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i bn thinking if humans were the only ones that steal, cheat, lie and murder b/c they are corrupted by evil then why do many animals exhibit many of the same moral issues?... is it b/c of a lack of soul? that cant be it since we have a soul and still fail in many moral dilemmas.

does God get mad when a pet steals items from its owners or when a dog kills birds or cats out of pleasure rather then necessity?

i had a ferret that would steal jewelery from me even though i taught it, it was wrong to steal and hide them... my ferret simply changed his approach and became sneakier and changed his hiding spot... it was aware when i caught him and it would get sad or pretend it didnt do it...

it knew it was wrong b/c he would hide when i would find out what he had bn up too by simply watching what i had discovered..i had no need to raise my voice in order to illicit a response from it..

overall my question is this if god simply smiles at the animals actions and simply finds it amusing shouldnt he feel the same way when we humans do it too?

also anybody think animals should go to heaven too?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i bn thinking if humans were the only ones that steal, cheat, lie and murder b/c they are corrupted by evil then why do many animals exhibit many of the same moral issues?... is it b/c of a lack of soul? that cant be it since we have a soul and still fail in many moral dilemmas.

does God get mad when a pet steals items from its owners or when a dog kills birds or cats out of pleasure rather then necessity?

i had a ferret that would steal jewelery from me even though i taught it, it was wrong to steal and hide them... my ferret simply changed his approach and became sneakier and changed his hiding spot... it was aware when i caught him and it would get sad or pretend it didnt do it...

it knew it was wrong b/c he would hide when i would find out what he had bn up too by simply watching what i had discovered..i had no need to raise my voice in order to illicit a response from it..

overall my question is this if god simply smiles at the animals actions and simply finds it amusing shouldnt he feel the same way when we humans do it too?

also anybody think animals should go to heaven too?

As far as the point you are making, there is no difference between humans and animals.

i personally dont think so either.

im pretty sure he ****ed up with the dolphins. a friend of mine showed me a video of a dolphin trying to rape a diver.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
im pretty sure he ****ed up with the dolphins. a friend of mine showed me a video of a dolphin trying to rape a diver.

at least it didnt try to plug his blowhole and drown the swimmer

according to the jewish and christan bible animals dont have the knowleage of good and evil and that means that they dont commit sins they dont need to be saved becouse they never comited original sin and since they dont have intelligeints they cant comit evil they serve god simply by being

My dog stole my girlfriend

Originally posted by Mairuzu
My dog stole my girlfriend

did he puncture it?

I really want to know why giraffes dont make any noises? Could it be the way they are? Very weird looking things.

Originally posted by Mairuzu
My dog stole my girlfriend

I hate when that happens.

Originally posted by Prince Nauj
I really want to know why giraffes dont make any noises? Could it be the way they are? Very weird looking things.

That is a myth, sir.

Though often quite and reserved, a griraffe can belch out a very loud and powerful call, like a combo between the bleating of a calf and a molested gorilla.

This comes down to how you want to define "wrong", in Abrahamic faiths humans traditionally hold a special place. I believe the idea is that humans are designed to be closer to god than animals.

Originally posted by Robtard
That is a myth, sir.

Though often quite and reserved, a griraffe can belch out a very loud and powerful call, like a combo between the bleating of a calf and a molested gorilla.



WRONG!!!

Originally posted by Prince Nauj
I really want to know why giraffes dont make any noises? Could it be the way they are? Very weird looking things.

Giraffes make all sorts of noises. Mostly grunting and snorting.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Giraffes make all sorts of noises. Mostly grunting and snorting.

But what kind of nose do they make when they are trying to rape you?




Now that should connect the loose ends of this thread back together.

if we were all innocent b/c we didnt know any better then it was only natural for us to disobey god and eat the apple... we were just as innocent as the animals.

I think the Platypus counts as one of God's mistakes. A cross between a duck and a beaver looks weird.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
I think the Platypus counts as one of God's mistakes. A cross between a duck and a beaver looks weird.

http://www.cryptomundo.com/wp-content/uploads/evolution-platypus.jpg

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i bn thinking if humans were the only ones that steal, cheat, lie and murder b/c they are corrupted by evil then why do many animals exhibit many of the same moral issues?... is it b/c of a lack of soul? that cant be it since we have a soul and still fail in many moral dilemmas.

does God get mad when a pet steals items from its owners or when a dog kills birds or cats out of pleasure rather then necessity?

i had a ferret that would steal jewelery from me even though i taught it, it was wrong to steal and hide them... my ferret simply changed his approach and became sneakier and changed his hiding spot... it was aware when i caught him and it would get sad or pretend it didnt do it...

it knew it was wrong b/c he would hide when i would find out what he had bn up too by simply watching what i had discovered..i had no need to raise my voice in order to illicit a response from it..

overall my question is this if god simply smiles at the animals actions and simply finds it amusing shouldnt he feel the same way when we humans do it too?

also anybody think animals should go to heaven too?

Lassie should...(whom am I kidding WTF do these kids know what I'm talking about?)...because she's loyal.

It's always a little frustrating in this forum. I can't really reply to a lot of threads because I disagree with the premise on such a fundamental level, that I can't answer the question as it is posed. If I don't think any God made animals, then the question itself becomes moot. Insert this conundrum into a lot of similar threads and you see the problem.

So if you see a flaw in the way that the world is made when you try to sync it up with religious doctrine, in any situation, consider that the religious doctrine itself might be the one in error, not the world around us.

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As it pertains to your question, it is my opinion that humans and any other animal all conform to the laws of physics, meaning we exist within a deterministic universe and are subject to its laws. In that respect, we are no different from animals. It only appears different because we possess much higher levels of self-awareness and intelligence, and our behavior is harder to predict. While it is speculation to say at what level other animals possess a moral compass, they certainly can exhibit tendencies that approach the moral nuance that we ourselves exhibit. So God didn't make anything "wrong" (nor is there a God to make anything, imo), but behaviors make perfect sense for animals based on their cognative abilities.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
I think the Platypus counts as one of God's mistakes. A cross between a duck and a beaver looks weird.



profiled.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
But what kind of nose do they make when they are trying to rape you?




Now that should connect the loose ends of this thread back together. And does a giraffe make a sound even if there is no one there to hear it.




BOOOM!!!

Well, in the bible, Jesus took away the sins of "men"
I'm not sure if that includes the male species of other animals.

why did god make impure animals?

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Well, in the bible, Jesus took away the sins of "men"
I'm not sure if that includes the male species of other animals.

Why believe the bible?

"god" had nothing to do with it. All animals. like humans, are the product of evolution and their behavior is a combination of genetics and adapting to their current environment.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Well, in the bible, Jesus took away the sins of "men"
I'm not sure if that includes the male species of other animals.

Excellent question, if God made everything perfect then why isnīt it perfect. Or is perfection in the eye of the beholder.

Things evolved through mutation.

god made a list of animals that were suppose to be pure and used for sacrifices as well as a list of animals that were considered impure or unclean..

my question is why did he make such of list if god's creation was perfect to begin with?

fox

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
i bn thinking if humans were the only ones that steal, cheat, lie and murder b/c they are corrupted by evil then why do many animals exhibit many of the same moral issues?... is it b/c of a lack of soul? that cant be it since we have a soul and still fail in many moral dilemmas.

does God get mad when a pet steals items from its owners or when a dog kills birds or cats out of pleasure rather then necessity?

i had a ferret that would steal jewelery from me even though i taught it, it was wrong to steal and hide them... my ferret simply changed his approach and became sneakier and changed his hiding spot... it was aware when i caught him and it would get sad or pretend it didnt do it...

it knew it was wrong b/c he would hide when i would find out what he had bn up too by simply watching what i had discovered..i had no need to raise my voice in order to illicit a response from it..

overall my question is this if god simply smiles at the animals actions and simply finds it amusing shouldnt he feel the same way when we humans do it too?

also anybody think animals should go to heaven too?

First we have to define, what an animal is? An animal is something that is not a man(according to the dictionary), but at times they do give us power and do demonstrate feelings. For example I had a dog that I once called a son, but I realized that the dog that I called a son, was actually demonstrated more compassion and had more insight than those who surrounded me. So in summary, before we ask who we think should go heaven, let's first ask ourselves...what is an animal?

Elijah

God made animals to be TASTY!

Originally posted by Thundar
First we have to define, what an animal is? An animal is something that is not a man(according to the dictionary), but at times they do give us power and do demonstrate feelings. For example I had a dog that I once called a son, but I realized that the dog that I called a son, was actually demonstrated more compassion and had more insight than those who surrounded me. So in summary, before we ask who we think should go heaven, let's first ask ourselves...what is an animal?

Elijah

Why is an animal something other then man? If you look at it from a scientific point of view, then man is an animal.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Why is an animal something other then man? If you look at it from a scientific point of view, then man is an animal.

Shaky..I do not see man an animal, but I do not see an animal as a man. My point is that many animals have characteristics of men, likewise..many men have characteristics of animals..that doesn't mean that either is more animalistic or more human than the other. Before we ask questions like the poster above, we have to have an appropriate starting point. Let me ask you a question, what do you consider a man to be spiritually?

Originally posted by Thundar
Shaky..I do not see man an animal, but I do not see an animal as a man. My point is that many animals have characteristics of men, likewise..many men have characteristics of animals..that doesn't mean that either is more animalistic or more human than the other. Before we ask questions like the poster above, we have to have an appropriate starting point. Let me ask you a question, what do you consider a man to be spiritually?

Yes, a cat is not a dog, and a man is not a horse, but a cat, dog, horse and man are all animals.

How can you love someone, but say I'm better then you? To me, when Christianity says that man is not an animal, it comes across as arrogance and discriminate. There has been great evil done in the world because they are just animals.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
...There has been great evil done in the world because they are just animals.

Their own faults -- they shouldn't taste so f*cking good (especially moo-cows).

Originally posted by Blinky
Their own faults -- they shouldn't taste so f*cking good.

I do appreciate your humor, however, I'm not talking about killing and eating, but about how we treat animals.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I do appreciate your humor, however, I'm not talking about killing and eating, but about how we treat animals.

Be more specific.

Originally posted by Blinky
Be more specific.

What do you mean?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
What do you mean?

Examples of how we "treat" animals -- that has nothing to do with feasting upon them.

Originally posted by Blinky
Examples of how we "treat" animals -- that has nothing to do with feasting upon them.

I am not going to give you something that is commonly known.

The idea that animals are things not related to humans lead us to inhuman farming practices. There is nothing wrong with using animals as food, but many large farms put money about the life of the animal. If our culture saw humans as an animal, then we would try to do better for the lives of the animals that we farm. Now please understand, I'm not one of those nut cases that want to get ride of farms, but I think we can do better.

I object to the underlining idea that humans are not animals. I believe that separation leads to perverse actions and evil on our part.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I am not going to give you something that is commonly known.

The idea that animals are things not related to humans lead us to inhuman farming practices. There is nothing wrong with using animals as food, but many large farms put money about the life of the animal. If our culture saw humans as an animal, then we would try to do better for the lives of the animals that we farm. Now please understand, I'm not one of those nut cases that want to get ride of farms, but I think we can do better.

I object to the underlining idea that humans are not animals. I believe that separation leads to perverse actions and evil on our part.

Ummmm I asked for an example NOT related to eating them (you brought up farming).

Originally posted by Blinky
Ummmm I asked for an example NOT related to eating them (you brought up farming).

So, if we are going to eat an animal, then you don't care if that animals suffers for their short life?

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
So, if we are going to eat an animal, then you don't care if that animals suffers for their short life?

Of course I care, but I am also a realist. Man has to rape the earth/animals to survive, and there are WAY too many humans to farm and slaughter in a proper way. Personally -- I think we need serious human population control. A world-wide plague (or two) are animal kinds only hope.

If you really want to help out the animals, you should advocate for the spaying and neutering of humans.

Originally posted by Blinky
Of course I care, but I am also a realist. Man has to rape the earth/animals to survive, and there are WAY too many humans to farm and slaughter in a proper way. Personally -- I think we need serious human population control. A world-wide plague (or two) are animal kinds only hope.

If you really want to help out the animals, you should advocate for the spaying and neutering of humans.

You mean grape right?

Originally posted by Thundar
You mean grape right?

I meant "rape earth/animals" in the hippy way, sick f*ck.

Originally posted by Blinky
I meant "rape earth/animals" in the hippy way, sick f*ck.

Oh my mistake. That's kind of a little bit severe don't you think?

Originally posted by Blinky
Of course I care, but I am also a realist. Man has to rape the earth/animals to survive, and there are WAY too many humans to farm and slaughter in a proper way. Personally -- I think we need serious human population control. A world-wide plague (or two) are animal kinds only hope.

If you really want to help out the animals, you should advocate for the spaying and neutering of humans.

I disagree! I think we need to be smarter.

As far as human population; we need to do everything we can to get off this rock.

No. Everything's perfect.

Originally posted by Mindship
No. Everything's perfect.

Redefining perfect, you are.