Oh the irony...

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Darth Jello
Tea Bagger Bus Company Sued for Blaze that Killed 23 Seniors

Summary: The bus company that buses around and sponsors the tea baggers and healthcare protesters and 9/12 Project Glenn Beck people has a colorful history. Despite its policy of rigorous training and certification, it routinely subcontracts to another bus company with a long history of violations and complaints. So once upon a time they were busing seniors in an evacuation from Hurricane Rita. The bus catches fire and burns 23 of them to death. The driver was an undocumented immigrant with no driver's license who had the bus (which had multiple problems) fixed at a crooked mechanic who didn't lubricate the axle, causing it to create enough friction to eventually immolate the bus. What was the company's excuse? LACK OF GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT AND REGULATION!!! They claim inspecting their own vehicles is not their responsibility!!

In other words, government can't do anything right, government shouldn't regulate anything but when a private company acts negligently and kills people, its somehow the government's fault?

Shakyamunison
Note: I am only addressing the hidden agenda behind this thread.

So, people are not allowed to come together and organize to fight things they believe in? What was it that candidate Hillary Clinton say about descent? "Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism"

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Note: I am only addressing the hidden agenda behind this thread.

So, people are not allowed to come together and organize to fight things they believe in? What was it that candidate Hillary Clinton say about descent? "Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism"

Killing people through negligence isn't very patriotic.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Killing people through negligence isn't very patriotic.

I didn't address that.

Darth Jello
Is dissent truly dissent when its bussed in, hired, paid for, and represents a powerful interest?

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I didn't address that.

Oh, that's what this thread is about.

They let someone die because they were cheapskates. I don't know what thread you were reading.

Darth Jello
They're protesting government intrustion and illegal immigration when they hired illegal immigrants and killed people and then blamed a lack of government intrusion.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Is dissent truly dissent when its bussed in, hired, paid for, and represents a powerful interest?

Just like the Democrats have done in the past.



Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Oh, that's what this thread is about.

They let someone die because they were cheapskates. I don't know what thread you were reading.

I did not address that part. Only the hidden agenda.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Darth Jello
They're protesting government intrustion and illegal immigration when they hired illegal immigrants and killed people and then blamed a lack of government intrusion.

So, we should not hire illegal immigrants? But they are people too and have every right to a job.

Darth Jello
I'm not saying they shouldn't have the right to protest. I'm just pointing out ironies and stupidities. Big difference. And no, we shouldn't hire illegal immigrants. In fact, that's illegal. Hence the term, illegal immigrants. What makes it funny is when an immigration protester hires illegal immigrants.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I did not address that part. Only the part I made up.

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Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Darth Jello
I'm not saying they shouldn't have the right to protest. I'm just pointing out ironies and stupidities. Big difference.

There is enough stupidity to go around. I believe that if this had been a group of people doing whatever, you would not have made this thread.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
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If you edit my posts again I will report you.

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you edit my posts again I will report you.

For what? Malicious editing would require me to present that as the actual statement you made, I did not. Rather, I noted you "hidden agenda".

Irony.

Darth Jello
It seems like shaky just wants to have an argument for the sake of having an argument.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Darth Jello
It seems like shaky just wants to have an argument for the sake of having an argument.

The irony is that the people who organized against Bush are the same people who are complaining about the other side doing the same thing.

dadudemon
Nah, Shaky's point is fine.


However, the real irony is the seniors dying in a situation that is the exact opposite of the Glen Becker's standards.

However, do we have something on file, a decree, rule, statement, from Glen Beck saying that he wants high quality busing?(Even if the statement is indirect.) If not, there is no irony.


And, if I'm not mistaken, some of those conservatives want government oversight, but not big government programs to run it. In other words, no government pharmacy, but regulation on private pharmacies. Capisce? I don't feel I'm making sense. Edit - So, no irony there, either.

Darth Jello
there's a big difference between people forming an organization to coordinate protesting and a coalition of businesses paying a lobbying firm to create an atmosphere of dissent and then hiring people to pretend to be people from a congressional district they're not actually from and instigating loud violent protests. And you're still, off topic.

Darth Jello
Originally posted by dadudemon
Nah, Shaky's point is fine.


However, the real irony is the seniors dying in a situation that is the exact opposite of the Glen Becker's standards.

However, do we have something on file, a decree, rule, statement, from Glen Beck saying that he wants high quality busing?(Even if the statement is indirect.) If not, there is no irony.


And, if I'm not mistaken, some of those conservatives want government oversight, but not big government programs to run it. In other words, no government pharmacy, but regulation on private pharmacies. Capisce? I don't feel I'm making sense. Edit - So, no irony there, either.

Some of those conservatives are the same conservatives who want privatized meat inspection as advocated by CATO.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Darth Jello
there's a big difference between people forming an organization to coordinate protesting and a coalition of businesses paying a lobbying firm to create an atmosphere of dissent and then hiring people to pretend to be people from a congressional district they're not actually from and instigating loud violent protests. And you're still, off topic.

That is exactly what the Democrats did during Bush. Now, basically I agree with you, but what is good for goose is good for the gander.

Bicnarok
This is all caused by the the race to get rich society we live in. Companies need to cut costs so the managers, investors etc can get their bonuses, so the shareholders can get their dividends. So where do you save money, of course where resistance is least. Get things done on the cheap, bodged by some cowboys rather than getting it done properly by more expensive tradesmen. Its quantity rather then quality, boom and bust way of democracy.

Darth Jello
You're also assuming that I am a democrat, am defending the democrats, or am in any way associated with the democratic party. I do on occasion vote that way, but since there is no social democratic party in the united states, I typically vote green or socialist and think the democratic party should either be infiltrated by people who have real liberal/progressive/social democratic ideas or should shrink and disappear. But I do think there's big difference between protesting people who are committing crimes and people who may commit imaginary crimes in the future that don't exist.

Mr. Rhythmic
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I did not address that part. Only the hidden agenda.

I forgot that conspiracists care more about their "stories" than the lives of innocent people.

KidRock
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Killing people through negligence isn't very patriotic.

Iv been saying it all along, Obama's healthcare system is very unpatriotic

King Kandy
Originally posted by KidRock
Iv been saying it all along, Obama's healthcare system is very unpatriotic
It hasn't actually done anything yet, so saying it's killed people through negligence is complete speculation.

Darth Jello
nor does it have anything to do with the subject.

King Kandy
Yeah.

In any case, this is probably one of the funniest things that has to do with the deaths of the elderly. I guess if they'd followed their own teachings better, it could have saved a lot of lives.

inimalist
wow, confusing thread to read...

dadudemon
Originally posted by KidRock
Iv been saying it all along, Obama's healthcare system is very unpatriotic

Survey shows that it will save more lives and improve the quality of healthcare, in general. Just sayin'.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah.

In any case, this is probably one of the funniest things that has to do with the deaths of the elderly. I guess if they'd followed their own teachings better, it could have saved a lot of lives.

Please describe and/or list those exact teachings. I am serious. I don't know what you're talking about.

Darth Jello
I think he means the major agenda of this whole "movement" including being strictly anti-immigrant (illegal or otherwise), and being against any kind of government regulation and inspection. The whole idea of this story and topic can be equated to Glenn Beck's whole crusade against Obama and healthcare now and claiming that this country has the best system in the world and the only thing that should change is the regulation when a year and a half ago he was bawling on youtube about how horrible america was cause they messed up his butthole repair surgery and then ran multiple stories on cnn about how bad America's healthcare system is. I guess in a way, Beck is one anal fissure away from becoming a socialist but that's going a bit far off topic.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Darth Jello
I think he means the major agenda of this whole "movement" including being strictly anti-immigrant (illegal or otherwise), and being against any kind of government regulation and inspection. The whole idea of this story and topic can be equated to Glenn Beck's whole crusade against Obama and healthcare now and claiming that this country has the best system in the world and the only thing that should change is the regulation when a year and a half ago he was bawling on youtube about how horrible america was cause they messed up his butthole repair surgery and then ran multiple stories on cnn about how bad America's healthcare system is. I guess in a way, Beck is one anal fissure away from becoming a socialist but that's going a bit far off topic.

Again your agenda comes forward. You seem to have a hatred of Glenn Beck. However, I don't think it has anything to do with Glenn Beck. I think you are against anyone who stands in the way of the liberal agenda.

Darth Jello
define "the liberal agenda". You're really good with those accusations and buzz words.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Again your agenda comes forward. You seem to have a hatred of Glenn Beck. However, I don't think it has anything to do with Glenn Beck. I think you are against anyone who stands in the way of the liberal agenda.
I think you are trying to look too deeply for things that aren't there.

This thread is to report an amusing bit of hypocrisy. Nothing more.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by King Kandy
I think you are trying to look too deeply for things that aren't there.

This thread is to report an amusing bit of hypocrisy. Nothing more.

I respectfully disagree. I think it is political to the very core.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Darth Jello
define "the liberal agenda". You're really good with those accusations and buzz words.

I was trying to communicate with you using words I thought you would understand. The liberal agenda would be anything that would further the Democratic ideas forward. Sorry for using a buzz word. I'm not very political, so I'm not as aware of what is a buzz word at the time.

Darth Jello
which is why you equate the democratic party with a non-specific, unquantified liberalism which is can be all or none of the following: a social, philosophical, international, or economic ideology and leaves me to wonder what you mean by "liberal agenda" other than using the word liberal as a pejorative.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Darth Jello
which is why you equate the democratic party with a non-specific, unquantified liberalism which is can be all or none of the following: a social, philosophical, international, or economic ideology and leaves me to wonder what you mean by "liberal agenda" other than using the word liberal as a pejorative.

I don't think it leads you to believe anything. You can't argue with my point so you pick words that allow you to straw man away.

Darth Jello
Did you just use "liberal agenda" because it's not really ok to say "gay agenda" anymore?

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Did you just use "liberal agenda" because it's not really ok to say "gay agenda" anymore?

Are you actually trying to call me homophobic? laughing

The next thing you are going to do try to offend we with evolution. stick out tongue

Symmetric Chaos
Originally posted by Darth Jello
Did you just use "liberal agenda" because it's not really ok to say "gay agenda" anymore?

Why? Are you involved with the gay agenda?

Jaeh.is.Awesome
Originally posted by inimalist
wow, confusing thread to read...

Darth Jello
You just seem like you have no idea what your talking about so your throwing around words like liberal agenda. You can't even qualify what you mean.

Robtard
Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Why? Are you involved with the gay agenda?

Where can people sign up? Is it signing, right?

dadudemon
Originally posted by Robtard
Where can people sign up? Is it signing, right?

The sign up sheet is taped to Adam_PoE's ass, in this picture:

Originally posted by Adam_PoE
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e384/super_hottie_2/1.jpg


The choice was easy: the writing surface is hard as a rock. flirt

~:Mr.Anderson:~
I lol'd in a macabre way.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Note: I am only addressing the hidden agenda behind this thread.

So, people are not allowed to come together and organize to fight things they believe in? What was it that candidate Hillary Clinton say about descent? "Dissent is the Highest form of Patriotism"

http://forums.the-dispatch.com/eve/forums/a/ga/ul/3301032188/inlineimg/Y/missed_the_point.jpg

inimalist
Originally posted by dadudemon
The sign up sheet is taped to Adam_PoE's ass, in this picture:

The choice was easy: the writing surface is hard as a rock. flirt

eek!

which one is adam?

dadudemon
Originally posted by inimalist
eek!

which one is adam?

The dude on the left, with his suspenders down.

inimalist
Originally posted by dadudemon
The dude on the left, with his suspenders down.

jesus christ...

Robtard
Originally posted by inimalist
jesus christ...

I tried really hard, but besides the light skin, hair and eyes, I don't see much of a resemblance.

Maybe if he had a beard. POE, can you grow a beard for us, stat.

dadudemon
Originally posted by inimalist
jesus christ...

You gotta give him props for standing up for what he believes in. Too many whiners in this country and not enough doers.


Originally posted by Robtard
I tried really hard, but besides the light skin, hair and eyes, I don't see much of a resemblance.

Maybe if he had a beard. POE, can you grow a beard for us, stat.

laughing laughing laughing


WTF?

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Robtard
I tried really hard, but besides the light skin, hair and eyes, I don't see much of a resemblance.

Maybe if he had a beard. POE, can you grow a beard for us, stat.

Actually, I can. But it will be blonde. I don't know if that helps.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
http://forums.the-dispatch.com/eve/forums/a/ga/ul/3301032188/inlineimg/Y/missed_the_point.jpg

No. Not at all. I'm just sick of it.

King Kandy
Sick of the problems you hallucinated with this thread? At no point did anyone say or imply conservatives having organized dissent was bad. What IS bad is when they dissent about something and then act like it themselves.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by King Kandy
Sick of the problems you hallucinated with this thread? At no point did anyone say or imply conservatives having organized dissent was bad. What IS bad is when they dissent about something and then act like it themselves.

"One of the featured corporate sponsors of the Tea Party Express had to pay millions of dollars to settle lawsuits for its role in a bus fire that killed 23 elderly nursing home residents fleeing Hurricane Rita in 2005."

This connection between what happened 4 years ago and the tea parties that are happening now is not an accident. This article was written to discredit what is going on today by magically connecting the dots. The intent is to stop people from blocking the health care legislation.

King Kandy
No, the intent is to show that the teabaggers (against govt. regulation) are sponsored by a company that is perfectly willing to blame all it's faults on lack of govt. regulation, and that said company had been hiring illegal immigrants while helping to finance a movement declaring hiring illegal immigrants to be anti-US. This is base hypocrisy.

tsscls
Originally posted by King Kandy
No, the intent is to show that the teabaggers (against govt. regulation) are sponsored by a company that is perfectly willing to blame all it's faults on lack of govt. regulation, and that said company had been hiring illegal immigrants while helping to finance a movement declaring hiring illegal immigrants to be anti-US. This is base hypocrisy.

Are they sponsored by ACORN?

King Kandy
Originally posted by tsscls
Are they sponsored by ACORN?
Wow, they submitted some improper registrations. roll eyes (sarcastic)

We've had enough threads about that, and it doesn't have anything to do with this issue.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by King Kandy
No, the intent is to show that the teabaggers (against govt. regulation) are sponsored by a company that is perfectly willing to blame all it's faults on lack of govt. regulation, and that said company had been hiring illegal immigrants while helping to finance a movement declaring hiring illegal immigrants to be anti-US. This is base hypocrisy.

There is no connection. Bad things happen to everyone, and "immigrants" do jobs that the rest of us will not do.

It's just propaganda to make people hate in order to achieve a political end. Both sides do it, and it is wrong.

Just because a company has hired immigrants in the past, and made mistakes does not mean that they can't do business in the future. The only hypocrisy here is the Democrats who do not like their own medicine.

Adam_PoE
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
No. Not at all. I'm just sick of it.

Then do not participate in the discussion.

Shakyamunison
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Then do not participate in the discussion.

That is not what I am sick of.

King Kandy
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
There is no connection. Bad things happen to everyone, and "immigrants" do jobs that the rest of us will not do.

It's just propaganda to make people hate in order to achieve a political end. Both sides do it, and it is wrong.

Just because a company has hired immigrants in the past, and made mistakes does not mean that they can't do business in the future. The only hypocrisy here is the Democrats who do not like their own medicine.
I have not spoken one word against immigration, and you are trying to make it an issue of debate here. The only issue is that THEY spoke against immigration and THEY hired immigrants.

I disagree. Everything that was in the OP was true and in no way was worthy of being targeted by you for such attacks. I find it amusing you have taken such an attitude the moment a liberal thread of this sort was created, when republican threads worse than this (in that the accusations were not actually true) were passed over by for your scorn.

I'm sorry, but on what planet is it not hypocrisy to speak out against something and then do it? If I was a speaker on behalf of PETA and got my fundings from companies that hurt animals, that would be complete hypocrisy. That is the same situation as this.

Shakyamunison

King Kandy
I'm cutting off this conversation. If you can't have a discussion without trying to personally discredit or attack me or Jello, then you are not as worth talking to as I thought.

Bardock42
Originally posted by Shakyamunison
If you edit my posts again I will report you, cause I don't want my obvious bias and hypocricies to be pointed out.

Won't happen again.

Darth Jello
Wow, not only has this gone completely off topic, but there seems to be a complete disconnect from what this whole movement actually stands for, the difference between legal and illegal immigration, and what the law actually says. I still haven't got my answer of what the "liberal agenda" is that Democrats are pushing.

inimalist
Originally posted by dadudemon
You gotta give him props for standing up for what he believes in. Too many whiners in this country and not enough doers.


lol, I was actually trying to give props for how hot he looks in those shorts

embarrasment

Go standing for something though... shifty

Robtard
Originally posted by Adam_PoE
Actually, I can. But it will be blonde. I don't know if that helps.

Perfect, as Jesus' beard was blonde. You're also a real man, as you can grow a beard and not one of those prepubesebt pubic hair-like growths some guys sport.

inimalist
"If you had any brains, you would have challenged me to a game of scrabble, or maybe a beard-off. You might have won that, because I don't have a beard; and when I do, it comes in patchy"

Jacques
Killing people can't be allowed if it is through carelessness authorities should take action against them

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