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8 team tourney

1. TP Link and Ganondorf

2. Megaman and Samus

3. Dante and Sephiroth

4. Kratos and Galen Marek

5. Kain and Kefka

6. Cloud and Nero

7. Bowser and Ridley

8. Alex Mercer and Wesker

Round one matches are team 1 vs 8; 2 vs 7; 3 vs 6; 4 vs 5;

powers displayed in their games are the only ones availible for use. nothing from kingdom hearts though. no time magic allowed. best versions of each. no soul stealing or instant death magic. each member from the winning team will be brought back to life to fight in the next round.

i will post round 2 match-ups the day after the final match is done being argued.

If the Sephiroth fans come back, this thread will last forever.

would it really take forever to beat cloud and nero?

Most of these battles are fairly obvious to me, naturally, Kain destroys Kratos early on, Galen marek is the only special character who can probably defeat Kain in this matchup or at least normal Kain, your stripulations make make a diffrence to that but not to this fight, I think Marek may give Kain a run for his money and then die. Mainly because its 2 against one as well, Kratos is hardly going to help.

Cloud and Nero obviously die since they are typically weaker forms of their opponents.

Mercer kills link but due to his varied powers nad sorcery Ganon may get the better of team 8.

I dont know about the rest

I really think it depends on team placement. If Link is put up against Mercer, he'd have a hard time certainly, but I think he'd be better used against Wesker, while Ganon can simply seal Mercer. Megaman and Samus will absolutely stomp Bowser and Ridley (she's done it enough times to Rids on her own). I agree that Dante and Seph take their win, mostly thanks to Dante. I'm not sure about Kratos/Starkiller against Kain/Kefka.

Seal, through what? I hope your not talking about that slow and fairly useless seal? e.g portal on the floor?

Kratos/starkiller have the disadvantage of Kratos not being able to stop team the team, he cannot od anything, the only thing that supports this team is Starkillers incredible force powers but even they take a moment of time, and with two guys attacking you at once....I dont even know hte powers of Kefka.

So you're basing that victory all around Kain?

To a degree, Kain is enough but having two against 1 seems a little unfair. I imagine Kefka is no weakling.

1. Ganondorf solos. Mercer and Wesker cannot kill him.

2. Team 2 wins.

3. Team 3 wins.

4. I'm not too sure about this one. You have a guy with Herculean strength plus magic and a master of the Force on one side and on the other we have two magic users (with one of them who managed to drain the magic of three Esper gods). Maybe Team 5?

1 vs 8 is a no contest win for Ganondorf and Link. Ganon's epic TK FTW. He seals 'em both in the gap between dimension for pure lulz. Or soul rapes.

2 vs 7 is equally bad. Megaman's tough, and Samus has beaten Ridley every other time.

3 vs 6 is a case of characters picking on thier little brothers. Three wins.

4 vs 5 I can't call. Kefka vs Kratos is a wierd match up, indeed. This quickly turns into a two vs one, though, so I'm giving the edge to Kratos and SK.

so the only battle really undecided is 4 vs 5. the most even match up.

4 vs 5 goes to Kratos and Galen.

Originally posted by Burning thought

Mercer kills link but due to his varied powers nad sorcery Ganon may get the better of team 8.


mercer cannot kill link. he may have extremely high durability but he isnt strong enough to compete with link. i dont see link killing mercer though unless link cuts him open and sticks a bomb in mercer to scatter his body and collect his brain in a jar so that mercer cant fully reform.

as far as match 4 goes it all depends on who can get the drop on who. if galen manages use the force on either it could make it 2v1 but if kain can drain either it would be 2v1 the other way.

what can megaman and samus do to bowser exactly? he survived falling into a star and flying through space

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
8 team tourney

1. TP Link and Ganondorf

2. Megaman and Samus

3. Dante and Sephiroth

4. Kratos and Galen Marek

5. Kain and Kefka

6. Cloud and Nero

7. Bowser and Ridley

8. Alex Mercer and Wesker

Round one matches are team 1 vs 8; 2 vs 7; 3 vs 6; 4 vs 5;

powers displayed in their games are the only ones availible for use. nothing from kingdom hearts though. no time magic allowed. best versions of each. no soul stealing or instant death magic. each member from the winning team will be brought back to life to fight in the next round.

i will post round 2 match-ups the day after the final match is done being argued.

1. Team 1

2. Team 2?

3. Team 3

4. Team 5, probably.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
mercer cannot kill link. he may have extremely high durability but he isnt strong enough to compete with link. i dont see link killing mercer though unless link cuts him open and sticks a bomb in mercer to scatter his body and collect his brain in a jar so that mercer cant fully reform.

as far as match 4 goes it all depends on who can get the drop on who. if galen manages use the force on either it could make it 2v1 but if kain can drain either it would be 2v1 the other way.

You kidding me? the guy tosses around tanks on a regular basis and slices through them with ease, his actual canon feats based on cutscenes are few however so his actual durability is difficult, he just cannot be killed imo by Link and Link has little to no defence against mercer.

Well whatever happens Kratos is a non factor, so its really Kefka and Kain vs Marek, 2 vs 1 is not good odds, especially since Kain can teleport and mist to escape various force powers and Kefka sounds powerful as well.

Team 5 win the tourney.

haermm

Hm a favourite with you hm hunnie? blunder 4 part 3

Don't call me hunnie, I'm not using lube tonight... So grab the pillow, and clench your teeth.

Kain gets raped first round, badly, and it's 2v1 against Kefka, if anything. You're right though, Kefka's very powerful, which is why he gets a team mate who's not up to his own level. :P

The question is whether Kefka can pull it together 2v1.

Youve not got an argument I take it, merely a blunder 4 part 1, are we going to recreate the whole blunder 4 in this thread? hmmm

Make an argument please.

Otherwise Kain fairly easily destroys Kratos and Marek, neither can actually stop him. Kefka is a bonus to make sure marek does indeed die. Also the only thing that could beat Kain is the same thing that can beat Kefka. Although I am not sure if Kefka can return from death.

My argument: Kratos tears Kain apart, or Galen force-crushes him, as soon as the match starts. He's go no feats of reaction to deal with either one. You'll claim he mists, then I'll highlight force-lightning.

Also, BS. :]

Kratos could never touch Kain......this is just you spiting Kain as usual, which is understandable. So whats he going to do? force lightning which has a limited range or force crush? he can only do one before Kain is gone through teleport and kills him, if he can do it at all. Then we can go onto asking why both team members are attacking Kain at once, I mean sure he is the most powerful character in this tourney but thats not a reason for them to ignore Kefka nor is it likely. Kefka gets force crushed with impunity as Kains teleport finishes with Galens head on the floor.

Then Kain has fun with kratos.

I said 'or', as in, either character could immediately stomp him.

IE, Kratos could tear Kain's head off before he could react, or SK could pop it. Whichever. If for whatever reason Kain /did/ manage to get into a mist form, Kratos simply jumps on Kefka while SK force-lightnings the mist into oblivion. Kain can teleport all he wants, SK has precog and a lightsaber, if Kain tries it, he gets dismembered.

Edit: LOL@Kain being the most powerful in this thread.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
I said 'or', as in, either character could immediately stomp him.

IE, Kratos could tear Kain's head off before he could react, or SK could pop it. Whichever. If for whatever reason Kain /did/ manage to get into a mist form, Kratos simply jumps on Kefka while SK force-lightnings the mist into oblivion. Kain can teleport all he wants, SK has precog and a lightsaber, if Kain tries it, he gets dismembered.

Edit: LOL@Kain being the most powerful in this thread.

Marek is the only one, talk some sense.

No, Kratos is not that fast and its stupid to think they start off touching noses. When has starkiller reacted to 300 milliseconds? I doubt it, how about 300 milliseconds while moving as slow as a sloth?


Why is mountain throwing Screampaste link so much greater? also you seem to agree with me, according to you both Kratos and Starkiller are going to attack Kain with all their power at once...ignoring Kefka...

The OP said strongest versions of all, so am I to assume this is full fledged God Kratos for this fight?

Problem 1. The average human can react to 250
Problem 2. SK has precog.
Problem 3. Even if SK were slowed, he'd still see it coming and saber Kain.

L2read. I said 'or', again.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Problem 1. The average human can react to 250
Problem 2. SK has precog.
Problem 3. Even if SK were slowed, he'd still see it coming and saber Kain.

L2read. I said 'or', again.

1. react to 250 of an object actually existing in your plane and coming at you, Kain can be anywhere around Starkiller at any time and is not travelling on his plane which means he cannot avoid it.

2. Show me, I would like him using his precog to react to Kain teleporting again and again from diffrent directions.

3. silly statement, he wouldnt saber anything, he would simply try. Also prove SK can move his saber up and slice Kain in an instant as Kain appears from w/e area he does.

But anyway, Kain reforms through mist if he is damaged.

I ignore that because i know your just Kain hating, I could say "or" Starkiller kills kefka as Kain beheads him and then toys with Kratos.

This is horribly flawed because the numbers you used to determined how quick the attack is come from our 'plane'.

Your not making any sense again.....

Kefka is the only reason why Team 5 wins. continent bust.

Thats probably slower than Marek one hitting him with a force attack...

Originally posted by Burning thought
Thats probably slower than Marek one hitting him with a force attack... actually its quite fast and its AOE.

That's because I'm using logic. Let me find you a translator.

Someone call for a translator?

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Someone call for a translator?


No its already been noted, its already in Gibberish, if we find something that is actually logical and makes sense then we will call you to make it gibbeish if its required.

Originally posted by Phanteros
actually its quite fast and its AOE.

Show me...

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
That's because I'm using logic. Let me find you a translator.

Oh you mean your using SP logic, thats why I dont understand such gibberish. It was prob a little spite because you dont like Links vague and inconsistent feat being dismissed.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/9/9b/LightofJudgment.JPG wrecking a continent.

lol no, I meant show me from start to finish the speed and then the power of Kefka using this ability.

Originally posted by Phanteros
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/9/9b/LightofJudgment.JPG wrecking a continent.

That's hardly wrecking a continent.

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol no, I meant show me from start to finish the speed and then the power of Kefka using this ability. I just did show the power.

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol no, I meant show me from start to finish the speed and then the power of Kefka using this ability.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecuW1uCi5U8 2:27

yes, and I asked for the speed and then the power and thats a very poor image, whatever it is, A.G points out that it looks nothing like a continent.

Originally posted by Burning thought
yes, and I asked for the speed and then the power and thats a very poor image, whatever it is, A.G points out that it looks nothing like a continent. That is a continent a pixel one

Originally posted by Burning thought
yes, and I asked for the speed and then the power and thats a very poor image, whatever it is, A.G points out that it looks nothing like a continent.

Well, it is a continent. It's just not really getting wrecked, at least not what I consider 'wrecked'. That laser(Light of Judgment) can easily wipe out small towns, but not continents.

From what I gathered it took him about 3 seconds to start the laser, one of two of those seconds and Kefka would be dead anyway from anyone in this battle other than Kratos for obvious reasons.

Then youve got the fact the beam itself is just that, its just a laser moving across the ground. It didnt wreck much of anything in that image, just could of hit grasslands nad caused a small forest fire for all I know. It hardly looked like a populated area or large urban environment.

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
That's hardly wrecking a continent. how can you show damage on a pixel.

considering he wasn't in his God form.

Can you show me his God form doing something more impressive?

Originally posted by Burning thought
From what I gathered it took him about 3 seconds to start the laser, one of two of those seconds and Kefka would be dead anyway from anyone in this battle other than Kratos for obvious reasons.

Then youve got the fact the beam itself is just that, its just a laser moving across the ground. It didnt wreck much of anything in that image, just could of hit grasslands nad caused a small forest fire for all I know. It hardly looked like a populated area or large urban environment.

Yea, Kefka was just firing the laser randomly to show off his power. And because they pissed him off with saccharine bullshit about friendship and love. And because he's batshit insane.

lol poor show really, good show of reach but it didnt look like he damaged much. So you say it can destroy towns but not actually much more than that?

Originally posted by Burning thought
Can you show me his God form doing something more impressive? only thing I can find is when he move the triads that caused a continent to split in half. after that he took their power.

Is it fast? would it be any use in this fight?

Originally posted by Burning thought
lol poor show really, good show of reach but it didnt look like he damaged much. So you say it can destroy towns but not actually much more than that?

Yeah, not much more than that. But I daresay that anyone in this thread that gets hit by it will get their shit instantly ruined.

EDIT: As you can see, it's fast as hell. It just takes a few seconds to charge up.

truth, but it is, indeed a slow charge for the likes of Kain, marek etc

Hes prob going to take a back seat in this battle then but if Screampaste is right and they attack Kain first then ime sure Kefka has time to let his laser loose nad destroy his opponents.

Learn to understand the word "or", BT.

Theres no such thing as "or" when your sitting there stating how they could destroy Kain physically....

We could all say "or", its not likely however that Kratos is going ot be taken seriously by Team 5.

Then Kain's arrogance will be his downfall

Explain

Explun.

Kratos cannot fight Team 5, he will be the child left on the ground floor when everyone else is teleporting at speeds or causing extreme destruction. He cant keep up with these characters.

Proof? Kain's best speed, 300 milliseconds you said? Can be reacted to by average people.

It takes him 300 milliseconds for him to fade from his teleport and appear and strike someone from an unkown angle, the actrual strike itself would take a fraction of that I imagine (obvioulsy). And this is a teleport, so its not really speed, hes just one place, then hes in another. Kratos cannot do anything tbh, certainly not cover any ground worth covering before Kefka or Kain destroy him.

Galen is the only one worth mension on his team.

Saying Kratos could rip Kain in half, is like saying he would rip Link in half, in other words, Kain wouldn't just sit up there doing nonething. Besides, Kain can teleport.

Thank you Gumachi, its one of those obvious things that I am surprised Scream has not realised could sort of defeat Kratos' "rip in half" strategy.

bt are you trying to make kefka seem weaker? that will only hurt kain's chance in the end.

Its two against one, theres no chance here. Kefka is weaker than Kain but it does not matter, given the fact its Marek vs Kefka AND Kain pretty much by himself hes doomed, Kains too quick and cannot be permanently stopped by the guy and Kefka has a powerful laser more than a match to wipe the field if given time.

apparently kefka killed 20 summons with one move how is he weak

Has Kratos ever been harmed by something as strong as Kain?

god kratos is featless

I lol @ the idea Kain can beat God Kratos. Mortal Kratos stomps, how does God Kratos get weaker?

Thanks to both of you for failing to answer my question.

This is mortal Kratos? Maybe Kratos steps on Kain, I don't know.

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Has Kratos ever been harmed by something as strong as Kain? Zeus

Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
Has Kratos ever been harmed by something as strong as Kain?

Ares

Wouldn't they be stronger?

I've never seen any Strength feat for Kain. Ever.

He's asking;

Is Kain strong enough to hurt Kratos; IE, has Kratos ever been damaged by an enemy as weak as Kain.

What makes you think Kain could hurt Kratos?

I don't think that yet. I asked you guys if he could.

Nothing. :P I'm saying I doubt it. Kain's comparitively very weak.

Isn't Raziel more powerful than Kratos?

Based on what? I heard BT claim Raziel's class 40? And BT tends to exaggerate LoK characters.

It's really not fair when you answer my questions with more questions that I don't know the answer to.

kratos has not shown any resistance to damage especially in his small form. kain would be able to hurt him. dont know with what attacks but im sure he could

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
apparently kefka killed 20 summons with one move how is he weak

Because hes got no moves so far shown that are fast enough for this fight. So in this fight he would be weak unless both members of this fight attack Kain at once.

Also onto the strength conversation:

Zues has not shown strength any greater than Kain in his smaller form and tbh I am not sure ive seen Ares in his larger form. The only impressive thing is when he threw that spear across a long distance to impale Kratos, but that may not be strength, it could be magic. Fact of the matter is, God Kratos has no feats really, neither strength or durability and the best feats for Kratos in his prime are not typically useful.

Other than that Kratos' flesh is fair game and its irrelvent whether or not he can be damaged by Kain at this time, the point is he cant attack him.

Kratos rips Kain apart for the pure lolz. There's nothing for you to debate here BT, much as you may think otherwise.

Here's where you theorise Kain can reform severed limbs... lol.

You mean "us" to debate, several people have realised your spite and kain hate, as well as the fact in one teleport Kain could be beyond Kratos' reach.

No, ill logically state the fact that Kain could turn himself to mist like he always does and reform as a whole like he always does when its actually possible for a member of this argument to destroy him.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
kratos has not shown any resistance to damage especially in his small form.

He fell from 100s of feet from the air, and wasn't hurt.

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Originally posted by Burning thought
Because hes got no moves so far shown that are fast enough for this fight. So in this fight he would be weak unless both members of this fight attack Kain at once.

Also onto the strength conversation:

Zues has not shown strength any greater than Kain in his smaller form and tbh I am not sure ive seen Ares in his larger form. The only impressive thing is when he threw that spear across a long distance to impale Kratos, but that may not be strength, it could be magic. Fact of the matter is, God Kratos has no feats really, neither strength or durability and the best feats for Kratos in his prime are not typically useful.

I seriously doubt that Ares used magic. If Kratos easily pushed a (shallow) Colossus statue feet away, what makes you think he would have used magic? As for strength, he easily got out of the "hold" Colossus had put him in.

But yeah, most likely, Kratos steps on Kain, most likely. Also, most of the strength feats Kratos used in the past GoW game, is safe to be used in his godly form.

Originally posted by Gumachi




I seriously doubt that Ares used magic. If Kratos easily pushed a (shallow) Colossus statue feet away, what makes you think he would have used magic? As for strength, he easily got out of the "hold" Colossus had put him in.

But yeah, most likely, Kratos steps on Kain, most likely. Also, most of the strength feats Kratos used in the past GoW game, is safe to be used in his godly form.

Well its within his options, if hes apprently got the TK to destroy within moments an entire barbarian army, a spear shouldnt be much problem. Ares himself was stamping and punching the ground during his war against Athens and not causing that much damage. Kratos even in his god form has only punched away moderatly sized buildings.

Kratos even in his large form could not step on Kain for the same reason you stated he cannot rip him in half..... infact hes not really even that large or fast so Kain doesnt even need teleport, he could probably mist/run it.

He's pretty fast for his size (also if you count Hades). How couldn't he step on him, though? Unless Kain can teleport before he steps on him or something. Besides, doesn't he have his godly powers?

Kratos has never shown any real godly powers other than his size....and no, theres no way Kratos could ever step on Kain, Kain could teleport before Kratos was close and if he started within a step away from crushing Kain, Kain could teleport or turn to mist before the foot lands.

Where is Neo Exdeath he should be in this.

godly powers in GoW... heaven forbid these olympic gods actually try to stop kratos. the entire game should have lasted 1 min. as soon as ares saw kratos as a threat, freeze time and behead him barbarian style. but i digress.

anyway i need a definitive winner. cast your votes tally at 12:30

Kain and Kefka is my obvious vote, and thats the only obvious answer unless you think marek can take them both on...or ofc your a hater

im not a hater. i maybe a kratos disliker but i still dont see him not being a factor in the fight

Hes got no place in the fight, the most he could do is fire a few lightnig bolts but their not that quick or he could fire his Typhons bane about but hes too slow for anything else. Taking into account I like Kratos,hes one of my fave characters and ive played GOW 1 and 2...soon 3

lightning is very fast

real natural lightning is, Kratos' magic lightning is fairly slow.

the lightning kratos has is the same as zeus's aka natural lightning

Zues has slow lightning as well, they both have diffrent kinds of lightning, Zeus has shown slower balls of lightning which is sort of what Kratos throws. I must ask have you seen Kratos throw lightning?

Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
THe lightning that Zeus throws out of his hands is not natural lightning. It's too slow and the color isn't really right either.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
the lightning kratos has is the same as zeus's aka natural lightning

THe lightning that Zeus throws out of his hands is not natural lightning. It's too slow and the color isn't really right either.

the winner of match 4 is kefka and kain. by a vote 4 to 2

100 :P

edit

Actually, Kratos throws Zeus' bolts pretty fast.