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Hal Jordan
Green Arrow
Donna Troy
Mon- El
Congorilla
Batman
Starfire
The Guardian
Doctor Light
Cyborg
Ray Palmer



Discuss


Hope this isn't old news....

New Batman, yes? They're not bringing back Bruce so quickly I hope.

Congorilla?!

I like that the Titans are actually starting to graduate. I guess a successful cartoon series is enough to boost them to the big-time books. And I like Ray Palmer....not the "boo-hoo my wife" Ray Palmer. But the lateral thinker who occasionally solves things even Batman can't.

Originally posted by Digi
New Batman, yes? They're not bringing back Bruce so quickly I hope.

Congorilla?!

I like that the Titans are actually starting to graduate. I guess a successful cartoon series is enough to boost them to the big-time books. And I like Ray Palmer....not the "boo-hoo my wife" Ray Palmer. But the lateral thinker who occasionally solves things even Batman can't.

If you are as big a fan of the new Batman as I am, you'll be delighted to know the new JLA roundup has Dick Grayson as Batman!

I see they're going for a new generation trinity, kinda like how USAgent, War Machine and Thunderstrike replaced Cap, Iron-man and Thor for a while.

But in a good way.


Plus we get to see Mark Bagley draw the new Batman for more than three issues!!!

so he's just carrying over half the cast of the cry for justice book? well, if that's anything to go by...

Robinson's getting all these major titles with fantastic artists, interesting characters and lots of potential for fun......


I think Hal and Ollie are fantastic.....Prometheus is a great villain...

as for JLA.....I cannot wait to see Dick Grayson interact with the wider DCU.

.....yet Robinson is still managing to bore me at the moment. With all that he's being given to work with, I actually think that's harder to do than write a good story. I've got nothing against the guy, but his characterisation and dialogue is soooo off for every person, it's crazy.

It's like reading All Star Batman and Robin all over again. All the ingredients for a good story is there but it still manages to go wrong. Chocolate = nice. Chicken = nice. Chocolate Chicken =

I just hope to god they give Koriand'r some real character development and don't screw her up by rehashing KoryxDick jealousy.

Cyborg doesn't feel like a JLA-er to me, but whatever.

The lack of a Flash or magic character doesnt sit well with me. Wheres Zatara?

Originally posted by jrodslam
The lack of a Flash or magic character doesnt sit well with me. Wheres Zatara?

Zatanna is rumored to be getting her own mini and will end up joining after it's finished.

Flash... idk.
They don't really need a speedster.

Originally posted by Konton
Hal Jordan
Green Arrow
Donna Troy
Mon- El
Congorilla
Batman
Starfire
The Guardian
Doctor Light
Cyborg
Ray Palmer



Discuss


Hope this isn't old news....

Originally posted by Konton
Zatanna is rumored to be getting her own mini and will end up joining after it's finished.

Flash... idk.
They don't really need a speedster.

Well that would be great, but i was talking about her cousin. Zatara, the titan.

Actually, the lack of a speedster is surprising. There's more of them ever in the DCU right now. Where are they going to put them all?!

Originally posted by jrodslam
Well that would be great, but i was talking about her cousin. Zatara, the titan.

I know. But having them both on the team would be redundant and unnecessary. Having him on the JL at all would probably give reason to not allow Zatanna her random appearances. And everybody loves them some fishnets.

Originally posted by Digi
Actually, the lack of a speedster is surprising. There's more of them ever in the DCU right now. Where are they going to put them all?!

aye. plus, for tactical reasons, they usually benefit from having a speedster.

i have no idea why Mon-El got the nod, though. What about Conner? Helping to save the multiverse wasn't a big enough achievement to get him on the team?

Mon is probably be more powerful, but power isn't something i think Robinson particularly cares about after putting this team together...

Originally posted by -Pr-
aye. plus, for tactical reasons, they usually benefit from having a speedster.

i have no idea why Mon-El got the nod, though. What about Conner? Helping to save the multiverse wasn't a big enough achievement to get him on the team?

Mon is probably be more powerful, but power isn't something i think Robinson particularly cares about after putting this team together...

Mon-El. Obviously a Superman archetype, but what's the relation exactly? Also, who is the Guardian?

And I assume Connor has to gay it up some more with Tim Drake for a while before he can be considered big time. And Superman himself isn't MIA. I'm surprised DC green-lighted a JLA with only 1 of the Big 3.

Originally posted by Digi
Mon-El. Obviously a Superman archetype, but what's the relation exactly? Also, who is the Guardian?

And I assume Connor has to gay it up some more with Tim Drake for a while before he can be considered big time. And Superman himself isn't MIA. I'm surprised DC green-lighted a JLA with only 1 of the Big 3.

guardian is probably the blue and yellow guy from superman.

you consider dick one of the big three just because he's wearing the cowl?

Originally posted by Digi


And I assume Connor has to gay it up some more with Tim Drake for a while before he can be considered big time. .

The f*ck is that supposed to mean?

Tim Drake is both awesome,and all man.

Hal Jordan
Green Arrow
Donna Troy
Mon- El
Congorilla
Batman
Starfire
The Guardian
Doctor Light
Cyborg
Ray Palmer

IMO one of the worst lineups ever.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
The f*ck is that supposed to mean?

Tim Drake is both awesome,and all man.



Don't take it too seriously. I like him too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
you consider dick one of the big three just because he's wearing the cowl?

I...yes. For marketing purposes at least. Do you consider Kal-El one of the big 3 because he's not Kal-L? It's possible to move on and still have the character.

Ray and Hal.

The rest can go fudge themselves.

And nobody likes the female Doctor Light but Paul.

Originally posted by Digi


Don't take it too seriously. I like him too.



I...yes. For marketing purposes at least. Do you consider Kal-El one of the big 3 because he's not Kal-L? It's possible to move on and still have the character.

that's different.

Originally posted by Kris Blaze
Ray and Hal.

The rest can go fudge themselves.

And nobody likes the female Doctor Light but Paul.

true.

Originally posted by -Pr-
you consider dick one of the big three just because he's wearing the cowl?


HE'S EARNED IT!!!!!!!

Originally posted by willRules
HE'S EARNED IT!!!!!!!

a spot in the jla? sure. part of the trinity? nah...

I hate the idea of Dick replacing Bruce as Batman.

Originally posted by batdude123
I hate the idea of Dick replacing Bruce as Batman.

i don't consider him a replacement, personally. he's a short term sub, nothing more.

dick was always much better as nightwing, imo. he'd carved out his own name and reputation in that guise, and he was all the better for it, imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i don't consider him a replacement, personally. he's a short term sub, nothing more.

dick was always much better as nightwing, imo. he'd carved out his own name and reputation in that guise, and he was all the better for it, imo.

The fact that he's dawning the cowl just doesn't sit well with me.

I freaking love it. I really do. And I don't dislike Bruce at all. Not sure why I feel that way, but meh. I can still see Batman as Batman, regardless of who is under the mask, provided they're true enough to the spirit of the character. I think a few successful transitions among superheros (WW, Superman, GL, Flash, etc.) have shown us that the character itself exists outside the individuals who embody the roles at any particular time. I love the idea of Batman, then, but I'm not too tied up on who is him.

uhuh

Originally posted by Digi
I freaking love it. I really do. And I don't dislike Bruce at all. Not sure why I feel that way, but meh. I can still see Batman as Batman, regardless of who is under the mask, provided they're true enough to the spirit of the character. I think a few successful transitions among superheros (WW, Superman, GL, Flash, etc.) have shown us that the character itself exists outside the individuals who embody the roles at any particular time. I love the idea of Batman, then, but I'm not too tied up on who is him.

why on earth did you include superman and wonder woman? kal-el has been the primary superman for two generations, and there was almost no difference between him and his predecessor. they were clearly meant to be the same guy, just rebooted.

diana has been wonder woman practially forever (bar one or two short lived breaks).

dick being batman is not the same thing at all.

Originally posted by Digi
I freaking love it. I really do. And I don't dislike Bruce at all. Not sure why I feel that way, but meh. I can still see Batman as Batman, regardless of who is under the mask, provided they're true enough to the spirit of the character. I think a few successful transitions among superheros (WW, Superman, GL, Flash, etc.) have shown us that the character itself exists outside the individuals who embody the roles at any particular time. I love the idea of Batman, then, but I'm not too tied up on who is him.

Completely agree.

I thought the Father/Son dynamic between Bruce and Dick was always one of the more interesting character studies in comics. I always got that legacy vibe off Nightwing but before FC, I'd never have thought DC would have the balls to go through with it.

I'm so glad they have. I also love the fact that he's a different Batman to Bruce. He's slightly leaner in posture, more acrobatic and agile to Bruce's cool but strong demeanour and he's much more light hearted in personality than his emotionless predecessor.

I love that the whole light and dark dynamic has been reversed with the new Batman and Robin. It's simple and yet so refreshing. I only hope Dick stays as Batman for at least as long as Bucky's been Cap. Preferably longer.

Originally posted by -Pr-
why on earth did you include superman and wonder woman? kal-el has been the primary superman for two generations, and there was almost no difference between him and his predecessor. they were clearly meant to be the same guy, just rebooted.

diana has been wonder woman practially forever (bar one or two short lived breaks).

dick being batman is not the same thing at all.

PC Superman was clearly a different character. Hell, Kal fighting him in the last Lantern book was a stark reminder of this. Diana, sure, I'll concede that. But it's definitely true for Superman, and in fact makes my point. An established, decades-old character got utterly replaced. He's been Superman for 2 generations, sure. Earth-2 Superman was the man for at least 3-4 before that. And no one seemed to mind because the essential character was still intact. It's very possible, for even the biggest of characters.

Flash is another great example. Didio's fetish with the Silver Age aside, Flash would've been fine if Barry had never come back. Or if Jay had died too, and Wally was the Flash.

Batman & Bruce Wayne are synonymous. The same way Superman and Clark Kent are. The same way Spiderman and Peter Parker are. Which is why I don't dislike Dick wearing the mantle. He is not Batman. He knows it. I know it. And Grant Morrison, along with other writers, have made it very clear that Bruce Wayne and Batman are one and the same. I just sit back and enjoy the ride until Bruce comes back.

As for the JLA, I really want it to be good, but..

Originally posted by Digi
PC Superman was clearly a different character. Hell, Kal fighting him in the last Lantern book was a stark reminder of this. Diana, sure, I'll concede that. But it's definitely true for Superman, and in fact makes my point. An established, decades-old character got utterly replaced. He's been Superman for 2 generations, sure. Earth-2 Superman was the man for at least 3-4 before that. And no one seemed to mind because the essential character was still intact. It's very possible, for even the biggest of characters.

Flash is another great example. Didio's fetish with the Silver Age aside, Flash would've been fine if Barry had never come back. Or if Jay had died too, and Wally was the Flash.

i never said he wasn't a different character. i said the intention was to make the transition smooth, because they weren't that different, which they weren't bar power levels. that superman was still clark kent. he still dated lois. he still saved jimmy, and got yelled at by perry. even if you want to argue that they were very different characters, the mythos was uninterrupted.

sticking an extra e in his name doesn't make that much of a difference.

the flash is a legacy character, so i don't think it's the same thing, personally.

Originally posted by Philosophía
Batman & Bruce Wayne are synonymous. The same way Superman and Clark Kent are. The same way Spiderman and Peter Parker are.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqnElGTV0IM

Originally posted by Philosophía
Batman & Bruce Wayne are synonymous. The same way Superman and Clark Kent are. The same way Spiderman and Peter Parker are.

And at one time, Alan Scott and Green Lantern were synonymous. Or Flash and Jay Garrick. And to pretend that they weren't just as iconic as these characters is just wrong. In a reference to his Silver Age days, in a recent GL JSA one-shot a man said to Alan "You were Superman before Superman was Superman."

I understand that DC is bringing Bruce back. I'm fine with it. But I'm saying that, personally, I'd be fine with Dick being Batman. Or Connor being Superman. So long as the spirit of the character is preserved, you have the character. Who is wearing the mask is unimportant.

Originally posted by Digi
PC Superman was clearly a different character. Hell, Kal fighting him in the last Lantern book was a stark reminder of this. Diana, sure, I'll concede that. But it's definitely true for Superman, and in fact makes my point. An established, decades-old character got utterly replaced. He's been Superman for 2 generations, sure. Earth-2 Superman was the man for at least 3-4 before that. And no one seemed to mind because the essential character was still intact. It's very possible, for even the biggest of characters.



when you say pc do you mean silver age?

cuz that was the same clark kent as the current mainstream one, earth 2 is the one from the golden age

Originally posted by Digi
And at one time, Alan Scott and Green Lantern were synonymous. Or Flash and Jay Garrick. And to pretend that they weren't just as iconic as these characters is just wrong. In a reference to his Silver Age days, in a recent GL JSA one-shot a man said to Alan "You were Superman before Superman was Superman."

I understand that DC is bringing Bruce back. I'm fine with it. But I'm saying that, personally, I'd be fine with Dick being Batman. Or Connor being Superman. So long as the spirit of the character is preserved, you have the character. Who is wearing the mask is unimportant.

Originally posted by Digi
And at one time, Alan Scott and Green Lantern were synonymous. Or Flash and Jay Garrick. And to pretend that they weren't just as iconic as these characters is just wrong. In a reference to his Silver Age days, in a recent GL JSA one-shot a man said to Alan "You were Superman before Superman was Superman."

I understand that DC is bringing Bruce back. I'm fine with it. But I'm saying that, personally, I'd be fine with Dick being Batman. Or Connor being Superman. So long as the spirit of the character is preserved, you have the character. Who is wearing the mask is unimportant.

you named green lantern and flash, though. those characters have a history of passing on the mantle. batman doesn't, except when he takes on a new robin.

Originally posted by Digi

I understand that DC is bringing Bruce back. I'm fine with it. But I'm saying that, personally, I'd be fine with Dick being Batman. Or Connor being Superman. So long as the spirit of the character is preserved, you have the character. Who is wearing the mask is unimportant. Dick fights crime, but he's not Batman. That's pretty much the whole backdrop of the books at this point.

Originally posted by -Pr-
you named green lantern and flash, though. those characters have a history of passing on the mantle. batman doesn't, except when he takes on a new robin.

They didn't at first. Every legacy has to start somewhere.

Originally posted by Martian_mind
They didn't at first. Every legacy has to start somewhere.

you just want tim to be batman. uhuh

Originally posted by -Pr-
you named green lantern and flash, though. those characters have a history of passing on the mantle. batman doesn't, except when he takes on a new robin.


So couldn't the emergence of the first Robin (and all subsequent Robin's) imply an element of legacy? The development of Robin into Nightwing and even the relationship between Batman and Nightwing or any of the Robins, especially Dick, has suggested a strong father and son dynamic. Elements of legacy and family are strong associations with the Batman character even if you might not consider him a legacy character. It's not much of a stretch to imagine Batman as a legacy character and now it's even easier with Dick wearing the cowl.

Now Pr (and I mean this in the politest manner possible) could it simply be that you don't like Dick as Batman?

I mean I think it's brilliant that Nightwing became Batman, but even if I didn't I'd still recognise the strong themes of coming of age that are so integral to pretty much most of the Batman universe. I think Batman has always been a legacy character, it's just not been as obvious due to the fact we've really on seen Bruce in the official mantle.

Originally posted by willRules
So couldn't the emergence of the first Robin (and all subsequent Robin's) imply an element of legacy? The development of Robin into Nightwing and even the relationship between Batman and Nightwing or any of the Robins, especially Dick, has suggested a strong father and son dynamic. Elements of legacy and family are strong associations with the Batman character even if you might not consider him a legacy character. It's not much of a stretch to imagine Batman as a legacy character and now it's even easier with Dick wearing the cowl.

Now Pr (and I mean this in the politest manner possible) could it simply be that you don't like Dick as Batman?

I mean I think it's brilliant that Nightwing became Batman, but even if I didn't I'd still recognise the strong themes of coming of age that are so integral to pretty much most of the Batman universe. I think Batman has always been a legacy character, it's just not been as obvious due to the fact we've really on seen Bruce in the official mantle.

it's a fair point, though i'd single out Robin more than Batman as being a legacy character. Dick is wearing the cowl now, but i honestly don't see it lasting forever. Do you?

Whether i like or dislike Dick as Batman isn't the point, though. I am a huge Dick Grayson fan, and have been for some time. Anything that's good for him is fine with me. Whether the cowl is good for him or not, i don't know.

i honestly disagree. the big three have never struck me as legacy characters. i always imagined them as being (almost) constants while the universe around them tended to change.

Originally posted by -Pr-
it's a fair point, though i'd single out Robin more than Batman as being a legacy character. Dick is wearing the cowl now, but i honestly don't see it lasting forever. Do you?

Whether i like or dislike Dick as Batman isn't the point, though. I am a huge Dick Grayson fan, and have been for some time. Anything that's good for him is fine with me. Whether the cowl is good for him or not, i don't know.

i honestly disagree. the big three have never struck me as legacy characters. i always imagined them as being (almost) constants while the universe around them tended to change.


Oh, yeah totally agree. Perhaps it's more Robin than Batman being a legacy character, which might be why I enjoy it so much. I'm subconsciously rooting for Robin to fulfil his legacy in taking up the cowl even though we all know it won't last.

Although, having said this, of the trinity, I think if anyone is going to be a legacy character, it's Batman. I think what makes him the only legacy character of the trinity is the fact he took on a sidekick. I think, for me at least that element of adopting a young ward, really fleshed out Bruce's character and put him in a more fatherly role. I think without Robin to show Batman as more of a parent, Batman is never old enough to be viewed as more than just a child playing dress up.

I'm not diminishing Batman's character. He's one of my favourites. I just think that he cannot simply be reduced to being "Oh it's young Bruce Wayne under the mask, enacting his fantasies to strike back at the criminal underworld that took his parents." He grows up when you throw Robin into the mix, and when Robin is added, you automatically get a relationship or a least a comparison. I think the most obvious comparison between them is a father/son dynamic and it really plays up the legacy theme.

Although I perfectly understand if you disagree

Originally posted by -Pr-
you named green lantern and flash, though. those characters have a history of passing on the mantle. batman doesn't, except when he takes on a new robin.

No character has a history of passing on mantles until they do. Doesn't mean it can't be done. Your point doesn't counter what I said, nor how I feel about these characters.

Originally posted by willRules
Oh, yeah totally agree. Perhaps it's more Robin than Batman being a legacy character, which might be why I enjoy it so much. I'm subconsciously rooting for Robin to fulfil his legacy in taking up the cowl even though we all know it won't last.

i think by dick taking up the cowl when it was needed, he's already fulfilled that part of his destiny. the only thing i would say, though, is that i don't see why the totality of his destiny has to be taking on bruce's mantle. dick was doing fine as nightwing beforehand. he was widely loved, respected, and thought well of by most heroes. i just think he deserves more than being bruce's replacement. he's a hero in his own right.



that's true, and i agree.



i agree about that part completely. it enriches the batman character having robin around. definitely.

Originally posted by Digi
No character has a history of passing on mantles until they do. Doesn't mean it can't be done. Your point doesn't counter what I said, nor how I feel about these characters.

never said it couldn't. you are talking about people who have been in those roles for going on what, sixty, seventy years? alan wasn't gl for that long, nor was jay the flash. it's just not the same thing imo.

Originally posted by -Pr-
you just want tim to be batman. uhuh


Pffft, Batman would be a stepdown for him at this point.

Originally posted by Digi
No character has a history of passing on mantles until they do. Doesn't mean it can't be done. Your point doesn't counter what I said, nor how I feel about these characters.

I think the reason why the idea that "The Trinity aren't really legacy characters," and the countervailing theory that this is simply something that hasn't been tried before both make sense is because of Silver-Age leftovers. When DC inaugurated the Silver Age, most of the characters who would become major JLA players shifted who they were: Green Lantern, the Flash, the Hawks, the Atom, and so it made them more malleable in being seen as "legacy" characters. The same thing happened to characters who sort of lost their publishing history: Starman is a prime example, so that it's easy to flow from Ted to Jack to Courtney.

But the "The Trinity" (I hate that term) didn't change: Batman was still Bruce Wayne, Superman was still Clark Kent, etc. So for them, it's hard to perceive them being different people, while at the same time recognizing it's possible to change them.

Maybe that's the reason why the attempts to make legacy Green Arrows and Aquamans never really stuck: they both survived the transition without too many changes, and so it's hard to see them as anything other than Oliver Queen or Arthur Curry.

Plus, when Diana, Clark, or Bruce dies, you KNOW they're coming back, so it's hard to accept anyone else as a place-holder, as seen in the "Four Supermen" storyline and that, like, three week period when Hippolyta was Wonder Woman.

(Note: apply this theory re: "Why Azreal sucks so, so much."

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Pffft, Batman would be a stepdown for him at this point.

Seriously, hanging around in the Middle East with the League of Assassins?

Tim's the best.

Originally posted by Digi
And at one time, Alan Scott and Green Lantern were synonymous. Or Flash and Jay Garrick. And to pretend that they weren't just as iconic as these characters is just wrong. In a reference to his Silver Age days, in a recent GL JSA one-shot a man said to Alan "You were Superman before Superman was Superman."

I understand that DC is bringing Bruce back. I'm fine with it. But I'm saying that, personally, I'd be fine with Dick being Batman. Or Connor being Superman. So long as the spirit of the character is preserved, you have the character. Who is wearing the mask is unimportant.

Those are awfull comparisons.

How were Alan Scott and Green Lantern synonymous ? How was Jay Garrick and Flash synonymous ? Point me any other arguments other than the fact that they were the first/only ones during that time. Flash and Green Lantern are legacy characters. They don't have any definitive traits that make them the 'definite/only Flash' or the 'definite/only Green Lantern' like Bruce/Batman and Clark/Superman do. That's not to say that they don't have their own already established characterization that sets them apart from one-another, but they aren't what makes the concept of Flash/Green Lantern what they are. (the last part is especially important, since you might confuse one with another)

Originally posted by Martian_mind
Pffft, Batman would be a stepdown for him at this point.

I would ****ing love to write this book. It such a good idea. I love it how D.C. are addressing the potential problem of repetitive story telling, by bringing dead and B list characters to the forefront. Its kind of like starting the Ultimate Universe but in the "true" continuity. This way we get "new characters" (Whom are actually old and B list versions of D.C. iconic cast) react to re-imagined/ modernized conflicts. In other words we get to see how new characters would deal with some of the more renowned adventures. I.e. instead of having Bruce , Clark, Dianna, Wally and Kyle face off against Star Conqueror we get to see Dick, Valour, Donna, and Hal deal with an evolved "meta physical subconscious virus" that metabolizes nightmares, and has infected Daniel the new version of Sandman etc.

Originally posted by willRules
So couldn't the emergence of the first Robin (and all subsequent Robin's) imply an element of legacy? The development of Robin into Nightwing and even the relationship between Batman and Nightwing or any of the Robins, especially Dick, has suggested a strong father and son dynamic. Elements of legacy and family are strong associations with the Batman character even if you might not consider him a legacy character. It's not much of a stretch to imagine Batman as a legacy character and now it's even easier with Dick wearing the cowl.

Now Pr (and I mean this in the politest manner possible) could it simply be that you don't like Dick as Batman?

I mean I think it's brilliant that Nightwing became Batman, but even if I didn't I'd still recognise the strong themes of coming of age that are so integral to pretty much most of the Batman universe. I think Batman has always been a legacy character, it's just not been as obvious due to the fact we've really on seen Bruce in the official mantle.

Good points. I'm excited about seeing Grayson as Batman--the continuing evolution of his character.

Originally posted by Mainstream
Good points. I'm excited about seeing Grayson as Batman--the continuing evolution of his character.

Mainstream!!!! How are you? I haven't spoken to you in years, mate!

Originally posted by willRules
Mainstream!!!! How are you? I haven't spoken to you in years, mate!

what happening man!!!! :

Cyborg works well from a writing perspective. You can always throw a random computer problem at him and I've always enjoyed his character.

Dick wearing the Cowl is a crime agaisnt humanity.





Also, very insulting for Bat-Heads like me.

http://2.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kqbsn1Lj6t1qz75dlo1_500.jpg

that mon-el costume isn't actually half bad, though it's almost too much like Superman for my tastes... nice pic all in all...

Except that Kory and Donna are drawn super goofy looking.

Originally posted by Konton
http://2.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_kqbsn1Lj6t1qz75dlo1_500.jpg

I'll be happy if they replace the guardian, cyborg, green arrow and congorilla for Black Canary, Vixen, Firestorm, and Zatanna. I don't care for any of them. They lack personality, power, contribution to the team and above all else Ollie is a douch!! They could have choosen a better team. To be honest, I really like Mcduffie's line up. The team was diverse, and had potential. When you think about it, his team was one of the most powerful JLA incarnations. You had two green lanterns (Hal and John), Zatanna, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Firestorm, Black Canary, Dr. Light, Steel, Vixen, Red Tornado, Red Arrow, Hawkgirl, Plasticman, Batman. Thanks to a-lot of people who complain about the team this is what we get. But, whatever, i'm still going to give it a try because I'm a huge Grayson, Hal, Donna, and Starfire fan.

Originally posted by Galan007

Originally posted by Konton
Except that Kory and Donna are drawn super goofy looking.

you were expecting any different?

This iteration of the league looks good, if anything Dick will be in the big leagues.

Originally posted by Aztec123
I'll be happy if they replace the guardian, cyborg, green arrow and congorilla for Black Canary, Vixen, Firestorm, and Zatanna. I don't care for any of them. They lack personality, power, contribution to the team and above all else Ollie is a douch!! They could have choosen a better team. To be honest, I really like Mcduffie's line up. The team was diverse, and had potential. When you think about it, his team was one of the most powerful JLA incarnations. You had two green lanterns (Hal and John), Zatanna, Superman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Firestorm, Black Canary, Dr. Light, Steel, Vixen, Red Tornado, Red Arrow, Hawkgirl, Plasticman, Batman. Thanks to a-lot of people who complain about the team this is what we get. But, whatever, i'm still going to give it a try because I'm a huge Grayson, Hal, Donna, and Starfire fan. Guardian and Mon El, are tied, and Guardian has been a great character re-emergence, and hell, I even liked him in the old Superboy stuff with Cadmus. He's just a cool character.
And don't diss Ollie.
You might think he's a dick, but he's one of the more three-dimensional characters out there.


Who cares if it's the most powerful lineup the JLA has seen or not?
I'm in it for good stories.
as long as it delivers there its all good.

Originally posted by Juntai
Guardian and Mon El, are tied, and Guardian has been a great character re-emergence, and hell, I even liked him in the old Superboy stuff with Cadmus. He's just a cool character.
And don't diss Ollie.
You might think he's a dick, but he's one of the more three-dimensional characters out there.


Who cares if it's the most powerful lineup the JLA has seen or not?
I'm in it for good stories.
as long as it delivers there its all good.
The JLA is about power. If we want a mixed back of characters and character interaction, we read titans, JSA, or The Avengers.

Yep, one of those seven avengers books!

Originally posted by Juntai
Guardian and Mon El, are tied, and Guardian has been a great character re-emergence, and hell, I even liked him in the old Superboy stuff with Cadmus. He's just a cool character.
And don't diss Ollie.
You might think he's a dick, but he's one of the more three-dimensional characters out there.


Who cares if it's the most powerful lineup the JLA has seen or not?
I'm in it for good stories.
as long as it delivers there its all good.

I had no idea, you had a thing for Ollie.
Anyways, I can diss Ollie all I want.

I actually like Mcduffies run. The team was diverse, characters such as Vixen and Black Canary were giving an opportunity to showcase their leadership qualities. Sure the stories weren't on par with "Terrer Incognito, or any other written by Grant Morrison. But they were nevertheless entertaining.

Originally posted by Juntai
Guardian and Mon El, are tied, and Guardian has been a great character re-emergence, and hell, I even liked him in the old Superboy stuff with Cadmus. He's just a cool character.
And don't diss Ollie.
You might think he's a dick, but he's one of the more three-dimensional characters out there.


Who cares if it's the most powerful lineup the JLA has seen or not?
I'm in it for good stories.
as long as it delivers there its all good.

I kinda wish it was the "Seven Soldiers" Guardian who got revamped though. He's dozens of times cooler than the Cadmus one.