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..in strength, where do the following characters stand:

Superman
Silver Surfer (can amp)
Wonder Woman
Sentry
Orion
Martian Manhunter
Beta Ray Bill
Mongul (without rings)
Shaggy Man
Thor
Hulk
Gladiator

...then same thing, only this time factoring overall physicall abilities, including speed, skill, durability etc. In short, overall physicall formidability.

Can we rate them higher than 100? Just making sure.

Of course.

THE HULK IS OVER 9000!!!

Superman - 75
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 74.5
Wonder Woman - 20
Sentry - 18
Orion - 75
Martian Manhunter - 17
Beta Ray Bill - 69
Mongul (without rings) - 68
Shaggy Man - 30
Thor - 72
Hulk - 12
Gladiator - 70

Superman - 145
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 175
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 95 (void ability included)
Orion - 110
Martian Manhunter - 115
Beta Ray Bill - 115
Mongul (without rings) - 75
Shaggy Man - 135
Thor - 150
Hulk - 110
Gladiator - 145

Hard to gauge the versatility vs a person really amazing single attribute. So I tried my best to be fair. This is by no means a ranking of who can beat who though... just a numeric grade for the culmination of all their abilities.

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Superman - 145
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 175
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 95 (void ability included)
Orion - 110
Martian Manhunter - 115
Beta Ray Bill - 115
Mongul (without rings) - 75
Shaggy Man - 135
Thor - 150
Hulk - 110
Gladiator - 145

Hard to gauge the versatility vs a person really amazing single attribute. So I tried my best to be fair. This is by no means a ranking of who can beat who though... just a numeric grade for the culmination of all their abilities. That's worse than my rankings...

Originally posted by Blanket
That's worse than my rankings...

I like Pizza 1eye

Originally posted by Philosophía
..in strength, where do the following characters stand:

Superman
Silver Surfer (can amp)
Wonder Woman
Sentry
Orion
Martian Manhunter
Beta Ray Bill
Mongul (without rings)
Shaggy Man
Thor
Hulk
Gladiator

Strength

Superman- 150
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 90
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 95
Orion - 125
Martian Manhunter - 90
Beta Ray Bill - 95
Mongul (without rings) - 85
Shaggy Man - 125
Thor - 95
Hulk - 125
Gladiator -100

Hmmmm, Sentry and Thor in the same weight class...

This is difficult, as none of these character's have say a set limit, and so on.

Strength:

Superman - 100 (In general.)/ 105 (Not holding back. He does have superior feats as well, which doesn't necessarily count for much as they are shown to be equals, but I think that deserves taking into account.)
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 100 (Higher if we use his ability to amp/absorb energy at the highest level we've seen.)
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 97 (On a good day. Less or even higher depending on emotional state.)
Orion - 100 (In general.)/105 (Not holding back and in berserker state.)
Martian Manhunter - 97
Beta Ray Bill - 100
Mongul (without rings) - 85
Shaggy Man - Depends on incarnation.
Thor - 100 (In General.)/106 (When not holding back. Dude has arguably the largest strength reserve out there outside of amping.)
Hulk - At base he is way down the list, but he can amp in strength. Hard to gauge.
Gladiator - 100 (On a confident day. Lower or higher depending on how confident he is. At his peak he has shown some incredible strength)

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is difficult, as none of these character's have say a set limit, and so on.

Strength:

Superman - 100 (In general.)/ 105 (Not holding back. He does have superior feats as well, which doesn't necessarily count for much as they are shown to be equals, but I think that deserves taking into account.)
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 100 (Higher if we use his ability to amp/absorb energy at the highest level we've seen.)
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 97 (On a good day. Less or even higher depending on emotional state.)
Orion - 100 (In general.)/105 (Not holding back and in berserker state.)
Martian Manhunter - 97
Beta Ray Bill - 100
Mongul (without rings) - 85
Shaggy Man - Depends on incarnation.
Thor - 100 (In General.)/106 (When not holding back. Dude has arguably the largest strength reserve out there outside of amping.)
Hulk - At base he is way down the list, but he can amp in strength. Hard to gauge.
Gladiator - 100 (On a confident day. Lower or higher depending on how confident he is. At his peak he has shown some incredible strength)

Wait a minute I thought we were guaging all abilkities not just strength...

We're supposed to do both. I'm way to lazy to do the entire ability gauging list.

You cowards are afraid to rank the overall physicall category. Fine, take out the speed factor and take into account only skill, strength, durability and the like.

Originally posted by kgkg
Strength

Superman- 150
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 90
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 95
Orion - 125
Martian Manhunter - 90
Beta Ray Bill - 95
Mongul (without rings) - 85
Shaggy Man - 125
Thor - 95
Hulk - 125
Gladiator -100

Nice. I disagree a bit but, imo, most of that is spot on.

The Hulk you took into account is WWH, right ?

Strength

Superman- 105
Silver Surfer (can amp) - Can we quantify him?
Wonder Woman - 100
Sentry - 95
Orion - 105
Martian Manhunter - 95
Beta Ray Bill - 100
Mongul (without rings) - 85
Shaggy Man - not sure
Thor - 100
Hulk - Varies, so not sure
Gladiator -105

I assume the OP wants us to only take into consideration these characters *physical* attributes (i.e. no magic, tp, energy manip, etc).

Superman- 110 (*physically superior imo)
Silver Surfer (can amp) - can we quantify him if he can amp?
Wonder Woman - 105 (big skill advantage, less durable, possibly faster)
Sentry - 90
Orion - 110 (skill advantage, tougher overall)
Martian Manhunter - 95
Beta Ray Bill - 105
Mongul (without rings) - 85
Shaggy Man - not sure
Thor - 110 (skill advantage, possibly more durable)
Hulk - 95
Gladiator -110


Eh, I give up lol

Question, Why is Thor so low on the list(s)?
I really can't think of anyone that can over power Thor for him to be so low..

Superman - 150
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 149
Wonder Woman - 40
Sentry - 36
Orion - 150
Martian Manhunter - 34
Beta Ray Bill - 138
Mongul (without rings) - 136
Shaggy Man - 60
Thor - 144
Hulk - 24
Gladiator - 149

Originally posted by Priest
Question, Why is Thor so low on the list(s)?
I really can't think of anyone that can over power Thor for him to be so low..

There isn't except Hulk potentially, but you know how it is with some people.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
There isn't except Hulk potentially, but you know how it is with some people.
yea but then again there is this,
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Defenders10-09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Defenders10-10.jpg

Originally posted by Priest
yea but then again there is this,
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Defenders10-09.jpg
http://i118.photobucket.com/albums/o106/bigbran1/Thor/Defenders10-10.jpg

Hey I said potentially. I'm the last person you need to convince that Hulk has never been able to overpower Thor no matter the incarnation or length of their fight. There's also this:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/th_HulkThorEqual.jpg

Hmm..

Superman - 125, PF 125
Silver Surfer (can amp) - ?, PF 85
Wonder Woman - 90, PF 100
Sentry - 1, PF 3
Orion - 110, PF 115
Martian Manhunter - 90, PF 100
Beta Ray Bill - 90, PF 90
Mongul (without rings) - 85, PF 90
Shaggy Man - 110, PF ?
Thor - 100, PF 90
Hulk - 105, PF 90
Gladiator -100, PF 95

Originally posted by Lord Feron
Superman - 145
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 175
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 95 (void ability included)
Orion - 110
Martian Manhunter - 115
Beta Ray Bill - 115
Mongul (without rings) - 75
Shaggy Man - 135
Thor - 150
Hulk - 110
Gladiator - 145

Hard to gauge the versatility vs a person really amazing single attribute. So I tried my best to be fair. This is by no means a ranking of who can beat who though... just a numeric grade for the culmination of all their abilities.

Damn I thought it was all powers.... Not just physical attribute...damn I have to read more carefully.

Physically...
Superman - 115
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 150 (mainly due to duraibility/speed and ampage which idk has a limit)
Wonder Woman - 85
Sentry - 85 (void ability included)
Orion - 95
Martian Manhunter - 95
Beta Ray Bill - 95
Mongul (without rings) - 75
Shaggy Man - 110
Thor - 110
Hulk - 80 (at base... could go as high as 120 WWH version)
Gladiator - 115

This is overall physicallity - speed, strenght, durability

Superman - 108
Silver Surfer - 100
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 95
Orion - 107
Martian Manhunter - 108 (shape shifting and mass gaining, although I think Billy is faster)
Beta Ray Bill - 95
Mongul (without rings) - 95
Shaggy Man - 105
Thor - 95
Hulk - 95
Gladiator - 100

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is difficult, as none of these character's have say a set limit, and so on.

Strength:

Superman - 100 (In general.)/ 105 (Not holding back. He does have superior feats as well, which doesn't necessarily count for much as they are shown to be equals, but I think that deserves taking into account.)
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 100 (Higher if we use his ability to amp/absorb energy at the highest level we've seen.)
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 97 (On a good day. Less or even higher depending on emotional state.)
Orion - 100 (In general.)/105 (Not holding back and in berserker state.)
Martian Manhunter - 97
Beta Ray Bill - 100
Mongul (without rings) - 85
Shaggy Man - Depends on incarnation.
Thor - 100 (In General.)/106 (When not holding back. Dude has arguably the largest strength reserve out there outside of amping.)
Hulk - At base he is way down the list, but he can amp in strength. Hard to gauge.
Gladiator - 100 (On a confident day. Lower or higher depending on how confident he is. At his peak he has shown some incredible strength)

Most accurate list thus far.

My list was just the double of Bran's, nobody noticed

Also, rage. You think that Thor holds back like 6% of his strength? I would much rather have Thor at like 70 when holding back and maybe as high as 110 or 120.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
My list was just the double of Bran's, nobody noticed

Also, rage. You think that Thor holds back like 6% of his strength? I would much rather have Thor at like 70 when holding back and maybe as high as 110 or 120.

Well that depends on the opponent. In general he holds back a lot more than 6% of his strength. A lot more.

It's just we have no scale, and I wasn't using a specific scale. If we were using percentages. The number would have been a lot higher.

I'd agree with Rage and Allans, though mine would be a bit more closer to Allans

Originally posted by kgkg
Strength

Superman- 150
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 90
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 95
Orion - 125
Martian Manhunter - 90
Beta Ray Bill - 95
Mongul (without rings) - 85
Shaggy Man - 125
Thor - 95
Hulk - 125
Gladiator -100

Originally posted by Allankles
This is overall physicallity - speed, strenght, durability

Superman - 108
Silver Surfer - 100
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 95
Orion - 107
Martian Manhunter - 108 (shape shifting and mass gaining, although I think Billy is faster)
Beta Ray Bill - 95
Mongul (without rings) - 95
Shaggy Man - 105
Thor - 95
Hulk - 95
Gladiator - 100

either of those works for me.

Originally posted by Sir Faceman
Most accurate list thus far. i concur

maybe he was including warrior madness or thor in paranoid mindset?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
maybe he was including warrior madness or thor in paranoid mindset?

What post are you referring to?

the apparently missing one.

Originally posted by kgkg
Strength

Superman- 150
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 90
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 95
Orion - 125
Martian Manhunter - 90
Beta Ray Bill - 95
Mongul (without rings) - 85
Shaggy Man - 125
Thor - 95
Hulk - 125
Gladiator -100




Superman -110
Silver surfer- over 100 with amping
Wonder woman- 90
Sentry -90
Orion -105
Martian Manhunter- 80 with no amping
Beta ray Bill- 90
Mongul- 90
Shaggy Man -over 100
Thor- 95
Hulk- 80 in a calm state
Gladiator-100

Only way supes hits 150 is a anger spike or a sundip. In the case of a sun dip it will jump higher then 150 depending on how long it is. Rateing supes at 150 with out a amp is a joke. He aint 50% stronger then billy lol.

Originally posted by zeel

Rateing supes at 150 with out a amp is a joke. He aint 50% stronger then billy lol.

Exactly!

I pretty much agree with your placement of characters relative to each other. I just don't think Billy is stronger than Thor, BRB & co. But nice list nonetheless.

Strength

Superman-110
Silver surfer- 95
Wonderwoman-97
Sentry-97
Orion-105
Martian manhunter-95
Beta ray bill-95
Mongul- 90
Shaggy Man-100
Thor-105
Hulk-110
Gladiator-105

Physicality

Superman-110
Silver surfer-105
Wonderwoman-95
Sentry-100
Orion-105
Martian Manhunter-97
Beta ray Bill-97
Mongul-90
Shaggy Man-105
Thor-100
Hulk-105
Gladiator-105

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is difficult, as none of these character's have say a set limit, and so on.

Strength:

Superman - 100 (In general.)/ 105 (Not holding back. He does have superior feats as well, which doesn't necessarily count for much as they are shown to be equals, but I think that deserves taking into account.)
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 100 (Higher if we use his ability to amp/absorb energy at the highest level we've seen.)
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 97 (On a good day. Less or even higher depending on emotional state.)
Orion - 100 (In general.)/105 (Not holding back and in berserker state.)
Martian Manhunter - 97
Beta Ray Bill - 100
Mongul (without rings) - 85
Shaggy Man - Depends on incarnation.
Thor - 100 (In General.)/106 (When not holding back. Dude has arguably the largest strength reserve out there outside of amping.)
Hulk - At base he is way down the list, but he can amp in strength. Hard to gauge.
Gladiator - 100 (On a confident day. Lower or higher depending on how confident he is. At his peak he has shown some incredible strength)

ALso how people rate supes 50% more than CA when they have portrayed to be equals over the years?

Maybe by feats you can infer Supes is stronger but 50% - no way

Originally posted by Naija boy
Strength

Superman-110
Silver surfer- 95
Wonderwoman-97
Sentry-97
Orion-105
Martian manhunter-95
Beta ray bill-95
Mongul- 90
Shaggy Man-100
Thor-105
Hulk-110
Gladiator-105

Physicality

Superman-110
Silver surfer-105
Wonderwoman-95
Sentry-100
Orion-105
Martian Manhunter-97
Beta ray Bill-97
Mongul-90
Shaggy Man-105
Thor-100
Hulk-105
Gladiator-105

I agree with this for the most part. I would just bump up Glads and Thor some and then I'm...

Originally posted by psycho gundam
the apparently missing one.

Okay.

Strength

Superman (sundipped) - 250
Silver Surfer - 100
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 95
Orion - 105
Martian Manhunter - 90
Beta Ray Bill - 105
Mongul (with rings) - 110
Shaggy Man - 120
Thor (WM) - 150
Hulk - 175
Gladiator -105

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
Exactly!

I pretty much agree with your placement of characters relative to each other. I just don't think Billy is stronger than Thor, BRB & co. But nice list nonetheless.

I don't think Billy is stronger than Thor either but overall physicality? I give Billy a slight edge, as I think he's faster (he has a speed god's speed afterall). And durability is more or less on the same level.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't think Billy is stronger than Thor either but overall physicality? I give Billy a slight edge, as I think he's faster (he has a speed god's speed afterall). And durability is more or less on the same level.

I agree. Billy isn't stronger but he is faster. I placed Thor slightly above Billy overall because we were also supposed to take skill into account. Thor has thousands of lifetimes of experience which is why I think physically he is slightly more imposing.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I agree with this for the most part. I would just bump up Glads and Thor some and then I'm...

Superman is stronger, faster, and more durable than Thor. He shouldn't be equal to Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is stronger, faster, and more durable than Thor. He shouldn't be equal to Superman.

Faster, yeah.

The other two? Nah.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is stronger, faster, and more durable than Thor. He shouldn't be equal to Superman.

No he isn't.

Of course.

He isn't more durable, and when it comes to damage soak/resistance to damage/pain Thor takes it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No he isn't.

Of course.

He isn't more durable, and when it comes to damage soak/resistance to damage/pain Thor takes it.

imo Superman does, so it's not so cut and dry.

Originally posted by -Pr-
imo Superman does, so it's not so cut and dry.

Superman does what?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman does what?

have the edge.

Originally posted by -Pr-
have the edge.

In strength? I disagree.

I think it goes either way. I especially disagree with anyone who thinks Superman is stronger than Thor by a margin.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In strength? I disagree.

I think it goes either way. I especially disagree with anyone who thinks Superman is stronger than Thor by a margin.

no. this part:



in terms of pure physical strength? at base levels, i think superman is stronger, but not by any huge margin.

Originally posted by -Pr-
no. this part:

in terms of pure physical strength? at base levels, i think superman is stronger, but not by any huge margin.

I give the damage soak and pain soaking to Thor. It's in part to his Asgardian physiology and his durability. Dude can keep on fighting even if he has every bone in his ribcage broken. Shit he kept on going with every bone in his body broken. And his damage soak is ridiculous. Dude's withstood assaults from Odin, Galactus, and Celestial's and kept on going.

I disagree.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I give the damage soak and pain soaking to Thor. It's in part to his Asgardian physiology and his durability. Dude can keep on fighting even if he has every bone in his ribcage broken. Shit he kept on going with every bone in his body broken. And his damage soak is ridiculous. Dude's withstood assaults from Odin, Galactus, and Celestial's and kept on going.

I disagree.

i'm not doubting thor's resilience. i just think Superman, as you said, has an edge.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i'm not doubting thor's resilience. i just think Superman, as you said, has an edge.

You better not. excellent

An edge in the damage soak/pain resistance department? I never said Superman has an edge if that's what you meant, and I give the edge in that category to Thor.

http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/Spire84/th_ActionComics766p19.jpg

All while suffering from a bad case of Kryptonite poisoning.

Nice feat of will power and resistance to pain from Superman. I liked that story. Batman went a bit soft on me though.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is stronger, faster, and more durable than Thor. He shouldn't be equal to Superman.

Hes a peer to supes, even if hes slightly weaker, his hammer more then makes up for that makeing him at least supes equal. Its all how you look at it I guess.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You better not. excellent

An edge in the damage soak/pain resistance department? I never said Superman has an edge if that's what you meant, and I give the edge in that category to Thor.



i meant that while you think thor has the edge in that department, i think superman does.

Originally posted by Allankles
I don't think Billy is stronger than Thor either but overall physicality? I give Billy a slight edge, as I think he's faster (he has a speed god's speed afterall). And durability is more or less on the same level.

Originally posted by -Pr-


i meant that while you think thor has the edge in that department, i think superman does.

Your a fanboy so your opinion doesn't count. awesome

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Your a fanboy so your opinion doesn't count. awesome

yes, i'm the fanboy. i have superman in my sig while you don't have thor in yours... oh.

Originally posted by -Pr-
yes, i'm the fanboy. i have superman in my sig while you don't have thor in yours... oh.

My sig is a testament to my vast hate for Thor.

Ask anyone on these boards. I loathe the Hammer wielding bastard.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
My sig is a testament to my vast hate for Thor.

Ask anyone on these boards. I loathe the Hammer wielding bastard.

piss off geoff.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i like poo poo.



How many times do I have to tell you, that what you and Bada do in your private time is none of my business.

that son of a *****.

Originally posted by -Pr-
that son of a *****.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
No he isn't.

Of course.

He isn't more durable, and when it comes to damage soak/resistance to damage/pain Thor takes it.

Superman is at least a million times stronger than Thor. I've already proved it some months ago. Superman is a lot more durable than Thor. High caliber bullets puts welts on Thor but bounce off at full speed against Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is at least a million times stronger than Thor. I've already proved it some months ago. Superman is a lot more durable than Thor. High caliber bullets puts welts on Thor but bounce off at full speed against Superman.

a million times? don't be ridiculous.

Originally posted by -Pr-
a million times? don't be ridiculous.

Probably not a million. But I'm going by feats. Superman has a feat that shows he is multiple times stronger than Thor (by feats only).

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
My sig is a testament to my vast love for Thor.

Ask anyone on these boards. I love the Hammer wielding bastard. There, that sounds better, based on what I've seen of you.

Originally posted by h1a8
Probably not a million. But I'm going by feats. Superman has a feat that shows he is multiple times stronger than Thor (by feats only).

what do you mean by multiple? twice? five times stronger? twenty times stronger?

Originally posted by h1a8
I've already proved it some months ago. When in the shitnuts have you ever proven anything?

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is at least a million times stronger than Thor. I've already proved it some months ago. Superman is a lot more durable than Thor. High caliber bullets puts welts on Thor but bounce off at full speed against Superman.

Ah were back to this again h1?

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is at least a million times stronger than Thor. I've already proved it some months ago. Superman is a lot more durable than Thor. High caliber bullets puts welts on Thor but bounce off at full speed against Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman is at least a million times stronger than Thor. I've already proved it some months ago. Superman is a lot more durable than Thor. High caliber bullets puts welts on Thor but bounce off at full speed against Superman.

Stupidity and ignorance at it's finest.

Lulz at Superman a million times stronger than Thor. When have you ever proven that? When have you ever proven anything? Link to the topic where you supposedly proved it? Smh.....

I know the instance you are referring to. I've already addressed this plenty of times. If you had actually read the comic you would have known that Thor said high caliber bullets leave nothing but welts on "Asgardian" skin/flesh. He never said his own and as we know "Thor > Regular Asgardian'". If you had also read the issue you would have known that those high caliber bullets did no damage to Thor whatsoever and he went on to survive a missile at point blank range unharmed in that same instance etc.

h1n1 was doing all right for a week or so, then he just haaad to post foolishness again.

people these days

Originally posted by -Pr-
what do you mean by multiple? twice? five times stronger? twenty times stronger?

At least twice

facepalm

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Stupidity and ignorance at it's finest.

Lulz at Superman a million times stronger than Thor. When have you ever proven that? When have you ever proven anything? Link to the topic where you supposedly proved it? Smh.....

I know the instance you are referring to. I've already addressed this plenty of times. If you had actually read the comic you would have known that Thor said high caliber bullets leave nothing but welts on "Asgardian" skin/flesh. He never said his own and as we know "Thor > Regular Asgardian'". If you had also read the issue you would have known that those high caliber bullets did no damage to Thor whatsoever and he went on to survive a missile at point blank range unharmed in that same instance etc.

Feats prove who's stronger on this forum. There is no other way to prove it since these characters don't really exist. That is why nearly everyone believes Superman is stronger.

Now for the durability part. By you being a fan of Thor I'm pretty sure you know that Thor hasn't always been bulletproof. His durability to bullets throughout his career has been inconsistent.
He has been cut by mere blades and injured with mere bullets before. Superman on the other hand has never had this problem. Bullets been bouncing off him at full speed since his creation.

Energy projection durability has always been Thor's forte though.
He is the god of thunder and thus can channel energy through his very being. Even his hammer absorbs energy. So energy projection durability of Thor's may be equal or greater than that of Superman's, but certainly this is not true for physical blunt force durability.

Another reason it is very believable that Superman is stronger than Thor is through average showings of strength. Superman busts through shields and force fields (like GL shields) like nothing. I have a hard time believing Thor can do stuff like this without his hammer. As a matter of fact I have a hard time picturing Thor doing anything remotely uber without the possession of his hammer. Trust me, that hammer is giving him more power and durability somehow.

Originally posted by h1a8
Trust me, that hammer is giving him more power and durability somehow. Its as if it were magic.

Originally posted by h1a8
Feats prove who's stronger on this forum. There is no other way to prove it since these characters don't really exist. That is why nearly everyone believes Superman is stronger.

Now for the durability part. By you being a fan of Thor I'm pretty sure you know that Thor hasn't always been bulletproof. His durability to bullets throughout his career has been inconsistent.
He has been cut by mere blades and injured with mere bullets before. Superman on the other hand has never had this problem. Bullets been bouncing off him at full speed since his creation.

Energy projection durability has always been Thor's forte though.
He is the god of thunder and thus can channel energy through his very being. Even his hammer absorbs energy. So energy projection durability of Thor's may be equal or greater than that of Superman's, but certainly this is not true for physical blunt force durability.

Another reason it is very believable that Superman is stronger than Thor is through average showings of strength. Superman busts through shields and force fields (like GL shields) like nothing. I have a hard time believing Thor can do stuff like this without his hammer. As a matter of fact I have a hard time picturing Thor doing anything remotely uber without the possession of his hammer. Trust me, that hammer is giving him more power and durability somehow. *has never read a comic involving Thor*

Originally posted by h1a8
Feats prove who's stronger on this forum. There is no other way to prove it since these characters don't really exist. That is why nearly everyone believes Superman is stronger.

Now for the durability part. By you being a fan of Thor I'm pretty sure you know that Thor hasn't always been bulletproof. His durability to bullets throughout his career has been inconsistent.
He has been cut by mere blades and injured with mere bullets before. Superman on the other hand has never had this problem. Bullets been bouncing off him at full speed since his creation.

Energy projection durability has always been Thor's forte though.
He is the god of thunder and thus can channel energy through his very being. Even his hammer absorbs energy. So energy projection durability of Thor's may be equal or greater than that of Superman's, but certainly this is not true for physical blunt force durability.

Another reason it is very believable that Superman is stronger than Thor is through average showings of strength. Superman busts through shields and force fields (like GL shields) like nothing. I have a hard time believing Thor can do stuff like this without his hammer. As a matter of fact I have a hard time picturing Thor doing anything remotely uber without the possession of his hammer. Trust me, that hammer is giving him more power and durability somehow. shocklaugh

Originally posted by h1a8 Feats prove who's stronger on this forum. There is no other way to prove it since these characters don't really exist. That is why nearly everyone believes Superman is stronger.

Of course we use feats to prove who’s stronger. That’s why I’ve come to the conclusion that Thor and Superman are equals in that category. Thor has strength feats to match everyone of Superman’s.

Originally posted by h1a8 Now for the durability part. By you being a fan of Thor I'm pretty sure you know that Thor hasn't always been bulletproof. His durability to bullets throughout his career has been inconsistent.

He has been cut by mere blades and injured with mere bullets before. Superman on the other hand has never had this problem. Bullets been bouncing off him at full speed since his creation.

Inconsistent? Harmed by bullets and blades? Dude, when has Thor even been harmed by conventional weapons? I mean ever. The only time his been cut by a blade etc. was when he was severely weakened to the point he was basically human, and even then, a superhuman opponent who slashed him directly, only left a shallow gash that you can’t even tell without zooming in. In another instance, when he was weakened, a blade didn’t even cut him.

The only time his ever been harmed by a bullet was in the 90’s Black Panther series. A bullet from a Sniper penetrated his skin but could not penetrate his skull. Apparently the impact knocked him out. The impact of a freaking bullet knocked out Thor. And in that same issue, they had, Zuri, a Wakandian warrior without any superhuman abilities at all, go toe to toe with Thor for a period of time. Thor and the human warrior were apparently beating the shit out of each other in some epic battle. That issue was utter stupidity.

Originally posted by h1a8 Energy projection durability has always been Thor's forte though.
He is the god of thunder and thus can channel energy through his very being. Even his hammer absorbs energy. So energy projection durability of Thor's may be equal or greater than that of Superman's, but certainly this is not true for physical blunt force durability.

Thor’s resistance to all forms of attacks, whether energy attacks, or blunt force attacks. In terms of damage soak etc. the edge goes to Thor. Even cosmic entities have trouble actually putting him down for the count. He just keeps coming.

Originally posted by h1a8 Another reason it is very believable that Superman is stronger than Thor is through average showings of strength. Superman busts through shields and force fields (like GL shields) like nothing. I have a hard time believing Thor can do stuff like this without his hammer. As a matter of fact I have a hard time picturing Thor doing anything remotely uber without the possession of his hammer. Trust me, that hammer is giving him more power and durability somehow.

facepalm

You do know that all of Thor’s greatest strength feats don’t involve Mjolnir? Of course you don’t. You don’t read any Thor I’m willing to beat.

Mjolnir does not amp Thor up physically in anyway. To say it does is just stupid.

Originally posted by h1a8
At least twice

based on what?

Originally posted by Blanket
*has never read a comic involving Thor*

I currently own more than 10 Thor comics (the paper versions) and have read more than 20 all together. I'm nowhere near a Thor guru but I'm certainly not totally ignorant to him either.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Of course we use feats to prove who’s stronger. That’s why I’ve come to the conclusion that Thor and Superman are equals in that category. Thor has strength feats to match everyone of Superman’s.
No he doesn't. Nothing Thor has done can match Superman's best. But average showings should hold more weight right? Can Thor casually bust through highly durable shields with his fist (not hammer) or destroy mountains and moons with his punches. Hell no! One time he was frozen trapped by ice (I think) and needed mjolnir to bust him out. WTF? Superman never had that problem. Stop being bias dude and read more Superman. Thor being weaker in the strength department doesn't mean he can't beat Superman in a fight. Who would win is all that matters. right?

The fact that this never happened to Superman proves that he is and always been more durable than Thor. I mean if a bullet hits a target and fall to the ground vs. hit another target and ricochet off at full speed then it is common sense that the latter target is more durable.


Yes he is resistant to all forms of attack but so is Hulk and thousands of other characters. So what? The fact is he is very resistant against energy projection and no so much against blunt force trauma vs. the likes of Superman.
The bullet argument proves it.

You would lose that bet. I definitely own Thor comics (not very many though). Thor always had mjolnir in his possession in his greatest strength feats. This is a fact.

Sure thing. Then why is he weak as hell when it is knocked out of his hand or he doesn't have it period?

Originally posted by -Pr-
based on what? Based on average showings. Superman can split moons with his punches and casually bust through highly durable shields and force fields yet Thor will remain trapped in force fields or blocks without having Mjolnir. Thor also can't do much to a mountain with his punches. He needs mjolnir.

But based on comparing their best feats Superman is more than a million times stronger.

Originally posted by h1a8
Based on average showings. Superman can split moons with his punches and casually bust through highly durable shields and force fields yet Thor will remain trapped in force fields or blocks without having Mjolnir. Thor also can't do much to a mountain with his punches. He needs mjolnir.

But based on comparing their best feats Superman is more than a million times stronger.

that's not true at all. i haven't even read all the thor stuff, but i know enough to know that he's in superman's weight class.

Originally posted by h1a8
Feats prove who's stronger on this forum. There is no other way to prove it since these characters don't really exist. That is why nearly everyone believes Superman is stronger.

Now for the durability part. By you being a fan of Thor I'm pretty sure you know that Thor hasn't always been bulletproof. His durability to bullets throughout his career has been inconsistent.
He has been cut by mere blades and injured with mere bullets before. Superman on the other hand has never had this problem. Bullets been bouncing off him at full speed since his creation.

Energy projection durability has always been Thor's forte though.
He is the god of thunder and thus can channel energy through his very being. Even his hammer absorbs energy. So energy projection durability of Thor's may be equal or greater than that of Superman's, but certainly this is not true for physical blunt force durability.

Another reason it is very believable that Superman is stronger than Thor is through average showings of strength. Superman busts through shields and force fields (like GL shields) like nothing. I have a hard time believing Thor can do stuff like this without his hammer. As a matter of fact I have a hard time picturing Thor doing anything remotely uber without the possession of his hammer. Trust me, that hammer is giving him more power and durability somehow.



Your opening up a can of worms again friend.


Are you telling me since thanos dont have as many strength feats that hes weaker then superman? Or lifting feats that is. I think supes is physicaly stronger then thor. By a slight margin that is. But your claim that hes many times stronger is rediculous. Post as many lifting feats as you want on theses boards. I dont by it. We have went through this before about supes and no one agrees with ya.

Strength only

Superman 120
Silver Surfer (can amp) 90-115 (or maybe higher depends on the amp)
Wonder Woman 95
Sentry 90-110 (for all his hyping we have yet to see something to prove it)
Orion 120
Martian Manhunter 90-110 (depends on the comic - if Superman is also in it they tend to downplay MM)
Beta Ray Bill 110
Mongul (without rings) 95
Shaggy Man 115 (not taking into account his HF)
Thor 112
Hulk 80-???
Gladiator 100-110

But the thing is that for many of those characters an upper limit has never been mentioned, or is retconed very often.

So my list is based purely on average showings.
Also the numbers mean nothing really , just show who is stronger than who.

I'll do the whole physical category later

This thread just got real funny mostly due to a single poster...

i thought u guys were referring to the REAL Captain Marvel....u know Mar-Vell!


*SIDENOTE* Thor and Supes are equals in strength, its where their other abilities come in that u see the difference

Originally posted by Lord Feron
This thread just got real funny mostly due to a single poster...

Referring to me?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
This is difficult, as none of these character's have say a set limit, and so on.

Strength:

Superman - 100 (In general.)/ 105 (Not holding back. He does have superior feats as well, which doesn't necessarily count for much as they are shown to be equals, but I think that deserves taking into account.)
Silver Surfer (can amp) - 100 (Higher if we use his ability to amp/absorb energy at the highest level we've seen.)
Wonder Woman - 95
Sentry - 97 (On a good day. Less or even higher depending on emotional state.)
Orion - 100 (In general.)/105 (Not holding back and in berserker state.)
Martian Manhunter - 97
Beta Ray Bill - 100
Mongul (without rings) - 85
Shaggy Man - Depends on incarnation.
Thor - 100 (In General.)/106 (When not holding back. Dude has arguably the largest strength reserve out there outside of amping.)
Hulk - At base he is way down the list, but he can amp in strength. Hard to gauge.
Gladiator - 100 (On a confident day. Lower or higher depending on how confident he is. At his peak he has shown some incredible strength)

i like this rating the best, all these characters are shown to be pretty equal to eachother.

what do you guys rate thanos, darkseid, and lets say despero

Originally posted by h1a8 No he doesn't. Nothing Thor has done can match Superman's best. But average showings should hold more weight right?

Are you really this ignorant? Holy shit. You went from ignorant too stupid to borderline retarded in three posts. Congrats. That shit’s got to be a new record or something.

Thor’s strength feats cannot match Superman’s? Thor’s lifted the Midgard Serpent, shrugged of the weight of half the world, and withstood the weight of a score of planets. While weakened overpowered the freaking Yggdrasil and moved the World Engine itself. How the hell can Thor not match Superman’s strength feats?

Originally posted by h1a8 Can Thor casually bust through highly durable shields with his fist (not hammer) or destroy mountains and moons with his punches. Hell no!

facepalm

Are you serious? Beta Ray Bill can casually shatter moons, and one shot planets. Thor’s easily punched with enough force to wreck worlds apparently. He can’t hit with enough force to destroy mountains or moons? Ignorance at its finest.

Originally posted by h1a8 One time he was frozen trapped by ice (I think) and needed mjolnir to bust him out. WTF? Superman never had that problem. Stop being bias dude and read more Superman. Thor being weaker in the strength department doesn't mean he can't beat Superman in a fight. Who would win is all that matters. right?

You think? Show me a scan or reference me an issue of the instance you think it happened in, because frankly what you think isn’t worth anything to me.

Never had what problem? Frozen? I recall that happening against a group of child New Gods, albeit it was more than just freezing and he eventually broke out as I recall.

I’m biased? Fool, you’re the one who said Superman is a million times stronger than Thor. I don’t even know why I’m debating with you. You clearly don’t know shit.

Originally posted by h1a8
The fact that this never happened to Superman proves that he is and always been more durable than Thor. I mean if a bullet hits a target and fall to the ground vs. hit another target and ricochet off at full speed then it is common sense that the latter target is more durable.

First of all, stupid logic. Second of all, do I have to post scans of high caliber bullets and so on ricocheting off Thor?

Originally posted by h1a8 Yes he is resistant to all forms of attack but so is Hulk and thousands of other characters. So what? The fact is he is very resistant against energy projection and no so much against blunt force trauma vs. the likes of Superman.

The bullet argument proves it.

Are you stupid? Thor resistance to blunt force trauma is ridiculous. Easily on Superman’s level.

What does the bullet argument prove? The only thing it proves is that the writer is completely ignorant of Thor, and thinks his about as durable and as strong as Captain America.

Oh noes! Look:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/th_Trinity03-013.jpg

Superman was one shotted by someone who Wonder Woman can go toe to toe with. Clearly “THOR > SUPERMAN!!!!!”

Originally posted by h1a8 You would lose that bet. I definitely own Thor comics (not very many though). Thor always had mjolnir in his possession in his greatest strength feats. This is a fact.

sly

All of his greatest feats of strength involve using his own two hands. Mjolnir is either on his belt, or it’s held in his hand in the instances. A hammer doesn’t help you when you’re lifting an amount of weight, it doesn’t help you when you’re pushing/pulling an amount of weight.

Why does it even matter if Mjolnir is on his side? It doesn’t increase his strength or physical attributes in any way. Thor said best it here:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/th_RagnarokThor59.jpg

Mjolnir is just a tool.

Originally posted by h1a8 Sure thing. Then why is he weak as hell when it is knocked out of his hand or he doesn't have it period?

facepalm

What are you talking about? When is Thor as weak as hell without Mjolnir in hand? What are you even basing this garbage on? Shit, your delusional.

Common buddy, we don't need to use Konvikt.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Thor’s easily punched with enough force to wreck worlds apparently. so that would mean the hulk is durable enough to take many world-wrecking punches then

Why do people argue with that clown? He was doing okay for a bit but then... poof back to "I've already proved Superman is 1 million times stronger then Thor" hahaha

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you serious? Beta Ray Bill can casually shatter moons, and one shot planets. Thor’s easily punched with enough force to wreck worlds apparently. He can’t hit with enough force to destroy mountains or moons? Ignorance at its finest.




http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/Spire84/th_SecretWars4.jpg

Originally posted by Spire


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/Spire84/th_SecretWars4.jpg

Lulz.

Originally posted by Spire


http://i603.photobucket.com/albums/tt112/Spire84/th_SecretWars4.jpg

Secret Wars > Established History

I don't have to search hard for Hulk or Superman's respective low showings either.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Secret Wars > Established History

I don't have to search hard for Hulk or Superman's respective low showings either.

Do you have a scan of V3 i think it was issue 3 or 4 when Thor finds the warrior 3 and Thor hits the ground and tears the country into 2 pieces.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Do you have a scan of V3 i think it was issue 3 or 4 when Thor finds the warrior 3 and Thor hits the ground and tears the country into 2 pieces.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/th_SplitsCountry1.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/th_SplitsCountry2.jpg

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/th_SplitsCountry1.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/th_SplitsCountry2.jpg

Thanks buddy, If thor did that to the mountain i think he would of killed them. We could take the last post of secrets wars as Thor holdingback.

Originally posted by Sin I AM
i thought u guys were referring to the REAL Captain Marvel....u know Mar-Vell!


*SIDENOTE* Thor and Supes are equals in strength, its where their other abilities come in that u see the difference

don't let bada see that post...

Originally posted by h1a8
I currently own more than 10 Thor comics (the paper versions) and have read more than 20 all together. I'm nowhere near a Thor guru but I'm certainly not totally ignorant to him either. Ya, and Kris, Rage, and Me have read every Thor comic... and more.

Originally posted by h1a8
I currently own more than 10 Thor comics (the paper versions) and have read more than 20 all together. I'm nowhere near a Thor guru but I'm certainly not totally ignorant to him either.

No need to be modest, u clearly are an authority on the subject of Thors abilities. From the deep insights uve provided in this thread its clear that none of us here have read any of those rare comics u get ur info from.

10 down, 594 to go and h1 will be up to speed.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Are you really this ignorant? Holy shit. You went from ignorant too stupid to borderline retarded in three posts. Congrats. That shit’s got to be a new record or something.

Thor’s strength feats cannot match Superman’s? Thor’s lifted the Midgard Serpent, shrugged of the weight of half the world, and withstood the weight of a score of planets. While weakened overpowered the freaking Yggdrasil and moved the World Engine itself. How the hell can Thor not match Superman’s strength feats?
The Midgard Serpent feat is an invalid feat for two reasons. The boat assisted in the pulling and only the head of the Serpent was material. The World tree feat is unquantifiable, which means it is kinda invalid. But if you want to go that route Superman and WW lifted infinite weight when holding up the Spectre. The question is can Thor casually break through highly durable force fields with his own fists or do he remain trapped? It is a trick question.

The hammer is magic my friend, a pure plot device. I was referring to natural fists and not plot devices. Yes BFB can against super pluto smaller than moon like planets with the aid of Storm Breaker. But I bet you neither he nor Thor can't shatter a mountain with their fists. Your third sentence is false. He couldn't bust out. He need Mjolnir to do it. I'll try to find it. Superman is more than a million times stronger only going by best feats. By average showings I would say only at least twice. And that is being nice. Make sure the scans show that the bullets are clearly ricocheting off Thor's skin and not armor. By best feats maybe but certainly not statistically averaged throughout his career. He's been cut and hurt by bullets and blades for crying out loud and had references to him being able to be killed by bullets. Superman never had this nor has he had to block the bullets with a weapon to protect himself. The original writers have the best say in the matter. The current ones are the ones who are completely ignorant of Thor. You can't change a character from its original conception without explanation. That is complete ignorance. Going toe to toe with someone has nothing to do with who is stronger. And durability doesn't equal strength. With that said, Superman was suprised on that hit, or at least underestimated Konvict. A later meeting with Konvict proved it was a contradiction or at least Superman didn't underestimate him. Thor would have got his arse nearly knocked out too if the writers wanted to show how much of a force a new being is. This is a common strategy in comics. That is why Sentry was so uber in his first appearances but seem to settle down some. A gun is a tool and so is a real hammer. I could do astronomically more damage with a gun or hammer than with my fists. Yet Thor's hammer is even worst. Just imagine how much damage I can do with it vs. my own fists if I'm worthy to lift it. So your telling me Thor isn't weak as shit when Mjolnir is completely out of his possession? If so, then you my friend are delusional. Can Thor split planets, moons, or even mountains with his punches? Hell no! Can he bust through any type of force field under his own power. Hell no! He needs his precious magical hammer. He's nothing without it. And why has Ulik been such a problem for him in the past? Should Ulik be an insect to Thor?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/th_SplitsCountry1.jpghttp://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/th_SplitsCountry2.jpg

The hammer is a plot device. Just look at all the energy coming forth from in on the strike. I dare Thor try that with his fists. We would witness Utter fail.

Originally posted by h1a8
A gun is a tool and so is a real hammer. I could do astronomically more damage with a gun or hammer than with my fists. Yet Thor's hammer is even worst. Just imagine how much damage I can do with it vs. my own fists if I'm worthy to lift it. So your telling me Thor isn't weak as shit when Mjolnir is completely out of his possession? If so, then you my friend are delusional. Can Thor split planets, moons, or even mountains with his punches? Hell no! Can he bust through any type of force field under his own power. Hell no! He needs his precious magical hammer. He's nothing without it. And why has Ulik been such a problem for him in the past? Should Ulik be an insect to Thor?

He busted through one of Surfer's force fields during their first fight with his fist.

Originally posted by darthgoober
He busted through one of Surfer's force fields during their first fight with his fist. Thank you. now that's better. what issue is this?

Originally posted by h1a8
Thank you. now that's better. what issue is this?
Silver Surfer vol. 1 #4.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Thanks buddy, If thor did that to the mountain i think he would of killed them. We could take the last post of secrets wars as Thor holdingback. Really? was he lord of asgard in secret wars when the other feat took place?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus

Oh noes! Look:

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/th_Trinity03-013.jpg

Superman was one shotted by someone who Wonder Woman can go toe to toe with. Clearly “THOR > SUPERMAN!!!!!”

Being downed momentarily with an unexpectedly strong hit and then hopping up and finishing the guy in the same encounter doens't really constitute being KOed.

It's formulaic. Just like when you see a bad-guy get burried under rubble, and everyone's looking around like "whew, we did it." then the smoke clears and he stands up from the rubble like "that all you got?"

Originally posted by h1a8
The Midgard Serpent feat is an invalid feat for two reasons. The boat assisted in the pulling and only the head of the Serpent was material.

facepalm
Weve been over this before h1, and both of those statements arent true. The serpents entire body was material and i showed this with scans of people actually walking across the serpents body. And the boat didnt assist in the pulling of the serpent at all.

Anyhow i wont bother with u anymore. u are clearly beyond helping.

Originally posted by Juntai
Really? was he lord of asgard in secret wars when the other feat took place?

Doesn't matter doesn't matter i don't seem any amping here from the Odinpower. Plus Thor can fly thru onslaught'a armour with ease something it took a bannerless hulk to do and he can't do it to a mountain?

Also he talks about uses his power from his motherside not the odinpower right befroe he does it.

Originally posted by DarkOdin
Doesn't matter doesn't matter i don't seem any amping here from the Odinpower. Plus Thor can fly thru onslaught'a armour with ease something it took a bannerless hulk to do and he can't do it to a mountain? It certainly matters.

I'm not justifying the mountain scan as that looked like trash, I'm telling you comparing Thor with the Odinforce compared to Thor without isn't a good comparison.

Originally posted by Juntai
It certainly matters.

I'm not justifying the mountain scan as that looked like trash, I'm telling you comparing Thor with the Odinforce compared to Thor without isn't a good comparison.

I edited my replay he was uses his mothers power set not the odin power if anything as he says he is envoking the power of him mother. Also Thor only had a small part of the odinpower as stated by himself. So yes it doesn't matter.

and so we are all happy...

Originally posted by h1a8 The Midgard Serpent feat is an invalid feat for two reasons. The boat assisted in the pulling and only the head of the Serpent was material. The World tree feat is unquantifiable, which means it is kinda invalid. But if you want to go that route Superman and WW lifted infinite weight when holding up the Spectre. The question is can Thor casually break through highly durable force fields with his own fists or do he remain trapped? It is a trick question.

What the hell are you talking about how was it invalid? That doesn’t even make sense, if only its head was material than how the hell was its grip threatening to crush the Earth? In what way did the boat assist besides giving Thor something to stand on?

sly

It not being truly quantifiable does not in any way make invalid. Shit, you’re the one who started referencing unquantifiable feats, first fool like the instance in Superman: Beyond. Lol at you and your double standards.

Of course he can, fool. Read some damn Thor. His broken through Force Fields from beings like the Silver Surfer, Kang the Time Conqueror etc. with his fists.

Originally posted by h1a8 The hammer is magic my friend, a pure plot device. I was referring to natural fists and not plot devices. Yes BFB can against super pluto smaller than moon like planets with the aid of Storm Breaker. But I bet you neither he nor Thor can't shatter a mountain with their fists. Your third sentence is false.

A plot device? Yes it is incredibly versatile but it being magical and versatile doesn’t change the fact that it’s nothing more than a hammer when it comes to blunt force damage.

sly

He was one shotting planets. What makes you say they were smaller than Pluto? Also I was referring to the instance in Omega Flight where he referenced doing that without Stormbreaker.
I’m done trying to argue with you at this point.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/th_AplanetBuster3.jpg

Clearly Thor cannot shatter mountains.

No it’s not.

Originally posted by h1a8 He couldn't bust out. He need Mjolnir to do it. I'll try to find it.

Please do. I’m not taking your word for it.

Originally posted by h1a8 Superman is more than a million times stronger only going by best feats. By average showings I would say only at least twice. And that is being nice.

What the **** are you talking about? How in the hell is Superman a more than a million times stronger than Thor? Going by best feats or not? Are you related to Jelly from HeroChat?

Prove to me, that Superman is more than a million times stronger than Thor going by best feats. Please attempt to prove this to me.

Shit, I’ll have a freaking battle zone with you on this damn discussion if that’s what it takes. Until you prove so, stop spouting stupidity as if it was fact. Thor’s best feats, of strength match Superman’s. Even if you pull out unquantifiable shit, like the Infinite Pages Book, we have shit like Thor overpowering the Yggdrasil while weakened.

He is not twice as strong Thor by average showings. Where are you getting this freaking stupidity from?

Originally posted by h1a8 Make sure the scans show that the bullets are clearly ricocheting off Thor's skin and not armor.

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Thor/th_Bulletsuseless.jpg

Originally posted by h1a8 By best feats maybe but certainly not statistically averaged throughout his career. He's been cut and hurt by bullets and blades for crying out loud and had references to him being able to be killed by bullets. Superman never had this nor has he had to block the bullets with a weapon to protect himself.

facepalm

Reading shit like this, I feel like just giving up.
Yes statistically averaged throughout his career, has been portrayed to be on Superman’s level easily.

When has he ever been cut and hurt by bullets and/or blades, ever outside of a single instance, in that Black Panther issue which was blatant plot induced stupidity? Show me any of the shit you’ve stated.

Thor uses Mjolnir as a defense mechanism. Great. What does this prove if we have instances of him clearly not being harmed by bullets?

Originally posted by h1a8 The original writers have the best say in the matter. The current ones are the ones who are completely ignorant of Thor. You can't change a character from its original conception without explanation. That is complete ignorance.

What in the hell are you talking about? That writer of the Black Panther issue in the late 90’s was an original writer? His some prick I’ve never heard off. That idiot had Thor at Wolverine’s level of strength based on that issue. He had no idea who the hell Thor was based on that. What original conception? You mean the original conception that Thor was created to be more powerful and stronger than beings like the Hulk by Stan Lee? Created to be nigh invulnerable? That doesn’t help your ridiculous argument in the slightest.

Originally posted by h1a8 Going toe to toe with someone has nothing to do with who is stronger. And durability doesn't equal strength. With that said, Superman was suprised on that hit, or at least underestimated Konvict. A later meeting with Konvict proved it was a contradiction or at least Superman didn't underestimate him. Thor would have got his arse nearly knocked out too if the writers wanted to show how much of a force a new being is. This is a common strategy in comics. That is why Sentry was so uber in his first appearances but seem to settle down some.

You missed my point completely.

You kept arguing around a single instance of Thor being injured by a bullet as if it was the normal standard of the character. So I in turn posted a scan of Superman being one shotted by someone Wonder Woman can go toe to toe with and match in strength apparently. So clearly, “Thor > Superman” based on that scan combined with your logic.

Oh shit, really? I didn’t know that. Guess what else is a contradiction? All the times bullets and other conventional shit have been unable to harm Thor.

Don’t try and give Clark a cop out. He got knocked the **** out, end of story. Nothing else matters. I can play your game too.

Originally posted by h1a8 A gun is a tool and so is a real hammer. I could do astronomically more damage with a gun or hammer than with my fists. Yet Thor's hammer is even worst. Just imagine how much damage I can do with it vs. my own fists if I'm worthy to lift it.

It becomes kind of inconsequential when your nigh-invulnerable, and can shatter planets with your fists.

Completely faulty logic. You would gain vast superhuman strength if you were worthy enough to lift Mjolinr.

Originally posted by h1a8 So your telling me Thor isn't weak as shit when Mjolnir is completely out of his possession? If so, then you my friend are delusional.

Oh I'm delusional am I? So if I’m so delusional, then why is Thor as successful as he is against the Hulk, Hercules, Namor, Juggernaut etc. without his hammer? If his weak as shit, than that makes them as weak as shit too, apparently. Christ….

Originally posted by h1a8 Can Thor split planets, moons, or even mountains with his punches? Hell no! Can he bust through any type of force field under his own power. Hell no! He needs his precious magical hammer. He's nothing without it. And why has Ulik been such a problem for him in the past? Should Ulik be an insect to Thor?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/Motifake/th_facepalm-lion-facepalm-demotivation.jpg

You really don’t know shit about Thor, do you? Like I shit talk a lot, but I didn’t know you were really this ignorant.

I’m not going to dignify that stupidity with any comment.

Originally posted by h1a8 The hammer is a plot device. Just look at all the energy coming forth from in on the strike. I dare Thor try that with his fists. We would witness Utter fail.

facepalm

Energy? You mean lightning. Lightning flies here and there plenty of times when Thor fights or does something impressive. Shit’s like his trademark.

You my friend are hopeless.

Originally posted by Juntai
Being downed momentarily with an unexpectedly strong hit and then hopping up and finishing the guy in the same encounter doens't really constitute being KOed.

It's formulaic. Just like when you see a bad-guy get burried under rubble, and everyone's looking around like "whew, we did it." then the smoke clears and he stands up from the rubble like "that all you got?"

that and the fact that superman pretty much invited the guy to hit him.

Originally posted by Juntai
Being downed momentarily with an unexpectedly strong hit and then hopping up and finishing the guy in the same encounter doens't really constitute being KOed.

It's formulaic. Just like when you see a bad-guy get burried under rubble, and everyone's looking around like "whew, we did it." then the smoke clears and he stands up from the rubble like "that all you got?"

I wasn't actually trying to use that as an actual evidence. Just to make that clear. Now.....

He was punched in the face, and was down. Hell, his eyes were closed. He was momentarily knocked out for a period of time. Shit, he was weakened from that punch apparently.

What do you mean finishing the guy? They beat Konvict with Batman's plan.

Not really. Not when the dude is momentarily knocked out.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I wasn't actually trying to use that as an actual evidence. Just to make that clear. Now.....

He was punched in the face, and was down. Hell, his eyes were closed. He was momentarily knocked out for a period of time. Shit, he was weakened from that punch apparently.

What do you mean finishing the guy? They beat Konvict with Batman's plan.

Not really. Not when the dude is momentarily knocked out.

eyes closed for that short a period = unconscious?

not imo.

and superman did believe he could beat konvikt one on one, but when called by bruce went to him, not wanting his pride to interfere.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
I wasn't actually trying to use that as an actual evidence. Just to make that clear. Now.....

He was punched in the face, and was down. Hell, his eyes were closed. He was momentarily knocked out for a period of time. Shit, he was weakened from that punch apparently.

What do you mean finishing the guy? They beat Konvict with Batman's plan.

Not really. Not when the dude is momentarily knocked out.

http://img412.imageshack.us/i/blackpanther08p11cl0.jpg/
http://img412.imageshack.us/i/blackpanther08p12ig1.jpg/

Superman. Exploding Gas Station.

Originally posted by -Pr-
eyes closed for that short a period = unconscious?

not imo.

and superman did believe he could beat konvikt one on one, but when called by bruce went to him, not wanting his pride to interfere.

Not simply that his eyes were closed. He was lying their unmoving. It seemed pretty clear that he was unconscious albeit it was brief. Shit, he was even weakened by it.

He believed it. That's great. I believe Superman can put Konvict down too. As long as he doesn't try to block fists with his face that is.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman. Exploding Gas Station.



Not simply that his eyes were closed. He was lying their unmoving. It seemed pretty clear that he was unconscious albeit it was brief. Shit, he was even weakened by it.

He believed it. That's great. I believe Superman can put Konvict down too. As long as he doesn't try to block fists with his face that is.

superman has had a definite upgrade since then, though.

you've never fallen over and taken a breath before getting back up? i don't think it was clear at all, tbh.

weakened? how?

Originally posted by -Pr-
superman has had a definite upgrade since then, though.

you've never fallen over and taken a breath before getting back up? i don't think it was clear at all, tbh.

weakened? how?

Lol. Dude was put down by a Gas Station. Still in continuity.

What's the point of this discussion again?

That's your example? Clark was punched in the face. He fell down. He wasn't moving at all. He was portrayed clearly out of it. It was a momentarily knock out. What else was it?

In the next issue, it was stated that Konvict weakened him more than he fought. I believe it was Wonder Woman who stated it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Superman. Exploding Gas Station.



Not simply that his eyes were closed. He was lying their unmoving. It seemed pretty clear that he was unconscious albeit it was brief. Shit, he was even weakened by it.

He believed it. That's great. I believe Superman can put Konvict down too. As long as he doesn't try to block fists with his face that is.

Yeah...

Gas station explosion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullet

Originally posted by batdude123
Yeah...

Gas station explosion>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>bullet

Prove it.

Still, both have low showings. Thor knocked out by the force of a bullet is even stupider than Superman being knocked out by the force of an exploding gas station.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Prove it.

Originally posted by batdude123


Hint: I wasn't serious.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Hint: I wasn't serious.

batdude

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Lol. Dude was put down by a Gas Station. Still in continuity.

What's the point of this discussion again?

That's your example? Clark was punched in the face. He fell down. He wasn't moving at all. He was portrayed clearly out of it. It was a momentarily knock out. What else was it?

In the next issue, it was stated that Konvict weakened him more than he fought. I believe it was Wonder Woman who stated it. Would you say then, that Masterson KOed Thanos with the Power Gem?

Originally posted by Juntai
Would you say then, that Masterson KOed Thanos with the Power Gem?

Was Thanos clearly down and out of it?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Was Thanos clearly down and out of it? http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4324/theinfinitygauntlet0433zj3.jpg

Originally posted by Juntai
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4324/theinfinitygauntlet0433zj3.jpg

And what happens next?

Do we see Thanos lying on the ground, for a period of time, obviously out of it like Superman was?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
And what happens next?

Do we see Thanos lying on the ground, for a period of time, obviously out of it like Superman was? Thats the end of the issue, I think, just like in Trinity in the Superman occasion.

But he lays there long enough for Dr Doom to come flying in and start trying to wrestle the glove off of him before he gets up and whoops everyone.

Originally posted by Juntai
http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/4324/theinfinitygauntlet0433zj3.jpg

How about you show the next panel

Originally posted by Juntai
Thats the end of the issue, I think, just like in Trinity in the Superman occasion.

But he lays there long enough for Dr Doom to come flying in and start trying to wrestle the glove off of him before he gets up and whoops everyone.

Post the next panel.

Let's make this simpler.

Do you classify what happened to Superman as a knock out?

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e139/RageOfTheGod/th_Trinity03-013.jpg

Originally posted by DarkOdin
How about you show the next panel Well, we're just showing the KO shots right?
That's what he did with Superman.
Ignoring the fact Superman got back up during the same fight, just like Thanos did there.

I'm not ignoring anything. Post the page next issue. It happens in Trinity #4. Post the first two pages, if it makes you feel better. Hell I would myself, if I could access the issue.

Superman was down and out. What's there to discuss other than the duration?

Originally posted by Juntai
Well, we're just showing the KO shots right?
That's what he did with Superman.
Ignoring the fact Superman got back up during the same fight, just like Thanos did there.

context please we see supes clearly knocked out. Here thanos is still bracing himself to get up. IF in the next panel we see Thanos laying flat not getting him out then it is a ko IF is rising to his feet different story now stop stalling and post it or admit your fishing

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Post the next panel.

Let's make this simpler.

Do you classify what happened to Superman as a knock out? He gets up and turns Thor to glass.

No sir.
KO to me, on the forum, suggests you've been taken out of the fight. The fight is over. Superman was back up and going in the same encounter. Unless you're trying to adopt some sort of MMA Las Vegas Athletic commision version of KO.

http://img141.imageshack.us/i/theinfinitygauntlet0416dr8.jpg/
This is the one I was thinking of with Doom. I'd posted the wrong one a moment ago.
Thanos, eyes closed, laying flat out.

Originally posted by Juntai
Thats the end of the issue, I think, just like in Trinity in the Superman occasion.

But he lays there long enough for Dr Doom to come flying in and start trying to wrestle the glove off of him before he gets up and whoops everyone.
You're remembering things a little mixed up.

Doom wasn't part of that little lock up...
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7569/theinfinitygauntlet0433.th.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3947/theinfinitygauntlet0434.th.jpg

The thing with Doom happened earlier...
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6813/theinfinitygauntlet0416.th.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9875/theinfinitygauntlet0417.th.jpg

...and neither was at the end of the issue. Don't worry though, it happens to the best of us smokers .

Originally posted by Juntai
He gets up and turns Thor to glass.

No sir.
KO to me, on the forum, suggests you've been taken out of the fight. The fight is over. Superman was back up and going in the same encounter. Unless you're trying to adopt some sort of MMA Las Vegas Athletic commision version of KO.

http://img141.imageshack.us/i/theinfinitygauntlet0416dr8.jpg/
This is the one I was thinking of with Doom.
Thanos, eyes closed, laying flat out.

Not the same here we have thanos KOed as shown in the next panel. I take it supes was no were to be found for a few panels So it is a KO. It is one think to get knocked down and get up it is another to be layed out on the ground not moving

Originally posted by darthgoober
You're remembering things a little mixed up.

Doom wasn't part of that little lock up...
http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/7569/theinfinitygauntlet0433.th.jpg
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3947/theinfinitygauntlet0434.th.jpg

The thing with Doom happened earlier...
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/6813/theinfinitygauntlet0416.th.jpg
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9875/theinfinitygauntlet0417.th.jpg

...and neither was at the end of the issue. Don't worry though, it happens to the best of us smokers . Eh, I corrected myself that I'd had the encoutner wrong. :d

Actually, I quit smoking, almost. Been high like one time in almost 3 months now.

Originally posted by Juntai
He gets up and turns Thor to glass.

No sir.
KO to me, on the forum, suggests you've been taken out of the fight. The fight is over. Superman was back up and going in the same encounter. Unless you're trying to adopt some sort of MMA Las Vegas Athletic commision version of KO.

http://img141.imageshack.us/i/theinfinitygauntlet0416dr8.jpg/
This is the one I was thinking of with Doom.
Thanos, eyes closed, laying flat out.

So he wasn't out of the fight.

Superman was punched in the face. He was out of it. Shit, he was out of it next issue. He start's getting up the second page, but it's rather clear he was out of it. Shit, that punch freaking weakened him.

From what I remember of that fight, at best you can say that, Thanos was put down for a panel, as when Doom tried to take the gauntlet, even though it seemed as Thanos was down he was defeated. Based on that, it can even be argued he was playing possum.