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battle takes place in naboo generator room.

Team 1 pretty easily, if this is ROTS Sidious and ROTS Obi Wan.

Yoda vs Sidious drags out for a long time.

Mace Windu beats Dooku, I mean he could beat Sidious.

Obi Wan vs Maul drags out for a while.

Mace helps either Yoda or Kenobi, but either way jedi win.

maybe, but maul may be able to beat kenobi and then help either of his teamates.

Originally posted by bayhunter12
maybe, but maul may be able to beat kenobi and then help either of his teamates.

why would maul be able to beat kenobi? Master of Soresu and all that Jazz?

Maul has superior physical strength and stamina, so he could probably tire kenobi and then kill him.

Nah, Kenobi isn't exactly the quick-and-tired kinda guy. Look at the duel in RotS, Anakin was really proving to be the more powerful but then Obi pulled through by using his wits. In this case, using his wits means doing everything to not die until he gets help, which he will get.

We never see Kenobi get his guard broken in sabers after switching to Soresu, the form which Mace called him "the master" of. He handled 16 blows a second SIXTEEN BLOWS A SECOND from grievous, and then cut off his arm in mid assault.

He seems quite susceptible to force attacks, tho to be fair, dooku is the only one who owns him with the force, and dooku was something of a prodigy himself who supposed himself as more powerful than yoda. But Maul has shown nothing in the force to match Dooku, or to suggest he would overwhelm Kenobi with the force (Since Anakin couldn't)

Since it is unlikely that Maul could break Kenobi's guard, unlikely that he would tire him out (fight with anakin, and the fact that soresu allows you to block blows from the enemy with minimal effort, it is more likely maul would wear himself out with failed attacks. ) unlikely that he would overpower him with the force, I'm finding it extremely likely that Kenobi would win.

yes, but this fight really comes down to the winner of mace and dooku. since mace likely takes this he's probably gonna help yoda finish sidious. either mace or yoda dies finishing sidious. i really don't see maul pulling through on this one.

Originally posted by bayhunter12
either mace or yoda dies finishing sidious. i really don't see maul pulling through on this one.

No. Mace + Yoda together OMG WTF PWN sidious. Either one can at least fight Sidious to a draw.

but mace would be pretty tired after fighting dooku.

Originally posted by bayhunter12
but mace would be pretty tired after fighting dooku.

But Sidious would be pretty tired after dueling with Yoda, which would probably still be going on.

Tired doesn't really come into these very much. Tired doesn't matter too much to force users. See Dooku in ROTS, he was exhausted, struggling for breath, he took a second to center himself, and he was just fine.

Now, dehydrated, starving and unable to move WITHOUT the aid of the force is a whole different animal, but thats for a different thread.

Point being: in a fight like this that is going to last, what? 5 minutes? I don't think any of the duels in Star Wars ever took longer than that by much, Fatigue hardly comes into play.

Originally posted by truejedi
Tired doesn't really come into these very much. Tired doesn't matter too much to force users. See Dooku in ROTS, he was exhausted, struggling for breath, he took a second to center himself, and he was just fine.

Now, dehydrated, starving and unable to move WITHOUT the aid of the force is a whole different animal, but thats for a different thread.

Point being: in a fight like this that is going to last, what? 5 minutes? I don't think any of the duels in Star Wars ever took longer than that by much, Fatigue hardly comes into play.

That's true, only in long fights such as large scale battles do jedi get tired.

But not to point fingers/accuse anyone, but bayhunter 12 brought it up (not that there's anything wrong with that.) I was simply responding to it.

But jedi win, assuming that this is ROTS Sidious and ROTS Obi Wan.

Yoda = Sidious

Mace > Dooku

Obi Wan probably > Maul

OR

Mace >/= Sidious

Yoda > Dooku

Obi Wan probably > Maul

Team 1


Obi-Wans Soresu could let him handle Dooku for at least a minute and by then if Maul is against either Yoda or Mace his head is rolling around and Dooku is next. Obviously Mace and Sidious or Yoda and Sidious are still fighting.

Taking mentality in to account, and avoiding the whole "Maul hates Kenobi cuz he killed him GRRR!", then I see this:



The strongest are drawn to each other, so, Sidious vs. Yoda. In that room of walkways and chasms, Yoda's Ataru is gonna look hilarious when the lack of space that plagued Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan is accentuated by his need for flips and jumps. SIdious and Yoda re-enact the final moments of their Senate Chamber duel with Yoda getting blasted away.


Dooku would tool Kenobi and Mace own Maul, so to make for a more interesting analysis, let's switch it----

Dooku and Mace duke it out for a wee bit. Dooku's Makashi being well suited for a one-on-one in a setting with narrow walkways. Mace's Vaapad wil eventually kick in aaaannnd.... obviously.

Maul and Obi-Wan would be fun. The deadliest Sith apprentice with his double-bladed Juyo against the Soresu god. I really can't see who would win that, but if Mace defeats Dooku before Sidious defeats Yoda, then Kenobi will be spared.


I put it down to whether Mace defeats Dooku in time enough to NOT be tag-teamed by Sidious, whom I feel will beat Yoda here.

Mace>Sidious
Yoda>Ct. Dooku
Obi-Wan>Darth Maul

Well considering the fact that Dooku has beaten Mace before, and was one of only two people to be able to do so, and that he has only become more powerful as a Sith, I say he beats him again to help kill either of the other Jedi. He pwns Kenobi with the force, or helps tag team Yoda.

Sidious was doing pretty well against Yoda and eventually got the upper-hand. Say what you will, but at the end of the fight, it was Yoda who fled. However they are noted to be each other's equal, so help from another one of the strongest sith should only help defeat Yoda.

Maul, being one of the deadliest sith apprentices in history, should be able to at least hold Kenobi off until help arrives. Kenobi's excellent on defense, but offense... I don't know. He could do nothing against Dooku, or Anakin (until Anakin acted stupid), nor could he do anything against Maul really (until he acted stupid - notice a trend here?). GG, yea, he got him, but had to kill him with a blaster. Maul's just a beast..

I gotta give it to the Sith. Not terribly easy at all, but they take it.

Sorry for double post. The Edit wouldn't work right.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Mace>Sidious
Yoda>Ct. Dooku
Obi-Wan>Darth Maul
First off, Mace does not > Sidious. There were circumstances surrounding that fight. And it was pivotal in turning Anakin.

However, if you want to look at it that way, then:
Dooku>OB1
Sidious=Yoda
Maul< Mace, but is good enough with a saber to last long enough til Dooku wtfpwns OB1.

Either way, Sith win.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Well considering the fact that Dooku has beaten Mace before, and was one of only two people to be able to do so, and that he has only become more powerful as a Sith, I say he beats him again to help kill either of the other Jedi. He pwns Kenobi with the force, or helps tag team Yoda.


Mace Windu managed to beat Sidious in a duel, mainly due to his Vapaad/shatterpoint/superconducting loop. Dooku beat Mace Windu when Dooku was still a jedi, so Mace's Vapaad wouldn't have had the anti-sith bonus. And I don't think that Mace mastered shatterpoint/superconducting loop yet. Now however, Dooku is a sith, and therefore Mace's vapaad/s/sl will be taken into effect, and he beat Dooku. Afterall, he beat SIDIOUS.

****!! I hate agreeing with Noez.

But yeah, Subjekt, Mace can definitely take Dooku.

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
****!! I hate agreeing with Noez.

But yeah, Subjekt, Mace can definitely take Dooku.

This is just pure bias. You hate agreeing with me, even when I'm right! You should judge based on what someone says/argues, not based on who they are.

Anyway, yeah; team 1 wins comfortably.

Here, you can only judge someone on what they say or argue...

Originally posted by Slash_KMC
****!! I hate agreeing with Noez.

But yeah, Subjekt, Mace can definitely take Dooku.




I'm not sure about that.

There are scads of sources equating the two...

Originally posted by Red Nemesis



I'm not sure about that.

There are scads of sources equating the two...

Mace Windu beat SIDIOUS

Has Dooku done anything that rivals the above feat?

this is insanely close. Because I'm completely biased, I'm going with team 1.

But I could see how team two wins this.

Although, I'm pretty sure (and I dunno why) that Obi beats Maul. Although Obi won because of a fluke... but he was a padawan then, and got stronger when...

although putting into account the place where they are fighting..

I just don't know... >>. *waits for everyone to post arguments and just follows*

If Kenobi squares off with Maul (which is very likely as the other two are far above his level) then it is unlikely that Maul will be killed quickly. Kenobi's style capitalizes on others' mistakes. Maul, a 'high level master' of many forms, and a practitioner of Juyo skilled enough to give Sidious pause (even if only for a moment) is unlikely to make such a mistake quickly.

Yoda and Sidious is questionable, but I'd be very comfortable with Yoda losing this. His style is noted to be hampered in such conditions? (Which is dumb- wouldn't having extra surfaces for him to jump off of help? Esp. Since he's so small? whatev)

Mace vs. Dooku is not easy to call. I'm really tempted to default to Mace (just 'cuz) but Dooku is noted to be an equal time and time again. I don't see shatterpoint picking up a technique related weakness (considering how good Dooku is and how long he's had to master his style) so that puts it a bit outside the realm of a tactical advantage. Will Vaapad help?

This is also questionable. Dooku knew of it, especially since he tooled quite easily. The technical aspect will therefore not be too unknown. Will the 'loop come into play? Dooku uses the Force to buff himself, so it is possible. The way he uses it is a lot different though. The Ep. III book implies that it is an aloof and contemptuous link with which he powers himself. Not vindictive or particularly emotional. This might make it difficult to get "traction" to reflect back at him.

I am very tempted to call the two equal.


I'm siding with team two.

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Originally posted by Red Nemesis
If Kenobi squares off with Maul (which is very likely as the other two are far above his level) then it is unlikely that Maul will be killed quickly. Kenobi's style capitalizes on others' mistakes. Maul, a 'high level master' of many forms, and a practitioner of Juyo skilled enough to give Sidious pause (even if only for a moment) is unlikely to make such a mistake quickly.

Yoda and Sidious is questionable, but I'd be very comfortable with Yoda losing this. His style is noted to be hampered in such conditions? (Which is dumb- wouldn't having extra surfaces for him to jump off of help? Esp. Since he's so small? whatev)

Mace vs. Dooku is not easy to call. I'm really tempted to default to Mace (just 'cuz) but Dooku is noted to be an equal time and time again. I don't see shatterpoint picking up a technique related weakness (considering how good Dooku is and how long he's had to master his style) so that puts it a bit outside the realm of a tactical advantage. Will Vaapad help?

This is also questionable. Dooku knew of it, especially since he tooled quite easily. The technical aspect will therefore not be too unknown. Will the 'loop come into play? Dooku uses the Force to buff himself, so it is possible. The way he uses it is a lot different though. The Ep. III book implies that it is an aloof and contemptuous link with which he powers himself. Not vindictive or particularly emotional. This might make it difficult to get "traction" to reflect back at him.

I am very tempted to call the two equal.


I'm siding with team two.

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True, the fight might last for quite a while, although Maul has been shown to get overconfident quickly.

Yoda and Sidious will probably last for a very long while, and no the enclosed space isn't as much of a hamper given Yoda's small frame, meaning that he still has quite a bit of space to move around it.

Did Sora Bulq know shatterpoint? Shatterpoint doesn't come with Vapaad; Luke, Caedus and later Jaina all learned it without learning Vapaad. And Mace's greatest feat is defeating SIDIOUS. Has Dooku done any feat that comes close to that?

Why side with team 2? Based on your conclusions Obi Wan barely > Maul (true), Yoda = Sidious (true) and Dooku = Mace (not true, Mace > Dooku). So based off of this team 1 wins.

pshaw.


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But team two is better.

I don't understand where you're coming from RH. If Vaapad was one of the two deciding factors in Mace's defeat of Sidious, then why wouldn't it be a deciding factor in someone slightly less skilled?

Because Vaapad is so sporadically useful. Against Sidious it helped boost Mace to things he wouldn't have been able to do himself. This is a unique effect. I'm not sure we can just say "IT IS SUPER EFFECTIVE AGAINST DARKSIDERS" when it might have been a quirk of how Sidious used the Force.

Without the automatic 'MACE BEATS DARKSIDERS' point I'm not sure that he can take Dooku.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Because Vaapad is so sporadically useful. Against Sidious it helped boost Mace to things he wouldn't have been able to do himself. This is a unique effect. I'm not sure we can just say "IT IS SUPER EFFECTIVE AGAINST DARKSIDERS" when it might have been a quirk of how Sidious used the Force.

Without the automatic 'MACE BEATS DARKSIDERS' point I'm not sure that he can take Dooku.

But it IS super effective against dark siders. A better argument would be that the more powerful the opponent in the dark side, the easier it is for Mace to use Vaapad. Seeing as how Dooku is nowhere near Sidious' level of dark side knowledge, Vaapad MAY not be as useful.

I've done that one already. I've got it canned and linked from project holocron. If I wanted to do that I would.

I want to look at why it is defaulted strong against DSrs instead of strong against SIDIOUS. I'm looking at the book now and it looks like it is based on emotions?







Clearly more analysis will be necessary to make this a workable position, but it really changes the way Mace defaults out of vs fights.

Which would be good.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I've done that one already. I've got it canned and linked from project holocron. If I wanted to do that I would.

I want to look at why it is defaulted strong against DSrs instead of strong against SIDIOUS. I'm looking at the book now and it looks like it is based on emotions?







Clearly more analysis will be necessary to make this a workable position, but it really changes the way Mace defaults out of vs fights.

Which would be good.

To me, the concept of a superconducting loop seems to deal with the power of the dark side user. The more power, the more effective the superconducting loop is. It seems rather simple.

But I've made that argument. Why not do something different?

KMC will be even more boring if it turns into this:
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That's what my reusing that argument will make.

What's wrong with that argument? Is it not based on logic? Superconducting loop. More effective dark sider=more effective superconducting loop. Where's the flaw in that logic?

Nothing is wrong with the one that I usually use. That you suggested it proves that I've won it.

So I'm moving on. New argument. This way I know I have a good opponent too!

But srsly. If all we do is reuse old arguments why are we still here? We can write a basic algorithm to display links to newbies and leave. And that doesn't sound like fun. Thus: NEW ARGUMENTS WILL BE USED

What has Dooku done to suggest he is on par with Mace who beat Sidious? Beat Kenobi? Beat Anakin 1X, Lost to Anakin, Lost to Yoda in 30 seconds, then Ran. Lost to Yoda on a planet where he is completely steeped in the dark side, and runs away again.

I don't see what Dooku has done to even put him on that level, besides what he says about himself. Love dooku, and maybe i'm forgetting something, but it doesn't seem like he should be able to win against Mace or Yoda, almost ever.

Team 1 wins because those puppets are on their side. Well, he Voldemort one is.







Obi-Wans Soresu would let him defend against Dooku or Maul for at least a minute, which as I see it Dooku would target Kenobi in his arrogance, Yoda goes after Sidious, and Mace kills Maul in 5 seconds. Then Dooku dies. All the time Yoda and Sidious have been fighting, Sidious wasnt aware of his allies dying, so he gets stabbed in the back ir something.

Find a new argument for Vaapad then RH. The old one is sound and works the best.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
pshaw.


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But team two is better.

No way. Digimon has a better storyline, characters, humor, animation and is waaay smarter.

Oh, and team 1 is better.

Both Digimon and Pokemon are equally retarded.

Originally posted by Autokrat
Both Digimon and Pokemon are equally retarded.

Indeed.

@Gideon

Mace Windu beat Darth Sidious.

Repeat, Mace Windu beat Darth Sidious.

Dooku has yet to demonstrate any feat that matches the above.

I know it's by no means up to me, so I'm not claiming that it is, but i absolutely HATE the Vaapad crap. Somehow it allows him to beat any darkside user, period. If that were the case, then he should have pwned all the Sith single handedly. I won't even start the whole "Sidious went easy to turn Anakin" debate, cause it will never end, and I'm not even sure which way I'm leaning towards on that. I've heard great arguments from both sides, and cant remember if there's been anything definitive come out about it.

Anyway, about the Dooku beating Mace thing back in the day... You can say that Mace hadn't mastered his style yet, but by the same token it was said about Dooku that, "he was one of the most powerful Jedi in the order's 25,000 year history, and an even greater Sith." So one would think that would even the playing field (also given with Gideon's above post).

I just don't see how shatterpoint and Vaapad guarantee an unequivocal victory over any dark side opponent.

EDIT:
@Gideon

Mace Windu beat Darth Sidious.

Repeat, Mace Windu beat Darth Sidious.

Dooku has yet to demonstrate any feat that matches the above.

A>B>C's are crap. Also, who lived to take over the galaxy? Sure as hell wasn't Mace.

Hewhoknowsall
@Gideon

Oh, Jesus.

I should learn to trust my infallible instincts; giving you another chance is about as wise as letting Michael Jackson run a Daycare center.



You're a treasure chest of useless trivia, aren't you?



Thanks for the repeat, I didn't catch it the first time. Or all those times I watched the movie.



A>B>C arguments don't work around here. 'Til you provide an actual case as to why that's relevant, running around saying LOLZ MACE BEAT SIDZ doesn't matter.

Leave the arguing to McBeefington and move on.

Now.

@Gideon

I'm trying not to use ABC. I'm saying that Mace beat Sidious, which is a very very impressive FEAT.

And another very impressive, possibly MORE impressive feat: beating hundreds of thousands of super battle droids with his BARE HANDS, dodging lasers, destroying a giant flying hammer thingy, leaping hundreds, maybe thousands of feet into the air, turning super battle droids into tiny pieces of dust with a gesture, and knocking thousands of super battle droids back with a gesture...all WITHOUT BREAKING A SWEAT.

"oh that's not relevant!" I thought that feats are what we're supposed to use. What else?

Hewhoknowsall
@Gideon

I'm trying not to use ABC. I'm saying that Mace beat Sidious, which is a very very impressive FEAT.

It doesn't matter. You used it in the manner of an ABC argument, which is considerable in its stupidity. Mace Windu defeated Palpatine under a specific set of circumstances; to anyone with a modicum of knowledge on the issue, it is recognized that another engagement between the two might have ended differently, given Sidious's superior command of the Force. It was only due to his submersion in Vaapad and the shatterpoint charism that Windu was able to hand a victory; Sidious possesses the skill and power to disable him with the Force or, if he's lucky, overpower him through superior speed and agility before Windu submerges into Vaapad.

Windu did not best him through superior power or even, necessarily, superior skill. Dark Rendezvous outright states, if you bothered to read what I quoted, that Windu and Dooku were "equals" on even ground.

Originally posted by Gideon
It doesn't matter. You used it in the manner of an ABC argument, which is considerable in its stupidity. Mace Windu defeated Palpatine under a specific set of circumstances; to anyone with a modicum of knowledge on the issue, it is recognized that another engagement between the two might have ended differently, given Sidious's superior command of the Force. It was only due to his submersion in Vaapad and the shatterpoint charism that Windu was able to hand a victory; Sidious possesses the skill and power to disable him with the Force or, if he's lucky, overpower him through superior speed and agility before Windu submerges into Vaapad.

Windu did not best him through superior power or even, necessarily, superior skill. Dark Rendezvous outright states, if you bothered to read what I quoted, that Windu and Dooku were "equals" on even ground.

True. But if he beat Sidious beacuse of Vapaad and shatterpoint, then what stops him from doing the same to Dooku? Mace is no slouch in the Force, so Dooku can't just quickly disable him that way. Sure they may be equals, but then you have to take into account Vapaad/shatterpoint.

And you ignored the part about Mace Windu soloing hundreds of thousands of droids and a giant flying hammer using his bare fists and without even trying.

Originally posted by Gideon
Windu did not best him through superior power or even, necessarily, superior skill. Dark Rendezvous outright states, if you bothered to read what I quoted, that Windu and Dooku were "equals" on even ground.
It's quite interestin, actually.


By using the word "but", it is explicitly stated that Dooku > Windu on Vjun. However, people seem to scream out "VAAPAD!!11" everytime Windu fights a darksider, saying that it would negate the opponent's boosts.
That, however, doesn't seem to be the case, since the quote outright states otherwise.

Or am I missing something?

That's a very interesting argument.

I shall think more about it and consult ze books.

Nice find.

Originally posted by Autokrat
Both Digimon and Pokemon are equally retarded.

haturz

First of all, this fight isn't on Vjun

Second of all, how do you know that by "equal" they mean in a fight, or just in skill? It makes sense that they're both about equal in terms of ability, but Mace's Vapaad sort of works at a "stat booster", so in a fight Mace will have the advantage, like how he beat Darth Sidious, THE most powerful sith lord of all time.

Third, even if Mace = Dooku, team 1 still wins. Sidious can't really take advantage of his environment here any more than Yoda can, Obi Wan likely beats Maul, and Mace apparently fight Dooku on even footing.

Ok, then in essence, the teams are equal except for Maul and OB1, and Maul is OB1's superior. Then you have 3 on 2... game over.

And goddamn it!!! I wish you would think before you posted. If its said that they are equal, they are already taking in account shatterpoint and vaapad. That would be the equalizer for Dooku's 8 decades of training and force mastery.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Ok, then in essence, the teams are equal except for Maul and OB1, and Maul is OB1's superior. Then you have 3 on 2... game over.

And goddamn it!!! I wish you would think before you posted. If its said that they are equal, they are already taking in account shatterpoint and vaapad. That would be the equalizer for Dooku's 8 decades of training and force mastery.

I would say Kenobi is Maul's superior, so then you have 3 on 2, game over for the sith, otherwise, QFT.

How exactly is OB1 his superior? Cause he mastered a defensive technique?

i explained this argument in the other thread with the same points Subject. could copy paste, but what would be the point?

Originally posted by truejedi
i explained this argument in the other thread with the same points Subject. could copy paste, but what would be the point? *Subjekt. And that's Darth Subjekt to you.

Originally posted by mattatom
*Subjekt. And that's Darth Subjekt to you. [/QU

The Naboo generator room is where Maul fought, right?

Yoda would beat Sidious 5.5/10, Yoda was winning and Sidious just got the upper ground and threw senate pods, in a duel which this will likely come to Yoda wins. And he has shown to be able to reflect Sidious's Force Lightning

Mace Windu would beat Dooku, again this area is saber centered, and Dooku's lightning (or at least in the movies) is sort of pathetic, and has Dooku shown all that good TK?

Obi Wan beats Maul, or at least holds him off with his Soresu.

Dooku was a master at TK.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
The Naboo generator room is where Maul fought, right?

Yoda would beat Sidious 5.5/10, Yoda was winning and Sidious just got the upper ground and threw senate pods, in a duel which this will likely come to Yoda wins. And he has shown to be able to reflect Sidious's Force LightningFor how long?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Mace Windu would beat Dooku, again this area is saber centered, and Dooku's lightning (or at least in the movies) is sort of pathetic, and has Dooku shown all that good TK?Ja.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Obi Wan beats Maul, or at least holds him off with his Soresu. Beating Maul and holding him off are two completely different things.

I say Obi-Wan could beat maul and possibly Dooku because in ROTS, Sidious says to Grievous: "Soon I will have a more powerful apprentice," yet Obi Wan bet Anakin, his "more powerful apprentice" on Mustafar. But then again in AOTC Dooku beats Obi-Wan and Anakin.

Originally posted by truejedi
Originally posted by mattatom
*Subjekt. And that's Darth Subjekt to you. WTF did I do to you? I didn't post that shit. Why give me the sick look?


Originally posted by Raptor 7789
I say Obi-Wan could beat maul and possibly Dooku because in ROTS, Sidious says to Grievous: "Soon I will have a more powerful apprentice," yet Obi Wan bet Anakin, his "more powerful apprentice" on Mustafar. But then again in AOTC Dooku beats Obi-Wan and Anakin.
What the hell are you talking about? You couldn't even get the quote correct, and we're supposed to take you seriously? Go home.
He says, "Soon I will have a new apprentice. One far younger and more powerful." Anakin was more powerful than OB1 and only lost cause he wasn't thinking clearly after just joining the darkside, being blinded by this new power and rage and regretting everything that he's done (hence the crying scene). That was a circumstantial victory anyways.

Maul was forged to be the perfect tool for the darkside. He was one of the deadliest Sith apprentices in history. And OB1 got curb stomped (that's right, I said it!) by Dooku not once, but twice. A>B>C arguments don't work around here.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
WTF did I do to you? I didn't post that shit. Why give me the sick look?



nope the sick look was to the other guy. for being bossy! but i was just kidding anyway. Subjekt, you only get nice smilies from me!!

kisses

You can at least address me by my name, since you know it. I wasn't being bossy just helpful.

i hit quote without looking who you were mattatom. I almost put your name, but I couldn't remember for sure that it was YOU who had said it.

And i was just kidding anyway.

Lol, one sick smiley face, and all hell breaks loose!

Originally posted by truejedi
i hit quote without looking who you were mattatom. I almost put your name, but I couldn't remember for sure that it was YOU who had said it.

And i was just kidding anyway.

Lol, one sick smiley face, and all hell breaks loose! You should check before you quote! Edit button?

I gathered that much.

Proof that Obi Wan > Maul?

Proof that Anakin > Obi Wan?

@Lucien

"for how long?" Yoda caught the lightning with his bare hands and overpowered Sidious. You can tell because at the end of their Force-tug-of-war Sidious starts going like "ah!!" and his face turns to that of fear. Both of them got knocked back.

So it's proven that Yoda is indeed capable of reflecting Sidious's lightning back at him. And in this enclosed space, it will go down to a saber fight, not a Force fight.

Although it isn't certain who's better at sabers, Yoda or Sidious.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
"for how long?" Yoda caught the lightning with his bare hands and overpowered Sidious. You can tell because at the end of their Force-tug-of-war Sidious starts going like "ah!!" and his face turns to that of fear. Both of them got knocked back.

So it's proven that Yoda is indeed capable of reflecting Sidious's lightning back at him. And in this enclosed space, it will go down to a saber fight, not a Force fight.

Although it isn't certain who's better at sabers, Yoda or Sidious. By "how long" I meant "how often could that happen." The RotS duel shows Yoda breaking that stalemate and sending both him and Palpatine flying. But unfortunately for Yoda, his age and Ataru drained him and it wasn't enough to keep him going, unlike Palpatine. Even if a rematch changed in Yoda's environmental favour, if Palpatine holds on long enough or Lightning's things up a bit, a rotunda-repeat could very well happen.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
By "how long" I meant "how often could that happen." The RotS duel shows Yoda breaking that stalemate and sending both him and Palpatine flying. But unfortunately for Yoda, his age and Ataru drained him and it wasn't enough to keep him going, unlike Palpatine. Even if a rematch changed in Yoda's environmental favour, if Palpatine holds on long enough or Lightning's things up a bit, a rotunda-repeat could very well happen.

How LONG =/= How often

Wasn't enough to keep him going? Huh? Yoda just was unlucky and fell off. Since Sidious had the high ground, Yoda decided that the battle was lost and fled.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
How LONG =/= How often Oh Christ, don't start arguing grammatical semantics with me, boy.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Wasn't enough to keep him going? Huh? Yoda just was unlucky and fell off. Since Sidious had the high ground, Yoda decided that the battle was lost and fled. Read.

And scroll down to "By allowing the Force to flow throughout their body, they could overcome their physical limitations (including old age, as was the case with Master Yoda) and perform amazing feats of acrobatics, such as somersaults and backflips, not only for attack, but also to evade the attacks and strikes of their opponents."

And then:

"This form was also considered not as effective for prolonged combat, as the nature of Ataru could greatly tax the body. Fatigue was theorized to have been a contributing factor in Qui-Gon Jinn's defeat at the hands of Darth Maul."

The Rots novelization even stated that Sidious grew stronger as Yoda grew weaker. No doubt due to Ataru's taxing effects on the body.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Proof that Obi Wan > Maul?

Every1 is krankee 2dei!

To hwkellsawouhbvab... whatever your name is... as far as Anakin > OB1.. GL said it when describing that fight. The quote is something like, "At this time in Sith, Anakin is the most powerful Jedi. OB1 just has more experience." It's somewhere in the special features. I'd love to go look it up for you, but I'm sure you have the movie and if you want the proof, you know where to start looking.

I'm still waiting for a response to my post from He. I know he was online and posting after 10pm, so what the hell?

He could be away eating dinner or doing hw or something... or if hes not a student or studying in some way, maybe hes busy with family stuff? or idk maybe other things. but u can't expect ppl to post constantly... lol


so whats up guys?

I'm guessing ur bedtime is at like 4 hrs ago?

Originally posted by kotorfan
He could be away eating dinner or doing hw or something... or if hes not a student or studying in some way, maybe hes busy with family stuff? or idk maybe other things. but u can't expect ppl to post constantly... lol I doubt it. He can post miscellaneous crap on other threads six hours after I last responded to him, but he doesn't respond back? He likes to ignore posts that defeat his points. Ugh.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
I doubt it. He can post miscellaneous crap on other threads six hours after I last responded to him, but he doesn't respond back? He likes to ignore posts that defeat his points. Ugh. Like DS?

Exactly like DS.

Yea except the people that claim I do this have never defeated me in an argument, instead electing to play "I know you are but what am I", and lying to themselves

mattatom
Like DS?

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Yea except the people that claim I do this have never defeated me in an argument, instead electing to play "I know you are but what am I", and lying to themselves The reason why people never technically 'defeat' you in an argument is because you never argue the same points they do as you know you'll lose. Instead you argue enterely new points and when you start losing that argument, you change again. The reason why your 'never defeated' is because no argument with you is ever finished as you avoid it. No I may not have 'defeated' you, but then I never debate, i'm a spectator, I can see this happen. Hell, even half the people in here can see it happening, incuding people who have actually technically defeated you.

times infinity infinity times to the infinitieth power infinity times.

Originally posted by mattatom
The reason why people never technically 'defeat' you in an argument is because you never argue the same points they do as you know you'll lose. Instead you argue enterely new points and when you start losing that argument, you change again. The reason why your 'never defeated' is because no argument with you is ever finished as you avoid it. No I may not have 'defeated' you, but then I never debate, i'm a spectator, I can see this happen. Hell, even half the people in here can see it happening, incuding people who have actually technically defeated you.



prove up or shut up.

And I never said people don't defeat me, I just said those that claim I ignore them because of their points, are the ones that can't defeat me in a debate. But of course you're going to prove it....Right?

Your just in denial. The reason they don't defeat you is because you always change the damn topic of the argument. I don't need to prove it since it's painfully obvious to see even someone like me who hasn't been here for long.

Originally posted by mattatom
Your just in denial. The reason they don't defeat you is because you always change the damn topic of the argument. I don't need to prove it since it's painfully obvious to see even someone like me who hasn't been here for long.

Right. I rest my case. Btw, you're accusing me of switching topics or ignoring points that would defeat me when...You...Did...Just...That..


In the words of Gideon.... Pot.Kettle.Black.

Thanks for making a fool out of yourself. But please continue with your "I don't need to prove it because everyone sees!!!" argument.

I'm sorry. I can't let this happen.







Oh he clearly switched topics.

And this?

This is laughable. And false. And delusional and self-aggrandizing.

Stop it.

I beat you. You refused to respond.

Advent beat you. You gave a big 'NUH UH' and didn't respond.

Faunus rapes you routinely. I guess you're used to it and barely notice it anymore.

Gideon owns your soul.

You make it a point not to respond when you're losing, or when you haven't got better debaters to come rescue you. Your arrogance here is totally baseless.

lol. I like being a spectator. Its fun watching the events unfold and seeing the reactions.

Also, QFP.It's a defense mechanism!

*ba-dum, pssshhh*

Also, this is hilarious. pun wut? You people make congestion and headaches go away better than, like, morphine.

Actually Advent sent me a nice PM

Sorry RH, I didn't refuse to respond. I know you're not big on memory or reading comprehension, but I conceded because I didn't want to do the research. That's not a refusal to respond.

Faunus? The last time and only time he beat me was the Maul Obiwan argument, before he went on his "tdtd" tirade and got shot down badly, where now he's just irrelevant on this forum.

So once again RH, your memory is quite hazy(no surprise).

Oh wait, I'm still waiting for you to show me where I didn't respond when I was losing? Go ahead. This should be hilarious.

And while we are at it, show me where people have to come rescue me. You mean when others agree with me? OH NOES! In that case, when someone supports you, they're rescuing you! Rofl

Oh last but not least. I thought this would be so obvious for RH that I forgot to add it.

Scenario: mattadom tells me I engage in something. I tell him to prove it. He tells me he doesn't have to because everybody knows.

Your response was that...I am dodging the accusation?

W.O.W

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Oh last but not least. I thought this would be so obvious for RH that I forgot to add it.

Scenario: mattadom tells me I engage in something. I tell him to prove it. He tells me he doesn't have to because everybody knows.

Your response was that...I am dodging the accusation?

W.O.W
Scenario: DS gets called on some BS. Thinking quickly, he invents a silly position for his opponent to take and argues against it. The criticism is safely hidden in pages of (pitiful) attempts at insults from DS and valid confusion on the part of the mark.

Crisis averted.


Go ahead DS. Find where I said you were dodging the accusation. I dare you. It sure would be nice to see a valid argument from you.

But we wont. There are two reasons for this:
1. That you are simply incapable of constructing or validating a valid argument.
2. That I have not accused you of dodging Matt's criticism.



DS:
"..."

*crickets*


DS:
"...

*crickets*


NO U"
Also:




Nai then proceeds to tear you apart. Gideon helps.


http://s1.zetaboards.com/Project_Eden/topic/1560496/5/
The first two posts.
You had been doing a "piss poor job" of making an argument. Gideon comes in and makes an argument that supports you and you instantly fall into line as his lapdog. You become absolutely mute on the topic, instead sniping at MC about Hitler. I then proceed to demolish that position too. Gideon doesn't save you on that one so Valerian does it.

The entire thread was one failure after another for you.


There isn't a good example here on KMC because no one likes you enough to do it. Gideon routinely beats you (see above) and doesn't care enough about any of these fights to pull you out of the holes you dig yourself. Face it- you're a joke. At least Nebaris can make a coherent argument. In fact, the only person I've seen try to help you on KMC is Nebaris himself:











Ergo:










RH, you'll have your response by the time you're back.

Well then.

LMAO!!!

Rrrrrape.

I have to admit; DS has me with the "relevance" issue. I am a capable debater, of which this forum has several. He, on the other hand, is quite indisputably the forum's biggest joke. It's bad enough that so few people like or are willing to interact with him that he has to turn to openly conversing with Nebaris against the repeated demands of a moderator to reassure himself of his "confidence in kicking ass," but to be mocked by over a dozen different people in four days regarding his incompetency?

I can't touch that.

Originally posted by Eminence
Rrrrrape.

I have to admit; DS has me with the "relevance" issue. I am a capable debater, of which this forum has several. He, on the other hand, is quite indisputably the forum's biggest joke. It's bad enough that so few people like or are willing to interact with him that he has to turn to openly conversing with Nebaris against the repeated demands of a moderator to reassure himself of his "confidence in kicking ass," but to be mocked by over a dozen different people in four days regarding his incompetency?

I can't touch that. Chuck Norris could.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Scenario: DS gets called on some BS. Thinking quickly, he invents a silly position for his opponent to take and argues against it. The criticism is safely hidden in pages of (pitiful) attempts at insults from DS and valid confusion on the part of the mark.


But we wont. There are two reasons for this:
1. That you are simply incapable of constructing or validating a valid argument.
2. That I have not accused you of dodging Matt's criticism.
This would make sense had I not won a single argument in 3 years. Since you and I know this is incorrect, I will chalk this up as an error in your research due to your personal feelings for me(ahahah)






I'm waiting... And as I recall, you agreed with me in the Revan issue as I wasn't making a case for a combat scenario, so you look absolutely retarded with this contradiction. I wasn't losing, it's quite the opposite, and I didn't have to respond because it was irrelevant to he argument. Try again



Did I ever state Gideon never defeated me in a debate? In fact it was YOUR contention that I don't concede.



Ah yes, the "nobody likes you" routine. What more could I expect from someone that makes a rant about how the word "homosexual" is used? Gideon routinely beats me? Do you know what "routinely" means? Stop embarrassing yourself.












You claimed I refused to respond. I claimed that I wasn't going to do the research. Having a problem remembering?

Originally posted by Eminence
Rrrrrape.

I have to admit; DS has me with the "relevance" issue. I am a capable debater, of which this forum has several. He, on the other hand, is quite indisputably the forum's biggest joke. It's bad enough that so few people like or are willing to interact with him that he has to turn to openly conversing with Nebaris against the repeated demands of a moderator to reassure himself of his "confidence in kicking ass," but to be mocked by over a dozen different people in four days regarding his incompetency?

I can't touch that.

Yes, the forum's biggest joke. This coming from someone who's tried to call me out as being tdtd, failed miserably, then went to Janus' forum and did the same thing? Over a dozen people? Really? Somebody doesn't know how to count.

I must say Faunus, you've lost your touch. Instead of sounding confident you go right for the "LOLZ NOBODY LIKES YOU ON THE FORUM" issue, and exaggerating it. I can count on one hand how many people responded to you "tdtd" crusade. Is it any wonder you don't do much on this forum anymore?

Maybe you can amuse the rest of this forum once again with a 3rd TDTD crusade? It would definitely make you more useful.

Come on guys, the best you could come up with is an exaggeration of "nobody likes you"? Sad indeed.

http://www.cnycentral.com/uploadedImages/wstm/News/Stories/ElNino.jpg

It's so easy to argue with Faunus and RH when they're fuming and I'm not. I'll make assertions that are easy to prove.

1. I win arguments
2. I lose arguments
3. When I lose, I eventually concede
4. I've lost more than I won
5. RH and Faunus are hilarious when they try so hard
6. I'm an *******

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
It's so easy to argue with Faunus and RH when they're fuming and I'm not. I'll make assertions that are easy to prove.

1. I win arguments
2. I lose arguments
3. When I lose, I eventually concede
4. I've lost more than I won
5. RH and Faunus are hilarious when they try so hard
6. I'm an *******


7.
8. PROFIT!

Originally posted by mattatom
7.
8. PROFIT!



http://www.sidfaiwu.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/question_mark_3d.png

Just thought I'd contribute something useless for once.

Originally posted by mattatom
Just thought I'd contribute something useless for once.

You can feel free to call me an *******, as long as it's relevant.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
You can feel free to call me an *******, as long as it's relevant. I would never insult someone without due cause...











































Unless it's Hewhoknowsallnothing and SwLegendAsshat.

Pity, I find it rather amusing when people on a forum tell me that "nobody on this forum likes you!"

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Pity, I find it rather amusing when people on a forum tell me that "nobody on this forum likes you!" *whispers discretely* I like you!

Sex or nothing

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Sex or nothing
Either way its gunna cost ya

I'll pay you in US Dollars..They're pretty much worthless now.

Thats acceptable now only to negotiate a fee.

DS
Over a dozen people? Really? Somebody doesn't know how to count.



Over a dozen people.

Really.

Originally posted by Eminence




Over a dozen people.

Really.

so much ownage in that post.

I had a lot to work with.

Originally posted by Eminence
I had a lot to work with.

::igh:::
Desperation at its finest. It's just sad that Faunus doesn't understand the concept of "making fun of". Even if you reach, you still don't hit a dozen, which is ok.

Then again, LL wasn't referring to me, one guy said LMAO, one girl apologized via PM, and you're back to...Do the math college boy. I'm sure you're taking College Algebra

While you are at it, tell me how many of those are actually credible human beings
I'm afraid LS is still heated from getting his ass kicked while arguing economics, and TJ is still heated from the Revan debate. Gideon and I are always on good terms even when we argue, which leaves us with you and RH, aka irrelevant

You're getting way too easy Faunus. Its time you try something else. But you're right about one thing, definitely a lot of ownage ROFL.

Who the goddamn fvcking hell is RH?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Who the goddamn fvcking hell is RH?

YOU are you fruit medley. I started calling you RH inadvertedly and it just sort of....stuck... I can't imagine calling you RN...

LAWL WTF Y R U RESPONDIN IN LIEK 30 SECONDS U PATHETIC ILLITERATE MONGOLOID*!?!?!?






































That everyone flames

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
Who the goddamn fvcking hell is RH?

i think that is Beefy's moniker for you. Remember me asking him in the Revan thread who RH is?

He didn't answer...

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
LAWL WTF Y R U RESPONDIN IN LIEK 30 SECONDS U PATHETIC ILLITERATE MONGOLOID*!?!?!?
That everyone flames



Yea...everyone....ROFL


You're a homosexual.

*Hopes RH doesn't go on a 1-2 page tirade about how it is wrong to use the word homosexual freely.*

The word you are looking for is *your*

Your a homosexual.


D-bag

Originally posted by truejedi
i think that is Beefy's moniker for you. Remember me asking him in the Revan thread who RH is?

He didn't answer...

Please show us where this is. Is it at the same place where you supposedly won the debate? LOL

Silence RH, you're irrelevant.

Mattatom, Glentract, Nebaris, Wolverine, and Exodus... you guys don't count as numbers. When you guys = 5, 7 = 2.

Seriously, ask DS. He worked up to college algebra!

Originally posted by Eminence
Silence RH, you're irrelevant.

Mattatom, Glentract, Nebaris, Wolverine, and Exodus... you guys don't count as numbers. When you guys = 5, 7 = 2.

Seriously, ask DS. He worked up to college algebra!

Listen to Faunus. He thinks LMAO is "making fun of". He also thinks HWKA=Darth Sexy. Gotta love that logic. Hopefully Faunus doesn't flunk out his first semester.

Edit: Btw I didn't want to point this out to Faunus because I Think he suffered enough with his math but.....When you start with 8...12 would be the 5th day. Just thought I'd throw that out for you college boy.

DS
Listen to Faunus.QFP.

Sorry Faunus, I didn't mean to cause you your 2nd epic fail in 2 months. Next time either back up your BS or don't type In any case I forgive you. You'll be all grown up after your first semester of college(provided you leave your dorm)!

I'm not sure why my being in college is all of a sudden a point of ridicule. Given that you log on to get your ass handed to you by people almost a decade your junior, one would think you'd try to abstain from referencing my age.

I am curious, though; what "BS" haven't I "back up"?

Btw RH this is for you...How do you go from:

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
This is a pet peeve of mine: Declaring victory seems like a weak way to go about an argument. DS, you've used this tactic, Gideon has used it, and now TJ has too. The decision of a victor is quite clearly not up to you- one engaged in debate is hardly the most objective source.

As best as I can understand it, TJ has demanded that you substantiate the learning Revan acquired on Malachor and Korriban. (Sp?) You have refused.

This is wise, since that is impossible at this point. Moreover, your point that we know Revan learned something stands- it is yet another nebulous accolade for Legend to throw up.

We know he's powerful. We know he learned from Malachor.

What we do not know is how powerful, or what he learned. This is why we don't use him in threads.

From my position the score stands like this:
DS: point for backing Revan- we know that he grew powerful from these finds
TJ: point for pointing out that the power is unquantified and unusable on KMC

DS seems to have kept his composure a little better, especially since it was TJ that invoked doing it for the lulz as an excuse. Also: the timeline confusion about when Korriban was emptied reflected poorly on his argument. It seems like his contention (that we don't know and can't use what Revan learned) was accurate, but that DS was correct on each issue as it came up.

I'm posting now in order to stem further usage of the phrase 'you're done'. It is insulting to the recipient and makes the speaker look bad. (It is a failing of both patience and ability to respond. Neither of those reflect well.)

Am I missing anything?

And:

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
I'd say DS, simply because TJ's contention is counted as a point of common sense. We know that Revan's power is vague. Allowing a vague feat substantiate a vague powerlevel outside of a match does not seem like a problem to me.

If DS ever tries to use 'plundered Malachor and Korriban' as a feat for Revan in a combat discussion or as a validation for a comparative declaration then we'll have problems.

But he's too smart for that ? God I hope so.

And:
Originally posted by Red Nemesis
No.

You have a nearly infinite pile of things to catalogue. I put a tablet into your hands and tell you to put it on shelf Ab302.7C.7 and then get back here on the double.

Do you stop and read it?

Do you study it?

Do you interact with the gatekeeper?

Yes? Then you just got reprimanded for wasting time.

No? Then you haven't learned anything except where a source of some unspecified knowledge is.

That is what the librarians knew. Nothing more.

To:

And


???

Originally posted by Eminence
I'm not sure why my being in college is all of a sudden a point of ridicule. Given that you log on to get your ass handed to you by people almost a decade your junior, one would think you'd try to abstain from referencing my age.

I am curious, though; what "BS" haven't I "back up"?

Who do I get my ass handed by? You? The guy who spent months calling me tdtd only to utterly fail and hang his head in shame? Or the guy that doesn't understand the concept of a dozen, 4 days, and "making fun of"?

And I'm not ridiculing you for going to college oh smart one. I don't know where you got this idea. Perhaps you're continuing the BS? I'm simply saying that you might become more social in the next 6 months and your attitude is going to change for the better

1. You were both being dicks and the fastest way to end it was to arbitrate. TJ isn't as good as you at flaming (since you get so much practice, especially IRL) and I wanted it to stop.

And so: You get a "gold star" for agreeing with the majority. Who's a special boy!? *Your* a special boy!

Get it?


2. See above: TJ's argument was pointing out that you cannot extrapolate more than what the majority is willing to do. And he was angry.


3. I'm pretty sure that was me disagreeing with stupidity from Alkatrinikljasdf... some guy. I don't acutally read your posts unless something particularly stupid catches my eye or is quoted.


And I like how

Isn't even remotely contradicted (even in appearance) by what you posted. It is this sort of failure that we're trying to help you with.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
1. You were both being dicks and the fastest way to end it was to arbitrate. TJ isn't as good as you at flaming (since you get so much practice, especially IRL) and I wanted it to stop.

And so: You get a "gold star" for agreeing with the majority. Who's a special boy!? *Your* a special boy!

Get it?


2. See above: TJ's argument was pointing out that you cannot extrapolate more than what the majority is willing to do. And he was angry.


3. I'm pretty sure that was me disagreeing with stupidity from Alkatrinikljasdf... some guy. I don't acutally read your posts unless something particularly stupid catches my eye or is quoted.


And I like how

Isn't even remotely contradicted (even in appearance) by what you posted. It is this sort of failure that we're trying to help you with.

ROFL So your only response is that I allegedly agreed with the majority, despite the fact that I made this argument for almost 3 years now? Can you be any more full of shit?? Wow.. You'd fail a lie detector test within minutes. Your response indicated you did INDEED read the whole argument, and agreed that I don't have to list what Revan learned because it wasn't related to a combat scenario. Days later you claim that I didn't respond to Wolverine because I was....Losing? You've definitely entered the "I'm full of shit" category pretty fast.

Edit: And if you don't read my posts as you claim, how can you make the assertion that I either never win an argument, or don't know how to make a valid one?

Full of Shit x2... Please try again.

Also: Your response to Allankles was identical to my librarian analogy. Thanks #1 fan.

http://blogs.mysanantonio.com/weblogs/atlarge/epic_fail.jpg

DS
Who do I get my ass handed by? You?Yeah. You're tdtd. Explain.Explain.
Again, explain. You're doing exactly what Gideon, truejedi, Nemesis, and mattatom accused you of doing.And then I can kick your ass more!

Once more: point out the "BS" that I haven't "back up."

Originally posted by Eminence
Yeah. You're tdtd. Explain.Explain.
Again, explain. You're doing exactly what Gideon, truejedi, Nemesis, and mattatom accused you of doing.And then I can kick your ass more!

Once more: point out the "BS" that I haven't "back up."

Right.. I'm tdtd. Epic fail 1.

I've been made fun of by 12 people in 4 days...Epic fail 2

Do you REALLY need an explanation? Well lets see what the future holds..


Faunus claims A
DS proves B or Faunus fails to prove A
Faunus heads his head in shame and tries the same thing on Janus' forum.
Faunus gets 1 or 2 responses but in a day nobody cares anymore.
Faunus heads his head in shame again.
Faunus then comes back to KMC to troll DS or make some snide comments.
Faunus starts the process all over again.


^Pretty accurate portrayal don't you think cupcake?

DS
Right.. I'm tdtd.QFP. Please point out where I used or referenced another's usage of the term "made fun of."No.

Faunus claims A
Faunus proves A to within all reasonable standards of doubt
DS whines and moans
Faunus lols
Faunus spreads proof of A
Faunus goes to college
Faunus returns to KMC after... three weeks
DS whines and moans



Third time now: what "BS" haven't I "back up"?

Originally posted by Eminence
QFP. Please point out where I used or referenced another's usage of the term "made fun of."No.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mock
Unless of course you think making fun of someone and mocking/ridiculing someone are two different things? LOL. Getting easier

You also forget "Faunus lives in a dream world"
I don't have to whine and moan. Watching you fail constantly is just too funny. I have to say though. After Rex told you to stfu and you had to make up the bit about you and Rex coming to an understanding via PM, was priceless.



For the 3rd time. Twelve people in four days.. This is just getting sad.

DS
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mock
Unless of course you think making fun of someone and mocking/ridiculing someone are two different things? LOL. Getting easier1. Do you see "made fun of" anywhere on that page? No.

2. You don't put vague synonyms in quotations. That's tantamount to lying, aka making shit up. Unless you're one of those asshats who quoted paraphrased blocks of text in English to avoid looking like plagiarists, this shouldn't be a problem. You can request to see it via PM. ...? The "BS" that I haven't "back up"? 12th post down.

Shit, it's been five minutes. I win, you lose, buh-bye. I am the greatest there ever was.

Originally posted by Eminence
1. Do you see "made fun of" anywhere on that page? No.

2. You don't put vague synonyms in quotations. That's tantamount to lying, aka making shit up. Unless you're one of those asshats who quoted paraphrased blocks of text in English to avoid looking like plagiarists, this shouldn't be a problem.
SO what you're saying is, you're back peddling obvious ignorance and semantics. I understand.

Sure I can


Wow..After 1 page of explaining to you how you failed, you respond with...Your initial post??

I must say Faunus, me making you look ridiculous is a rare occasion but this is one of those that I can be proud of. I'm going to give my Darth Vader cut out a high five.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/invishighfive.jpg

I graciously accept your extremely long winded concession.

Originally posted by Eminence
I graciously accept your extremely long winded concession.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
SO what you're saying is, you're back peddling obvious ignorance and semantics. I understand.

Sure I can


Wow..After 1 page of explaining to you how you failed, you respond with...Your initial post??

I must say Faunus, me making you look ridiculous is a rare occasion but this is one of those that I can be proud of. I'm going to give my Darth Vader cut out a high five.

http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/invishighfive.jpg

I'm sorry you and Sir Cat don't have any friends to high five...

I said.. HIGH FIVE.

I must say. Beating Faunus and RH both in the same day? I DEFINITELY need to keep slinging that rock.

Sorry. It got buried.



This is dumb. You made the argument that "Revan is powerful."

This is explicitly the only thing you wanted to argue. That is simple board consensus. The only part that was better than TJ's argument was that you agreed with consensus while he was claiming Revan had nothing. He overstepped. You didn't step at all.

You have not made a "new" case or even a strong one, for the simple fact that you have not made an argument at all. You've simply repeated the general feeling on the topic.


Now you're being belligerent, which I'm pretty sure is a sign of desperation. I read the argument because TJ was posting. He's not a tool or a jerk. You however...



Arguments with or around me.

You might be good at pwning n00bs like Allankles or Kotor3, but you've got nothing on somebody competent. TJ was simply out to troll you by the end- the downward spiral of "get the last word" proves that much at least.

Nice. You've stumbled upon something valid. I guess I'll get der Fuhrer to add a footnote allowing for luck?

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
This is dumb. You made the argument that "Revan is powerful."

This is explicitly the only thing you wanted to argue. That is simple board consensus. The only part that was better than TJ's argument was that you agreed with consensus while he was claiming Revan had nothing. He overstepped. You didn't step at all.
Right.. And which TJ disagreed with. I argued it, you agreed, the end.


Or rather, my general feeling and your acknowledgement..



I'm not being belligerent..I'm exposing your contradictions...Successfully.




I pwned you with your contradictions. When you have you done that to me? Unless you're counting the time where I didn't want to do the legwork? And it doesn't matter what TJ was out to do at the end because I wasn't quoting the end



I'm going to assume that you're not going to respond to contradiction #2. If you claim that I can't debate for shit or make a valid argument, and then claim that you don't read my arguments, you end up looking like a fool. But I'm glad you amended that assertion with "With or around me". Clever


So there goes your assertion that I can't own anyone that can debate, or that I can even create a valid argument. It's been fun RH.

I'll concede that I'm a huge jackass if you concede that you contradicted yourself in a desperate attempt to make me look foolish and that I legitimately called you out and made you me Advent.

The problem is that you think you've accomplished anything. You haven't.

Originally posted by Dr McBeefington
Right.. And which TJ disagreed with. I argued it, you agreed, the end.
What TJ disagreed with was your exaggeration of Revan's accomplishments. Which is a valid criticism. You fellate him as much as Nebaris does Bane, only you're much, much worse at it.

TJ's mistake was getting angry before he meant to.

You didn't actually do anything. Nothing you argued needed to be proven. In fact, nothing you argued could be proven. You wereare incapable of quantifying Revan and everybody knows it.

What I agreed with was that Revan had power. Every single poster evar agrees with this.

Everything TJ said was right except for this:
that his frustration made one overreaching claim.

Everything else was golden. I think I note this:


Everything he said was true.





So you're going to take credit for the default assumption of every poster on KMC? Well then I am the one that convinced them to communicate in English. And that N.'s drain could effect an entire planet.



Contradictions? The most you've got is "DS is not getting angry" and "DS is arguing consensus against another consensus."

That isn't a contradiction of "DS is bad at this."



And by 'didn't want to' you mean 'couldn't' and by 'legwork' you mean 'honest reflection' then yes. I do mean the time that you chickened out of responding.





You know what? Fine.

I admit that I have not read every single one of your arguments. The fact remains that you have yet to make a good one that I've read. This is very similar to the idea that I have dropped a ball one hundred times and it has always fallen in accordance to the theory of gravity.

This does not preclude the ball from hovering in place in the same way that you are theoretically capable of constructing a valid argument by some stroke of luck. A bajillion monkeys banging away at keyboards would eventually write out shakespeare...

I cannot reasonably say that you will never make a valid argument, but I can certainly say that I've never read one and any evaluation of your mental facilities suggest that you never will.

Originally posted by Red Nemesis
The problem is that you think you've accomplished anything. You haven't.
This is irrelevant because TJ was arguing AGAINST what you would call the majority. Secondly, the point was that you agreed with me then contradicted yourself. Stop trying to turn it around.


WHAT exaggeration? You agreed with everything I said? And I fellate Revan? This is where I tell you to prove more nonsense, and you try to redirect the point.


Ah right. Last sign of desperation being "everybody knows it". And for the final time, it needed to be proven because TJ didn't agree with it. IF you were an objective human being you'd focus on the truth rather than trying desperately to make me look bad from ANY angle.


TJ did NOT agree on the basis that he wanted his power to be quantified. Why can you not understand this point?



More misdirection and nonsense. I didn't take credit for anything. YOU stated that all I did was COPY the majority, rather than forming my own opinion. You are now claiming that i'm taking credit for the allegedly default assumption. This is unbecoming of you.




Have you not been reading...YOU agreed with me on the points I was making KNOWING I wasn't arguing combat related scenarios. Days later you claimed I was dodging Wolverine's points because I was losing, FORGETTING what you posted. NOW you're claiming that I exaggerated, verbally fellated Revan, and virtually anything else to take your mind off of your retardation..

Finally, you claim that I can't make valid arguments, and then claim you never read my arguments. You amending this position does nothing except concede the point through backpeddling.




No no, I just didn't want to do the leg work. Look at you telling me I can't make an argument while you're getting more pathetic by the posts. hilarious.






You claimed that you don't read ANY of my arguments. The argument with TJ was a victory because of what we were discussing. The economic argument with LS was a curbstomp. Just because you refuse to acknowledge my accolades doesn't mean that I don't have any.



Unfortunately THIS argument proves otherwise, as you are consistently on the losing end..Again...Your interpretation or opinion of me becomes irrelevant when it comes to reality.