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These two teams are my two favorite elite military groups in movie-dom. Let's put them against each other in a couple of battle scenarios. Both teams are allowed everything they showed in there respective film. This includes heavy guns, assault rifles, handguns, grenades, traps, mines, nightvision, and knives.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/d3/TOTS_MISC.jpg
U.S. Navy Seals (Tears of the Sun)
*LT. Waters
*Red
*Zee
*Slo
*Silk
*Doc
*Flea

http://www.imfdb.org/images/b/bd/PredatorM134handheld-10.jpg
U.S. Army Special Forces (Predator)
*Dutch
*Dillon
*Mac
*Blain
*Poncho
*Billy
*Hawkins

Things to Consider
*The Seals are more of a stealth team. They have two snipers. They could be seen as ninjas. They try to take you out without your knowing.
*The Special Forces are more of cigar in mouth badasses like the Spartans. But as shown in the film they can do stealth. They let you know they're there then proceed to attack.
*Both teams had an incredibly difficult task in there films. Both accomplished there mission. Albeit to varying degrees of sucess.

Battle Scenarios
1. Both squads are dropped on the opposite side of the jungle and are assigned to wipe the other team out.
2. The Special Forces unit takes the TotS mission. They must bring back Dr. Kendricks alive and any nuns/priests that agree to go. They get roughly 30 Africans along the way and must get them to safety as best as possible.
3. The Navy Seals are in the jungle of Guatemala. Jungle Hunter starts to pick them apart. Can they suceed in staying alive?
4. Overall, who is the more elite team? Which team can do more things? Which of the two squads would you want escorting you throughout the jungle?

i haen't seen either films what are their indivual feats

Well..........you haven't seen Predator. I can understand you not seeing TotS, but Predator?

never able to find it

Originally posted by Darth Martin
These two teams are my two favorite elite military groups in movie-dom. Let's put them against each other in a couple of battle scenarios. Both teams are allowed everything they showed in there respective film. This includes heavy guns, assault rifles, handguns, grenades, traps, mines, nightvision, and knives.

http://www.imfdb.org/images/d/d3/TOTS_MISC.jpg
U.S. Navy Seals (Tears of the Sun)
*LT. Waters
*Red
*Zee
*Slo
*Silk
*Doc
*Flea

http://www.imfdb.org/images/b/bd/PredatorM134handheld-10.jpg
U.S. Army Special Forces (Predator)
*Dutch
*Dillon
*Mac
*Blain
*Poncho
*Billy
*Hawkins

Things to Consider
*The Seals are more of a stealth team. They have two snipers. They could be seen as ninjas. They try to take you out without your knowing.
*The Special Forces are more of cigar in mouth badasses like the Spartans. But as shown in the film they can do stealth. They let you know they're there then proceed to attack.
*Both teams had an incredibly difficult task in there films. Both accomplished there mission. Albeit to varying degrees of sucess.

Battle Scenarios
1. Both squads are dropped on the opposite side of the jungle and are assigned to wipe the other team out.
2. The Special Forces unit takes the TotS mission. They must bring back Dr. Kendricks alive and any nuns/priests that agree to go. They get roughly 30 Africans along the way and must get them to safety as best as possible.
3. The Navy Seals are in the jungle of Guatemala. Jungle Hunter starts to pick them apart. Can they suceed in staying alive?
4. Overall, who is the more elite team? Which team can do more things? Which of the two squads would you want escorting you throughout the jungle?

1. SEALS. Their stealth pwns Dutch and his boys.

2. I'm betting they pull it off. They are special forces after all, and Dutch seemed to have a heart, he seems like the type who would value Lena's life more than his own. I think Dutch would actually accept it far easier than LT did.

3. Yes. And if it came down to one man against the Pred, I think it'd be Red.

4.SEALS. No contest.

3.

1. Stealth will play a factor. But if the fight starts in the sunlight then it'll be a minor one. Individually, the SF's are better. I'd say the Seals displayed better teamwork.
2. The SF romp. They fare much better than the Seals with the exception of parts in need of a sniper.
3. What's so special about Red? Individually, the SF's were impressive. Not sure if LT's in the same caliber of Dutch.
4. I'd probably have to say the Seals are the more versatile unit as of now.

Did it say in the movie what kind of Special Forces unit Dutch's team was....were they Green Beret's, Delta Force?

Originally posted by Darth Martin
1. Stealth will play a factor. But if the fight starts in the sunlight then it'll be a minor one. Individually, the SF's are better. I'd say the Seals displayed better teamwork.
2. The SF romp. They fare much better than the Seals with the exception of parts in need of a sniper.
3. What's so special about Red? Individually, the SF's were impressive. Not sure if LT's in the same caliber of Dutch.
4. I'd probably have to say the Seals are the more versatile unit as of now. Red struck me as the most badass of the SEALS.

Individually, the Seals don't compare to Dutch's team.

Dutch, Billy, Blain, and Mac would solo masses.

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Individually, the Seals don't compare to Dutch's team.

Dutch, Billy, Blain, and Mac would solo masses. Individually, no, they dont, but the SEALS are a better team. Teamwork, dude.

But you said Red is the man to take the Yautja on. Where do you think he ranks as a soldier on rosters of both squads in order taking in everything including gun handling, marksmanship, tactics, H2H, and body build?

Well, at the end of TOTS, the rest of the SEALS were all spent, but Red was still going almost full speed. Until he got shot lol.

He looked pretty efficient with a mahcine gun, with a pistol, dunno about h2h.

This is the order I see them in.

1. Dutch
2. Billy
3. Mac
4. Poncho
5. Blain
6. L.T.
7. Zee
8. Red
9. Doc
10. Lake
11. Slo
12. Silk
13. Flea
14. Dillon
15. Hawkins

Hawkins sucked ass.

Mini Gun for the win.

Do both teams get a Sniper? I don't think one team is going to have an advantage in stealth. Both teams are going to employ stealth seeing as it's how they're trained.

Dutch's team has no sniper, SEALS do, SEALS pwn.

Well technically, all you need is a scope. Flea didn't havbe a sniper rifle, he had a scope. Silk was the only one with a snipers rifle.

The SF's have advantages in weapons as well. They have far more explosives, minigun, and a 6-shot grenade launcher.

yeah, if Dutchs team has a Sniper rifle as well then i'd side with them otherwise the lack of a Sniper rifle is to big. Although...,Dutch was able to locate and injure an invisible alien sniper who had a plasma canon. So, that might factor in here.

Unless the sniper is far away(hundreds of yards) Dutch's team will spot them. Dutch and Billy were constantly thinking something was following them as soon as they landed.

Well that's the idea behind sniping, to not be seen.

yeah, i forgot about billys indian ability

How is that gonna help him? He gonna sense the bullet before it tears his head off?

No. But he and other members of the team would notice a sniper hiding.

In the thick ass jungle? Get real, they'd lose two or three guys before they realized there WAS a sniper.

Simply because you're talking about real things that the both entail when you what to consider... the Seals win on experience of LT alone. Not to mention their snipers are flawless. A little bit less than to a Delta sniper which is top grade no other higher. The seals also win because they're led better as a team and unit.

That, and the fact that the SEALS specialize in stealth. They are better in almost every way.

Now you got it twisted. The Seals dont specialize in stealth lol. They are wannabe Rangers, it's just that the Seals are the Navys Rangers. It's simple as that. But yes for once I agree with you and the Seals win easily.

Opinion I guess?

Umm no, its fact. Straight fact. I know both sides very well. And people from both.

So from what I gather, your opinion is that Army Rangers>Navy SEALs?

Sir its not an opinion. And yes.

Have you trained with both? On what do you base this?

The Navy Seals training is based off of Army Ranger training. The Army Rangers have Four Phases of training and are specialized in every form of environment and most battle scenarios. Rangers have also previous things to go with their credentials besides just being rangers. They are either airborne, cav, zappers, ect ect. You could say I have trained with Rangers since both of my brothers are Airborne Rangers. Seals however are specialized in most water scenarios, and some most environments to most scenarios except they arent as trained as well as the Rangers. When they say Airborne Rangers lead the way all the way. They arent joking. In real life scenarios the rangers are the most called upon group in the world. Though they arent as prestigious or as bad ass as Delta or the CIA Attatchment group they are lethal in every sense of the word. The Marines Force Recon however are tip to tap with the Rangers if not SLIGHTLY better and thats only because they are very Selective who gets to be Force Recon and who doesnt.

Originally posted by Kaibs
Umm no, its fact. Straight fact. I know both sides very well. And people from both. Stuffing feathers in your butt does not make you a chicken.

You obviously know nothing of what i am talking about. It's best to just shut your mouth and move on to something you actually know about. This isnt talking about movies. So dont step into realms of things you have no god damn idea about.

Dude, relax, I am just jackin with you. Fight Club.

Just seems thatt you would post some sort of evidence to back up your claim. We're supposed to take your word on it?

FTW:

http://www.specwarops.com/html/Training.html

Navy SEALs (Sea, Air, Land) take their name from the elements in, and from which, they operate. Their stealth and clandestine methods of operation allow them to conduct multiple missions against targets that larger forces cannot approach undetected.

Dooooooooooooo......


http://www.baseops.net/militarybooks/armyranger.html

Rangers specialize in rapid infantry assault, night fighting and airfield seizure. The Rangers are trained to infiltrate and exit by air, land or sea and have the capability to conduct conventional or special light-infantry operations.

Oh my:

http://justarticles.net/Art/30030/203/Navy-SEALs-vs-Army-Rangers-Differences-Similarities.html

Rangers operate in platoon sized or larger units and are capable of handling direct action missions while Navy SEALs operate in smaller teams and handle specialised covert operations.

Oooooooh dear:

http://www.usmilitary.com/navy-seals/

Navy SEAL teams are small and use stealth tactics to quickly subdue any opposition they meet. Their ability to strike from the sea gives them a unique edge over any other force.



Facts are fun!!!

I'd say Dutch's team is definitely more in their element than the Navy SEALs.

As for the SEAL vs RANGER debate, I'm coming to side with the Rangers in general, although ST6 is pretty badass, and comparison between elite Spec Ops groups usually don't go anywhere anyway.

The other thing is, we don't even know what SOF Dutch belongs to. For all we know he could be Delta or as I would think, something even more elite given his privileges (he is implied or said to be the best there is, he seems to have a choice of turning down his mission from higher command, and his team looks very much hand-picked by Dutch).

But back to the SOF debate: SAS> All

SAS pwns hard

LOL your website facts are funny buddy. You have no idea about what you're talking about. Your military website is right in saying that they're stealthy yes, as stealthy and as covert as the Rangers? Just once again proves u know nothing.

Wait a second, you said the SEALS did not specialize in stealth, I said they do, I merely proved they do. I never, not once, said real life SEALS are more stealthy than Rangers.

Funny, the MILITARY websites kinda imply it though. Your best defense is "You dont know what you're talking about." haermm

PROVE it. PROVE Rangers in the real world are more stealthy than real life SEALS.

Wait, lemme guess, "I know all about it, you know shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!" haermm

1. Both squads are dropped on the opposite side of the jungle and are assigned to wipe the other team out.

Ol' Painless (and if needed a"CONTACT!" barrage) end the TotS team.

2. The Special Forces unit takes the TotS mission. They must bring back Dr. Kendricks alive and any nuns/priests that agree to go. They get roughly 30 Africans along the way and must get them to safety as best as possible.

Again, Ol' Painless puts some real hurting, and I'm pretty sure it had incendiary rounds as well, so that platoon of 30 men gets mowed down. They are also helped by having a strong man who can lift trucks. They are stealth experts as well. Dutch also killed a guy instantly with a knife throw. I believe the entire reason Mac and the CIA wanted Dutch was because his team were great at taking on large forces ("We needed someone who can crack these bastards"

3. The Navy Seals are in the jungle of Guatemala. Jungle Hunter starts to pick them apart. Can they suceed in staying alive?

I doubt it.

4. Overall, who is the more elite team? Which team can do more things? Which of the two squads would you want escorting you throughout the jungle?

Quite honestly, I'm going to say Dutch's team. The SEALS had an electronic tracker, whereas Billy was mentally reconstructing event scenarios based off blades of grass. And Mac's accolade of them being the best is helped by the fact that a military general agreed to go along with the ruse to get them there.

LT's crew had a sniper, He rapes. Plus they had better feats.

The SEALs had better equipment, but Dutch's crew were better skilled. Billy could track and navigate easier than Kevin James can eat. Blaine no-sold a bullet wound to the arm and has a minigun which shoots incendiary rounds.

Also should be noted that jungle/guerrilla warfare may be the Navy SEAL's skill, but it is Dutch's Team's bread and butter. Note that their first trap only failed because it got tripped prematurely by a pig, and the second trap worked, and only failed because the Predator blasted out of it. Dutch was setting up excellent traps against the Predator as well, and even managed to ambush it with the explosive arrows (which he improvised). The SEAL Team never improvised like that or shown such proficiency at jungle warfare and hunting.

Dutch's team is more elite via screenfeats. The only thing LT has is a sniper.

Originally posted by Lestov16
The SEALs had better equipment, but Dutch's crew were better skilled. Billy could track and navigate easier than Kevin James can eat. Blaine no-sold a bullet wound to the arm and has a minigun which shoots incendiary rounds.

Also should be noted that jungle/guerrilla warfare may be the Navy SEAL's skill, but it is Dutch's Team's bread and butter. Note that their first trap only failed because it got tripped prematurely by a pig, and the second trap worked, and only failed because the Predator blasted out of it. Dutch was setting up excellent traps against the Predator as well, and even managed to ambush it with the explosive arrows (which he improvised). The SEAL Team never improvised like that or shown such proficiency at jungle warfare and hunting.

Dutch's team is more elite via screenfeats. The only thing LT has is a sniper.

You're wrong about the reason the 1st trap didn't work. It failed cuz Dutch didn't realise that the Pred used the trees yet. Had the boar not come thru it still would have failed. The rest tho

My apologies. You're right. Still, I do feel that Dutch's team were more elite and skilled.

Originally posted by Lestov16
The SEALs had better equipment, but Dutch's crew were better skilled. Billy could track and navigate easier than Kevin James can eat. Blaine no-sold a bullet wound to the arm and has a minigun which shoots incendiary rounds.

Also should be noted that jungle/guerrilla warfare may be the Navy SEAL's skill, but it is Dutch's Team's bread and butter. Note that their first trap only failed because it got tripped prematurely by a pig, and the second trap worked, and only failed because the Predator blasted out of it. Dutch was setting up excellent traps against the Predator as well, and even managed to ambush it with the explosive arrows (which he improvised). The SEAL Team never improvised like that or shown such proficiency at jungle warfare and hunting.

Dutch's team is more elite via screenfeats. The only thing LT has is a sniper. No. Let's compare village raid feats. Dutch's team raided a village and had to go in guns blazing. LT's team did it right under the noses of the enemy. Stealth advantage goes to the SEAL's. And yes, this is a huge advantage. So is the sniper. Silk can pick Dutch's team off one by one from hundreds of yards away.

Seriously, what can Dutch's team do when Silk starts sniping them? If they stick their heads out they'll be killed. As Silk snipes, LT and crew sneak around behind Dutch and crew and finish them off.

As far as stealth goes, did you forget when Dutch's team infiltrated the compound, Blaine avoiding tripwires and such, and swiping the guys on the guard towers? Dutch's team displayed about the same stealth (if not more, considering how they managed to actually trap an extraterrestrial) as L.Ts. I don't even think the Nigerian rebels were at the Doctor's camp when L.T. got there. It was only after they left that the bad guys came and destroyed it.

A sniper is the only advantage L.T and his crew have. even if L.T's crew wins, it will be solely because of the sniper (provided Silk doesn't get hit with a "CONTACT!!!" barrage of bullets which flattened a quarter of the jungle).

Lieutenant A.K. Waters is a covert name McClane uses when he's vacationing.

Bullshit. Everybody knows his covert name is "Frank Moses", the most badass Bruce Willis character ever.

He has more than one alias.

As long as it's not "Hudson Hawk"