Okay, so there's this film

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lord xyz
It starts out with a socially awkward guy who is in love with a girl who doesn't like him back.

He sees some action toys that he gets that turn to life and are awesome.

These toys have their own back story and bring out humour and action, and are essentially, the film.

Somehow the military get involved.

Through out the film, other side characters get involved including the girl. The boy saves her, and they end up going out with eachother.

Sound familiar?

Yes, it's that 90s film Small Soldiers.

http://img.maniadb.com/images/album/154/154718_1_f.jpg

That was a good film, wasn't it?

Now, lets replace the soldiers with transformers (to add nostalgia or some shit), turn it into something that's come out of Hollywood's vagina, throw up on it, then spray glitter over it.

You get Transformers 1.

http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/files/2009/07/transformers.jpg

Honestly, I thought that all the way through the film, until towards the end when it started saying some transformers shit I couldn't understand, and the very beginning.

At one point I thought I was watching Small Soldiers, but a very bad version of it.

I don't even need to watch the second one to know it's bad. Transformers 1 was one of the worst films I ever saw.

Scythe
Oh shi-!

Sadako of Girth
Bless you XYZ.

I knew this day would come.

You are now within the circle of trust. lolz

lord xyz
I was surprised no one pointed it out earlier.

And I don't just mean KMC.

Sadako of Girth
Ive made comparisons between BayTFs and other movies, but this is the most rightfully derogatorial-yet accurate example Ive seen yet.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Ive made comparisons between BayTFs and other movies, but this is the most rightfully derogatorial-yet accurate example Ive seen yet. Sounds like Bay's pulling a George Lucas.

Scythe
Haha, this thread's hilarious!

roughrider
Originally posted by lord xyz
It starts out with a socially awkward guy who is in love with a girl who doesn't like him back.

He sees some action toys that he gets that turn to life and are awesome.

These toys have their own back story and bring out humour and action, and are essentially, the film.

Somehow the military get involved.

Through out the film, other side characters get involved including the girl. The boy saves her, and they end up going out with eachother.

Sound familiar?

Yes, it's that 90s film Small Soldiers.

http://img.maniadb.com/images/album/154/154718_1_f.jpg

That was a good film, wasn't it?

Now, lets replace the soldiers with transformers (to add nostalgia or some shit), turn it into something that's come out of Hollywood's vagina, throw up on it, then spray glitter over it.

You get Transformers 1.

http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/files/2009/07/transformers.jpg

Honestly, I thought that all the way through the film, until towards the end when it started saying some transformers shit I couldn't understand, and the very beginning.

At one point I thought I was watching Small Soldiers, but a very bad version of it.

I don't even need to watch the second one to know it's bad. Transformers 1 was one of the worst films I ever saw.

Who cares?
Transformers came first in the 1980's. I can say Small Soldiers took inspiration from the cartoon first.

The two films have taken in over $1.5 billion worldwide, and we should get hung up over some forgotten film from the late 90's? (Incidently, that was also produced by Steven Spielberg.)

lord xyz
Originally posted by roughrider
Who cares?
Transformers came first in the 1980's. I can say Small Soldiers took inspiration from the cartoon first.

The two films have taken in over $1.5 billion worldwide, and we should get hung up over some forgotten film from the late 90's? (Incidently, that was also produced by Steven Spielberg.) Warning!

Rabid fan alert!

The point is, it's the same film with transformers slapped all over it and it coming out of Hollywood's vagina.

LOL That car is 50 year old virgin. LOL

Even the Small Soldiers IMDB recommends you watch Transformers. And Transformers recommends you watch Independence Day...

Also, Small Soldiers wasn't produced by Spielberg.

roughrider
Originally posted by lord xyz
Warning!

Rabid fan alert!

The point is, it's the same film with transformers slapped all over it and it coming out of Hollywood's vagina.

LOL That car is 50 year old virgin. LOL

Even the Small Soldiers IMDB recommends you watch Transformers. And Transformers recommends you watch Independence Day...

Also, Small Soldiers wasn't produced by Spielberg.

Yes it was. It was one of DreamWorks earliest films, released together with Universal as I recall. Spielberg often worked with director Joe Dante (Gremlins, Gremlins 2, Twilight Zone.)

lord xyz
Originally posted by roughrider
Yes it was. It was one of DreamWorks earliest films, released together with Universal as I recall. Spielberg often worked with director Joe Dante (Gremlins, Gremlins 2, Twilight Zone.) It's produced by Michael Finnell and
Colin Wilson.

roughrider
Originally posted by lord xyz
It's produced by Michael Finnell and
Colin Wilson.

Steven Spielberg IS DreamWorks Pictures.
DreamWorks Animation, you think more of Jeffrey Katzenberg.
DreamWorks music, you look to David Geffen.

Joe Dante directed Small Soldiers because Steven Spielberg hired him to.

I'll say it again - so what?

To say Transformers ripped off Small Soldiers, as another example of Hollywood just ripping off other properties and slapping new labels on them...

They did rip something off, though. It's called - TRANSFORMERS TOYS by Hasbro. stick out tongue Plus the ideas fleshed out by the animated show.

So they borrowed a few plot ideas from Small Soldiers - they also borrowed plot structure from Close Encounters Of The Third Kind( another Spielberg film), with the parallel stories about the Alien visitors being received by regular people(Sam/Roy Neary) while following the progress of the military & establishment to track them down and understand what's going on. They are up front about their inspirations in writing the script.

lord xyz
The point is how completely unoriginal and stupid this film is.

And this is supposedly the good one of the two.

roughrider
Originally posted by lord xyz
The point is how completely unoriginal and stupid this film is.

And this is supposedly the good one of the two.

No, the point is there is no point. You're bitching and just coming up with reasons not to like it. That's fine, but these particular reasons aren't valid ones.

They also borrowed some ideas from E.T. as well, in Sam's relationship with Bumblebee. But I don't care they did that.

Were films like the first Star Wars and The Matrix just a jumble of ripped off movies blended together, too? George Lucas always gave credit to Kurosawa's 'The Hidden Fortress' for a lot of the plot structure and character ideas; no one calls him a rip off artist for that.

Scythe
The Matrix felt like a huge rip-off of the bible to me, I think that was their intention.

Sadako of Girth
Irrespective of that, Roughrider, you miss the point. smile

The point is that Transformers had f*** all to do with the Transformers. It may as well havebeen called Small Soldiers.
BayTFs had more in common with Small soldiers than the thing it was based on/sharing a title with....transformers.

And that brown dudes species on the right in that pic looked more like G1 decepticons than Bay's versions do. stick out tongue

Sadako of Girth
Originally posted by Scythe
The Matrix felt like a huge rip-off of the bible to me, I think that was their intention.

Fitting, since the Bible is a rip off of several older religions.

roughrider
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Irrespective of that, Roughrider, you miss the point. smile

The point is that Transformers had f*** all to do with the Transformers. It may as well havebeen called Small Soldiers.
BayTFs had more in common with Small soldiers than the thing it was based on/sharing a title with....transformers.

And that brown dudes species on the right in that pic looked more like G1 decepticons than Bay's versions do. stick out tongue

Transformers IS Transformers IS Transformers IS Transformers.

It's only the whiny haters here who cry in their milk if everything isn't EXACTLY done as it was done back in the 1980's. It's pathetic to complain so much. Small Soldiers is an incidental film in history; if things were ripped off so much there would have been a court case done by the writers already, and it's never happened. So shove the conspiracy theory.

Scythe
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Fitting, since the Bible is a rip off of several older religions.

Haha

Sadako of Girth
Originally posted by roughrider
Transformers IS Transformers IS Transformers IS Transformers.

It's only the whiny haters here who cry in their milk if everything isn't EXACTLY done as it was done back in the 1980's. It's pathetic to complain so much. Small Soldiers is an incidental film in history; if things were ripped off so much there would have been a court case done by the writers already, and it's never happened. So shove the conspiracy theory.

"Its only the whiney haters that cry in their milk when someone had an objection to anything bay did ever" would be a similarly fair argument.
(IE totally unfair and stupidly over reductionist)

No one is saying they would want it to be slavishly 1984tastic...

Just that it be faithful to the basics even.

But nooooooooooooooooo.

Some folk'll just put up with Non Biological entities then being biological entities when it suits them, no-mass shifting then mass shifting when it suits bay, not even bothering to get characters right or even finishing what happens to them in a movie, misnaming others, instead of showing transformers we now have teen dating problems, terminators, matrix robot rejects and nanoswarms and loads of other non-TF shit onscreen instead etc.

And thats fine for some I guess.

But those people shouldnt be so quick to declare all critics as biased.
Sometimes great essences are doomed to be shit, when people who had no regard beyond negative ones for the subject matter at hand are allowed to make movies.

And I could have enjoyed a decent, contemporised TFs, but this was shit.

lord xyz
Originally posted by roughrider
No, the point is there is no point. You're bitching and just coming up with reasons not to like it. That's fine, but these particular reasons aren't valid ones.

They also borrowed some ideas from E.T. as well, in Sam's relationship with Bumblebee. But I don't care they did that.

Were films like the first Star Wars and The Matrix just a jumble of ripped off movies blended together, too? George Lucas always gave credit to Kurosawa's 'The Hidden Fortress' for a lot of the plot structure and character ideas; no one calls him a rip off artist for that. Well Star Wars was such a huge rip off, it was like a tribute.

Transformers 1, is Small Soldiers, with hollywood and shit glazed on top.

Sadako of Girth
And Star Wars was a great story with awesome characters, who on both dark and light sides were well fleshed out, the awesome music of John Williams, and truely original visual design..... unlike Bay TFs.

Mr. Rhythmic
Originally posted by lord xyz
It starts out with a socially awkward guy who is in love with a girl who doesn't like him back.

He sees some action toys that he gets that turn to life and are awesome.

These toys have their own back story and bring out humour and action, and are essentially, the film.

Somehow the military get involved.

Through out the film, other side characters get involved including the girl. The boy saves her, and they end up going out with eachother.

Sound familiar?

Yes, it's that 90s film Small Soldiers.

http://img.maniadb.com/images/album/154/154718_1_f.jpg

That was a good film, wasn't it?

Now, lets replace the soldiers with transformers (to add nostalgia or some shit), turn it into something that's come out of Hollywood's vagina, throw up on it, then spray glitter over it.

You get Transformers 1.

http://blogs.creativeloafing.com/dailyloaf/files/2009/07/transformers.jpg

Honestly, I thought that all the way through the film, until towards the end when it started saying some transformers shit I couldn't understand, and the very beginning.

At one point I thought I was watching Small Soldiers, but a very bad version of it.

I don't even need to watch the second one to know it's bad. Transformers 1 was one of the worst films I ever saw.

Even with that, it's still apples and oranges.

lord xyz
Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And Star Wars was a great story with awesome characters, who on both dark and light sides were well fleshed out, the awesome music of John Williams, and truely original visual design..... unlike Bay TFs. It was also never seen before.

Tansformers 1, was only seen cos OMG Transformers!!1 *fap fap fap*

Sadako of Girth
Yup. True, that.

lord xyz
Then again, Star Wars was seen cos of omg space, we love space.

Doctor-Alvis
Originally posted by lord xyz
I was surprised no one pointed it out earlier.

And I don't just mean KMC.
I don't think anyone pointed it out because they're both based on generic, stock story components. The boy/girl combo plus crazy, unbelievable event is a movie mainstay. I can relate the story to both Terminator 1 and Jumanji. My point? What did Van Pelt do to Alan that he's so afraid of him? It's fine and dandy that he has a gun and there's gotta be more than that.

lordmegatron1
Even though I'll regret this, that's totally agreeable.

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