or extremely manic person, a person with down's syndrome.... etc. any human being can be pushed to the point of violence, and if you are being perceived as a threat by someone, anyone, regardless of mental state, then you have a right to defend yourself.

an extremely autistic person can get upset at the merest thing. because you know they're autistic is not a reason to say, "oh, you're brain damaged. well, i guess i don't mind too much if you kill me."

pc gone over the edge.

No one has said you should let someone kill you because they're retarded, schizophrenic, autistic etc.

And statistically untreated schizophrenics are some of the least dangerous people in the entire world.

Statistically, someone who is mentally ill or impaired is about 10 times more likely to be victimized than to victimized someone else. Considering distribution of mental illnesses associated with violence such as sociopathy and psychopathy, I'd be much more worried about a CEO murdering you than someone who's homeless or in a mental hospital.

If a retard came and attacked me, I would beat the crap out of him so hard he may actually speak in perfect english and say "stop".

Mentally disabled can be very unpredictably violent. One time I witnessed a retard punching a window endlessly and I could've sworn that window was about to break and this was while on a city bus. At high school there are a few mentally disabled and one of them punched their assistant on the shoulder and wouldn't stop. I can tell that the assistant's arm didn't move right for a whole week.

There is a big, big difference between "defending yourself" and "beating the shit out of your attacker".

The former is generally okay, so long as the amount of force you use is not excessive. The latter pretty much never is.

If a person with a knife ever charged right at me and sayed that he's going to stab me, I don't think the cops will blame me if I endlessly beat the crap out of him since he threatened to take my life.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
If a person with a knife ever charged right at me and sayed that he's going to stab me, I don't think the cops will blame me if I endlessly beat the crap out of him since he threatened to take my life.

Because a jackass with a knife is exactly like a retarded person.

Also, the cops are not the entire legal system. The juries tend to frown on excessively violent wackos.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
If a person with a knife ever charged right at me and sayed that he's going to stab me, I don't think the cops will blame me if I endlessly beat the crap out of him since he threatened to take my life.

Yeah, actually, I'm pretty sure they will.

I find it amusing that in one thread he has just opposed fictional rape and in this one he's condoning excessive, real world violence agaisnt the mentally ill.

Originally posted by Peach
He's 16 and has been playing M-rated video games since the age of five, he says.

Perfect example of why games like that should not be given to children, in my opinion... I was playing GTA and Carmageddon when I was like 7-8 and I know that excessive violence is wrong. I have no problem with the young playing 18 rated video games. I don't believe that it effects a person.

Originally posted by Peach
I wasn't being serious with that statement It's a comment on something that was debated a bit about elsewhere earlier. Okie dokie then, killing people in games has and will always be fun.... And this should be taught to the young.

If you can't out think or out run a retard then, yeah, you should be able to beat the hell out of them because that probably retarded or physically handicapped as well.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if its in self-defense? like if an heavily autistic person escapes from his guardian and attacks you or your child can you beat the shit out of him?

i was having a discussion about that with my cousin whose older brother is autistic and he says that hes pretty sure you cant do that. Hang on a second... Since when it an autistic person retarded!?

Jason from F13 was retarded and he got more than the crap beat outta him on more than one occasion 131

Originally posted by dadudemon
I was just thinking.



If a retarded person is attacking you and you beat the hell of him, then the retard will be holy. hmm


how long have you been holding this one in?

Like most have said, you can use reasonable force, just because she/he is Autistic doesn't mean you have to let them hurt you because you are worried what people will do to you after defending yourself. Once you have managed to stop them hurting you, instead of reacting in a negative way because you have been hurt, try to talk to them and keep them calm until more help arrives, only make it worse with some people who have Autism.

It's very unlikely an Autistic person will just suddenly come up to you and attack if they walk away from their guardian. There is normally a reason that sets them off if they are uncomfortable.

You can't beat 'the hell' out of anyone, regardless of their mental stability. You can use various restraint methods but you can't just go and (what's essentially) attack someone otherwise I'd look into your own mental state.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Rape and violence are two different things.

Yeah, what could be less violent than rape?

Originally posted by Peach
He's 16 and has been playing M-rated video games since the age of five, he says.

Perfect example of why games like that should not be given to children, in my opinion...

So you think just because I play violent videogames at a young age, you think it inspired me to carelessly beat up the mentally ill? I'm sorry but this is just plain friggin ridiculous. I play violent games and now I'm supposed to go beat up people and I think that I can get away with it? While I'm at it, why don't I just go blow up some cars, or maybe rob a bank, or better yet why don't I just steal all the weapons from a gun store and pretend everyone is a zombie?

Originally posted by Nemesis X
So you think just because I play violent videogames at a young age, you think it inspired me to carelessly beat up the mentally ill?

What do you think inspired you to think beating up the mentally ill should be okay?

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Rape and violence are two different things. If you have no choice but to beat the crap out of your attacker then you have no choice. What do you think I'm supposed to do, let the retard beat me up? Yeah right, like that's gonna happen.

1. No they really aren't. Rape is an extreme form of violence. If you're even thinking of saying "rape is about sex", then you can go ahead and get out now.

2. There is a huge, huge difference between "stopping someone" and "beating the crap out of them". The second is being overly excessive and is not excusable. It is very possible to stop someone without using excessive force, how is that hard to get?

Originally posted by Nemesis X
So you think just because I play violent videogames at a young age, you think it inspired me to carelessly beat up the mentally ill? I'm sorry but this is just plain friggin ridiculous. I play violent games and now I'm supposed to go beat up people and I think that I can get away with it? While I'm at it, why don't I just go blow up some cars, or maybe rob a bank, or better yet why don't I just steal all the weapons from a gun store and pretend everyone is a zombie?

Learn to read the rest of the thread before replying, I was not being serious...I was poking more at how you were claiming earlier that you turned out well-adjusted and they didn't effect you at all. And yet you have opinions like this.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Rape and violence are two different things. If you have no choice but to beat the crap out of your attacker then you have no choice. What do you think I'm supposed to do, let the retard beat me up? Yeah right, like that's gonna happen.

No, if you must and I emphasis on the word must defend yourself use a method of restraint or simply hold your arm out to create a space between the two of you. Just because you choose to walk away instead of confronting the situation won't make you any less of a man.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
So you think just because I play violent videogames at a young age, you think it inspired me to carelessly beat up the mentally ill? I'm sorry but this is just plain friggin ridiculous. I play violent games and now I'm supposed to go beat up people and I think that I can get away with it? While I'm at it, why don't I just go blow up some cars, or maybe rob a bank, or better yet why don't I just steal all the weapons from a gun store and pretend everyone is a zombie?

actually, people who associate violent games with violent media don't think any of those things...

what research are you reading?

Originally posted by wicker_man
No, if you must and I emphasis on the word must defend yourself use a method of restraint or simply hold your arm out to create a space between the two of you. Just because you choose to walk away instead of confronting the situation won't make you any less of a man.

the law certainly allows for more than that in your defense

it is also quite unreasonable to think that I, a 135lbs man, would be able to restrain a 6'5", 220lbs attacker, whereas I would stand a somewhat better chance, though minimal at that, with striking/weapons. Optimally, some form of Aikedo/running my ass in the other direction would be best, but, lol, I'm gonna head lock some guy who can bench press me? or, oh, holding my arm out, I've seen that stop determined attackers dead in their track... or no, wait, thats how I got my nose broken at that party...

Originally posted by inimalist
the law certainly allows for more than that in your defense

it is also quite unreasonable to think that I, a 135lbs man, would be able to restrain a 6'5", 220lbs attacker, whereas I would stand a somewhat better chance, though minimal at that, with striking/weapons. Optimally, some form of Aikedo/running my ass in the other direction would be best, but, lol, I'm gonna head lock some guy who can bench press me? or, oh, holding my arm out, I've seen that stop determined attackers dead in their track... or no, wait, thats how I got my nose broken at that party...

However "beating the hell" out of someone is only really possible once you've already decisively won the fight and your attacker (now victim) can't defend his/her self.

Originally posted by inimalist


the law certainly allows for more than that in your defense

it is also quite unreasonable to think that I, a 135lbs man, would be able to restrain a 6'5", 220lbs attacker, whereas I would stand a somewhat better chance, though minimal at that, with striking/weapons. Optimally, some form of Aikedo/running my ass in the other direction would be best, but, lol, I'm gonna head lock some guy who can bench press me? or, oh, holding my arm out, I've seen that stop determined attackers dead in their track... or no, wait, thats how I got my nose broken at that party...

Well my advice to you is stop getting into situations which result you having your nose broken. And there are plenty of ways to avoid this without any use of force. As you said yourself running or more to the point walking away is probably your best option.

Having weapons could only inflame the situation and could possibly end you up in hot water (maybe even literally) - for one you could be disarmed yourself and have the weapon turned on you, you may end up hurting the wrong person or you may end up getting in trouble with the Police and that is before going into any repurcussions down the line.

Anyways I thought this topic was about beating up those with mental problems, to which you have to take into account they do have issues to which they most probably can't help. Personally if I was ever in that case I'd rather keep my distance and at my very best try not to be put into that situation in the first place.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
However "beating the hell" out of someone is only really possible once you've already decisively won the fight and your attacker (now victim) can't defend his/her self.

indeed. though I imagine you might have more lenience with the justice system if that person is a gangbanger and not a mentally handicapped individual.

Originally posted by wicker_man
Well my advice to you is stop getting into situations which result you having your nose broken. And there are plenty of ways to avoid this without any use of force. As you said yourself running or more to the point walking away is probably your best option.

I tend not to blame the victims of violence for the violence that happened to them. If you can't imagine a situation where someone has been the victim of violence for no fault of their own, you aren't reading enough newspapers.

Originally posted by wicker_man
Having weapons could only inflame the situation and could possibly end you up in hot water (maybe even literally) - for one you could be disarmed yourself and have the weapon turned on you, you may end up hurting the wrong person or you may end up getting in trouble with the Police and that is before going into any repurcussions down the line.

indeed it could. Though, it is just as easy to think of a situation where a weapon could assist in defense. We are speaking of already violent, re: escalated, situations.

Originally posted by wicker_man
Anyways I thought this topic was about beating up those with mental problems, to which you have to take into account they do have issues to which they most probably can't help. Personally if I was ever in that case I'd rather keep my distance and at my very best try not to be put into that situation in the first place.

but if you do become the innocent victim of violence, its entirely your own fault

I tend not to blame the victims of violence for the violence that happened to them. If you can't imagine a situation where someone has been the victim of violence for no fault of their own, you aren't reading enough newspapers.

I read plenty of papers, but I also live in the real world don't think because I'm here on this forum I've never ventured out of my room and been put in situations where physical violence has been threatend on me. And in all honesty you didn't tell me why you were assaulted, maybe I should have asked, or you should have told.

indeed it could. Though, it is just as easy to think of a situation where a weapon could assist in defense. We are speaking of already violent, re: escalated, situations.

My friend works with children with behavioural problems and as far as I'm aware he's not armed. Despite being in numerous situations where he's been in 3 on 1 situations and threatend with all sorts of weapons.
At best you dis-arm (if you can), walk away, call for back-up or isolate the attacker.
Again I higlight the many other ways to deal with such a situation.


but if you do become the innocent victim of violence, its entirely your own fault .

Then I once again say take more care where you move and who you mix with. What I do when I'm out and about. Personally I don't go to parties that double up as fight clubs or western saloons.

Originally posted by wicker_man
I read plenty of papers, but I also live in the real world don't think because I'm here on this forum I've never ventured out of my room and been put in situations where physical violence has been threatend on me. And in all honesty you didn't tell me why you were assaulted, maybe I should have asked, or you should have told.

I was assaulted at my friend's home for asking the same type of people you said I should avoid to leave, as they weren't invited and the people I was chilling with are NOT that type of people (for instance, to give some context, smoking marijuana at the party was even taboo). I was attacked, while my arms were outstretched and I was saying "I'm not going to fight you", as we waited for the police to arrive (another indication of the type of people at this party: we outnumbered these guys easily 4/5:1, and we called the cops).

I guess I could have let them trash the house, threaten the women at the party and others, and ran in the opposite direction when I was specifically confronted by this individual.

I'd also thank you not to pass judgment on myself or people that I know. I'm not an idiot. If I got robbed for drugs, even I would understand this doesn't apply to what we are talking about. I know lots of victims who knew the risks when they got involved, but that is a different thread.

Originally posted by wicker_man
My friend works with children with behavioural problems and as far as I'm aware he's not armed. Despite being in numerous situations where he's been in 3 on 1 situations and threatend with all sorts of weapons.
At best you dis-arm (if you can), walk away, call for back-up or isolate the attacker.
Again I higlight the many other ways to deal with such a situation.

so, what you are saying is that there is no situation you can think of where a weapon possessed by the victim gives them better odds of defending themselves?

Originally posted by wicker_man
Then I once again say take more care where you move and who you mix with. What I do when I'm out and about. Personally I don't go to parties that double up as fight clubs or western saloons.

hey, cool, get personal and judge me and my friends. It is patently obvious you don't know what you are talking about in that regard.

do you also think rape victims were "asking for it"?

I was assaulted at my friend's home for asking the same type of people you said I should avoid to leave, as they weren't invited and the people I was chilling with are NOT that type of people (for instance, to give some context, smoking marijuana at the party was even taboo). I was attacked, while my arms were outstretched and I was saying "I'm not going to fight you", as we waited for the police to arrive (another indication of the type of people at this party: we outnumbered these guys easily 4/5:1, and we called the cops).

I guess I could have let them trash the house, threaten the women at the party and others, and ran in the opposite direction when I was specifically confronted by this individual.

If there was even the slightest hint of trouble I'd have called the Police straight away, that's just me and in all fairness this trail off has nothing to do with the original debate; "Is it ok to beat the hell out of 'retards'".

I'd also thank you not to pass judgment on myself or people that I know. I'm not an idiot. If I got robbed for drugs, even I would understand this doesn't apply to what we are talking about. I know lots of victims who knew the risks when they got involved, but that is a different thread.

I'm only replying to your posts, anything I'm replying to is only correspondence to them. You made the assumption I don't read enough papers and that I believe all victims are 'asking for it'. All NOT TRUE.


so, what you are saying is that there is no situation you can think of where a weapon possessed by the victim gives them better odds of defending themselves?

Not when it comes to attacking people with mental disablities no I don't and correct me if I'm wrong but this is what this thread is all about?


hey, cool, get personal and judge me and my friends. It is patently obvious you don't know what you are talking about in that regard.

I'm not judging your friends or indeed you I'm judging your posts - hey I'm only going on what you say.

do you also think rape victims were "asking for it"?

Since when did rape victims come into this arguement? I never said anyone 'asks for it', only those who think it's ok to carry weapons and beat the living hell out of people, then yes those people deserve whatever comes to them - hopefully a prison cell.

lol

just to point out, I was replying to a post you made about someone still being a man if they walk away from a fight

so, yes, I'm right, and we can go back to the topic at hand

Originally posted by siriuswriter

how long have you been holding this one in?

FINALLY!

You found my retarded joke.





Originally posted by Peach
1. No they really aren't. Rape is an extreme form of violence.

This is truth.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol

just to point out, I was replying to a post you made about someone still being a man if they walk away from a fight

so, yes, I'm right, and we can go back to the topic at hand

Still, much of my post(s) refers to situations I'd deal with regardless of whether or not the person in question is of sound mind or not. I made that perfectly clear when I mentioned my friend who works with people in similar states of mind.

And there's no right or wrong answer, no matter how many you put.

ok, so your argument is that people can't get into violent situations unless they allow themselves?

this is untrue

and is, essentially, the same as saying that women won't be raped if they just avoid the situations that lead to it

it is THE blame the victim mentality

I get that you don't want it explained in that fashion, but that is what the conclusion of your points is. YOU have managed to avoid random acts of violence by doing whatever you do, so OTHERS must not be avoiding it well enough

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, so your argument is that people can't get into violent situations unless they allow themselves?

this is untrue

and is, essentially, the same as saying that women won't be raped if they just avoid the situations that lead to it

it is THE blame the victim mentality

I get that you don't want it explained in that fashion, but that is what the conclusion of your points is. YOU have managed to avoid random acts of violence by doing whatever you do, so OTHERS must not be avoiding it well enough

I thought we were getting back on topic? Not that I really left the topic to begin with.

No, I'm not saying people can't get into violent situations unless they allow themselves? It's funny how you assume what I'm saying then go on the offense and produce a response, even before you've given me chance to defend myself (no pun intended).

As I've already said I do not repeat DO NOT blame crime victims be they victims of rape, assault, theft or alien abduction.
I do blame idiots who carry weapons and think it's ok to beat people up - regardless of mental stability.

You said don't judge you, well stop being a hypocrite and judging me. If you want my views on 'do I think rape victims were asking for it' then start a thread on it or if you want my actual views on whether or not it is ok to carry weapons then do similar.

fair enough

however, look over what you posted. The very first thing you said to me was: "Well my advice to you is stop getting into situations which result you having your nose broken."

also then referring to the party I was at as a fight club.

I think you can see where I got that idea from...

Originally posted by inimalist
fair enough

however, look over what you posted. The very first thing you said to me was: "Well my advice to you is stop getting into situations which result you having your nose broken."

also then referring to the party I was at as a fight club.

I think you can see where I got that idea from...

Woah, woah, woah.


You got into a fight and got your nose broken?



That's awesome.

Originally posted by inimalist
fair enough

however, look over what you posted. The very first thing you said to me was: "Well my advice to you is stop getting into situations which result you having your nose broken."

also then referring to the party I was at as a fight club.

I think you can see where I got that idea from...

Then elaborate, and also don't finish such statements with the phrase lol. Maybe I'd have chosen a more subtle reply otherwise.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Woah, woah, woah.

You got into a fight and got your nose broken?

That's awesome.

how is that awesome? My nose has a bend in it because of some idiot trailer trash, peckerwood caveman.

though, I felt mad tough, the guy didn't knock me down before he was restrained

Originally posted by wicker_man
Then elaborate, and also don't finish such statements with the phrase lol. Maybe I'd have chosen a more subtle reply otherwise.

ok, but even in the context of the thread

if a mentally handicapped person were to attack you, how is putting your hand out going to stop them

we aren't talking about deescalating a situation, we are talking about an escalated situation.

I'd agree with every word of what you said if it were not that the thread is about someone who is attacking you, not avoiding an attack, at which point, putting your arm out is a little bit laughable.

EDIT: think of it more like this. I'm imagining someone attacking me, and me putting out my arm and going "stop". That is from a comedy movie dude

Originally posted by inimalist
ok, but even in the context of the thread

if a mentally handicapped person were to attack you, how is putting your hand out going to stop them

we aren't talking about deescalating a situation, we are talking about an escalated situation.

I'd agree with every word of what you said if it were not that the thread is about someone who is attacking you, not avoiding an attack, at which point, putting your arm out is a little bit laughable.

EDIT: think of it more like this. I'm imagining someone attacking me, and me putting out my arm and going "stop". That is from a comedy movie dude

If he or she is trying to provoke you or 'get up in your face' looking for some sort of provocation the thing I've learnt is to put your arm out to put some space between you both and try to get them to calm down. Personally if I was in a situation where it did get violent I'd either call for back-up or isolate the individual. I couldn't go on the offensive and lay the smackdown particuarly if they're of ill mind.

I agree, and outside of that situation, I've never been in a physical conflict. I've found them terribly easy to avoid.

EDIT: even if I were attacked, I'd do anything in my power to stop the attacker, but I see no reason to go further than that.

I know who knows a guy who saw his little brother getting his ass kicked. He jumped in and started pounding the guy, and ends up getting charged with assault.

Originally posted by inimalist
how is that awesome? My nose has a bend in it because of some idiot trailer trash, peckerwood caveman.

I'll tell you why it makes you awesome below:

Originally posted by inimalist
though, I felt mad tough, the guy didn't knock me down before he was restrained

That's what makes it awesome! That would be scary to break a dude's nose and he just stood there, staring at me like he was going to kill me.


And, the awesomess would increase if you won.


However, you wouldn't be awesome at all if you started it.






One of the most awesome posters here is Jaden. He beat the crap out of two thugs, AT THE SAME TIME, when they pulled a knife on him and tried to mug him!

Originally posted by dadudemon
That's what makes it awesome! That would be scary to break a dude's nose and he just stood there, staring at me like he was going to kill me.

people told me it looked really tough after, and everyone was surprised he actually broke my nose (apparently I don't have a glass chin), but no, like, I don't think being able to get hit in the face is an awesome skill by any means.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, the awesomess would increase if you won.

I don't think so, I'd feel like I would have lost something had I needed to be violent. I'm really proud that I've never had to seriously throw a punch at anyone

Originally posted by dadudemon
One of the most awesome posters here is Jaden. He beat the crap out of two thugs, AT THE SAME TIME, when they pulled a knife on him and tried to mug him!

ya, I'm no Jaden, but I've heard the story. lol, I'm trying to bulk up a little so I can take some boxing/MA, but I really don't think there is a lot to be proud of in hurting others. Its great he wasn't mugged, and I agree with his actions, I just wouldn't feel like the man after that... I'd feel like an ape or something.

Originally posted by inimalist
people told me it looked really tough after, and everyone was surprised he actually broke my nose (apparently I don't have a glass chin), but no, like, I don't think being able to get hit in the face is an awesome skill by any means.

I wouldn't fault you AT ALL if he started it and hit you first, like he did. Non-violence is good. However, sometimes it's okay to beat someone back. Self-defense.


You're no Jesus. Don't turn the other cheek. Hell, you only have one nose. haha




Originally posted by inimalist
I don't think so, I'd feel like I would have lost something had I needed to be violent. I'm really proud that I've never had to seriously throw a punch at anyone

Simple. You would have lost your temper. However, had they not pulled him off of you, it would have been close to ludicris for you not to defend yourself. You could die.



Originally posted by inimalist
ya, I'm no Jaden, but I've heard the story. lol, I'm trying to bulk up a little so I can take some boxing/MA, but I really don't think there is a lot to be proud of in hurting others. Its great he wasn't mugged, and I agree with his actions, I just wouldn't feel like the man after that... I'd feel like an ape or something.

Dude. You ARE an ape. We are apes.



And, yeah, bulking up should be no problem for you with your insulin being taken at each meal.

I would argue that no, you're not allowed to beat the hell out of anyone. I think self defence would be understood but beating the crap out of someone - not so much.
Retarded or not.

(is retarded politically correct? What is the general PC word for retarded people?)

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I would argue that no, you're not allowed to beat the hell out of anyone. I think self defence would be understood but beating the crap out of someone - not so much.
Retarded or not.

(is retarded politically correct? What is the general PC word for retarded people?)

Mentally impaired.


Alternatively gifted.





Wait, my coworker says it's developmental disability.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I would argue that no, you're not allowed to beat the hell out of anyone. I think self defence would be understood but beating the crap out of someone - not so much.
Retarded or not.

(is retarded politically correct? What is the general PC word for retarded people?)

There isn't one. Pretty much every word or phrase you could use will be the offensive one to someone else.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
There isn't one. Pretty much every word or phrase you could use will be the offensive one to someone else.

You know what threw me off the most? ''Brainstorming''.
You cannot 'Brainstorm' anymore, you can only 'mind-map' now because brainstorming is offensive to people with epilepsy.

What THE hell!?

Originally posted by dadudemon
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Wait, my coworker says it's developmental disability.

Developmental disability...that sounds about right, very PC-ish.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You know what threw me off the most? ''Brainstorming''.
You cannot 'Brainstorm' anymore, you can only 'mind-map' now because brainstorming is offensive to people with epilepsy.

What THE hell!?



Is there a single person with epilepsy who would actually be offended?

Originally posted by inimalist


ya, I'm no Jaden, but I've heard the story. lol, I'm trying to bulk up a little so I can take some boxing/MA, but I really don't think there is a lot to be proud of in hurting others. Its great he wasn't mugged, and I agree with his actions, I just wouldn't feel like the man after that... I'd feel like an ape or something.

People think it's a more intimidating situation than it actually is to get mugged. Fact is that someone who pulls and knife on you and TELLS you they are going to stab you isn't going to stab you. They just want you to think that so you'll give them the money. The last thing they expect is for you to punch them in the face. You'll rarely see a more surprised look in your life.

Originally posted by dadudemon
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Wait, my coworker says it's developmental disability.

mentally handicapped

a developmental disability is a specific condition

like sym said though, there is nothing that those looking to be sensitive about terminology wont find to be offensive, because of the nature of what it is describing. The "the world is fair and equal" PC garbage sort of falls apart with mental disability, and likewise, we have a history of terms that people thought were PC that merely become school yard insults.

I got into so many debates in clinical psych about this...

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You know what threw me off the most? ''Brainstorming''.
You cannot 'Brainstorm' anymore, you can only 'mind-map' now because brainstorming is offensive to people with epilepsy.

What THE hell!?


Oh. Em. Gee.


That's retarded.

I can understand Costco taking that doll off their shelves because it was a black baby that had a monkey and the product was called "My lil' Monkey. That's PC. Despite the maker of the dolls having an asian one and a white one, it's quite obvious that some older African Americans would find it offensive.




Sometimes, being PC can be taken too far, though.


Idiot, moron, etc. I think ALL of those were proper psychological terms. Time turned those into insults.


Same thing with Retard.




Originally posted by inimalist
mentally handicapped

a developmental disability is a specific condition

like sym said though, there is nothing that those looking to be sensitive about terminology wont find to be offensive, because of the nature of what it is describing. The "the world is fair and equal" PC garbage sort of falls apart with mental disability, and likewise, we have a history of terms that people thought were PC that merely become school yard insults.

I got into so many debates in clinical psych about this...

Didn't see this.


Yeah. I tried explaining to my homie that "idiot" was NOT an insult, back in da day. He didn't believe it. I had no internetz at the time to pwn him with, though.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
You know what threw me off the most? ''Brainstorming''.
You cannot 'Brainstorm' anymore, you can only 'mind-map' now because brainstorming is offensive to people with epilepsy.

What THE hell!? Not true, that has been reversed because it was found out that epileptics didn't find it offensive. You can say brainstorm all you want now.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I wouldn't fault you AT ALL if he started it and hit you first, like he did. Non-violence is good. However, sometimes it's okay to beat someone back. Self-defense.

You're no Jesus. Don't turn the other cheek. Hell, you only have one nose. haha

Simple. You would have lost your temper. However, had they not pulled him off of you, it would have been close to ludicris for you not to defend yourself. You could die.

you misunderstand me

I'm all in favor of fighting back. and if I had to, I would.

Having to, however, would take a part of my humanity that I feel is important to me. This type of behaviour need be left in the jungles. That I have no choice depresses me more about the condition of our society than makes me feel alright about having to hurt someone.

like, if I need to, I'll throw an exacto-knife or a wrench in my pocket when I go out. Not to start things, obviously, but you know...

Originally posted by dadudemon
Dude. You ARE an ape. We are apes.

I wasn't speaking literally.

Honestly, even if I won, and mopped the floor with the guys face, I wouldn't feel proud. It would be hard not to be ashamed.

Not that I don't think it was necessary, not that I would ever judge someone who did it, not that I wouldn't encourage people to defend themselves as violently as they feel necessary, its that, the action, to me, is so primitive, even having to do it in self defense is demeaning. Violence is demeaning to society in general.

Originally posted by dadudemon
And, yeah, bulking up should be no problem for you with your insulin being taken at each meal.

ya, its pretty good now that my body isn't eating itself to survive

Originally posted by jaden101
People think it's a more intimidating situation than it actually is to get mugged. Fact is that someone who pulls and knife on you and TELLS you they are going to stab you isn't going to stab you. They just want you to think that so you'll give them the money. The last thing they expect is for you to punch them in the face. You'll rarely see a more surprised look in your life.

I hear you. I actually agree, I wouldn't be scared that some guy who pulls a knife is going to cut me up, else he probably would have lead with the stab.

I don't have the requisite skills, nor any possessions worth the risk, imho, but ya, go kicking some muggers' asses.

Originally posted by inimalist
you misunderstand me

I'm all in favor of fighting back. and if I had to, I would.

Having to, however, would take a part of my humanity that I feel is important to me. This type of behaviour need be left in the jungles. That I have no choice depresses me more about the condition of our society than makes me feel alright about having to hurt someone.

like, if I need to, I'll throw an exacto-knife or a wrench in my pocket when I go out. Not to start things, obviously, but you know...

Cool.

I don't go out of my way to get into fights, as well. In fact, these days, I find myself going out of my way to avoid fights.



Originally posted by inimalist
I wasn't speaking literally.

I was being a smartass.

Originally posted by inimalist
Honestly, even if I won, and mopped the floor with the guys face, I wouldn't feel proud. It would be hard not to be ashamed.

Not that I don't think it was necessary, not that I would ever judge someone who did it, not that I wouldn't encourage people to defend themselves as violently as they feel necessary, its that, the action, to me, is so primitive, even having to do it in self defense is demeaning. Violence is demeaning to society in general..


All that would be necessary is enough force to end the situation. One swift punch to the temple, and he's out. One punch. Problem solved.

Especailly if he doesn't box, or anything like that. He should go down with one well placed punch. Done quickly enough, it will save injury on both ends, cept the concussion part of it.



Originally posted by inimalist
ya, its pretty good now that my body isn't eating itself to survive

Glad to "hear."

Originally posted by dadudemon
Idiot, moron, etc. I think ALL of those were proper psychological terms. Time turned those into insults.


Same thing with Retard.

Retarded is still a medical term, I believe.

Punching someone in the temple is just irresponsible. You can kill people that way.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Retarded is still a medical term, I believe.

I would think you're correct.

My educated guess would be that retarded is related to French word 'retard' which means late or delay. 'Retardataire' means a latecomer.

So it sort of makes sense...

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I would think you're correct.

My educated guess would be that retarded is related to French word 'retard' which means late or delay. 'Retardataire' means a latecomer.

So it sort of makes sense...

It comes from latin meaning "to slow down", I believe. And into English it probably came through French.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It comes from latin meaning "to slow down", I believe. And into English it probably came through French.

I didn't know that, interesting!

Although most of French words are of Latin/Greek origin and about 60% of English words are of French origin, even though it is a Germanic language.

..if I'm not mistaken.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I didn't know that, interesting!

Although most of French words are of Latin/Greek origin and about 60% of English words are of French origin, even though it is a Germanic language.

..if I'm not mistaken.

That's cause those losery Brits let themselves be conquered and ruled by the French. What a bunch of 'tards, amirite?

Haha!

Originally posted by Bardock42
That's cause those losery Brits let themselves be conquered and ruled by the French. What a bunch of 'tards, amirite? Says the german, aweosme war track record you've got.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, that's like a 100 people attacking some weak dude just out of the hospital and then boasting "hahaha, you only killed half of us before we put you back in the hospital"

Maybe you should boast about another achievement you had...the invention of the concentration camp perhaps, or your dreadful record in football, or your economy, health and crime rates....hmm

Wow.

That even stung me a little bit, and my ancestors left England for America over 250 years ago, for a good reason.

On the side note, all the way till industrialization France was the richest and most powerful country in Europe...yes

Originally posted by Bardock42
Again, that's like a 100 people attacking some weak dude just out of the hospital and then boasting "hahaha, you only killed half of us before we put you back in the hospital"

Maybe you should boast about another achievement you had...the invention of the concentration camp perhaps, or your dreadful record in football, or your economy, health and crime rates....hmm And yet we still beat Germany in 2 World Wars... hmm

We saved your ass in World War 3!

Yey!

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
They were our allies, if they to to say they saved us fine, but Nazi Germany wasn't going to stop at Europe, eventually the US would have felt their grip.

Originally posted by Bardock42
pr1983 I was joking.

What does Bardock losing WWII have to do with beating reta....

Oh.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
I think Murka would have eventually come in front of the barrel, but if Hitler hadn't gone for the Russians...well, who knows what would have happened.
Keeping two fronts...like Izzard said, Hitler hadn't played Risk as a child. No, he didn't. Yeah, we'll never know, and it's good that we won't. It's good that the US got involved, even if they make movies like Enigma, where they take glory for other countries' triumphs.

And God bless Izzard, he's one funny ****er.

That's totally different. I'm not saying the US did nothing.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if its in self-defense? like if an heavily autistic person escapes from his guardian and attacks you or your child can you beat the shit out of him?

i was having a discussion about that with my cousin whose older brother is autistic and he says that hes pretty sure you cant do that.

You can defend yourself, just do nothing over the top.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if its in self-defense? like if an heavily autistic person escapes from his guardian and attacks you or your child can you beat the shit out of him?

i was having a discussion about that with my cousin whose older brother is autistic and he says that hes pretty sure you cant do that.
Note; Yes you are given the right for self defense, but not aloud to go around hiting people. When you fear for your life or someone is coming at you, you can defend your self.
Now it is shown that when you do self defense you can't take it over the top. Meaning for a exsample,

If someones trying to pick you up, and you are not willing you can defened your self,say you stabbed him ten times. And the man died,that will be murder. For you only use self defence to get away or protect your self when the other person puts you in fear of your life.

Originally posted by Cammii
Note; Yes you are given the right for self defense, but not aloud to go around hiting people. When you fear for your life or someone is coming at you, you can defend your self.
Now it is shown that when you do self defense you can't take it over the top. Meaning for a exsample,

If someones trying to pick you up, and you are not willing you can defened your self,say you stabbed him ten times. And the man died,that will be murder. For you only use self defence to get away or protect your self when the other person puts you in fear of your life.

You might be able to still get off of the murder charge, even in that case, if it can be adequately proven that it took 10 times to stop the attack, from the defendant's perspective.

Originally posted by dadudemon
You might be able to still get off of the murder charge, even in that case, if it can be adequately proven that it took 10 times to stop the attack, from the defendant's perspective.

Retards have retard-strength, strength upwards of 10 times normal human strength. So 10 times the force to stop one sounds reasonable.

Originally posted by Robtard
Retards have retard-strength, strength upwards of 10 times normal human strength. So 10 times the force to stop one sounds reasonable.




Tard powers rule.

Originally posted by dadudemon
I was just thinking.

If a retarded person is attacking you and you beat the hell of him, then the retard will be holy. hmm

holy retard, Batman!!!

Originally posted by Robtard
Retards have retard-strength, strength upwards of 10 times normal human strength. So 10 times the force to stop one sounds reasonable.

But the OP was talking about autistic people, who technically aren't retarded.

The only retards that need beating are the idiots who closed down those schools that were supposed to be only for the retarded. Why did they close them down?!

You wouldn't need to beat the crap out of them. You can use many restraining techniques(holds) to bind them until he/she calms down. I used to work with the mentally handicapped, and they can throw fits and tantrums, just like children. Occasionally, they do get violent..and restraining techniques do work well against them.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars
You wouldn't need to beat the crap out of them. You can use many restraining techniques(holds) to bind them until he/she calms down. I used to work with the mentally handicapped, and they can throw fits and tantrums, just like children. Occasionally, they do get violent..and restraining techniques do work well against them.

Once you're near a retard that has tantrums, you best hope they don't have the strength of Jason Voorhees. It's been known that these people can get really surprisingly strong. Just great, first retards are annoying and now they're becoming violent as heck. We keep telling people to quit drinking or taking drugs while pregnant but do they listen to us? No. And are they taking steroids while pregnant because where the kids get their strength is a mystery to me.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Once you're near a retard that has tantrums, you best hope they don't have the strength of Jason Voorhees. It's been known that these people can get really surprisingly strong. Just great, first retards are annoying and now they're becoming violent as heck. We keep telling people to quit drinking or taking drugs while pregnant but do they listen to us? No. And are they taking steroids while pregnant because where the kids get their strength is a mystery to me.




That's typically a myth. A mentally handicapped person isn't any stronger than a normal person of similar size. With that said, you do have large "retarded" people...some over 6'3 that I've had to deal with. They can be subdued. They have no idea how to fight or defend themselves, so they are much easier to bring down than a normal person...at least in my experience with them. Of course, I know basic BJJ techniques that I learned courtesy of the U.S. Army Combatives program...and I'm into MMA, so it may be much easier with me.

Wrong: There's a Trisomy 21 that works out at my gym, guy is around 5'3" 140-145lbs and this spud can lift hundreds and hundreds of pounds like it's nothing. He's also a shameless self-promoter who yells out "yeah, I'm very strong; I'm the best looking one."

This is just one example of the sheer might of the retard I've seen.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But the OP was talking about autistic people, who technically aren't retarded.

Rainman couldn't tie his own shoes.

Originally posted by Tattoos N Scars


That's typically a myth. A mentally handicapped person isn't any stronger than a normal person of similar size. With that said, you do have large "retarded" people...some over 6'3 that I've had to deal with. They can be subdued. They have no idea how to fight or defend themselves, so they are much easier to bring down than a normal person...at least in my experience with them. Of course, I know basic BJJ techniques that I learned courtesy of the U.S. Army Combatives program...and I'm into MMA, so it may be much easier with me.

I worked with a schizophrenic who, for a man 5 feet tall, could take down walls and furniture bolted to them with ease if he was in an escalated mood.

Its not that they are any stronger, its that their body doesn't naturally restrict itself when they are upset. You or I could knock down a wall with our bare hands, though we might not simply because our rational brain says "wait, lets not break our fingers today"

Originally posted by inimalist
I worked with a schizophrenic who, for a man 5 feet tall, could take down walls and furniture bolted to them with ease if he was in an escalated mood.

Its not that they are any stronger, its that their body doesn't naturally restrict itself when they are upset. You or I could knock down a wall with our bare hands, though we might not simply because our rational brain says "wait, lets not break our fingers today"


That is true. A normal person will typically pull their punches just prior to impact. Punching someone's skull or the side of a wall can break your knuckles. The mentally handicapped and severely inebriated individuals will not do this. I've worked security in bars also...and I've had several guys try to take swings at me and miss...they sometimes hit the wall so hard...you can see the swelling in their hand. They don't feel it right then...lol. Alcohol seems to numb the pain receptors...but when they sober up, they're gonna be hurtin' like hell..lol.

oh ya

The guy I was talking about, had a massive behavioural escalation one day, rips a bolted cabinet (which me and another male staff couldn't budge together) off the wall, and smashes it so hard into unbreakable plexiglass that the plastic bends enough to shatter a window 2-3" behind it. As a result, the next day I spent 6 hours in the ER with him because he demolished his hand in the process.

Originally posted by inimalist
oh ya

The guy I was talking about, had a massive behavioural escalation one day, rips a bolted cabinet (which me and another male staff couldn't budge together) off the wall, and smashes it so hard into unbreakable plexiglass that the plastic bends enough to shatter a window 2-3" behind it. As a result, the next day I spent 6 hours in the ER with him because he demolished his hand in the process.


That must have been an ordeal. I've never had to deal with one quite like that. He must be using PCP too..lol

nope, we also had him on enough anti-psychotics to put down a horse, lol

Originally posted by inimalist
oh ya

The guy I was talking about, had a massive behavioural escalation one day, rips a bolted cabinet (which me and another male staff couldn't budge together) off the wall, and smashes it so hard into unbreakable plexiglass that the plastic bends enough to shatter a window 2-3" behind it. As a result, the next day I spent 6 hours in the ER with him because he demolished his hand in the process.

This is what you do, you use your psycho-babble to condition the guy's fits of rage to a trigger word. Then you drop his 5' unsuspecting ass into the underground fight-scene. You could make a killing on bets.

He enters the ring, all meek and calm, the second the fight starts you shout out the trigger word and he gets to ripping the opponents head off, like he did that cabinet.

Originally posted by Robtard
This is what you do, you use your psycho-babble to condition the guy's fits of rage to a trigger word. Then you drop his 5' unsuspecting ass into the underground fight-scene. You could make a killing on bets.

He enters the ring, all meek and calm, the second the fight starts you shout out the trigger word and he gets to ripping the opponents head off, like he did that cabinet.



He'd take out Fedor in the 1st round

If only I had thought of that...

strangely enough, he did have such triggers. Such as "jesus is watching you". Funny that a paranoid schizophrenic was allowed to go to church... (funnier still that I was the bad guy for pointing this out)

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
if its in self-defense? like if an heavily autistic person escapes from his guardian and attacks you or your child can you beat the shit out of him?

i was having a discussion about that with my cousin whose older brother is autistic and he says that hes pretty sure you cant do that.
If he/she attacks me, I'd probably hurt him/her just enough to make him stop/cry.

If he/she attacks my child, I'll punch his neck.

Originally posted by inimalist
If only I had thought of that...

strangely enough, he did have such triggers. Such as "jesus is watching you". Funny that a paranoid schizophrenic was allowed to go to church... (funnier still that I was the bad guy for pointing this out)


I went to high school with this one dude that wasn't severely retarded. He was sort of on the same level as Karl Childers in Sling Blade. Anyway, he wore the same shirt to school everyday...a Batman shirt. A lot of the jocks would tease him and say that Batman was dead. He would go into a severe rage and come out swinging. He was always nice and docile, but if you said anything negative about Batman, this dude was ready to throw down..lol.

inamilist - If you don't mind me asking, what work do you do that requires being around such people and medication?

Originally posted by MildPossession
inamilist - If you don't mind me asking, what work do you do that requires being around such people and medication?

He's the organ player in his local church

Originally posted by MildPossession
inamilist - If you don't mind me asking, what work do you do that requires being around such people and medication?

previously I worked in a group home with mentally handicapped individuals

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
He's the organ player in his local church

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
He's the organ player in his local church

yo, I can run my hands across an organ like nobody!

EDIT: I like to play my organ at church.

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