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I'm just curious what the more progressive people on this forum(Of which there seems to be many) think about it.

I haven't read it. Thanks for asking, though.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
I'm just curious what the more progressive people on this forum(Of which there seems to be many) think about it. Haven't read it, tell more.

who is the author?

whats it about?

should i wait for the movie starring jennifer aniston??

Originally posted by Bardock42
Haven't read it, tell more.


Google is your friend.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Google is your friend.

Could, want him to tell more.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Could, want him to tell more.

If you want to know more:

Originally posted by dadudemon
Google is your friend.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If you want to know more:

Don't, want him to tell me.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Don't, want him to tell me.

So, you don't want to know more, you want to troll? Why?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Could, want him to tell more. The Hatch's Notes version:

Julian West is a famous man living in 1887 Boston. He undergoes hypnosis and wakes up in the year 2000. He encounters a utopian society where everything is perfectly orderly and boring. All markets have been removed from society and everything is centrally planned by a few overarching residents deemed to be worthy. The civil servants only recieve minimal pay, but consider the social welfare to be of the utmost importance. West sees Boston's urban planning from atop a skyscraper and sees perfect order and harmony where there was none in his lifetime. There are regular public marches, the mandatory retirement age is 45, and the idea of a private life is considered apocrypha. Everyone gets the exact same amount of pay each year.


It's kind of hard to describe the impact of the book without reading it first. I made the thread because the general political bent here seems to be left. And a leftist can't really justify their beliefs without avoiding the fact that progressive ideas by necessity need coercion to do anything meaningful.

Edit: DWH beat me to it.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
The Hatch's Notes version:

Julian West is a famous man living in 1887 Boston. He undergoes hypnosis and wakes up in the year 2000. He encounters a utopian society where everything is perfectly orderly and boring. All markets have been removed from society and everything is centrally planned by a few overarching residents deemed to be worthy. The civil servants only recieve minimal pay, but consider the social welfare to be of the utmost importance. West sees Boston's urban planning from atop a skyscraper and sees perfect order and harmony where there was none in his lifetime. There are regular public marches, the mandatory retirement age is 45, and the idea of a private life is considered apocrypha. Everyone gets the exact same amount of pay each year.


It's kind of hard to describe the impact of the book without reading it first. I made the thread because the general political bent here seems to be left. And a leftist can't really justify their beliefs without avoiding the fact that progressive ideas by necessity need coercion to do anything meaningful. Ah, so that's a utopian novel describing communism (or some sort of socialism) as ideal? And I am not sure what you mean with progressive minded people, do you mean the social democrats we have? Or the libertarians? Or what?

Originally posted by dadudemon
So, you don't want to know more, you want to troll? Why?

I just want him to tell me!!!!!!! Stop trolling me.

Originally posted by Dr Will Hatch
And a leftist can't really justify their beliefs without avoiding the fact that progressive ideas by necessity need coercion to do anything meaningful.
What? Since when?

Originally posted by Bardock42
I just want him to tell me!!!!!!! Stop trolling me.

Calling out the tactics of a troll is hardly trolling. Nice try, though.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Calling out the tactics of a troll is hardly trolling. Nice try, though.

Dude, someone posting "have you read this book?" and someone in reply saying "no, what is is about?" is not trolling, so stop being a dumbass.

Originally posted by Robtard
Dude, someone posting "have you read this book?" and someone in reply saying "no, what is is about?" is not trolling, so stop being a dumbass.

That'd be true if that' what he wanted.

However, that's not what he wants. He wants to troll a newb. Something not new to Bardock's actions.

Originally posted by dadudemon
That'd be true if that' what he wanted.

However, that's not what he wants. He wants to troll a newb. Something not new to Bardock's actions.

I think your previous:

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2420/17486319.jpg

over Bardock42's post yesterday is causing you to reach now, German asked a simple question, nothing more.

Originally posted by Robtard
I think your previous:

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2420/17486319.jpg

over Bardock42's post yesterday is causing you to reach now, German asked a simple question, nothing more.

That has nothing to do with it. If you must know, I apologized to Bardock in IM about getting pissed over it.




However, I'm giving Bardock a hard time about what he's doing because we both know he's just trying to get under that poster's skin, as he does. What he's doing is very typical behavior on his part. WHY does he need to know what the book is about from THAT particular poster? hmm?

You think that's air you're breathing?

Because the thread starter read the book, so he'd probably be qualified to tell Bardock the basics of it.

Yes; it is 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases.

Next question(s).

Originally posted by Robtard
Because the thread starter read the book, so he'd probably be qualified to tell Bardock the basics of it.


Stop justifying his trolling. Bards can EASILY look up that information himself. It's not like the poster is some long lost buddy that always has spot-on book reviews that Bards has come to rely on over the years.

Originally posted by Robtard
Yes; it is 78.08% nitrogen, 20.95% oxygen, 0.93% argon, 0.038% carbon dioxide, and trace amounts of other gases.

Next question(s).

Nice.




And, you know damn what what he's doing. That's Bardock. That's the kind of b.s. he does.

Me with my smartass replies, you with your insults, Bards with his a**holeish questions, and RJ with his smilies. We do things that piss people off.

Okay, be a dumbass.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Calling out the tactics of a troll is hardly trolling. Nice try, though.

How did I troll? I asked him to tell me more, he did, I gave an opinion and further questions. Don't be silly, if anyone is trolling it is, in fact, you.

You have some weird view of me in which I am an evil genius just waiting to troll "newbs", which Will Hatch isn't by the way, I had previous talk with him, I wanted him to give me his view, because I knew there would be his bias in the answer which would make for a more interesting discussion. Yes I could have googled it and found out about the book but that would have a) been more work for me and b) wouldn't have4 had the personal touch that made this thread in the first place. It was evident from the start that he is probably against what he calls the proggressive element, I wanted to know more about that, which my follow up questions should signal.

And yes, if anyone is trolling it is you, as evident by you admitting that you targeted me on some theory you had, and your total lack of interest in the topic. Perhaps Robtard is right that you are trying to get back at me for the little incident yesterday, or it is just generally what you like to do, but I did not troll.

I find it amusing how Dadu didn't point out botankus's pointless post(sorry Botankus ) that came before Bardoks reply...

Let's get back onto the subject of the book that Bardock has actually tried to talk about in here already, unlike some...



The book is now on my to read list.

Ok, so anyways.


Seems like an interesting read. I'll pick it up next time I'm at the bookstore, then there can actually be a discussion about the book! Which is what this thread is about!