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Ok so the fight takes place in New York and Apocalypse has one week prep and team Luthor one day..outside help is only allowed for team L..

So who wil win this battle?

Well...one of the most successful tag teams in DC vs. a character who hasn't accomplished jack shit in 5000 years, but still dares call himself "Apocalypse".

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Well...one of the most successful tag teams in DC vs. a character who hasn't accomplished jack shit in 5000 years, but still dares call himself "Apocalypse".

too true. brainiac can do this alone.

brainiac with prep destroys him.

Apocalypse wins.
Apocalypse is one of the most intelligent people in MU and he has done jack shit. *age of apocalypse*

Originally posted by galactusischere
Apocalypse wins.
Apocalypse is one of the most intelligent people in MU and he has done jack shit. *age of apocalypse*
His intelligence can't hope to compare to a Brainiac-Luthor team up.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Apocalypse wins.
Apocalypse is one of the most intelligent people in MU and he has done jack shit. *age of apocalypse*

Apoc is not even in the top 15 most intelligent characters by feats.

In DC Braniac should be easily top 5.

Originally posted by Bentley
Apoc is not even in the top 15 most intelligent characters by feats.

In DC Braniac should be easily top 5.
Maybe not top 15 but definately top 20-25-30.
Plus Apoc has more prep than those two AND more powerful.
and BTW marvel has ALOT more genious people than DC. ALOT

Originally posted by galactusischere
Maybe not top 15 but definately top 20-25-30.
Plus Apoc has more prep than those two AND more powerful.
and BTW marvel has ALOT more genious people than DC. ALOT

You not knowing those genuises doesn't mean they don't exist

Originally posted by Bentley
You not knowing those genuises doesn't mean they don't exist
Ok you tell me DC's best geniouses(no abstract level and up) and ill tell you Marvel's. how about it?

Originally posted by Aqua-pimp
outside help is only allowed for team L..


What does that mean? You mean they can not actually be in the fight?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Ok you tell me DC's best geniouses(no abstract level and up) and ill tell you Marvel's. how about it?
First off Marvel has more characters but here goes:
Batman
Captain Comet
Atom
Challengers of the Unknown
Ralph Dibny
Mister Terrific
Wil Magnus
Sivana
Luthor
Brainiac
Vril Dox
Darkseid
Doctor Light (both of them)
Calculator
Brainiac 5
Jor-El
Professor Ivo
Professor Langstrum
Riddler
Bane
Joker
R'as Al Ghul
Tim Drake
Doctor Polaris
Veronica Cale
Chang Tzu
Desaad
TO Morrow
Superman (sometimes)
Blue Beetle
STRIPE
Steel
Oracle
Hugo Strange
Ultra-Humanite
The Brain
Niles Caulder
Doctor Pyscho
Grodd
Mr. Freeze
Hector Hammond
Cyborg Superman
Peter Cannon
Gizmo
Professor Hamilton
Weather Wizard
There's more but I don't have time.

Some DC geniuses (probably not the best, someone can correct me) just to humor you:

Brainiac
Vril Dox
Metron
Rip Hunter
Alexander Luthor
Batman

Just to name some

Why are you guys arguing about intellects? Ever thought about beating the sh!t out of someone?

Team stomps.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
First off Marvel has more characters but here goes:
Batman
Captain Comet
Grand master
Atom
Challengers of the Unknown
Ralph Dibny
Mister Terrific
Wil Magnus
Sivana
Luthor
Brainiac
Vril Dox
Darkseid
Doctor Light (both of them)
Calculator
Brainiac 5
Jor-El
Professor Ivo
Professor Langstrum
Riddler
Bane
Joker
R'as Al Ghul
Tim Drake
Doctor Polaris
Veronica Cale
Chang Tzu
Desaad
TO Morrow
Superman (sometimes)
Blue Beetle
STRIPE
Steel
Oracle
Hugo Strange
Ultra-Humanite
The Brain
Niles Caulder
Doctor Pyscho
Grodd
Mr. Freeze
Hector Hammond
Cyborg Superman
Peter Cannon
Gizmo
Professor Hamilton
Weather Wizard
There's more but I don't have time.

Oh wow, I didn't mean all of them I meant their best.
Heres my list:
Reed Richards
Amadeus Cho
Doom
Thanos
High Evo
Apocalypse
Doc Ock
Dr. Rao
Parker(not genious but close)
Beast
Black Panther
Forge(only at creating)
Hank Pym
Magneto
Mr. Sinister
Charles X
Elixir
Leader
Norman Osborn
Mandarin
Banner
Gilbert Vaughn
MODOK
Moira
can't think of anybody else right now BUT Thanos, Doom, HE, Forge and Reed would be enough

Originally posted by Bentley
Some DC geniuses (probably not the best, someone can correct me) just to humor you:

Brainiac
Vril Dox
Metron
Rip Hunter
Alexander Luthor
Batman

Just to name some
Thanos, Doom, Reed...

If Lex and Brainiac can get outside help what does that entail? Does that mean they could mind-control Superman and have him kick Apoc's ass?

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Well...one of the most successful tag teams in DC vs. a character who hasn't accomplished jack shit in 5000 years, but still dares call himself "Apocalypse".

Originally posted by The Nuul

Age of Apocalypse

Its an alt U and not 616.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Its an alt U and not 616.
I know.
still counts.

No it doesn't....Alt U don't count for the main 616 characters.

Originally posted by galactusischere
I know.
still counts.

um... no...

Originally posted by galactusischere

Amadeus Cho - hardly on the level of those I named.
Apocalypse - Quite lame compared to those I named.
Doc Ock - You gotta be freaking kidding me. This guy is a chump.
Dr. Rao - Don't know him.
Parker - Doesn't hold a candle to half the people in the long list.
Beast - Good, but still in the "random-mad genius standard".
Forge(only at creating) - Creating ain't genius.
Magneto - Not in the same level.
Mr. Sinister - Not in the same level.
Charles X - Nah.
Elixir - Nope.
Leader - Can't say his feats back him up on this.
Norman Osborn - Nah.
Mandarin - Nop.
Banner - Haven't done half of the things other have.
Gilbert Vaughn - Don't know him.
MODOK - Know him and not in the same league.



HE is cool, Reed is cool, Thanos is cool, Doom is cool. Henry Pym and Black Panther are pretty damn competent themselves but they don't hold a candle to Metron, Braniac, Alexander etc.

Originally posted by Bentley
HE is cool, Reed is cool, Thanos is cool, Doom is cool. Henry Pym and Black Panther are pretty damn competent themselves but they don't hold a candle to Metron, Braniac, Alexander etc.

Cho is the 7th smartest person on earth definately smarter than Luthor...
the kid hacked into SHIELD.

Magneto had made devices that could destroy all the humans..

X had made cerebro that could kill almost any human/mutant.

Apoc is not lame he has tech so much superior to Luthor.

Beast is one of the top dogs in MU intelligent wise.

Forge can just make a UN.. game over.

Octavious is noly a chump because hes a spidey villain.

Leader is one of the top dogs in marvel as well.

and yea.. MODOK is gay.

They cant touch Brainiac.

Originally posted by The Nuul
They cant touch Brainiac.
Leader, Beast and Cho working together most certainly can.
So can Apoc, Forge and Leader working together.

Umm no.

Anyways, there is no point talking to you.

Originally posted by The Nuul
Umm no.
Do you know who Cho is and what hes capable of?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Cho is the 7th smartest person on earth definately smarter than Luthor...

not a chance in HELL.

also, he's the 8th.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Cho is the 7th smartest person on earth definately smarter than Luthor...
the kid hacked into SHIELD.

Magneto had made devices that could destroy all the humans..

X had made cerebro that could kill almost any human/mutant.

Apoc is not lame he has tech so much superior to Luthor.

Beast is one of the top dogs in MU intelligent wise.

Forge can just make a UN.. game over.

Octavious is noly a chump because hes a spidey villain.

Leader is one of the top dogs in marvel as well.

and yea.. MODOK is gay.

You will notice that in my own list I didn't put Luthor, he's amazingly good but he's not near the top dogs in DC universe (IMHO).

Cho is a quantum computer, still has no-shows to make him an uber prepper. Magneto did something to kill all humans? Who HASN'T? Cerebro is not nearly as impressive as the Miracle Machine, just to name something. Apoc has CELESTIAL TECH, that doesn't make his use of it nearly as good as Celestial's (Luthor had access to Apokolipsis tech though). Beast is smart but not in the league as the real nasty players. Even if Forge did the UN, he cannot use it to full effect, it needs an SMART MIND, not just a mutant power guiding it. The rest haven't done anything to warrant a mention.

Bottom line, there is Brainiac in this battle. Apoc has no chance to win.

Originally posted by -Pr-
not a chance in HELL.

also, he's the 8th.
So Luthor can as a child hack into the computers of the most advanced, defended and secure faction of earth?

Originally posted by galactusischere
So Luthor can as a child hack into the computers of the most advanced, defended and secure faction of earth?

when he was a child, there was no such thing as home computers.

the man does shit cho would never be capable of.

Originally posted by Bentley
You will notice that in my own list I didn't put Luthor, he's amazingly good but he's not near the top dogs in DC universe (IMHO).

Cho is a quantum computer, still has no-shows to make him an uber prepper. Magneto did something to kill all humans? Who HASN'T? Cerebro is not nearly as impressive as the Miracle Machine, just to name something. Apoc has CELESTIAL TECH, that doesn't make his use of it nearly as good as Celestial's (Luthor had access to Apokolipsis tech though). Beast is smart but not in the league as the real nasty players. Even if Forge did the UN, he cannot use it to full effect, it needs an SMART MIND, not just a mutant power guiding it. The rest haven't done anything to warrant a mention.

Bottom line, there is Brainiac in this battle. Apoc has no chance to win.
I know that Brainiac is smarter than Apoc. But Apoc has 7 days of prep while he has one, and Apoc has access to celestial tech.

Originally posted by -Pr-
when he was a child, there was no such thing as home computers.

the man does shit cho would never be capable of. such as?

Originally posted by galactusischere
such as?

he built anti-kryptonian weapons from scratch, that actually killed kryptonians.
Regrew Doomsday from a skeleton.
Created Superboy (Kon-El).
Found a way to successfully transplant the human brain (iirc).
Ues Kryptonian Tech to create a Kryptonian warship (and put a bubble around metropolis that kept everyone else out).
Hacked Brainiac's brain.

That's off the top of my head.

You really don't want to see the scary shit pre crisis luthor could do.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Oh wow, I didn't mean all of them I meant their best.
Heres my list:
Reed Richards
Amadeus Cho
Doom
Thanos
High Evo
Apocalypse
Doc Ock
Dr. Rao
Parker(not genious but close)
Beast
Black Panther
Forge(only at creating)
Hank Pym
Magneto
Mr. Sinister
Charles X
Elixir
Leader
Norman Osborn
Mandarin
Banner
Gilbert Vaughn
MODOK
Moira
can't think of anybody else right now BUT Thanos, Doom, HE, Forge and Reed would be enough u put magneto on the list before tony stark ?

Originally posted by galactusischere
Age of Apocalypse What about it?

He took over North America with plenty of help, and his control over it was loose at best. His allies were plotting against him, and was ripped apart by Magneto. For a story that placed him as the center-piece, he ended up as a real b*tch.

Genius Jones. Nobody can touch him.

Originally posted by chomperx9
u put magneto on the list before tony stark ?
Not in order

Originally posted by -Pr-
he built anti-kryptonian weapons from scratch, that actually killed kryptonians.
Regrew Doomsday from a skeleton.
Created Superboy (Kon-El).
Found a way to successfully transplant the human brain (iirc).
Ues Kryptonian Tech to create a Kryptonian warship (and put a bubble around metropolis that kept everyone else out).
Hacked Brainiac's brain.

That's off the top of my head.

You really don't want to see the scary shit pre crisis luthor could do.
Ok. Cho has also hacked into the baxter building(Reed had programed the security system himself) and found out that Hulk wasn't where he was supposed to be sent(WWH) while neither Reed, Stark or Panther could. and hes done those feats as a teenager...

Lex designed the system that was going to save Earth in final night, capturing the sun's supernova and all that. Turned out it didn't have to once Hal Jordan showed up, but still.

The Omac's where designed by Lex Luthor, he commented on the tech being stolen from him.

Lex developed the superhero project in 52, where he figured out how to map the genes that give and take superhero powers, and could give them to anyone.

Originally posted by galactusischere
Ok. Cho has also hacked into the baxter building(Reed had programed the security system himself) and found out that Hulk wasn't where he was supposed to be sent(WWH) while neither Reed, Stark or Panther could. and hes done those feats as a teenager... Really? Stark made a comment before about despite his intelligence Reed never being able to make a system he couldn't crack.

Iirc, Wolverine broke into the Baxter building, as have several other heros.
Reeds' defense system must not be too great.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Well...one of the most successful tag teams in DC vs. a character who hasn't accomplished jack shit in 5000 years, but still dares call himself "Apocalypse".

Originally posted by galactusischere
Ok. Cho has also hacked into the baxter building(Reed had programed the security system himself) and found out that Hulk wasn't where he was supposed to be sent(WWH) while neither Reed, Stark or Panther could. and hes done those feats as a teenager...

that's not that impressive, tbh...

also:

Originally posted by Juntai
Really? Stark made a comment before about despite his intelligence Reed never being able to make a system he couldn't crack.

Iirc, Wolverine broke into the Baxter building, as have several other heros.
Reeds' defense system must not be too great.