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I'm curious as to who wins between these two.

Rockslide from New X-Men versus Wolverine from titles unknown.

No one?

They fight at the school grounds, start 10 feet apart.

rock slide can just keep reforming.

He can be kayoed. Colossus kayoed him in Utopia but not sure Logan has the power to pull that off.

did he KO him, I thought he just knocked him away. I mean colossu has hammered him to pieces and he reformed fight away.

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/8715/darkavengersutopia01002.jpg

but that kinda goes against 3 or so instances of him hititng rock slide and him reforming right away.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
but that kinda goes against 3 or so instances of him hititng rock slide and him reforming right away. When did Colossus hit him before that he knew he could reform?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
When did Colossus hit him before that he knew he could reform?
what? confused with this statement. colossus knows he can reform he even hit him so he would reform with stronger material before.

Isn't Rockslide still a noob? He'd probably be afraid of Wolverine.

But I mean, really, Wolverine only lasts against bricks because of his HF and adamantium claws. Against someone that can reform like that, how can he win? I doubt he can muster enough strength to KO Rockslide, either.

wolverine holds more advantages over rockslide then disadvantages. rock slides not that strong either for a brick.

Maybe all the reforming takes a small toll on his psionic essense and eventually he 'tires' to the point where he's KO'ed?

perhaps

Originally posted by Battlehammer
what? confused with this statement. colossus knows he can reform he even hit him so he would reform with stronger material before. You said Colossus his Rockslide and he reformed right away. When did he do this?

Originally posted by snoopdogg
You said Colossus his Rockslide and he reformed right away. When did he do this?

New X-men, against Nimrod, in Belasco's realm and then later at the institute.

that's when they found out that he's just a psionic field that gathers local materials to form a physical body.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
that's when they found out that he's just a psionic field that gathers local materials to form a physical body.

Looks like Wolverine gets taken down a notch mmm

Wolverine would win due to cis. Rockslide would be shitting him self.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
Wolverine would win due to cis. Rockslide would be shitting him self. I like how selectively Kris applies CIS to characters.

Originally posted by Creshosk
I like how selectively Kris applies CIS to characters.

Not fighting isn't an option here....

Originally posted by Creshosk
I like how selectively Kris applies CIS to characters.
true lol.

Originally posted by Master Court
I doubt he can muster enough strength to KO Rockslide, either. Wolverine once broke unbreakable chains.

BTW what is the weakest guy that can kayo Logan? Because Rockslide is Class 75.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wolverine once broke unbreakable chains.

BTW what is the weakest guy that can kayo Logan? Because Rockslide is Class 75.
twice actually




Rockslide that strong based on what? certainly not feats that for sure.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Wolverine once broke unbreakable chains.

BTW what is the weakest guy that can kayo Logan? Because Rockslide is Class 75.

Theoretically KO'ing Rockslide should be impossible. It was just very bad writing. It can't be a "pain" thing either, since he can detonate himself. The explosion is pretty powerful it seems, but Colossus could tank it with no issues. And regular humans can KO Wolverine, you know this buddy.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
twice actually




Rockslide that strong based on what? certainly not feats that for sure. He knocked WWHulk on his @ss.Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Theoretically KO'ing Rockslide should be impossible. It was just very bad writing. It can't be a "pain" thing either, since he can detonate himself. The explosion is pretty powerful it seems, but Colossus could tank it with no issues. And regular humans can KO Wolverine, you know this buddy. Logan kayoed by a human? Nonsense.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He knocked WWHulk on his @ss. Logan kayoed by a human? Nonsense.

Human strength.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He knocked WWHulk on his @ss. Logan kayoed by a human? Nonsense.
really I dont recall that?

that does not make him 75 tons espcially one feat, whats his best lifting feat? Hell capt dropped Hulk before with punches.......

yes it is nonsenses without out side circumstances, but of course kris knowledge on wolverine and what he believes wolverine powerlevel is at is far below what it trully is.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
really I dont recall that?

that does not make him 75 tons espcially one feat, whats his best lifting feat? Hell capt dropped Hulk before with punches....... Didn't he beat down Donald Pierce?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Human strength. ??

Originally posted by snoopdogg
??

Wolverine has been knocked out by human strength many times. You don't need superhuman strength to knock him out. It's just much easier if you don't have any martial arts skills.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Didn't he beat down Donald Pierce?
I think that werewolf guy did and donald pierce was written like a clown in that issue far below his normal levels, even to the point of pis.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
??
not surprized coming from him.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Wolverine has been knocked out by human strength many times. You don't need superhuman strength to knock him out. It's just much easier if you don't have any martial arts skills. You have scans of this? I gotta see these man.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Wolverine has been knocked out by human strength many times. You don't need superhuman strength to knock him out. It's just much easier if you don't have any martial arts skills.

Scan or issue number plz.

can't wait to see these, if they come at all. I bet the context will not be posted and will be ignored completely.

Originally posted by The Nuul
??
Originally posted by snoopdogg
You have scans of this? I gotta see these man.

Mister X? No Superhuman strength there.

I just had to click on the ignore botton to see. Mister X? lol yup ignoring context of courses, Logan did not fight an army before and then three meta human, and get stated to been blown up shot, stabed ect.

I assume that if Wolverine stands there anyone class 20 or higher should be able to knock him out with enough strikes. it will take a long time though and the amount will get hsorter as strength goes up.

just my asumption

It sure was PIS, until we learned it all was a part of Bastion's plan.
BTW, what did they do to him later? Put him back in the cell?

P.S. Shingen KOed Wolverine...

Originally posted by jalek moye
I assume that if Wolverine stands there anyone class 20 or higher should be able to knock him out with enough strikes. it will take a long time though and the amount will get hsorter as strength goes up.

just my asumption

You think it would be impossible for Spidey to knock out Wolverine?

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
You think it would be impossible for Spidey to knock out Wolverine?
no but i was talking in reasonable amount of time.

with only punches it would take too long to matter, although his speed my make it somewhat quicker then other his strength. he would be better hitting him with objects mixed in. I meant purely just punching

Originally posted by jalek moye
no but i was talking in reasonable amount of time.

with only punches it would take too long to matter, although his speed my make it somewhat quicker then other his strength. he would be better hitting him with objects mixed in. I meant purely just punching

Yeah, you need superstrength if you're going to knock out Wolverine by simply punching him in the cheek over and over. The better martial artists in Marvel can do it with regular human strength. Same with speedsters like Northstar.

Originally posted by Survivor19
P.S. Shingen KOed Wolverine...
That was while Wolverine was poisoned, and Shingen was using a wooden sword to get nerve strikes. Not to mention that Wolverine's healing factor and durability are much better now than it was then.

Wolverine wins if Rockslide is limited to how many times he can reform.

I actually think Rockslide can win.

He probably could get a couple of wins.

Cap KO'd Wolverine when The Hand brain-washed Logan into going on a kill crazy rampage. I think it's hard for a normal person to KO Logan purely because of the adamantium skull and their fist would break on impact, but Logan's brain is still as durable as the average human's. Get a durable enough weapon; he's well within KO range for average human strength.

As for Rockslide pushing WWHulk. That's Rockslide's strength versus Hulk's weight, weight dispersion, footing, and traction. Not a strength feat by any means.

If Rockslide can reform as much as he wants, it's either an indefinite stalemate, or he eventually KO's Logan. Or, I suppose Rockslide could just get exhausted and pass out, or maybe become more vulnerable in some way.

Originally posted by Master Court
Cap KO'd Wolverine when The Hand brain-washed Logan into going on a kill crazy rampage. I think it's hard for a normal person to KO Logan purely because of the adamantium skull and their fist would break on impact, but Logan's brain is still as durable as the average human's. Get a durable enough weapon; he's well within KO range for average human strength.


That was after Wolverine had been blasted by Rachel, crashed the X-Jet, been hit by Kitty Pryde in the head with a log, blasted in the back of the head by Cyclops, and stated that he had never been such a mess. He was not knocked out by Cap alone.

Originally posted by Survivor19
P.S. Shingen KOed Wolverine...
after poisoning him lol again circumstances.

Originally posted by Master Court
Cap KO'd Wolverine when The Hand brain-washed Logan into going on a kill crazy rampage. I think it's hard for a normal person to KO Logan purely because of the adamantium skull and their fist would break on impact, but Logan's brain is still as durable as the average human's. Get a durable enough weapon; he's well within KO range for average human strength.

As for Rockslide pushing WWHulk. That's Rockslide's strength versus Hulk's weight, weight dispersion, footing, and traction. Not a strength feat by any means.

If Rockslide can reform as much as he wants, it's either an indefinite stalemate, or he eventually KO's Logan. Or, I suppose Rockslide could just get exhausted and pass out, or maybe become more vulnerable in some way.

durabilty isn't even neccessary, WWH even stated it when he KOed Wolverine you just have to hit him hard enough that his brain bangs against the inner skull and everyone who is strong enough to lift up a car can do this (I'm not saying everyone who can lift a car WILL KO him just that these peole are ABLE to do so)

Originally posted by Master Court
Cap KO'd Wolverine when The Hand brain-washed Logan into going on a kill crazy rampage. I think it's hard for a normal person to KO Logan purely because of the adamantium skull and their fist would break on impact, but Logan's brain is still as durable as the average human's. Get a durable enough weapon; he's well within KO range for average human strength.

Does anyone understand circumstances? Why when something brought up negative about wolverine that context is completely ignored. Capt KO Wolverine after wolverine stated he had never been so messed up in his life, but lets ignore context shall we.


No it hard to KO wolverine becuase as soon as damage is being amde his body is already healing it.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
durabilty isn't even neccessary, WWH even stated it when he KOed Wolverine you just have to hit him hard enough that his brain bangs against the inner skull and everyone who is strong enough to lift up a car can do this (I'm not saying everyone who can lift a car WILL KO him just that these peole are ABLE to do so)

If Logan sits there and lets them repeatedly hit him in the head which is unlikely.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
durabilty isn't even neccessary, WWH even stated it when he KOed Wolverine you just have to hit him hard enough that his brain bangs against the inner skull and everyone who is strong enough to lift up a car can do this (I'm not saying everyone who can lift a car WILL KO him just that these peole are ABLE to do so)

Spidey's broken his hand on adamantium cheekbone. Just saying.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
If Logan sits there and lets them repeatedly hit him in the head which is unlikely.

Never said that, just that they're ABLE to do so of course most of 'em fail by that fact that Wolverine stabs them before they succeed

Originally posted by Ize19
That was after Wolverine had been blasted by Rachel, crashed the X-Jet, been hit by Kitty Pryde in the head with a log, blasted in the back of the head by Cyclops, and stated that he had never been such a mess. He was not knocked out by Cap alone.

And Storm manipulated the temperature.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Spidey's broken his hand on adamantium cheekbone. Just saying.

Spidey could make a webbing boxing glove like he did in his encounter with tombstone it depends on the force of impact not how hard the object is that hits him, if that would be the case wolverine would be invulnable cause his skull is made of adamantium.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Spidey could make a webbing boxing glove like he did in his encounter with tombstone it depends on the force of impact not how hard the object is that hits him, if that would be the case wolverine would be invulnable cause his skull is made of adamantium.

Good thing that he's a brainless babbling idiot who made a deal with the devil and retconned himself. I wouldn't be surprised if the webbing gloves were retconned as well

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Good thing that he's a brainless babbling idiot who made a deal with the devil and retconned himself. I wouldn't be surprised if the webbing gloves were retconned as well

Do I detect negative emotional waves against spiderman?

EDIT: btw do you think Marvel retconned the whole time or just altered the events? I mean the Maximum Carnage Saga and the clone saga would be retconned to nothingness and if we keep in mind that Ben Riley is a factor in the current Spiderman run it would make more sense that it was altered

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Do I detect negative emotional waves against spiderman?

EDIT: btw do you think Marvel retconned the whole time or just altered the events? I mean the Maximum Carnage Saga and the clone saga would be retconned to nothingness and if we keep in mind that Ben Riley is a factor in the current Spiderman run it would make more sense that it was altered

Yeah

Big events couldn't be erased like that from continuity. So yes, I believe they were altered. One thing's for sure, Quesada has a lot of explaining to do... for example what happened to organic webbing and "Other" upgrades.

They never happen becuase MJ play such a role in them.

Originally posted by Parmaniac
Never said that, just that they're ABLE to do so of course most of 'em fail by that fact that Wolverine stabs them before they succeed is that why they're unable when they try? Or can spiderman and hulk not lift cars outside of WWH?

Originally posted by Ize19
That was after Wolverine had been blasted by Rachel, crashed the X-Jet, been hit by Kitty Pryde in the head with a log, blasted in the back of the head by Cyclops, and stated that he had never been such a mess. He was not knocked out by Cap alone.

Doesn't make a difference. Cap knocked him out. That's all that matters in this argument. It doesn't matter how the rest of that damage was done. Damage to the body is the same regardless of the device, power, or force used to do it. A broken rib is a broken rib, and a KO is a KO. That Wolverine was knocked out at all with non-super-human strength is the point.


Originally posted by Battlehammer
Does anyone understand circumstances? Why when something brought up negative about wolverine that context is completely ignored. Capt KO Wolverine after wolverine stated he had never been so messed up in his life, but lets ignore context shall we.


No it hard to KO wolverine becuase as soon as damage is being amde his body is already healing it.

Being unconscious is not brain damage, even if sometimes brain damage is co-incurred and results in unconsciousness. In the most common KO's, like those in a boxing max, it's just the "shock" to the brain that KO's someone. Damage has nothing to do with it. It's purely force. Fatigue, oxygen deprivation, low blood circulation, and blood loss can contribute to the ease of KO'ing someone, as they all affect the brain, and they can also weaken someone's performance and ability to defend themselves or even brace for a hit, but a KO can easily be one swift uppercut to the chin on a completely unharmed and prepared man. Wolverine does not have superhuman durability. The adamantium laces his bones and doesn't protect anything more than the bones themselves do. His brain is the same as any normal human's in durability. One punch can KO him as much as any man. With a weapon if need be. The argument is purely that it's within a normal man's ability to KO Logan with physical melee blunt force with nothing more than something that can handle the impact against the adamantium. Like a baseball bat, Cap's shield, a reasonably sized rock...

So, circumstance and context are irrelevant?

Originally posted by Master Court
Doesn't make a difference. Cap knocked him out. That's all that matters in this argument. It doesn't matter how the rest of that damage was done. Damage to the body is the same regardless of the device, power, or force used to do it. A broken rib is a broken rib, and a KO is a KO. That Wolverine was knocked out at all with non-super-human strength is the point.




Being unconscious is not brain damage, even if sometimes brain damage is co-incurred and results in unconsciousness. In the most common KO's, like those in a boxing max, it's just the "shock" to the brain that KO's someone. Damage has nothing to do with it. It's purely force. Fatigue, oxygen deprivation, low blood circulation, and blood loss can contribute to the ease of KO'ing someone, as they all affect the brain, and they can also weaken someone's performance and ability to defend themselves or even brace for a hit, but a KO can easily be one swift uppercut to the chin on a completely unharmed and prepared man. Wolverine does not have superhuman durability. The adamantium laces his bones and doesn't protect anything more than the bones themselves do. His brain is the same as any normal human's in durability. One punch can KO him as much as any man. With a weapon if need be. The argument is purely that it's within a normal man's ability to KO Logan with physical melee blunt force with nothing more than something that can handle the impact against the adamantium. Like a baseball bat, Cap's shield, a reasonably sized rock...

No, it matters, because Captain America's human level strength did not knock him out. Being blasted by Rachel, crashing an airplane, having the temperature lowered, being hit with a log in the back of the head, getting hit with one of Cyclops blasts in the back of the head, and being in the worst shape he's ever been in, PLUS Captain America's human level strength hitting him in the back of the head with an unbreakable object knocked him out. Saying anything else is lying.

Originally posted by Master Court
Doesn't make a difference. Cap knocked him out. That's all that matters in this argument. It doesn't matter how the rest of that damage was done. Damage to the body is the same regardless of the device, power, or force used to do it. A broken rib is a broken rib, and a KO is a KO. That Wolverine was knocked out at all with non-super-human strength is the point.




Being unconscious is not brain damage, even if sometimes brain damage is co-incurred and results in unconsciousness. In the most common KO's, like those in a boxing max, it's just the "shock" to the brain that KO's someone. Damage has nothing to do with it. It's purely force. Fatigue, oxygen deprivation, low blood circulation, and blood loss can contribute to the ease of KO'ing someone, as they all affect the brain, and they can also weaken someone's performance and ability to defend themselves or even brace for a hit, but a KO can easily be one swift uppercut to the chin on a completely unharmed and prepared man. Wolverine does not have superhuman durability. The adamantium laces his bones and doesn't protect anything more than the bones themselves do. His brain is the same as any normal human's in durability. One punch can KO him as much as any man. With a weapon if need be. The argument is purely that it's within a normal man's ability to KO Logan with physical melee blunt force with nothing more than something that can handle the impact against the adamantium. Like a baseball bat, Cap's shield, a reasonably sized rock...

r u seriously ignoring decades of history known comic facts and circumstances when u wrote this garbage?

Oh, for L. Ron's sake.

Cap finished him off. I'm not ignoring context. I'm saying it's clear Cap gave him the coupe de grace when he slammed his shield into the back of Logan's skull. That KO'd him. You think a child could do that just because he's got the shield? Cap's human strength with an object that can take the impact of Logan's skull. That's my point. And what difference does it make how he was worn down? Bodily damage is the same regardless of cause. Just because a super human blasts him doesn't mean "Oh, because it's super human it's going to work". Gorgon killed Wolverine without even using any powers, and Gorgon is otherwise completely human. I'm not saying any ol' average joe can or WILL KO him, but don't you think someone like Batman has a significant chance?

Originally posted by Master Court
Oh, for L. Ron's sake. Are you a scientologist?

Originally posted by Master Court
Cap finished him off. I'm not ignoring context. I'm saying it's clear Cap gave him the coupe de grace when he slammed his shield into the back of Logan's skull. That KO'd him. That would be ignoring context right there.

So all those other hits to the head... did nothing?

Lol, Context is gettin OWNED in this thread!

Originally posted by Master Court
Gorgon killed Wolverine without even using any powers

You know this...how?

Originally posted by Master Court
and Gorgon is otherwise completely human. I'm not saying any ol' average joe can or WILL KO him, but don't you think someone like Batman has a significant chance?

Except he has superhuman speed, strength, durability, telepathy, and eyes that turn you to stone. Three of those stated ON PANEL to exist, the other two showings through feats.

Please stop talking about characters you don't know.

Originally posted by Creshosk
Are you a scientologist?



Nah. It's a funny little cult, though, so I like using that rat-toothed psycho bastard's name in "vain". As if his name were worth a damn in the first place.

Originally posted by Creshosk

That would be ignoring context right there.

So all those other hits to the head... did nothing?

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm NOT ignoring context. NOT. N, O, T. I'm well aware of the beating he took from all the others. What I'm saying is, just because someone's a normal human doesn't mean they can't KO Logan for any reason. I realize I didn't put that point in quite the right words, but that's my point. Since Logan's brain is no more durable than any normal man's, the same such force would work to KO him as well. It's simply a matter of getting the right man for the job. Cap and his shield should do fine. Or Batman. Or Batgirl(Cassie)? What about Punisher? You're saying these guys can't possibly KO Logan, given the right weapon? Punisher's even KO'd Spider-Man before. Why can't he KO Wolverine?


Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Please stop talking about characters you don't know.

I'll say whatever the f*ck I want. Bottom line; Gorgon fought Wolverine entirely with his katana. Since Logan's skin is as durable as a normal man's, Gorgon's strength(which has never been disclosed mind you) would have nothing to do with the damage the sword did. And since Wolverine doesn't have super-human speed, the attacks Gorgon landed wouldn't have needed to be super-fast either. In that particular fight, fighting skill was all that Gorgon needed, besides his own HF.

Originally posted by Master Court

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I'm NOT ignoring context. NOT. N, O, T. Telling lies doesn't make something true.

Because that other beating he took? Yeah.. don't ignore that again.

Originally posted by Master Court
What I'm saying is, just because someone's a normal human doesn't mean they can't KO Logan for any reason.

i don't really understand this.

without logan's prior beating, would cap have been "the right man for the job"?

you said logan's brain is no more durable, and that the same force would ko him (the same force it would take to ko a normal man?) that . . . doesn't make sense. wwh had to hit him hard many times to totally f*** logan up. imagine a normal brain being rattled against an adamantium skull. the brain would be liquified with a small contact from hulk, let alone still be functioning for several blows. clearly logan's brain is far MORE durable than a normal person's . . .

Originally posted by leonidas
i don't really understand this.

without logan's prior beating, would cap have been "the right man for the job"?

you said logan's brain is no more durable, and that the same force would ko him (the same force it would take to ko a normal man?) that . . . doesn't make sense. wwh had to hit him hard many times to totally f*** logan up. imagine a normal brain being rattled against an adamantium skull. the brain would be liquified with a small contact from hulk, let alone still be functioning for several blows. clearly logan's brain is far MORE durable than a normal person's . . . Considering just how many times this would be the case since he fight's a lot of bricks...

It's either that it heals more quickly(Including a reset from a KO), or it is more durable.

Spiderman has sat there and wailed on him. One time he even broke his fist punching wolveirne.

Originally posted by Master Court
Bottom line; Gorgon fought Wolverine entirely with his katana.



http://img204.imageshack.us/i/wolv30ffsxtvp019.jpg/
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Originally posted by Master Court
Since Logan's skin is as durable as a normal man's

Since when?

Originally posted by Master Court
Gorgon's strength(which has never been disclosed mind you)



http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9451/gorgonstrength.jpg

Originally posted by Master Court
would have nothing to do with the damage the sword did.

You mean a sword in your hands would cut just as deep as a sword in a 4 year old's hand hmm? Let's ignore the strength right? PS: You mean the sword, the pole, and the fists hmm?

Originally posted by Master Court
And since Wolverine doesn't have super-human speed, the attacks Gorgon landed wouldn't have needed to be super-fast either. In that particular fight, fighting skill was all that Gorgon needed, besides his own HF.

Other than Wolverine commenting "no one's that fast" and then again in their later fight commenting on his speed?

Oh and one more thing that I found funny:

Originally posted by Master Court
Gorgon killed Wolverine without even using any powers, and Gorgon is otherwise completely human. I'm not saying any ol' average joe can or WILL KO him, but don't you think someone like Batman has a significant chance?

Originally posted by Master Court
In that particular fight, fighting skill was all that Gorgon needed, besides his own HF.

So now that you've contradicted yourself, and that you've been presented hard proof that you're wrong and have no idea what the hell you're talking about, will you please read the comic books instead of wikipedia articles? Thanks.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~


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Since when?





http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/9451/gorgonstrength.jpg



You mean a sword in your hands would cut just as deep as a sword in a 4 year old's hand hmm? Let's ignore the strength right? PS: You mean the sword, the pole, and the fists hmm?



Other than Wolverine commenting "no one's that fast" and then again in their later fight commenting on his speed?

Oh and one more thing that I found funny:





So now that you've contradicted yourself, and that you've been presented hard proof that you're wrong and have no idea what the hell you're talking about, will you please read the comic books instead of wikipedia articles? Thanks.

We've got a live one here.


Look, genius, you've posted the wrong fight. Post the one where Gorgon killed Wolverine in the graveyard using the KATANA. Jackass.

The rest of your argument is crap. They mentioned Gorgon's strength? BFD. I simply didn't remember that. But I already said it wouldn't make a difference. A sword cuts through Wolverine the same as a normal man when wielded by a normal man. And, again, since Wolverine isn't super-fast, you don't have to be super-fast to cut him. I hope you understand now. Just read slowly.


Originally posted by Creshosk
Considering just how many times this would be the case since he fight's a lot of bricks...

It's either that it heals more quickly(Including a reset from a KO), or it is more durable.

Spiderman has sat there and wailed on him. One time he even broke his fist punching wolveirne.

Here's someone I can work with.

Didn't Daredevil KO Logan by cracking a barbell into his face?

My God. I've just fainted. If Battlehammer saw that BS, he'd have a heart attack...

Originally posted by Master Court
Here's someone I can work with.

Didn't Daredevil KO Logan by cracking a barbell into his face?

No, he didn't knock out Logan. Read the comic.


~~
Oh, and actually Cap has superhuman strength.

Originally posted by Master Court
And since Wolverine doesn't have super-human speed (...)

http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4103/palmverine.jpg

Epic fail. Wolverine DOES have superhuman speed.


Originally posted by srank, fixed links by me.

Speed of thought. A severely weakened, Wolverine shows Psylocke that his thought and action are one in the same.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_Page21.jpg

An actually number, Wolverine's reaction time is .038 seconds.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2273/weaponxfirstclass020021em4.jpg

Wolverine blitzes four bikers, killing them all simultaneously.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_FtaS_025.jpg

Faster than human eyes can follow.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3582/namortoofast2tw4.jpg

Again. Faster than the human eye can follow.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/855/fasterthaneyescanfollowpw5.jpg

Both Wolverine and Sabretooth are almost too fast for Psylocke to follow.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

Cyclops can't even track the Prime Sentinels, but Wolverine engages them in melee no problem.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3834/vnewsentinalfl6.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1060/vnewsentinal2sy1.jpg

He moves like lightning.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-38-30.jpg

Lightning reflexes.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-39-08.jpg

Nothing human could have moved that fast.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n31-p04-1.jpg

Impossible. No one can move that fast.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-06.jpg

A terrorists decides to take a shot at Wolverine from more than 20 feet away. The bullet grazes Wolverine's cheek and he speed blitzes his assailant, closing the ground between them instantly and severing the shooters arm.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8499/xmenv2133p03gm1.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6867/bulletsidestepkq1.jpg

Wolverine cuts a barrage of arrows out of the air... and his claws were still sheathed in his arms when the arrows were fired.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3575/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0nx6.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6679/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0vc8.jpg

Wolverine displays some superhuman speed, moving as a blur.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-07.jpg

Wolverine speed blitzes Domina, who herself was able to sole an group of X-Men

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_XM102pg21.jpg

Even Spider-man questions his speed in regards to Wolverine and wonders if Logan might be faster.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/SpidermanvsWolverine55.jpg

Wolverine is faster than Namor.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/n-24-14.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/n-24-15.jpg

The Weapon X Program wants to see how Wolverine fairs against a massive bear. He kills it before Hines can say "Four Minutes and twenty one seconds," too fast for the bear to even react.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_058.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_059.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_060.jpg

Wolverine blocks the barrel of a gun claws, after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet leaves the chamber.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p14-1.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p15-1.jpg

Wolverine slices a skintight suit of armor off Geist in the time it takes from him to say clean shave.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpg

Replicates the feat against Doc Sampson.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/892/samsonripdp5.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6002/samsonrip2od2.jpg

Wolverine speed blitzes some Danger Room robots. He lets go his his cigars, trashes the robots and then grabs his cigars before they can start to descend.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6633/twosecondstt9.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4643/twoseconds3cd9.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5056/twoseconds2sy3.jpg

Wolverine avoids the blows of a group of Martial artists skilled to kill with a single blow, during a ritual / write of passage.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7449/villlagetm0.jpg

Nightcrawler is knocked from his perch and before he can fall the 10-20 feet into the fire bellow, Wolverine cuts a large section out of the wall and catches him.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7726/elfcatchinlv7.jpg

With a blade inches from his head, Wolverine turns at the last moment and blocks the thrust. He engages his assailant... and does a second last second dodge, while already engaged in combat when a second one attacks him from behind.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-04.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-05.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-06.jpg

With a knife posed inches from his face, Wolverine punches his lunging attacker before the blade makes contact.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-109a-06.jpg

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Seriously dude, read some comics.

i got aggravated when i saw his post, foamed at the mouth..

Originally posted by Master Court
Look, genius, you've posted the wrong fight. Post the one where Gorgon killed Wolverine in the graveyard using the KATANA. Jackass.

If you had read the comic book, you would have known the only part of that fight is Gorgon stabbing Wolverine once, then everything is off-panel. So if you somehow have a psychic sense that makes you "forget" and "imagine" things, that tells you how the fight went although it was never shown, by all means, please .... scans?

Originally posted by Master Court
The rest of your argument is crap.

I refuted each of your points. Your reply is "umm well you're steeewpid!!!!". Come back here when you're done with 4th grade buddy.

Originally posted by Master Court
They mentioned Gorgon's strength? BFD.

It IS a BFD, seeing as how you insisted that Gorgon is just a regular human being who beat Wolverine due to martial skills, and that he has no superhuman stats. I give you a scan from the very comic book you keep quoting, and you go "BFD"... awesome.

Originally posted by Master Court
I simply didn't remember that. But I already said it wouldn't make a difference. A sword cuts through Wolverine the same as a normal man when wielded by a normal man.

Prove it. Since Gorgon HAS superstrength, and Wolverine DOES have above human durability, all of these proven by scans, then by all means...prove your (insane) claims.

Originally posted by Master Court
And, again, since Wolverine isn't super-fast, you don't have to be super-fast to cut him.

I believe Stiltman just provided you with even more scans proving opposite. So....any proof to YOUR claims?

Originally posted by Master Court
Gorgon is otherwise completely human

Originally posted by Master Court
Just read slowly.

Take your own advice, son.

Originally posted by Master Court
Look, genius, you've posted the wrong fight. Post the one where Gorgon killed Wolverine in the graveyard using the KATANA. Jackass.


Actually he got riddled with blades.

http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5231/wolverinevol322page06.th.jpg

Not to mention that in Guggenheim's arc it was revealed that Hand took away his soul via magic..

I reckon that Logan vs Rockslide is a stalemate

Originally posted by Master Court



Here's someone I can work with.

Didn't Daredevil KO Logan by cracking a barbell into his face? You've never actually read a wolverine comic. You just seen out of context scans posted by people..

No, I'm not asking any questions I'm stating the truth. This much is obvious because everything you've said about Wolverine thus far has been incorrect.

Originally posted by Creshosk
You've never actually read a wolverine comic. You just seen out of context scans posted by people..

No, I'm not asking any questions I'm stating the truth. This much is obvious because everything you've said about Wolverine thus far has been incorrect.



way to work with him cresh . . .

Originally posted by Creshosk
You've never actually read a wolverine comic. You just seen out of context scans posted by people..

No, I'm not asking any questions I'm stating the truth. This much is obvious because everything you've said about Wolverine thus far has been incorrect.

Co-signed.

What I find funny is that he once said Wolverine is one of his faves And yet he argues against him and pretends to know the character...

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW


Not to mention that in Guggenheim's arc it was revealed that Hand took away his soul via magic..

True but when he thought that wasnt taken into consideration.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW

What I find funny is that he once said Wolverine is one of his faves And yet he argues against him and pretends to know the character...

What the hell does arguing against someone have to do with liking them? Whether you like a character or not shouldn't have anything to do with who you think wins.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What the hell does arguing against someone have to do with liking them? Whether you like a character or not shouldn't have anything to do with who you think wins. While this is true, it becomes clear that such a statement was the kind of rhetoric I talked with you about.

"He's my favorite character, but he gets his ass kicked by everyone, despite what the comics show."

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
What the hell does arguing against someone have to do with liking them? Whether you like a character or not shouldn't have anything to do with who you think wins.

Perhaps I should've been more precise. Well, when someone argues in that way, that is makes up things and ignores the context it becomes clear that character doesn't belong to his "favourites" list, doesn't it?

Originally posted by Creshosk
You've never actually read a wolverine comic. You just seen out of context scans posted by people..

No, I'm not asking any questions I'm stating the truth. This much is obvious because everything you've said about Wolverine thus far has been incorrect.

Ok, maybe I can't work with ya'. But dammit I love you. If not just for your bullsh*t.

First. Punisher has, in fact, KO'd Spider-Man. It was a long ass f*cking time ago, but here's what happened; he was trying to snipe Shocker, Spider-Man kicked Shocker out of the way of the bullet, and then went after Punisher. A little time later, Punisher set the building on fire to throw off Spider-Man's spider sense. Punisher crept up behind him and KO'd him by cracking him upside the head with an M4 or similar gun. I read that issue when I was a kid, but I remember because it was cool that Punisher tricked Spider-Man.

Second, I have the entire story arc of when Wolverine took on the Hand. Sad fact is, I haven't read it in about a year or so, so my memory is obviously a little off. Now, I don't know how old you are, so I'm not gonna go on the attack. Instead, I'll try to direct you back to what this suppose to be. A debate. Unfortunately, what I'm debating can't really be proven either way. It's impossible to show a scan of Wolverine NOT being KO'd. And another huge problem is, I don't have a scanner. So even if I see it with my own two eyes, I can't prove it with a scan. And, again, I haven't even SEEN those Hand issues in f*cking forever.

Now, tell me, if you can, what exactly have I said about Wolverine that is not true?

He doesn't have super-speed.
He can be KO'd.
His body is not super-humanly durable, nor is his brain.
Gorgon killed him with a katana.

What's incorrect here?


EDIT: I'm going to go look for the Wolverine VS Hand story.

Originally posted by Master Court
Now, tell me, if you can, what exactly have I said about Wolverine that is not true?

He doesn't have super-speed.
He can be KO'd.
His body is not super-humanly durable, nor is his brain.
Gorgon killed him with a katana.

What's incorrect here?


You ignored my posts...? Very clever.

He does have super-speed, take a look at the previous page.

Of course he can.

You realize that his bone claws were able to cut through steel? And that it was stated that his skeleton is just as tough as them?

He KO'd Wolverine weakened from the fight with Hand ninjas and inhaling methane gas. Off-panel. He got killed later.

Originally posted by Master Court
It's impossible to show a scan of Wolverine NOT being KO'd.



http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2995/781531114956215oa1.jpg

Originally posted by Creshosk


http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/2995/781531114956215oa1.jpg


Oh! Hey. Well done.

I concede.


But I think Wolverine VS Rockslide would have to be a stalemate then.


EDIT: But I still didn't say anything untrue about Logan. Just understimated the KO part.

EDIT 2: I KNEW I could work you. That's why I love ya!

I guess he has me on ignore What've I done to the wrist lock master?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/4103/palmverine.jpg

Epic fail. Wolverine DOES have superhuman speed.


Originally posted by srank, fixed links by me.

Speed of thought. A severely weakened, Wolverine shows Psylocke that his thought and action are one in the same.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_Page21.jpg

An actually number, Wolverine's reaction time is .038 seconds.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/2273/weaponxfirstclass020021em4.jpg

Wolverine blitzes four bikers, killing them all simultaneously.
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Wolverine_FtaS_025.jpg

Faster than human eyes can follow.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3582/namortoofast2tw4.jpg

Again. Faster than the human eye can follow.

http://img132.imageshack.us/img132/855/fasterthaneyescanfollowpw5.jpg

Both Wolverine and Sabretooth are almost too fast for Psylocke to follow.

http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/8915/sabesab5.jpg

Cyclops can't even track the Prime Sentinels, but Wolverine engages them in melee no problem.

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/3834/vnewsentinalfl6.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/1060/vnewsentinal2sy1.jpg

He moves like lightning.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-38-30.jpg

Lightning reflexes.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-39-08.jpg

Nothing human could have moved that fast.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n31-p04-1.jpg

Impossible. No one can move that fast.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-06.jpg

A terrorists decides to take a shot at Wolverine from more than 20 feet away. The bullet grazes Wolverine's cheek and he speed blitzes his assailant, closing the ground between them instantly and severing the shooters arm.

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/8499/xmenv2133p03gm1.jpg
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/6867/bulletsidestepkq1.jpg

Wolverine cuts a barrage of arrows out of the air... and his claws were still sheathed in his arms when the arrows were fired.

http://img234.imageshack.us/img234/3575/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0nx6.jpg
http://img338.imageshack.us/img338/6679/wolviemd1lucybutlerdcp0vc8.jpg

Wolverine displays some superhuman speed, moving as a blur.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-124b-07.jpg

Wolverine speed blitzes Domina, who herself was able to sole an group of X-Men

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/__hr_XM102pg21.jpg

Even Spider-man questions his speed in regards to Wolverine and wonders if Logan might be faster.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/SpidermanvsWolverine55.jpg

Wolverine is faster than Namor.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/n-24-14.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/n-24-15.jpg

The Weapon X Program wants to see how Wolverine fairs against a massive bear. He kills it before Hines can say "Four Minutes and twenty one seconds," too fast for the bear to even react.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_058.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_059.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/Versus%20Animals/Bear/Weapon_X_TPB_060.jpg

Wolverine blocks the barrel of a gun claws, after the trigger was pulled but before the bullet leaves the chamber.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p14-1.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/Wolverine_n43-p15-1.jpg

Wolverine slices a skintight suit of armor off Geist in the time it takes from him to say clean shave.

http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/2959/wolverine40pe3.jpg
http://img507.imageshack.us/img507/7945/wolverine41gz4.jpg

Replicates the feat against Doc Sampson.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/892/samsonripdp5.jpg
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/6002/samsonrip2od2.jpg

Wolverine speed blitzes some Danger Room robots. He lets go his his cigars, trashes the robots and then grabs his cigars before they can start to descend.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/6633/twosecondstt9.jpg
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/4643/twoseconds3cd9.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/5056/twoseconds2sy3.jpg

Wolverine avoids the blows of a group of Martial artists skilled to kill with a single blow, during a ritual / write of passage.

http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/7449/villlagetm0.jpg

Nightcrawler is knocked from his perch and before he can fall the 10-20 feet into the fire bellow, Wolverine cuts a large section out of the wall and catches him.

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7726/elfcatchinlv7.jpg

With a blade inches from his head, Wolverine turns at the last moment and blocks the thrust. He engages his assailant... and does a second last second dodge, while already engaged in combat when a second one attacks him from behind.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-04.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-05.jpg
http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/MCP-133a-06.jpg

With a knife posed inches from his face, Wolverine punches his lunging attacker before the blade makes contact.

http://i233.photobucket.com/albums/ee113/wolverinerespectthread/New/mcp-109a-06.jpg

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Seriously dude, read some comics. I think he has you on ignore.

Nah, I'm just ignoring him.

I actually have a scan of Wolverine being KOed by a normal human. (IIRC it was a mafioso or something like that) It happened on the pages of his own serie. The guy KOed him and put him into the trunk of his car and drove somewhere.

I'll post it tomorrow when I'll hook up the old computer.

Originally posted by Master Court
He doesn't have super-speed.
He can be KO'd.
His body is not super-humanly durable, nor is his brain.
Gorgon killed him with a katana.

What's incorrect here?

- check last page for a few dozen scans proving otherwise
- very very very difficult to accomplish
- yes it is as proven in all his fights against bricks, from roughhouse, to spidey, to colossus, to hulk
- stabbed him with a katana, then the scene ends. Wolverine is still very much alive at that point. The KO, and the death were off-panel.

So all of them are incorrect other than the KO part, which CAN be accomplished with great difficulty.

Originally posted by Master Court
Nah, I'm just ignoring him.

Makes sense. Replying to my post would be very inconvenient for you.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
- check last page for a few dozen scans proving otherwise
- very very very difficult to accomplish
- yes it is as proven in all his fights against bricks, from roughhouse, to spidey, to colossus, to hulk
- stabbed him with a katana, then the scene ends. Wolverine is still very much alive at that point. The KO, and the death were off-panel.

So all of them are incorrect other than the KO part, which CAN be accomplished with great difficulty.


Quite a few of those, if not most of them, really seem to be more feats of fighting skill. A couple of which are taken too literally at the drawings. Wolverine can't speed blitz. The after image is just to show that he moves fast. That's reaction speed, not super-human movement speed. Like the knife thing. That's reaction. Do you know how fast people can punch? Even the average man?

No, he's not super humanly durable. His HF is all that keeps him alive. And his unbreakable adamantium bones help as well.

I suppose you're right on the last point. But, it's probably almost impossible to beat Logan to death. Gorgon's only offensive power - that is, a power that isn't passive like super strength, etc - is an insta-kill that makes you stone. So if Gorgon didn't use the sword; wtf?


Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Makes sense. Replying to my post would be very inconvenient for you.

Yes. You're an inconvenient person. When I'm already debating with another dude that's making better points than you, why waste my time? Besides, he proved his point. You haven't. Wolverine doesn't have super human speed. He has good reaction time. Obviously. Good reflexes. Of course. He's extremely well trained and is oozing battle experience. His body is in peak condition, so he can move quite fast and is agile. But he's not even as fast as Cap. Cap has ran across rooms to protect people from gunfire even after the shot has been fired. Wolverine either eats the bullets, or gets grazed. And Cap is officially not superhuman. Cap is even faster than Daredevil. You know how? Daredevil doesn't have superhuman speed either. And Daredevil had no problem besting Logan, even if barely. So Wolverine is NOT super fast. Just really fast for a man whose physical-fitness level is within human range.

You're trolling. Period.

Edit:

I don't want to post a respect thread. You wanna educate yourself - go there.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Perhaps I should've been more precise. Well, when someone argues in that way, that is makes up things and ignores the context it becomes clear that character doesn't belong to his "favourites" list, doesn't it?

You are correct.

Originally posted by Rhinoceros
I actually have a scan of Wolverine being KOed by a normal human. (IIRC it was a mafioso or something like that) It happened on the pages of his own serie. The guy KOed him and put him into the trunk of his car and drove somewhere.

I'll post it tomorrow when I'll hook up the old computer.

Wolverine faked being knocked out so he could find out where the dirty cop buried the bodies of the people he had previously killed. It happens in issue 189.

can we get this guy banned? i am sick of his bull...

Originally posted by Ize19
Wolverine faked being knocked out so he could find out where the dirty cop buried the bodies of the people he had previously killed. It happens in issue 189.

Thanks, I honestly wasn't sure what had happened. I really didn't like that particular serie.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You're trolling. Period.

Edit:

I don't want to post a respect thread. You wanna educate yourself - go there.

To be fair you did once try to argue that a mindcontrolled Wolverine looked better against DD. We forgot about the mindcontrol and soul thingy and we were simply arguing who looked better......I gotta admit that was ridiculous.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
To be fair you did once try to argue that a mindcontrolled Wolverine looked better against DD. We forgot about the mindcontrol and soul thingy and we were simply arguing who looked better......I gotta admit that was ridiculous.

Yes, that was indeed ridiculous.

Wolverine sent him flying across the room with a kick, hit him in the solar plexus, slashed his chest.

What has DD done? Aside from using Hand ninjas as human shields and giving Logan back his mental freedom?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
What has DD done? Aside from using Hand ninjas as human shields and giving Logan back his mental freedom?

Stalled him. Which was the plan from the get-go.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Stalled him. Which was the plan from the get-go.

Actually it was Matt who was the bait. Gorgon killed Elektra and her team.

"Finish him. In for the kill. Another eight minutes before S.H.I.E.L.D. teams get here anyway."

If Logan hadn't stopped responding to Strucker's commands, DD would probably have gotten killed.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Actually it was Matt who was the bait. Gorgon killed Elektra and her team.

"Finish him. In for the kill. Another eight minutes before S.H.I.E.L.D. teams get here anyway."

If Logan hadn't stopped responding to Strucker's commands, DD would probably have gotten killed.

Umm....the Gorgon's taking of Elektra was the counter-plan. The initial plan was Murdock stall Wolverine while Elektra and a team of SHIELD operatives take him out.

http://img17.imageshack.us/i/elektraplan1.jpg/
http://img177.imageshack.us/i/w2403.jpg/
http://img210.imageshack.us/i/w2404.jpg/

Basically Elektra figures Wolverine would take out Murdock so she stakes out his house together with a shield team so they can capture Wolverine when he shows up. Only Gorgon realizes Elektra would do this so decides to take her instead of Murdock.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Umm....the Gorgon's taking of Elektra was the counter-plan. The initial plan was Murdock stall Wolverine while Elektra and a team of SHIELD operatives take him out.

http://img17.imageshack.us/i/elektraplan1.jpg/
http://img177.imageshack.us/i/w2403.jpg/
http://img210.imageshack.us/i/w2404.jpg/

Basically Elektra figures Wolverine would take out Murdock so she stakes out his house together with a shield team so they can capture Wolverine when he shows up. Only Gorgon realizes Elektra would do this so decides to take her instead of Murdock.

Logan was warned about Elektra. He knew that Gorgon watched his back.

Originally posted by Master Court
Ok, maybe I can't work with ya'. But dammit I love you. If not just for your bullsh*t.

First. Punisher has, in fact, KO'd Spider-Man. It was a long ass f*cking time ago, but here's what happened; he was trying to snipe Shocker, Spider-Man kicked Shocker out of the way of the bullet, and then went after Punisher. A little time later, Punisher set the building on fire to throw off Spider-Man's spider sense. Punisher crept up behind him and KO'd him by cracking him upside the head with an M4 or similar gun. I read that issue when I was a kid, but I remember because it was cool that Punisher tricked Spider-Man.

Second, I have the entire story arc of when Wolverine took on the Hand. Sad fact is, I haven't read it in about a year or so, so my memory is obviously a little off. Now, I don't know how old you are, so I'm not gonna go on the attack. Instead, I'll try to direct you back to what this suppose to be. A debate. Unfortunately, what I'm debating can't really be proven either way. It's impossible to show a scan of Wolverine NOT being KO'd. And another huge problem is, I don't have a scanner. So even if I see it with my own two eyes, I can't prove it with a scan. And, again, I haven't even SEEN those Hand issues in f*cking forever.

Now, tell me, if you can, what exactly have I said about Wolverine that is not true?

He doesn't have super-speed.
He can be KO'd.
His body is not super-humanly durable, nor is his brain.
Gorgon killed him with a katana.

What's incorrect here?


EDIT: I'm going to go look for the Wolverine VS Hand story.
The Spiderman/Punisher story you're referring to is the story entitled Vengeance-which ran from issues 32-34 of Spiderman, in the early 90's.
The vilain in that story wasn't Shocker, but a character who called himself "The Master of Vengeance". The MOV had a costume which harnessed electromagnetic energy in the air to fire out destructive blasts. Frank damaged the costume which was going to blow up and take out the building which he, Spiderman and MOV were in. Spider being Spidey refused to leave MOV (even though he was the villain). Punisher tookm advantage of the fact that Spidey's SS was overloaded by the danger of the MOV's suit and kno0cked him out from behind with the butt of his assault rifle, so he could carry Pete to safety. Frank didn't trick Spiderman, -he took advantage of Spiderman being preoccupied to save him from himself.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
The Spiderman/Punisher story you're referring to is the story entitled Vengeance-which ran from issues 32-34 of Spiderman, in the early 90's.
The vilain in that story wasn't Shocker, but a character who called himself "The Master of Vengeance". The MOV had a costume which harnessed electromagnetic energy in the air to fire out destructive blasts. Frank damaged the costume which was going to blow up and take out the building which he, Spiderman and MOV were in. Spider being Spidey refused to leave MOV (even though he was the villain). Punisher tookm advantage of the fact that Spidey's SS was overloaded by the danger of the MOV's suit and kno0cked him out from behind with the butt of his assault rifle, so he could carry Pete to safety. Frank didn't trick Spiderman, -he took advantage of Spiderman being preoccupied to save him from himself.

Woah. Cool. I didn't remember nearly that much. I always remembered it that Punisher set the fire to get the chance to KO Spidey. But since you filled me in, it all sounds very familiar. Thanks for that.

They were my older brothers comics, so I only got to read them a few times back in the day, but I liked that one in particular. Showed that normal humans still matter in a world with a thousand super heroes and super villains.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
wolverine holds more advantages over rockslide then disadvantages. rock slides not that strong either for a brick.

Yes he is. He knocked down WWH IIRC

Originally posted by The Pict
Yes he is. He knocked down WWH IIRC

He was also one of the topdogs in the superhero wrestling community, until the powerbroker faked a drugtest.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
He was also one of the topdogs in the superhero wrestling community, until the powerbroker faked a drugtest.

I didn't read that arc. Or was that the Kingmaker one? It was kinda similar but I can't quite remember what happened to Santo when they refused to do what the Kingmaker wanted.

Either way, Santo is very strong. Dunno where Battlehammer was going with that one.

Originally posted by The Pict
I didn't read that arc. Or was that the Kingmaker one? It was kinda similar but I can't quite remember what happened to Santo when they refused to do what the Kingmaker wanted.

Either way, Santo is very strong. Dunno where Battlehammer was going with that one.

I meant Kingmaker. Get him mixed up with Powerbroker

But yeah, Santo's probably not among the top dogs in strength. He's still got more than enough power to knock out Wolverine. It's also difficult to note the properties of his explosion.

If he so strong lets see some lifting feats. I am sorry, but if his only good lifting feat is knocking hulk over a guy who ways 1000 pounds, that far for impressive for a brick.

i dont think a character needs to lift an object to cement his strength class, it helps but not necessary...

i think we can gather from how colossus has manhandled him and how he crumbled under hulk to be far below those two in strength..

i would say he is more or less around the 80 ton mark..

just my assumption

Originally posted by Master Court
Woah. Cool. I didn't remember nearly that much. I always remembered it that Punisher set the fire to get the chance to KO Spidey. But since you filled me in, it all sounds very familiar. Thanks for that.


I like Frank too. As much as the other heroes deride his methods, he will have no hesitation in helping them out.

Originally posted by Battlehammer
If he so strong lets see some lifting feats. I am sorry, but if his only good lifting feat is knocking hulk over a guy who ways 1000 pounds, that far for impressive for a brick.

Lifting feats aren't the only way to measure strength. Thor has a lot more and a lot better lifting feats than Silver Age Mangog. We saw how that turned out.

i just realized that logan can one punch rockslide over and over until rockslide tires out...

use his MA punch he had recently learned and crumble rockslide each time..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i just realized that logan can one punch rockslide over and over until rockslide tires out...

use his MA punch he had recently learned and crumble rockslide each time.. So you think Wolverine can win this, and it doesn't end in a stalemate?

Originally posted by Creshosk
So you think Wolverine can win this, and it doesn't end in a stalemate?

not since logan has gone back to MA no.

Can Wolverine climb out from under the rocks?

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Yes, that was indeed ridiculous.

Wolverine sent him flying across the room with a kick, hit him in the solar plexus, slashed his chest.

What has DD done? Aside from using Hand ninjas as human shields and giving Logan back his mental freedom?

This is O/T so im not getting into it but serioulsy....

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i just realized that logan can one punch rockslide over and over until rockslide tires out...

use his MA punch he had recently learned and crumble rockslide each time..

Has Rockslide ever been shown to be unable to reform because of fatigue?

I don't ever recall that happening. At least not off the top of my head.

Either it's a stalemate or Rockslide wins via a knock out if his strong enough in my opinion.

is rockslide fast enough to even get a hit on logan?

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
This is O/T so im not getting into it but serioulsy....

*sigh*

Let's just agree to disagree.


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Does Fraction even know Rockslide can reform, etc.?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
is rockslide fast enough to even get a hit on logan?

I'd say he's not exactly a very good fighter according to how he fared against Gazer

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Originally posted by The Pict
I didn't read that arc. Or was that the Kingmaker one? It was kinda similar but I can't quite remember what happened to Santo when they refused to do what the Kingmaker wanted.

Either way, Santo is very strong. Dunno where Battlehammer was going with that one. He's Class 75 according to his handbook bio in the lastest handbook that came out in July.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
He's Class 75 according to his handbook bio in the lastest handbook that came out in July.

lol

Higher than classic colossus.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
lol

Higher than classic colossus. Class 75 is over 50 tons and up to 75 tons. It don't mean 75 tons exactly.

Originally posted by snoopdogg
Class 75 is over 50 tons and up to 75 tons. It don't mean 75 tons exactly.

Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing that up. Using the class system teenage Colossus would have been listed as Class 75 also because 70 tons falls into that category.

Looks like Rockslide took this home.