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If God is real, than is a simply a source of morality and order, or is he an actual entity such as Zeus or Odin? If it is the latter, than why is He presupposing that he is the source of all morality? Does this mean that omniscience grants perfection?

Religion makes little sense. Somehow this thread seems to make even less. There are no less than three questions in the opening, and none are related to the title.

People like to sound deep and intelligent, so they ask a lot of "thought-provoking" questions.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Religion makes little sense. Somehow this thread seems to make even less. There are no less than three questions in the opening, and none are related to the title. Yes they are. God is supposed to be the ultimate source of morality, thus meaning that His authority is justified. If this is true, than having followers is justified.

That's the official line anyway.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
People like to sound deep and intelligent, so they ask a lot of "thought-provoking" questions. I'm not familar with you, so I'll just let this inane comment go.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Yes they are. God is supposed to be the ultimate source of morality, thus meaning that His authority is justified. If this is true, than having followers is justified.

That's the official line anyway.
Except, the question wasn't "is it moral to seek followers". The question was WHY he needs them, an issue distinct from moral authority.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Except, the question wasn't "is it moral to seek followers". The question was WHY he needs them, an issue distinct from moral authority. It would all make sense if someone more coherent than I had posted this, true. I guess what I'm really asking is: Even if God is the source of all morality, why?

That is yet another question, related more tenuously to the title than the last!

Give the n00b an easy lashing, please! From what I can see, all the questions are related to one another logically.

An Omnipotent God does not need.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
If God is real, than is a simply a source of morality and order, or is he an actual entity such as Zeus or Odin? If it is the latter, than why is He presupposing that he is the source of all morality? Does this mean that omniscience grants perfection?

Does might make right?

The idea of a god is something that humans made up. Therefore, god can be what ever you need or want.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
Why does an Omnipotent God need followers?

* first, there are things God cannot do (lying, Hebrews 6:18 and changing James 1:17), so He is not omnipotent according to the Bible... and He does not need anything from anyone (Acts 17:25)... but He wants something... He wants all people to be saved (I Timothy 2:3-4)...

God does not need followers. Where did you get this idea from? God simply wants man to live life more abundantly -- to treat others as they wish to be treated (to love one another). If such was the case, for instance, rape and theft would never occur, but man is sinful in nature, and so it happens. Life is complex due to sin; it should be simple otherwise. As Scripture teaches, God saw this in advance. Since we are not like Him. In so, He offered Himself as a ransom -- Jesus the Christ -- to die in our place (for the sins we have committed). Because of Jesus, we have a chance to have eternal life. Christianity is all about the works of Jesus, not man. In Jesus alone, we have life. Understand?

Originally posted by ushomefree
God does not need followers. Where did you get this idea from? God simply wants man to live life more abundantly -- to treat others as they wish to be treated (to love one another). If such was the case, for instance, rape and theft would never occur, but man is sinful in nature, and so it happens. Life is complex due to sin; it should be simple otherwise. As Scripture teaches, God saw this in advance. Since we are not like Him. In so, He offered Himself as a ransom -- Jesus the Christ -- to die in our place (for the sins we have committed). Because of Jesus, we have a chance to have eternal life. Christianity is all about the works of Jesus, not man. In Jesus alone, we have life. Understand?

Are you sure that suffering isn't caused by humans?

the answer to ur question is inconceivable to our minds.god can defy logic itself,which is why isn't bound by the large rock paradox

Originally posted by gobstakid777
the answer to ur question is inconceivable to our minds.god can defy logic itself,which is why isn't bound by the large rock paradox

Then isn't God just playing mind games with us? Why should humans spend all their time worshiping and feeling guilty when it's impossible for us to know what's right?

Originally posted by King Kandy
Except, the question wasn't "is it moral to seek followers". The question was WHY he needs them, an issue distinct from moral authority.

Yeah but some people will argue he doesn't need followers, we need God.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Yeah but some people will argue he doesn't need followers, we need God.

...and if there was no god, then we would make one up. We humans have made a lot of gods in the past. That is a good argument for there not being a god.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
...and if there was no god, then we would make one up. We humans have made a lot of gods in the past. That is a good argument for there not being a god.

Well its not that good depends on how you look at it.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
...and if there was no god, then we would make one up. We humans have made a lot of gods in the past. That is a good argument for there not being a god.

No, that's actually a unbelievably poor argument for there not being a god.

Originally posted by Phantom Zone
Well its not that good depends on how you look at it.

You would have to know more about why humans need a god. Also, remember that I am not an atheist.


Symmetric Chaos, you have no point.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Symmetric Chaos, you have no point.

Indeed, how dare I try to hold other to a basic standard of logic. Ridiculous.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Then you recognize that the argument you gave was totally nonsensical?

The point was made that we need god. My point was that sense we have made up untold numbers of gods, that suggests there is no god. Just because you disagree with me is not a point.

I was waiting for "I disagree and this is why..." To just come on and say you disagree, even with flair, is still not a point.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
If God is real, than is a simply a source of morality and order, or is he an actual entity such as Zeus or Odin? If it is the latter, than why is He presupposing that he is the source of all morality? Does this mean that omniscience grants perfection?

Simply put, he doesn't. But God is Love, thus being loving..I believe he creates people for his good(righteous) pleasure. So thus being men(and pseudo creators ourselves) we should follow that same example.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
I'm not familar with you, so I'll just let this inane comment go. Don't worry, lucien is this funny all the time.

"He" doesn't.

Originally posted by Mindship
"He" doesn't.

Not even a "He".

" " was the best I could do.

Originally posted by Mindship
" " was the best I could do.

When it comes to God, we humans are always wrong.

All for love.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
All for love.

...and love for all.