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who wins? ko is also an option

WWH beats DOS DD

WWH loses to HP DD

well i am actually talking about the doomsday who killed superman , what other versions of doomsday are there?

DOS= Death of Superman

doomsday on both

Originally posted by Starscream M
WWH beats DOS DD

WWH loses to HP DD

there is no way in hell that world war hulk can beat the same doomsday who killed superman and broke his arm

Originally posted by mummy_guy
there is no way in hell that world war hulk can beat the same doomsday who killed superman and broke his arm

Then why ask.

And why make the thread?

Originally posted by Juk3n
Then why ask.

And why make the thread?

because it can be a close fight

Originally posted by mummy_guy
there is no way in hell that world war hulk can beat the same doomsday who killed superman and broke his arm Originally posted by mummy_guy
because it can be a close fight

Contradiction.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Contradiction.

i did it on purpose in order to bring down the hiden organization in on those boards

Originally posted by mummy_guy
i did it on purpose in order to bring down the hiden organization in on those boards

Do you like 50 Cent?

wwh could beat dos dd. h/p dd would wreck him.

DOS DD, who is the subject of this thread, gets massacred.

Originally posted by mummy_guy
i did it on purpose in order to bring down the hiden organization in on those boards

what does that even mean?

it means you are a gang leader...shame on you

Originally posted by mummy_guy
i did it on purpose in order to bring down the hiden organization in on those boards

facepalm

Originally posted by mummy_guy
i did it on purpose in order to bring down the hiden organization in on those boards
Great.
We've got ourselves a conspiracy theorist.

Think about it...we can be the next Dan Brown best seller

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Do you like 50 Cent?

I thought WWH wank died out like 7 months ago?

^You know true wank never dies out.

I disagree, where are all the superboy prime, Black Bolt, and Rulk posts then?

WWH would beat DOS Doomsday

They're building, they're biding there time until the perfect storm.

Originally posted by mummy_guy
i did it on purpose in order to bring down the hiden organization in on those boards

idiot. go play in traffic

Any green Hulk beats that lousy f*cking plot-device.

Doomsday doesn't have superspeed(not like Superman) and he can't fly. That essentially just makes him a dumb Gray Hulk at Green-Hulk-level with static powers. Doomsday is jack sh*t to any green Hulk.

Any green Hulk 10/10 with little effort.

Originally posted by Master Court
Any green Hulk beats that lousy f*cking plot-device.

Doomsday doesn't have superspeed(not like Superman) and he can't fly. That essentially just makes him a dumb Gray Hulk at Green-Hulk-level with static powers. Doomsday is jack sh*t to any green Hulk.

Any green Hulk 10/10 with little effort.

any doomsday? seriously?

and doomsday has super speed in terms of reflexes.

Originally posted by Master Court
Any green Hulk beats that lousy f*cking plot-device.

Doomsday doesn't have superspeed(not like Superman) and he can't fly. That essentially just makes him a dumb Gray Hulk at Green-Hulk-level with static powers. Doomsday is jack sh*t to any green Hulk.

Any green Hulk 10/10 with little effort.

Hulk isn't a plot character?

there is no way in hell world war hulk can defeat the guy who killed superman, WWH was effected when beast kicked him and made his lip bleed come on

Doomsday FTW.

We Wank Hulk is way overrated

Doomsday.

It took hundreds to thousands of hits by this Superman to put DD down. Also, DOS DD moved faster than Superman can react. So since that Superman can react and move fast enough to pick bullets out of the air like Neo from the Matrix then there is no way WWH can react to DD. WWH gets killed in moments by a relentless comboing onslaught from DD.

DD 10/10

Originally posted by h1a8
It took hundreds to thousands of hits by this Superman to put DD down. Also, DOS DD moved faster than Superman can react. So since that Superman can react and move fast enough to pick bullets out of the air like Neo from the Matrix then there is no way WWH can react to DD. WWH gets killed in moments by a relentless comboing onslaught from DD.

DD 10/10

hundreds of thousands? that was stated?

and dd didn't move faster than superman could react. superman recognised that dd was moving faster than him at one point, and stepped up his game.

Originally posted by -Pr-
hundreds of thousands? that was stated?

and dd didn't move faster than superman could react. superman recognised that dd was moving faster than him at one point, and stepped up his game. Not hundreds of thousands but hundreds to thousands.
I read the novel as well as the comic. Both written by the same author. The book mentions that the battle went on for many hours and that Superman was constantly pounding on DD. So I use simple math to say that Superman hit him at least 100 times.

Superman not only complained of his speed but constantly was getting hit by DD in their battle. And this is after he stepped up his game. Superman was not fast enough to avoid DD's strikes.

Originally posted by h1a8
It took hundreds to thousands of hits by this Superman to put DD down. Also, DOS DD moved faster than Superman can react. So since that Superman can react and move fast enough to pick bullets out of the air like Neo from the Matrix then there is no way WWH can react to DD. WWH gets killed in moments by a relentless comboing onslaught from DD.

DD 10/10


best comment around here

doomsday who defeated superman and darkseid is not i repeat is not going to lose to someone who got a bloody lip from beast

Originally posted by mummy_guy
doomsday who defeated superman and darkseid is not i repeat is not going to lose to someone who got a bloody lip from beast

So what, Beast could probably take Doomsday or Superman.

Originally posted by h1a8
Not hundreds of thousands but hundreds to thousands.
I read the novel as well as the comic. Both written by the same author. The book mentions that the battle went on for many hours and that Superman was constantly pounding on DD. So I use simple math to say that Superman hit him at least 100 times.

Superman not only complained of his speed but constantly was getting hit by DD in their battle. And this is after he stepped up his game. Superman was not fast enough to avoid DD's strikes.

novels aren't considered usable on the forum, same author or not.

dd wasn't fast enough to avoid his either. superman was keeping up with him just fine.

Superman from DOS was stronger then DD. Superman stated that he wasn't trying to kill DD. Only at the end, when he realized that DD can't be reasoned with, or be exhausted did he strike with his full strength. This is when DD died. Superman didn't die. He was almost dead.

I don't know where people are getting that DD was getting hit by thousands of hits from Superman, or any crap like that. Superman complained about his speed, but he was never slower then DD. In fact, Superman wasn't trying to kill him. He was trying to put him down by getting him tired. That's why Superman was exchanging huge amount of punches with him.

Originally posted by -Pr-
novels aren't considered usable on the forum, same author or not.

dd wasn't fast enough to avoid his either. superman was keeping up with him just fine.

even if DD is at the same speed level as superman its still way above WWH

Originally posted by mummy_guy
even if DD is at the same speed level as superman its still way above WWH
He wasn't near the speed of Superman. Superman is more agile, flexible, and faster all together. He can even fly.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
He wasn't near the speed of Superman. Superman is more agile, flexible, and faster all together. He can even fly.

even rocky's wife said.... you cant win

debate my sh!t biatchhhhhh!!!!!!!!!

WWH

WWH

doomsday without much effort

Originally posted by mummy_guy
doomsday without much effort

wrong

Originally posted by bbrem123
WWH

wrong

hulk regeneration is to much....DD cant win

Originally posted by mummy_guy
doomsday without much effort

best post

Originally posted by bbrem123
hulk regeneration is to much....DD cant win


what??? do you even know anything about doomsday? he got a very high durability and healing factor himself and he only becomes stronger ... doomsday is too much for WWH , hell when thunderbird stubed hulk in the shoulders with his knifes hulk couldnt move his arms i mean thunderbird was able to paralize his arms for a wshile, beast gave him a bloody lip Lol, juggernaut trashed him and steped on his head, sentry who is a poor mans superman was able to beat him up? doomsday will murder him or at lease reverse him back to bruce banner

doomsday 10/10

Originally posted by mummy_guy
best post

World War Hulk would kick the crap out of DoS Doomsday...

Originally posted by -Pr-
novels aren't considered usable on the forum, same author or not.

dd wasn't fast enough to avoid his either. superman was keeping up with him just fine.

Well one doesn't have to accept it they don't want but we all know that author's explanations of the story sometimes hold some weight to many to help form an opinion. But according to the comic, it seems they were at least going at it for hours just like the novel said. And one would be a fool after reading the comic to think that Superman didn't pound him a hell of a lot of times.

With that said, yes Superman is fast enough to land some blows on DD. Attacking speed can be greater than reflex speed. But WWH is far less fast. He would be hard pressed to even land a blow on DD, assuming DD will always be fast enough to get the first swing in.

Originally posted by h1a8
Well one doesn't have to accept it they don't want but we all know that author's explanations of the story sometimes hold some weight to many to help form an opinion. But according to the comic, it seems they were at least going at it for hours just like the novel said. And one would be a fool after reading the comic to think that Superman didn't pound him a whole bunch of times.

With that said, yes Superman is fast enough to land some blows on DD. Attacking speed can be greater than reflex speed. But WWH is far less fast. He would be hard pressed to even land a blow on DD, assuming DD will always be fast enough to get the first swing in.

if the author is talking about the comic, it's fine. novels just aren't valid.

dos dd wasn't THAT fast when compared to his later incarnations. hulk should be able to hit him, and his strength is more likely to be higher too.

Originally posted by -Pr-
if the author is talking about the comic, it's fine. novels just aren't valid.

dos dd wasn't THAT fast when compared to his later incarnations. hulk should be able to hit him, and his strength is more likely to be higher too.

False. "aren't valid" implies "aren't valid to all". Well it is valid to some, which is the truth. Those who it isn't valid to have the right to make the claim just like a lawyer could make an objection in a courtroom. But guess what, the jury still heard the argument (before the objection) and thus it will always hold weight to them, even when they are deciding a final verdict.

DD was THAT fast in other incarnations (assuming only the more powerful ones). He tore Darkseid up before he can turn around, he shot Superman with a claw before Superman could react, etc.

Anyway that is a moot point. The fact of the matter is that DD is indeed faster than Hulk (doesn't matter how much) and much more relentless proves he will always strike first. Then the combo to ko (or kill) will follow.

Originally posted by Master Court
Any green Hulk beats that lousy f*cking plot-device.

Doomsday doesn't have superspeed(not like Superman) and he can't fly. That essentially just makes him a dumb Gray Hulk at Green-Hulk-level with static powers. Doomsday is jack sh*t to any green Hulk.

Any green Hulk 10/10 with little effort.


Doomsday is at least as fast as supes , supes himself said so.

Originally posted by mummy_guy
what??? do you even know anything about doomsday? he got a very high durability and healing factor himself and he only becomes stronger ... doomsday is too much for WWH , hell when thunderbird stubed hulk in the shoulders with his knifes hulk couldnt move his arms i mean thunderbird was able to paralize his arms for a wshile, beast gave him a bloody lip Lol, juggernaut trashed him and steped on his head, sentry who is a poor mans superman was able to beat him up? doomsday will murder him or at lease reverse him back to bruce banner

doomsday 10/10


Oh, I get it. You don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. I told my cat about you and you know what he said? He said, "You know what, MC? He doesn't know sh*t."


Hulk has deflected galaxy busting attacks. He's held apart two spheres of matter and anti-matter that were said to be of infinite mass. He's punched through black holes. He's carried islands and mountains, he's pulled breaking planets back together by hand, he's withstood nuclear blasts at ground zero, he's withstood the heat of the Sun, he's been reduced to a bloody husk and fully regenerated, he's healed from broken necks, disembowelment, and even has the capacity to recover from being atomized. He's fast enough to catch Silver Surfer, skilled enough to hang with Thor in a brawl, and durable enough to take Thor's best shots with Mjolnir. He doesn't need to breathe, eat, or sleep. As long as he's enraged, he never gets tired.

The knives that "paralyzed" Hulk's arms were vibranium; a metal that rivals adamantium. They were stabbed strategically into Hulk's shoulders to physically restrict the motion. It would work on anyone. Even your precious Superman. Place an object between a joint, and the joint is blocked. Make it a vibranium knife, and it's impossible to move.

Beast did not give him a bloody lip. There's blood coming from his nose, but Hulk is wiping his lip, which has no blood on it. In the very next panel, there's no blood on him anywhere, nor even a single mark despite Hulk's HF having been canceled out at that point. It's likely he got that bloody nose from the shots that Rockslide gave him just seconds before Hulk got his HF canceled out.

"Juggernaut trashed him and stepped on his head." Is that your statement? Juggernaut is one of the most powerful guys in the world. He has the strength to b*tch smack Thor and his durability is leagues above even Superman's. And Juggernaut didn't "trash" him. He set out to, but failed. They both got in shots, and then Juggernaut and Hulk went back to testing Cain's momentum against Hulk's strength as they always do. Bottom line, it's not a low showing for anyone to have problems with the f*cking Juggernaut, kid. Yeah, I ran over a kid probably younger than you just yesterday, so don't think you get any f*cking slack.

And Sentry? He was rated as the most powerful super hero on Earth during the WWHulk arc. And in case you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, Sentry's aura caps Hulk's power by calming him. So Hulk's strength, durability, and HF, were all restricted during his fight with Sentry. And still, even though Sentry burnt himself out trying, Hulk won the fight, despite he himself being reverted to Banner due to Sentry's aura.

And what's more, Doomsday didn't kill Superman. Superman died because he didn't go all out against Doomsday until he was already beaten up and realized he couldn't hold back. And then Superman over exerted himself, killed Doomsday, and then collapsed. If Superman went all out from the start, he probably would've trashed DOS Doomsday. And Doomsday can't "reverse" Hulk back to Banner. Sentry can because he has an unique aura that directly effects the Hulk. Silver Surfer can because he has the power to drain the gamma from Hulk. Doomsday has neither. When he fights Hulk, he's getting Hulk. If it were HP Doomsday, that's a fight. DOS Doomsday? Hulk could perma-kill him on a f*cking Sunday. HP Doomsday would fare better, but still lose. He had a chance to kill Superman and couldn't pull it off, so I doubt he'd stand a chance against any decent showing of any green Hulk. WWHulk beats any Doomsday in a sh*t stomping power f*ck.

Your cat seems smarter then you. But then, maybe it isn't your cat


Doesn't matter. Most are different reincarnation. Not that you care, right? would you like if I use PC Feat, or 1million feats? You probably would. Either way, Superman has held half of infinity, held a black hole, counter vibrated a god, and so much more. And guess what, his power never fluctuated in neither of these, or any of his feats. Heck, he blasted through a shield that neither Supergirl+John(gl) could break. You wouldn't care though, would you? Not to mention, most of your feats consist of Hulk first getting very very mad and not right of the bat, correct???

He isn't fast enough to hit SS, nor skilled enough to fight Thor. He doesn't need to breathe, and he needs ground to have momentum. Without it, he is worthless.


Superman wouldn't get hit by that blade in the first place. If he did, he'd vibrate through them. Something your "fast" hulk can't do. Not that it would pierce Superman in the first place.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Your cat seems smarter then you. But then, maybe it isn't your cat


You obviously don't know who my cat is. Suffice it to say, he beats Chessmaster on hard every time.


Originally posted by xJLxKing
Doesn't matter. Most are different reincarnation. Not that you care, right? would you like if I use PC Feat, or 1million feats? You probably would. Either way, Superman has held half of infinity, held a black hole, counter vibrated a god, and so much more. And guess what, his power never fluctuated in neither of these, or any of his feats. Heck, he blasted through a shield that neither Supergirl+John(gl) could break. You wouldn't care though, would you? Not to mention, most of your feats consist of Hulk first getting very very mad and not right of the bat, correct???


Incarnation. Not reincarnation.


Originally posted by xJLxKing
He isn't fast enough to hit SS, nor skilled enough to fight Thor. He doesn't need to breathe, and he needs ground to have momentum. Without it, he is worthless.


Juggernaut needs momentum, although I don't know where the stuff about momentum is coming from. In any case, Hulk has demonstrated the ability to change direction in midair just by punching and maneuvering and sh*t. I know they do it in the games and all, but I've actually seen him do it in the comics. And I was pretty sure I said he "hangs" with Thor. Although, it's mostly due to power. And he doesn't need air. You put "doesn't", but I assumed it was a typo. He's been in space before, hollering and sh*t despite no oxygen. He rode his ship right out into space when he was on his way back to Earth.


Originally posted by xJLxKing
Superman wouldn't get hit by that blade in the first place. If he did, he'd vibrate through them. Something your "fast" hulk can't do. Not that it would pierce Superman in the first place.

It wasn't a "could" thing. It was a "would" thing. If Flash had the knives, he most definitely would plant them in Supes. Especially if he did the IMP while holding the knife out. And Hulk didn't have to do something as exotic(and erotic) as vibrating. He just flexed them out.


Originally posted by xJLxKing

yah Hulk fans are back!

I couldn't teach my Parrot to do that.


My point still stands


Anything that can't fly need momentum from the ground. Once Hulk doesn't have ground to stand on, his movement is limited to trying to flap his arms like an idiot in an attempt to try and fly. Believe it or not, if you don't have something to put on weight on, your strength get weaker.


Yeah, and Superman can do that. Though, superman has more option. Not that it would pierce him

Originally posted by kgkg
yah Hulk fans are wack!

Originally posted by Master Court
Oh, I get it. You don't know what the f*ck you're talking about. I told my cat about you and you know what he said? He said, "You know what, MC? He doesn't know sh*t."


Hulk has deflected galaxy busting attacks. He's held apart two spheres of matter and anti-matter that were said to be of infinite mass. He's punched through black holes. He's carried islands and mountains, he's pulled breaking planets back together by hand, he's withstood nuclear blasts at ground zero, he's withstood the heat of the Sun, he's been reduced to a bloody husk and fully regenerated, he's healed from broken necks, disembowelment, and even has the capacity to recover from being atomized. He's fast enough to catch Silver Surfer, skilled enough to hang with Thor in a brawl, and durable enough to take Thor's best shots with Mjolnir. He doesn't need to breathe, eat, or sleep. As long as he's enraged, he never gets tired.

The knives that "paralyzed" Hulk's arms were vibranium; a metal that rivals adamantium. They were stabbed strategically into Hulk's shoulders to physically restrict the motion. It would work on anyone. Even your precious Superman. Place an object between a joint, and the joint is blocked. Make it a vibranium knife, and it's impossible to move.

Beast did not give him a bloody lip. There's blood coming from his nose, but Hulk is wiping his lip, which has no blood on it. In the very next panel, there's no blood on him anywhere, nor even a single mark despite Hulk's HF having been canceled out at that point. It's likely he got that bloody nose from the shots that Rockslide gave him just seconds before Hulk got his HF canceled out.

"Juggernaut trashed him and stepped on his head." Is that your statement? Juggernaut is one of the most powerful guys in the world. He has the strength to b*tch smack Thor and his durability is leagues above even Superman's. And Juggernaut didn't "trash" him. He set out to, but failed. They both got in shots, and then Juggernaut and Hulk went back to testing Cain's momentum against Hulk's strength as they always do. Bottom line, it's not a low showing for anyone to have problems with the f*cking Juggernaut, kid. Yeah, I ran over a kid probably younger than you just yesterday, so don't think you get any f*cking slack.

And Sentry? He was rated as the most powerful super hero on Earth during the WWHulk arc. And in case you don't know your ass from a hole in the ground, Sentry's aura caps Hulk's power by calming him. So Hulk's strength, durability, and HF, were all restricted during his fight with Sentry. And still, even though Sentry burnt himself out trying, Hulk won the fight, despite he himself being reverted to Banner due to Sentry's aura.

And what's more, Doomsday didn't kill Superman. Superman died because he didn't go all out against Doomsday until he was already beaten up and realized he couldn't hold back. And then Superman over exerted himself, killed Doomsday, and then collapsed. If Superman went all out from the start, he probably would've trashed DOS Doomsday. And Doomsday can't "reverse" Hulk back to Banner. Sentry can because he has an unique aura that directly effects the Hulk. Silver Surfer can because he has the power to drain the gamma from Hulk. Doomsday has neither. When he fights Hulk, he's getting Hulk. If it were HP Doomsday, that's a fight. DOS Doomsday? Hulk could perma-kill him on a f*cking Sunday. HP Doomsday would fare better, but still lose. He had a chance to kill Superman and couldn't pull it off, so I doubt he'd stand a chance against any decent showing of any green Hulk. WWHulk beats any Doomsday in a sh*t stomping power f*ck.

are you sure it was your cat and not your dad?

all those feats you state are strength feats but hulk cant win by strength alone, doomsday is by far faster then him and he can f^ckin fly which means guess what? he will be playing pinball with your precious hulk

my point was that some low class brickster was able to penetrate hulk arms whith knives? that would never pierce superman or doomsday but hulk is too soft and thats my other point the fact that hulk got a bloody lip and bloody nose from class 20 characters like beast and rockslide only shows how soft he really is , dont even think to mention and bring up superman because those knives would be stuck deep inside thunderbirds @$$ if he tryed to stub superman not to mention it wont pierce superman , the point with juggernaut was just to show that even someone with juggernaut speed was able to land a series of blows before hulk could react

the part about superman and doomsday is correct superman can kill doomsday any day but even the fact that doomsday can match sups speed in a fight is more then enough to say that doomsday is too fast for hulk doomsday wins

Originally posted by Nihilist


Hulk fans are infinitely more tolerable than Thor fans IMO.

Doomsday wins.

at least hulk thor and superman deserve a good fanbase, i never understood the wolverine and spider-man fans who always were trying to clame that wolverine could cut thor or spider-man can just web everybody eyes and win

Originally posted by Master Court
"Juggernaut trashed him and stepped on his head." Is that your statement? Juggernaut is one of the most powerful guys in the world. He has the strength to b*tch smack Thor and his durability is leagues above even Superman's. And Juggernaut didn't "trash" him. He set out to, but failed. They both got in shots, and then Juggernaut and Hulk went back to testing Cain's momentum against Hulk's strength as they always do. Bottom line, it's not a low showing for anyone to have problems with the f*cking Juggernaut, kid. Yeah, I ran over a kid probably younger than you just yesterday, so don't think you get any f*cking slack.

Didn't I already beat this nonsense out of you? They were going strength against strength.

The writer agrees: http://forums.comicbookresources.com/showpost.php?p=5411579&postcount=36

Put that argument to rest.

^ no offense but, i take it you hate hulk because of the whole hulk/juggernaut thing right?

like the troll op said, hulk kinda deserves fans. juggernaut...he's strong as shit, durable....has a....red hair and anger issues. not really much there in the big picture.

like, what has he done for 60+ years?

Seriously?

never SERIOUS serious, but seriously, what has juggy really done?

I will direct you to my respect thread.

give it to me (no homo) in one short paragraph, like a synopsis concerning juggernaut's career.

Yeah right, you're not worth that effort.

cop out

Who's coping out? The information you're looking for is in the respect section. Go get it yourself.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
^ no offense but, i take it you hate hulk because of the whole hulk/juggernaut thing right?

like the troll op said, hulk kinda deserves fans. juggernaut...he's strong as shit, durable....has a....red hair and anger issues. not really much there in the big picture.

like, what has he done for 60+ years?


juggernaut never had his own comics and thats too bad it would be really cool to see him solo as the main guy, troll? it seems you are the only one here who is trolling

as for your question what has juggernaut done? well for start he didnt get his butt wooped by half the marvel universe like hulk did Lol

Originally posted by h1a8
False. "aren't valid" implies "aren't valid to all". Well it is valid to some, which is the truth. Those who it isn't valid to have the right to make the claim just like a lawyer could make an objection in a courtroom. But guess what, the jury still heard the argument (before the objection) and thus it will always hold weight to them, even when they are deciding a final verdict.

DD was THAT fast in other incarnations (assuming only the more powerful ones). He tore Darkseid up before he can turn around, he shot Superman with a claw before Superman could react, etc.

Anyway that is a moot point. The fact of the matter is that DD is indeed faster than Hulk (doesn't matter how much) and much more relentless proves he will always strike first. Then the combo to ko (or kill) will follow.

by the rules of the forum itself, they're not valid at all. simple as that. you can't use any proof that isn't printed on panel inside a comic book (and sometimes, a handbook).

we know H/P Doomsday was incredibly powerful, but he was WAY above DOS DD.

it isn't a fact if we're using DOS DD, because you can't prove it. faster? sure. fast enough not to get hit? not likely.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Hulk fans are infinitely more tolerable than Thor fans IMO.

Doomsday wins. Yeah at least they don't send death threat's to writers(as far as i know)

Originally posted by xJLxKing
I couldn't teach my Parrot to do that.


Just put a cork on his beak so he can hit the buttons right.


Originally posted by xJLxKing
My point still stands


As does my erection.


Originally posted by xJLxKing
Anything that can't fly need momentum from the ground. Once Hulk doesn't have ground to stand on, his movement is limited to trying to flap his arms like an idiot in an attempt to try and fly. Believe it or not, if you don't have something to put on weight on, your strength get weaker.


I don't believe it one bit. Shirley Hulk can flap his arms fast enough to fly. It's just never occurred to him.


Originally posted by xJLxKing
Yeah, and Superman can do that. Though, superman has more option. Not that it would pierce him


Flash couldn't IMP shank Superman with a vibranium knife? What about adamantium? I mean, if a bullet can pierce Superman simply because it's made of a little kryptonite. That's like a tenth of a second of exposure, extremely dull in comparison to a knife, potentially less than the speed of sound, and only an ounce in weight.

Originally posted by mummy_guy
are you sure it was your cat and not your dad?

all those feats you state are strength feats but hulk cant win by strength alone, doomsday is by far faster then him and he can f^ckin fly which means guess what? he will be playing pinball with your precious hulk

my point was that some low class brickster was able to penetrate hulk arms whith knives? that would never pierce superman or doomsday but hulk is too soft and thats my other point the fact that hulk got a bloody lip and bloody nose from class 20 characters like beast and rockslide only shows how soft he really is , dont even think to mention and bring up superman because those knives would be stuck deep inside thunderbirds @$$ if he tryed to stub superman not to mention it wont pierce superman , the point with juggernaut was just to show that even someone with juggernaut speed was able to land a series of blows before hulk could react

the part about superman and doomsday is correct superman can kill doomsday any day but even the fact that doomsday can match sups speed in a fight is more then enough to say that doomsday is too fast for hulk doomsday wins


This is just too precious. I laughed my ass off, but you're a f*cking amateur. Or a troll. Or an amateur troll.

Just rest assured, I am correct, and you are incorrect. I mean, "There's no way so-and-so could beat the guy that killed my hero, Superman!" That's your argument? He killed Superman, which he didn't really do, and that he's fast? Like I've already pointed out, Hulk's reaction speed is fast enough to catch speedsters. And if you don't know, that basically means anyone with super speed that can't fly really doesn't have much of an advantage. Hulk has an impressive track record with taking out speedsters. Look, Hulk, even standard Hulk, has beaten far more impressive villains than Doomsday ever was.

Just let it go, alright? Like when I had to choose between letting a nun or my cell phone fall to their doom. The nun was praying, but my phone started ringing. It was the vet, giving me diet tips for my cats.

Will do


Yours stands as a (r) right?


Maybe he'll get the chance to prove it after Superman flies him to the moon.


What a Kryptonite is to Superman isn't the same as what Vibranium is to Hulk.

Originally posted by xJLxKing
Will do



Originally posted by xJLxKing
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Originally posted by xJLxKing
Maybe he'll get the chance to prove it after Superman flies him to the moon.


And he'll have plenty of time, since Hulk doesn't need oxygen anymore.


Originally posted by xJLxKing
What a Kryptonite is to Superman isn't the same as what Vibranium is to Hulk.


True, true. But an IMP shank? What about if Black Adam had an adamantium knife, or a vibranium knife.


EDIT: Sh*t, the d*ck didn't turn out right.

Originally posted by Knowsbleed33
Who's coping out? The information you're looking for is in the respect section. Go get it yourself. i'm talking about substance of character, not combat feats.

Originally posted by -Pr-
by the rules of the forum itself, they're not valid at all. simple as that. you can't use any proof that isn't printed on panel inside a comic book (and sometimes, a handbook).

we know H/P Doomsday was incredibly powerful, but he was WAY above DOS DD.

it isn't a fact if we're using DOS DD, because you can't prove it. faster? sure. fast enough not to get hit? not likely.

'Valid' means 'acceptable' and I will guarantee to you that it is indeed acceptable to someone here (not all though).

Yes if DD stands there and doesn't attack I supposed Hulk would be fast enough to hit him. But I don't see the fight going that way. I see the fight as DD attacking first and comboing Hulk into he is koed or killed.

Even if we start the fight 10000000000000 times at different angles this would still happen and the result will be the same.

Originally posted by h1a8
'Valid' means 'acceptable' and I will guarantee to you that it is indeed acceptable to someone here (not all though).

Yes if DD stands there and doesn't attack I supposed Hulk would be fast enough to hit him. But I don't see the fight going that way. I see the fight as DD attacking first and comboing Hulk into he is koed or killed.

Even if we start the fight 10000000000000 times at different angles this would still happen and the result will be the same.


The Hulk has consistently dealt with people said to be far faster than him and won, Gladiator and Sentry are prime examples of this point.

If we were to judge Doomsday's power at his max most people would use how explosive he was, or better yet how destructive he has been portrayed (collateral damage). From my viewpoint WWHulk trumped any and every feat Doomsday has shown with one footfall. Hence The Green King gets my vote.

Originally posted by Stoic
The Hulk has consistently dealt with people said to be far faster than him and won, Gladiator and Sentry are prime examples of this point.

If we were to judge Doomsday's power at his max most people would use how explosive he was, or better yet how destructive he has been portrayed (collateral damage). From my viewpoint WWHulk trumped any and every feat Doomsday has shown with one footfall. Hence The Green King gets my vote.

That is because they didn't use their speed, it happens in comics. That is because they fought stupidly by letting up, giving him free hits, and trying to take Hulk into space the stupid way (just uppercut him into space). DD won't let up until Hulk is koed or dead. Remember combo to ko is king.

Originally posted by h1a8
That is because they didn't use their speed, it happens in comics. That is because they fought stupidly by letting up, giving him free hits, and trying to take Hulk into space the stupid way (just uppercut him into space). DD won't let up until Hulk is koed or dead. Remember combo to ko is king.

Doomsday's speed is still suspect, this has been proven in his battle with Superman when he was Doomsday Rex... his inability to land a blow on Superman lead me to believe that his speed was less than Super.

Now before we go into the realms of how weak Rex was, lets all remember how he stopped Superman's heart with one punch, and how when he and J'onn Jonnz had a test of strength he nearly broke the Martians arms, telling him how inferior he was.

Nah I just don't buy it, at the end of WWHulk the Hulk was at a level of power that far outstripped anything that Doomsday had in the past.

When you can show proof of Doomsday sinking the eastern seaboard with a footfall or holding a world together on strength alone, or shifting a continental plate, it would be a ridiculous assumption to even believe that he would last more than five minutes with WWHulk.

seriously, king hulk/superman would three-piece dos doomsday.

dos dd isn't really great by today's standards.

Originally posted by Stoic
Doomsday's speed is still suspect, this has been proven in his battle with Superman when he was Doomsday Rex... his inability to land a blow on Superman lead me to believe that his speed was less than Super.

Now before we go into the realms of how weak Rex was, lets all remember how he stopped Superman's heart with one punch, and how when he and J'onn Jonnz had a test of strength he nearly broke the Martians arms, telling him how inferior he was.

Nah I just don't buy it, at the end of WWHulk the Hulk was at a level of power that far outstripped anything that Doomsday had in the past.

When you can show proof of Doomsday sinking the eastern seaboard with a footfall or holding a world together on strength alone, or shifting a continental plate, it would be a ridiculous assumption to even believe that he would last more than five minutes with WWHulk.

DOS DD> DD Rex in terms of speed. That DD's stats was variable due to his mental condition.

But all of that is moot (including who is stronger). The fact remains is that DOS DD is a lot faster than WWH and more relentless. There is no way he doesn't get the first hit in on WWH. After that combo to ko will ensue. Hulk would never get to show his strength in this fight so it doesn't matter who's stronger.

you saw what hulk did to dr. zom right?

hulk just needs to land like 2 blows on doomsday to put him down.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you saw what hulk did to dr. zom right?

hulk just needs to land like 2 blows on doomsday to put him down.

I disagree. DD resisting high calibur armor piercing bullets, Superman hitting him hundreds to thousands of times at full force, and Sentry with the nose busted by Iron Man taking Hulk's blows proves DD can take far more than 2 hits from Hulk. Be serious.

But I do agree that if Hulk lands a good blow and don't let up he wins.

didn't paul already tell you to stop saying the superman/dd fight in dos spawned thousands of blows. now you've upped the ante by a magnitude of one hundred.... wtf?

anyway, dd is tailor made to lose to hulk here, he's basically juggernaut minus the magical protection. he's gonna get popped.

Originally posted by h1a8
'Valid' means 'acceptable' and I will guarantee to you that it is indeed acceptable to someone here (not all though).

Yes if DD stands there and doesn't attack I supposed Hulk would be fast enough to hit him. But I don't see the fight going that way. I see the fight as DD attacking first and comboing Hulk into he is koed or killed.

Even if we start the fight 10000000000000 times at different angles this would still happen and the result will be the same.

i don't care who it's acceptable to or not. it's not acceptable as a debating resource on this forum. i don't know how clearly i can state it.

that doomsday was slow enough to get tagged by most members of the justice league. yes, he showed speed, but nothing compared to the supposed speed later doomsdays showed.

in your opinion.

Originally posted by h1a8
DOS DD> DD Rex in terms of speed. That DD's stats was variable due to his mental condition.

But all of that is moot (including who is stronger). The fact remains is that DOS DD is a lot faster than WWH and more relentless. There is no way he doesn't get the first hit in on WWH. After that combo to ko will ensue. Hulk would never get to show his strength in this fight so it doesn't matter who's stronger.

proof that dos dd was faster than rex?

and this matter of factly attitude isn't helping. prove that dos dd was faster than hulk, or stop.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
didn't paul already tell you to stop saying the superman/dd fight in dos spawned thousands of blows. now you've upped the ante by a magnitude of one hundred.... wtf?

anyway, dd is tailor made to lose to hulk here, he's basically juggernaut minus the magical protection. he's gonna get popped.

What is up with people's English skills these days?
I said "hundreds to thousands". How does that mean thousands only?
Superman could have hit DD 101 times or even 1001 times and my statement will hold.


And learn comics, DD has speed Juggernaut doesn't.

Doomsday using the Hulk as a punching bag is pure nonsense and is not supported by the Hulks prior success with dealing with others who could supposedly speedblitz him. This type of talk has been disproven in comics time and time again. Gladiator as I've said earlier attempted to overcome the Hulk but was stopped cold before he could begin controlling the pace of the fight.

Sentry can be argued to be faster than Doomsday as he is seen in a recent Hulk comic building supports to hold up a building from collapsing after he and the Hulk damaged it. Sentry was seen in many places at once while collected girders, and surprising Ms. Marvel withhis blazing speed.

Ok no offense to H1a8 but I can make a legitimate argument and say that Sentry is faster than Doomsday and he wasn't able to overload World War Hulk with his superior speed, he went straight in and launched his salvo of attacks, but in turn was interupted by the Hulk.

I can argue that the Hulk has a history of beating speedsters, as I can argue the Hulk stopping Doomsdays speedblitz.... Sentry after all never stopped to check how the Hulk was doing, he went in to beat the Hulk and couldn't get the job done.

My point is that Sentry had a better chance of beating the Hulk than Doomsday as he has more powers to get the job done... Doomsday is afterall a brick and can not lay claim to a legitimate BFR.

No I see the Hulk stopping him cold as well and dealing out his own brand of a relenless beatdown.

I don't recall seeing Gladiator try and speedblitz Hulk.

Originally posted by h1a8
What is up with people's English skills these days?
I said "hundreds to thousands". How does that mean thousands only?
Superman could have hit DD 101 times or even 1001 times and my statement will hold.


And learn comics, DD has speed Juggernaut doesn't. you don't remember posting this like...mere hours ago?

a second post that all but confirms your take on the matter:

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman hitting him hundreds to thousands of times at full force

goldfish memory perhaps?

Originally posted by psycho gundam
you don't remember posting this like...mere hours ago?

a second post that all but confirms your take on the matter:



goldfish memory perhaps?
Do you know what hundreds to thousands mean?
It could mean 101, 547, 7,137, etc.


I'm not understanding what is wrong with what I said. Do you think Superman hit DD less than a hundred times?

World War Hulk Stomps the living HELL out of Doomsday unless you can prove DD is capable of the following:

1. Show where Doomsday (ANY version) has ever been capable of cracking an entire seaboard with FOOTSTEPs. Physical feats such as these place World World Hulk on Strength levels beyond that of any brick in comics.

2. Show where DD is capable of regeneration that is GREATER than than of DEADPOOL....(YES, beyond Wolverine's REGEN). Not only is Hulk's regen extremely potent but it is fast as hell, as illustrated when Banner took a bullet to the skull and Hulk reverted all damage moments later...or when over 90% of Hulk's skin was removed only to be COMPLETELY restored moments later.

3. Show how DD is capable of Strength and Durabilty AMPING on Hulk's level. Hulk rage continuously amps both, and does so for as long as he is enraged.

If you can't prove any of these points...
This fight goes on for a few hours until WWH gets pissed enough to end this and quickly.

Originally posted by horrorwolf
World War Hulk Stomps the living HELL out of Doomsday unless you can prove DD is capable of the following:

1. Show where Doomsday (ANY version) has ever been capable of cracking an entire seaboard with FOOTSTEPs. Physical feats such as these place World World Hulk on Strength levels beyond that of any brick in comics.

2. Show where DD is capable of regeneration that is GREATER than than of DEADPOOL....(YES, beyond Wolverine's REGEN). Not only is Hulk's regen extremely potent but it is fast as hell, as illustrated when Banner took a bullet to the skull and Hulk reverted all damage moments later...or when over 90% of Hulk's skin was removed only to be COMPLETELY restored moments later.

3. Show how DD is capable of Strength and Durabilty AMPING on Hulk's level. Hulk rage continuously amps both, and does so for as long as he is enraged.

If you can't prove any of these points...
This fight goes on for a few hours until WWH gets pissed enough to end this and quickly. No high end bricks are far more threatening than WWH. Dos Doomsday loses but the better version wreck wwh.

Originally posted by iceman24567
No high end bricks are far more threatening than WWH. Dos Doomsday loses but the better version wreck wwh.
That's the way I see it too

Originally posted by horrorwolf
World War Hulk Stomps the living HELL out of Doomsday unless you can prove DD is capable of the following:

1. Show where Doomsday (ANY version) has ever been capable of cracking an entire seaboard with FOOTSTEPs. Physical feats such as these place World World Hulk on Strength levels beyond that of any brick in comics.

2. Show where DD is capable of regeneration that is GREATER than than of DEADPOOL....(YES, beyond Wolverine's REGEN). Not only is Hulk's regen extremely potent but it is fast as hell, as illustrated when Banner took a bullet to the skull and Hulk reverted all damage moments later...or when over 90% of Hulk's skin was removed only to be COMPLETELY restored moments later.

3. Show how DD is capable of Strength and Durabilty AMPING on Hulk's level. Hulk rage continuously amps both, and does so for as long as he is enraged.

If you can't prove any of these points...
This fight goes on for a few hours until WWH gets pissed enough to end this and quickly.

Silly you. All I need to show is that DD is capable of hurting Hulk with his blows and also being fast enough to land a blow before Hulk does. This proves as a guaranteed fact that DOS wins everytime.

Simple logic is always the best (and the truth).

he's not stronger than hulk though

Anyone got scans of Gladiator vs Hulk.

edit: Here they are but the quality sux.

Originally posted by Hulk_Power
HULK KICKS THE CRAP OUT OF GLADIATOR LIKE NO ONE ELSE HAS BEFORE
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I cant read or see whats going on in them clearly.

Originally posted by Starscream M
WWH beats DOS DD

WWH loses to HP DD

Yeh and WWH loses to every version of Doomsday after HP, although Dos Doomsday was extremely fast. It be a good battle, yet i believe hulks strength would be to much, since i believe Doomsday wouldnt know how to utilize this speed to his advantage. He would more likely leave him self open for hits from WWH. Which i believe would put him down.

Doomsday is worthless. Beating up the JLA and being stopped by Superman is like beating up the Avengers and being stopped by Thor.

That's what Hulk's always done. And we're talking WWHulk in this thread.

Besides to Mummy Guy, the kid, troll, or shockingly oblivious guy that doesn't know what he's talking about, it should be obvious that Doomsday is a jobber villain with plot device powers. He shows up, hammers a bunch of people, and gets stopped. WWHulk beat everyone, and couldn't be stopped until he allowed himself to be KO'd by the satellites. And what's good about the satellite thing is that they never said how powerful they were, so the whole argument that the satellites were a low showing is completely baseless. For all we know, the satellites fired Hulk-Repellent-Bat-Beams.

Based on WWHulk's showings, which was either KO'ing, outfighting, outsmarting, or converting all of Marvel Earth, I say he beats the guy that Superman alone was able to hold off and beat. And HP Doomsday is no biggie. Supes may have been trying to brick Doomsday, but Hulk could just get fed up and rip Doomsday's bones out and BFR him into space. It's not like Doomsday is a good fighter. His whole method was to eat shots or wait to evolve a workaround. Doomsday is dumber than Savage Hulk. And I'm gonna say it again; downplaying Doomsday doesn't downplay Superman. Superman had the kid gloves on pretty much the entire DOS fight. When he realized he can't just KO Doomsday, he got serious and f'd him up. He obviously could've done it the whole time. And as for HP Doomsday, WWHulk would outfight his ass around the block.

All this "combo" sh*t that keeps being said is ridiculous. The fight would be much tougher than just going in and "pow-pow, Hulk's dead". For one, Doomsday's not a f*cking boxer, and hasn't been trained by anyone his entire life. He's never even actually put any thought into his fights. He has no strategy, tactics, technique, or even real experience when you consider his fights are as simple as him eating shots and he just keeps swinging. Had he ever tried to adapt his skills, to learn, then the experience wouldn't be wasted. But as it is, Doomsday has never advanced as a fighter, because he takes nothing from his fights. Doomsday, even HP Doomsday, is just a mindless brick with a sub-par plot device power. He's not Superman fast. He's not a good fighter. He's not smart at all. All he has is better durability than Hulk. WWHulk is a master strategist, very skilled fighter, mad HF that heals anything within seconds, can catch speedsters, punch at mach speeds, and he's even stronger than Planet Hulk who had pulled his planet together by hand during a global earthquake. Not to mention the second he has any trouble, not that he would, WWHulk amps into World Breaker and thunderclaps with Doomsday's head in the middle. Then Hulk pitches the headless body into the Sun.

That's really what it boils down to. Anybody fighting WWHulk is going to be getting World Breaker as well. And no Doomsday is man enough to handle that.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
he's not stronger than hulk though
I agree 100%

Originally posted by Master Court
Doomsday is worthless. Beating up the JLA and being stopped by Superman is like beating up the Avengers and being stopped by Thor.

That's what Hulk's always done. And we're talking WWHulk in this thread.

Besides to Mummy Guy, the kid, troll, or shockingly oblivious guy that doesn't know what he's talking about, it should be obvious that Doomsday is a jobber villain with plot device powers. He shows up, hammers a bunch of people, and gets stopped. WWHulk beat everyone, and couldn't be stopped until he allowed himself to be KO'd by the satellites. And what's good about the satellite thing is that they never said how powerful they were, so the whole argument that the satellites were a low showing is completely baseless. For all we know, the satellites fired Hulk-Repellent-Bat-Beams.

Based on WWHulk's showings, which was either KO'ing, outfighting, outsmarting, or converting all of Marvel Earth, I say he beats the guy that Superman alone was able to hold off and beat. And HP Doomsday is no biggie. Supes may have been trying to brick Doomsday, but Hulk could just get fed up and rip Doomsday's bones out and BFR him into space. It's not like Doomsday is a good fighter. His whole method was to eat shots or wait to evolve a workaround. Doomsday is dumber than Savage Hulk. And I'm gonna say it again; downplaying Doomsday doesn't downplay Superman. Superman had the kid gloves on pretty much the entire DOS fight. When he realized he can't just KO Doomsday, he got serious and f'd him up. He obviously could've done it the whole time. And as for HP Doomsday, WWHulk would outfight his ass around the block.

All this "combo" sh*t that keeps being said is ridiculous. The fight would be much tougher than just going in and "pow-pow, Hulk's dead". For one, Doomsday's not a f*cking boxer, and hasn't been trained by anyone his entire life. He's never even actually put any thought into his fights. He has no strategy, tactics, technique, or even real experience when you consider his fights are as simple as him eating shots and he just keeps swinging. Had he ever tried to adapt his skills, to learn, then the experience wouldn't be wasted. But as it is, Doomsday has never advanced as a fighter, because he takes nothing from his fights. Doomsday, even HP Doomsday, is just a mindless brick with a sub-par plot device power. He's not Superman fast. He's not a good fighter. He's not smart at all. All he has is better durability than Hulk. WWHulk is a master strategist, very skilled fighter, mad HF that heals anything within seconds, can catch speedsters, punch at mach speeds, and he's even stronger than Planet Hulk who had pulled his planet together by hand during a global earthquake. Not to mention the second he has any trouble, not that he would, WWHulk amps into World Breaker and thunderclaps with Doomsday's head in the middle. Then Hulk pitches the headless body into the Sun.

That's really what it boils down to. Anybody fighting WWHulk is going to be getting World Breaker as well. And no Doomsday is man enough to handle that.

DD is a very fast relentless attacker. It doesn't matter if he has any fighting skills. The fact remains that DD can attack faster than WWH can respond. He will hit WWH first and continue to combo him in a relentless attack until it is over. WWH being stronger won't help him here. He would never get a chance to throw a blow. It's a shame too. All that power wasted.

h1a8 specificaly what are some of dos dd amazing offensive or any speed feats that make u think that hulk wont be able to react/defend against? Also why do u keep discounting all the times hulk has faught,neutralized, and beaten characters who are much faster than dd?

Everything is in DD's favor. Are you all so full of fanboyism that you believe Hulk will actually win. Thats akin to thinking WWH could actually threaten or beat Superman...get a grip

how is everything in dds favor? wwh is stronger, just as durable, has amazing regen and is smarter and is just as viscious and relentless dd has a speed advantage what else? how is it akin to wwh beating supes their two different characters with different power sets and mentalities? i dont even really like the hulk and i think the other dd versions would beat him but not dos dd. also in dos if supes went all out right from the start and not try to wear him down he would have stopped him much quicker in my opinion.

Originally posted by h1a8
DD is a very fast relentless attacker. It doesn't matter if he has any fighting skills. The fact remains that DD can attack faster than WWH can respond. He will hit WWH first and continue to combo him in a relentless attack until it is over. WWH being stronger won't help him here. He would never get a chance to throw a blow. It's a shame too. All that power wasted.
Didn't PR already address this...

Originally posted by -Pr-
proof that dos dd was faster than rex?

and this matter of factly attitude isn't helping. prove that dos dd was faster than hulk, or stop.

Originally posted by Master Court
Doomsday is worthless. Beating up the JLA and being stopped by Superman is like beating up the Avengers and being stopped by Thor.

That's what Hulk's always done. And we're talking WWHulk in this thread.

Besides to Mummy Guy, the kid, troll, or shockingly oblivious guy that doesn't know what he's talking about, it should be obvious that Doomsday is a jobber villain with plot device powers. He shows up, hammers a bunch of people, and gets stopped. WWHulk beat everyone, and couldn't be stopped until he allowed himself to be KO'd by the satellites. And what's good about the satellite thing is that they never said how powerful they were, so the whole argument that the satellites were a low showing is completely baseless. For all we know, the satellites fired Hulk-Repellent-Bat-Beams.

Based on WWHulk's showings, which was either KO'ing, outfighting, outsmarting, or converting all of Marvel Earth, I say he beats the guy that Superman alone was able to hold off and beat. And HP Doomsday is no biggie. Supes may have been trying to brick Doomsday, but Hulk could just get fed up and rip Doomsday's bones out and BFR him into space. It's not like Doomsday is a good fighter. His whole method was to eat shots or wait to evolve a workaround. Doomsday is dumber than Savage Hulk. And I'm gonna say it again; downplaying Doomsday doesn't downplay Superman. Superman had the kid gloves on pretty much the entire DOS fight. When he realized he can't just KO Doomsday, he got serious and f'd him up. He obviously could've done it the whole time. And as for HP Doomsday, WWHulk would outfight his ass around the block.

All this "combo" sh*t that keeps being said is ridiculous. The fight would be much tougher than just going in and "pow-pow, Hulk's dead". For one, Doomsday's not a f*cking boxer, and hasn't been trained by anyone his entire life. He's never even actually put any thought into his fights. He has no strategy, tactics, technique, or even real experience when you consider his fights are as simple as him eating shots and he just keeps swinging. Had he ever tried to adapt his skills, to learn, then the experience wouldn't be wasted. But as it is, Doomsday has never advanced as a fighter, because he takes nothing from his fights. Doomsday, even HP Doomsday, is just a mindless brick with a sub-par plot device power. He's not Superman fast. He's not a good fighter. He's not smart at all. All he has is better durability than Hulk. WWHulk is a master strategist, very skilled fighter, mad HF that heals anything within seconds, can catch speedsters, punch at mach speeds, and he's even stronger than Planet Hulk who had pulled his planet together by hand during a global earthquake. Not to mention the second he has any trouble, not that he would, WWHulk amps into World Breaker and thunderclaps with Doomsday's head in the middle. Then Hulk pitches the headless body into the Sun.

That's really what it boils down to. Anybody fighting WWHulk is going to be getting World Breaker as well. And no Doomsday is man enough to handle that.

you actually believe all that? seriously?

Originally posted by Raptor22
h1a8 specificaly what are some of dos dd amazing offensive or any speed feats that make u think that hulk wont be able to react/defend against? Also why do u keep discounting all the times hulk has faught,neutralized, and beaten characters who are much faster than dd?
What you say is meaningless.

True or False is DD faster than Hulk?
Ans. TRUE

This is a forum fight and not a comic one. The difference is that in a comic characters sometimes don't use their superspeed but where in a forum fight they will.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Didn't PR already address this...

The fact is the either DD Rex was slower than DOS DD or that the Superman in DD Rex was far faster than DOS Superman. Either way it either makes current Superman looks good or DOS DD looks good. I like both so I don't care which one.

Now it is moot of which DD was faster. The fact of the matter is that it is common sense that DOS DD is far faster than any version of Hulk. Thus he wins period.

Originally posted by h1a8
What you say is meaningless.

True or False is DD faster than Hulk?
Ans. TRUE

This is a forum fight and not a comic one. The difference is that in a comic characters sometimes don't use their superspeed but where in a forum fight they will. if he didnt do it in dos then it doesnt matter. what part of that dont u understand? if u cant name any specific speed feats then what makes u think he is so fast hulk cant react to him? all im asking is for some proof to back up your opinions that u keep stating as facts.

Originally posted by h1a8
The fact is the either DD Rex was slower than DOS DD or that the Superman in DD Rex was far faster than DOS Superman. Either way it either makes current Superman looks good or DOS DD looks good. I like both so I don't care which one.

Now it is moot of which DD was faster. The fact of the matter is that it is common sense that DOS DD is far faster than any version of Hulk. Thus he wins period.
Of course Supes was faster against Rex, his(Superman's) powers have been increasing steadily since he was revived after his fight with Doomsday. If Supes were anywhere near as fast then as he is now, it wouldn't have taken him and DD anywhere near as long to cross the country to get to Metropolis.

Any proof that DOS DD has enough of a speed advantage against Hulk to pull an actual blitz against him and/or avoid every punch he throws?

Originally posted by h1a8
The fact is the either DD Rex was slower than DOS DD or that the Superman in DD Rex was far faster than DOS Superman. Either way it either makes current Superman looks good or DOS DD looks good. I like both so I don't care which one.

Now it is moot of which DD was faster. The fact of the matter is that it is common sense that DOS DD is far faster than any version of Hulk. Thus he wins period.

good god.

Superman in OWAW, the one that subsequently fought Rex, was FAR faster than the one from DOS. How can you not know that?

it's not moot when you made the claim. DOS DD was fast enough to match that Superman, but he was not nearly as fast as current Doomsday reflex wise.

Originally posted by -Pr-
you actually believe all that? seriously?



If this is your only statement, I can't clarify my points. I know I'm not entirely in opposition to the whole world's opinions, so at least some of it is generally accepted, and I know at least some of it is true. Here are my points, condensed, and you can tell me what you're opposed to.


1. WWHulk is stronger, at least as durable to blunt damage, heals way faster than even Wolverine, punches at mach speeds, reacts fast enough to catch speedsters, and is a well learned fighter and strategist.

2. Doomsday has an extremely linear mind, has no real intelligence other than instinct, has no training - which really becomes vitally necessary when fighting someone with lots of training, experience, and skill, he has no special powerset that gives him any distinct advantage over Hulk, and Doomsday's power level is generally static.


Those are my points. I left out WWHulk's weaknesses because he has none. Darwin the mutant couldn't evolve anything worth a damn simply because WWHulk has no unique disadvantages. And I left out Doomsday's strengths because he is below Hulk is everything except speed and maybe equal in durability. What exactly is so "incorrect" here?



Originally posted by h1a8
DD is a very fast relentless attacker. It doesn't matter if he has any fighting skills. The fact remains that DD can attack faster than WWH can respond. He will hit WWH first and continue to combo him in a relentless attack until it is over. WWH being stronger won't help him here. He would never get a chance to throw a blow. It's a shame too. All that power wasted.


"A very fast, relentless attacker..." And "Skills don't matter" as well. This is the dumbest statement anyone has ever written. You can't f*cking prove one word you've written here. You can talk about Doomsday's speed feats and sh*t all you want, unless you prove Hulk can't handle Doomsday's speed, your entire argument - which was weak anyway - is pointless. "The fact remains"? You haven't proven one f*cking thing! F*cking "fact remains." Show me a scan where Hulk fails to handle someone with Doomsday's speed. Hulk has never failed to hit his enemies. He's always hit them at least once, no matter who they were. But we have seen Doomsday fail to hit Superman, so it's obvious Doomsday is not top-tier in speed. And you know what? Hulk easily handles mid-tier speedsters. He was quick enough to clothesline Quicksilver. All this means it's impossible to prove Hulk wouldn't be able to keep up with Doomsday, if indeed Doomsday is so fast to begin with.

Here's a little list to make this simple. The "+" marks distinct superiority.

Strength - WWHulk (not counting World Breaker)
Speed - Doomsday+
Durability - Tied
Healing Factor - WWHulk
Skill - WWHulk+
Intelligence - WWHulk+

Get it? And Hulk's reaction speed easily negates most of Doomsday's movement speed advantage. It's a simple rule of fighting. Skill > Reflex > Speed > Strength. Hulk trumps Doomsday in skill, reflex negates speed, and strength makes the KO.

Don't buy any of this sh*t? Fine. But you still haven't actually proven anything. Doomsday is fast. Yes. But you haven't proven, in any way, that Doomsday is too fast for Hulk. That Hulk simply wouldn't be able to evade or counter a single blow, and would just get a completely one-sided hammering. Just prove Doomsday's speed really makes one f*cking bit of difference.

dos dd's getting juggernaut'd

Originally posted by Master Court


If this is your only statement, I can't clarify my points. I know I'm not entirely in opposition to the whole world's opinions, so at least some of it is generally accepted, and I know at least some of it is true. Here are my points, condensed, and you can tell me what you're opposed to.


1. WWHulk is stronger, at least as durable to blunt damage, heals way faster than even Wolverine, punches at mach speeds, reacts fast enough to catch speedsters, and is a well learned fighter and strategist.

2. Doomsday has an extremely linear mind, has no real intelligence other than instinct, has no training - which really becomes vitally necessary when fighting someone with lots of training, experience, and skill, he has no special powerset that gives him any distinct advantage over Hulk, and Doomsday's power level is generally static.


Those are my points. I left out WWHulk's weaknesses because he has none. Darwin the mutant couldn't evolve anything worth a damn simply because WWHulk has no unique disadvantages. And I left out Doomsday's strengths because he is below Hulk is everything except speed and maybe equal in durability. What exactly is so "incorrect" here?

i didn't ask you to clarify. i just hoped that you might have been sarcastic.

DOS DD is a plot device but WWH isn't?

your assertion that H/P DD would be so easily defeated. Superman is an incredibly skilled fighter, and he has trouble with Doomsday when they fight. Hulk's skill really isn't that much of a factor when going up against H/P. DOS? Sure.

Honestly, if your points had just concerned DOS DD (who i think loses this), i wouldn't have minded, but your claims about H/P and his so-called weaknesses make me question how much you've read of the character, tbh...

Originally posted by Master Court


Besides to Mummy Guy, the kid, troll, or shockingly oblivious guy that doesn't know what he's talking about, it should be obvious that Doomsday is a jobber villain with plot device powers

oh really ? well retardo it seem to me that the same story goes for hulk the guy who everybody practice on... am i wrong? colossus beat hulk, spider-man beat hulk, everybody beat hulk he is like the sparing partner to every new character marvel intreduce or want to show his powers, so if something you really should keep it shut

Originally posted by mummy_guy
spider-man beat hulk

I'm pretty sceptical about this, can you tell me the issue number of that?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I'm pretty sceptical about this, can you tell me the issue number of that?

i dont remember but it was when he was punching hulk a lot until he fell down

Originally posted by mummy_guy
i dont remember but it was when he was punching hulk a lot until he fell down

Are you thinking about the fight where Spidey KO's Hulk by dropping a truck on him, or the 1 where Hulk is depicted as being punched out by a handful of punches from Captain America and Spiderman.
These shouldn't be taken into consideration as they are utter PIS.

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Are you thinking about the fight where Spidey KO's Hulk by dropping a truck on him, or the 1 where Hulk is depicted as being punched out by a handful of punches from Captain America and Spiderman.
These shouldn't be taken into consideration as they are utter PIS.

90% of the fights where hulk gets defeated by the likes of thing or colossus or namor are PIS but that was my point that hulk is the king of PIS and jobbing other characters on his expance, everytime marvel wants to show us that some character is physically strong they put the character against hulk and let the character beat the hulk

Originally posted by BUSTER1
Are you thinking about the fight where Spidey KO's Hulk by dropping a truck on him, or the 1 where Hulk is depicted as being punched out by a handful of punches from Captain America and Spiderman.
These shouldn't be taken into consideration as they are utter PIS. especially when he singlehandedly took on the FF and the avengers long before that.

spider-man beating the hulk through brute force alone would be considered SvFL, and thus is unusable on the forum.

mummy_guy, stop calling people names.

Originally posted by mummy_guy
oh really ? well retardo it seem to me that the same story goes for hulk the guy who everybody practice on... am i wrong? colossus beat hulk, spider-man beat hulk, everybody beat hulk he is like the sparing partner to every new character marvel intreduce or want to show his powers, so if something you really should keep it shut


It's adorable the way you try really, really, hard. But bad spelling, poor grammar, poor punctuations, and I don't even see one capital letter. And you make a very poor point. KMC uses high-showings, not low showings. And not PIS. If Green Goblin suddenly upped and KO'd Hulk, it wouldn't mean a damn thing. Why? PIS. It refers to when a character, most unlike themselves, loses to someone they should be able to effortlessly stomp. 99% of Thing/Hulk fights go to Hulk. And all but one or two Hulk/Spider-Man fights have gone to Hulk. But most of the time, Spider-Man is running for his life, and Thing himself admitted he was never even in Hulk's league. And Colossus didn't beat Hulk. He had one fight where anti-Hulk people like to say "KO! KO!" But it's exceedingly obvious Hulk was playing possum. Never mind that, though, let's stay on topic. Your grammar is atrocious. Just read your last sentence. "so if something you really should keep it shut"? Is English not your first language, then? That would explain it.

Anyway, don't use the word "retard" anymore. I don't get offended by anything because most insults don't even apply to me in the slightest, but you never know who's reading. Someone here might know someone not quite as lucky as us to have the minds we do. Or at least the ability to use them. Even to your extent. Do it again, and your neighbor will be opening a nail-bomb sent express from yours truly.


Originally posted by -Pr-
i didn't ask you to clarify. i just hoped that you might have been sarcastic.

DOS DD is a plot device but WWH isn't?

your assertion that H/P DD would be so easily defeated. Superman is an incredibly skilled fighter, and he has trouble with Doomsday when they fight. Hulk's skill really isn't that much of a factor when going up against H/P. DOS? Sure.

Honestly, if your points had just concerned DOS DD (who i think loses this), i wouldn't have minded, but your claims about H/P and his so-called weaknesses make me question how much you've read of the character, tbh...


Someone I can work with.


WWHulk was a plot device to a degree. But there's a gross difference between Doomsday and WWHulk.

I'm not comparing regular Hulk with any Doomday. Honestly, considering Hulk wouldn't initially hold back like Superman did, I think Savage Hulk would've relatively easily beaten DOS Doomsday. So would have Superman if he didn't hold back in the beginning. And then we have HP Doomsday. This is where Doomsday's plot-device-ness hits new heights. Hulk's plot-device power is that he keeps getting stronger, allowing lower guys to get a good showing if they fight him early, but also allowing Hulk to always get strong enough to meet the challenge. Doomsday though... You can't kill him the same way twice? At least Hulk's strength makes sense, through the explanation of adrenaline and generating more energy, but Doomsday just simply "evolves"? And that's it? It's like a child came up with his powers.


And my points about HP Doomsday. I wasn't really saying why he loses. More like I was saying why WWHulk wins. For one, HP DD didn't actually out-fight Superman. He was simply too strong. Superman hit him several times, it just had no effect. Superman got bones broken by blunt force, not really by tactics or technique. HP DD's power makes it hard to gauge just how much of his superiority over Superman was skill. I mean, Superman wasn't holding back this time, and he was almost completely ineffective. HP DD laughed him off. Someone that much more powerful than his enemy really doesn't need any skill. Just being fast enough is enough to take the fight. And then we have WWHulk. Powerful enough to proxy-KO Sentry while holding back and being pacified at the same time. He fights intelligently as well as with power. The only person WWHulk had trouble with was Hercules, whom even Thor said was a better fighter than himself. I don't think HP DD loses through his own faults. I think WWHulk is simply powerful enough to meet him physically, and then outclasses him with skill.


Anyway, if I ever said WWHulk stomps HP Doomsday, I was just being a little over zealous. It would definitely be a fight. But I think WWHulk wins for sure.

the strength difference between dos dd and hulk is too vast, and the hulk's healing factor negates pretty much everything dos dd is capable of dishing out.

and hulk didn't even want to kill the illuminati with his own hands, he wanted them to experience life on sakaar and kill each other. he could have oneshotted all of them to death if he really intended for them to die like that.

dd's not faring better than zom strange.

Yeah i agree he would do far better because he doesn't care about the lives of civilians.

Originally posted by Master Court
It's adorable the way you try really, really, hard. But bad spelling, poor grammar, poor punctuations, and I don't even see one capital letter. And you make a very poor point. KMC uses high-showings, not low showings. And not PIS. If Green Goblin suddenly upped and KO'd Hulk, it wouldn't mean a damn thing. Why? PIS. It refers to when a character, most unlike themselves, loses to someone they should be able to effortlessly stomp. 99% of Thing/Hulk fights go to Hulk. And all but one or two Hulk/Spider-Man fights have gone to Hulk. But most of the time, Spider-Man is running for his life, and Thing himself admitted he was never even in Hulk's league. And Colossus didn't beat Hulk. He had one fight where anti-Hulk people like to say "KO! KO!" But it's exceedingly obvious Hulk was playing possum. Never mind that, though, let's stay on topic. Your grammar is atrocious. Just read your last sentence. "so if something you really should keep it shut"? Is English not your first language, then? That would explain it.

Anyway, don't use the word "retard" anymore. I don't get offended by anything because most insults don't even apply to me in the slightest, but you never know who's reading. Someone here might know someone not quite as lucky as us to have the minds we do. Or at least the ability to use them. Even to your extent. Do it again, and your neighbor will be opening a nail-bomb sent express from yours truly.



my spelling and grammer arent perfect i admit but thats because english is not my first language i would really like to see you type in other language the way i type english and then i will let you talk about that until then stick to your sarcasm, low showings why are those low showings to see thing or colossus beat hulk? they sure can do it and have the potential to take him out while he is not that angry like happened many times already , i see that you got offended by the word retard i wonder why

Originally posted by Master Court


I think WWHulk is simply powerful enough to meet him physically, and then outclasses him with skill.

Anyway, if I ever said WWHulk stomps HP Doomsday, I was just being a little over zealous. It would definitely be a fight. But I think WWHulk wins for sure.

alright how can i not make fun and laugh at you when you state hulk can defeat HP doomsday? sorry but you make me laugh and fart at same time

This is a forum fight where the first person to be KO'd (no matter how long) wins right?

WWH wins then.

WWH isnt going to be bringing any pansy stuff to the table like Superman did at first.

Originally posted by Master Court

Someone I can work with.


WWHulk was a plot device to a degree. But there's a gross difference between Doomsday and WWHulk.

I'm not comparing regular Hulk with any Doomday. Honestly, considering Hulk wouldn't initially hold back like Superman did, I think Savage Hulk would've relatively easily beaten DOS Doomsday. So would have Superman if he didn't hold back in the beginning. And then we have HP Doomsday. This is where Doomsday's plot-device-ness hits new heights. Hulk's plot-device power is that he keeps getting stronger, allowing lower guys to get a good showing if they fight him early, but also allowing Hulk to always get strong enough to meet the challenge. Doomsday though... You can't kill him the same way twice? At least Hulk's strength makes sense, through the explanation of adrenaline and generating more energy, but Doomsday just simply "evolves"? And that's it? It's like a child came up with his powers.

i guess i just don't consider hulk's powerset to be any more complex than doomsday's. while it's true that doomsday was initially created to fulfill the needs of the plot, he's become a lot more than that in years gone by. yes, hulk has developed more personally, but doomsday doesn't have that capability (bar his short-lived intelligence during Gog Wars). he is to superman physically what luthor is mentally. a foe that might be too much for even superman. the psychological effect of something like that can be immense, and when used well, makes for some very good issues, imo...



to which i disagree, but that's fine i guess. beating the sentry he beat just doesn't impress me as much as H/P's absolute stomping of superman physically, when superman is supposed to be top tier when it comes to physical strength in dc. while i think Superman has gotten to the point where he's know a match for that doomsday, that only strengthens how powerful that guy simply was.



np. i think doomsday wins...

Originally posted by -Pr-
i guess i just don't consider hulk's powerset to be any more complex than doomsday's. while it's true that doomsday was initially created to fulfill the needs of the plot, he's become a lot more than that in years gone by. yes, hulk has developed more personally, but doomsday doesn't have that capability (bar his short-lived intelligence during Gog Wars). he is to superman physically what luthor is mentally. a foe that might be too much for even superman. the psychological effect of something like that can be immense, and when used well, makes for some very good issues, imo...



to which i disagree, but that's fine i guess. beating the sentry he beat just doesn't impress me as much as H/P's absolute stomping of superman physically, when superman is supposed to be top tier when it comes to physical strength in dc. while i think Superman has gotten to the point where he's know a match for that doomsday, that only strengthens how powerful that guy simply was.



np. i think doomsday wins...


Fair enough. I understand your views. True, Sentry wasn't very impressive in WWHulk, but the point I was emphasizing was that Hulk won even though he wasn't even fighting all that hard, not to mention the power cap that Sentry's aura puts on Hulk. Despite Sentry going all-out against Hulk, their fight didn't do anywhere near the kind of damage World Breaker alone did just by taking idle footsteps. However, until we see Sentry do something really impressive, it'll be impossible to gauge exactly what WWHulk was dealing with, and thus it's really impossible to gauge WWHulk's power as well.



Originally posted by mummy_guy
my spelling and grammer arent perfect i admit but thats because english is not my first language i would really like to see you type in other language the way i type english and then i will let you talk about that until then stick to your sarcasm, low showings why are those low showings to see thing or colossus beat hulk? they sure can do it and have the potential to take him out while he is not that angry like happened many times already , i see that you got offended by the word retard i wonder why


Can you read English very well? I had already guessed that English is not your first language. Having confirmed that, I'll leave you alone about it.

You're grossly mistaken about Hulk's track record with certain characters. There's a world of difference between selling a punch, and being defeated. However, I can see you simply don't like Hulk, so I won't waste anymore of my time explaining the whole thing to you.


And again I ask, how well can you read English? I clearly stated the word "retard" has absolutely no effect on me in terms of being an insult. I'm clearly not mentally handicapped, and among my peers in life I have nothing to prove. Bottom line, I don't use insults on others that just might hit people they're not aimed at. I use a lot of insults, but making it personal or insensitive is what makes the world such a sh*tty place. And I regard you with such contempt because you have no desire to take part in a real debate, and when you do it's obviously with only a mild semblance of general knowledge for the characters on either side. I don't know in what country you live, and neither then your local custom in regards with gentlemanly conduct, but in civilized societies we have made a clear distinction between general "nothing" insults, "personal" insults that are true insults but not beyond the fault, repair, or recovery of the person being insulted, and the significantly worse "indefensibly insensitive" insults that attack someone in a way they clearly can't contest. Using insensitive insults on someone they clearly don't apply to only serves to potentially hurt others. You never know who that might be. I don't take "retard" personally. Why would I? But others might, and they have no defense. And that just makes you a piece of sh*t, not worth the time it takes to roll you up in a carpet and throw you off a f*cking bridge. That's a personal insult.

Originally posted by Master Court







Can you read English very well? I had already guessed that English is not your first language. Having confirmed that, I'll leave you alone about it.

You're grossly mistaken about Hulk's track record with certain characters. There's a world of difference between selling a punch, and being defeated. However, I can see you simply don't like Hulk, so I won't waste anymore of my time explaining the whole thing to you.


And again I ask, how well can you read English? I clearly stated the word "retard" has absolutely no effect on me in terms of being an insult. I'm clearly not mentally handicapped, and among my peers in life I have nothing to prove. Bottom line, I don't use insults on others that just might hit people they're not aimed at. I use a lot of insults, but making it personal or insensitive is what makes the world such a sh*tty place. And I regard you with such contempt because you have no desire to take part in a real debate, and when you do it's obviously with only a mild semblance of general knowledge for the characters on either side. I don't know in what country you live, and neither then your local custom in regards with gentlemanly conduct, but in civilized societies we have made a clear distinction between general "nothing" insults, "personal" insults that are true insults but not beyond the fault, repair, or recovery of the person being insulted, and the significantly worse "indefensibly insensitive" insults that attack someone in a way they clearly can't contest. Using insensitive insults on someone they clearly don't apply to only serves to potentially hurt others. You never know who that might be. I don't take "retard" personally. Why would I? But others might, and they have no defense. And that just makes you a piece of sh*t, not worth the time it takes to roll you up in a carpet and throw you off a f*cking bridge. That's a personal insult.

Lol its just too damn funny how i say that you are a retard and you are writing to me scrolls after scrolls of insults

could it be that maybe some family member of yours is retard thats why you get so pissed off by it? well if thats the case that i can see how it can run in your family... anyway retardo you really dont worth my time halfbreed

facepalm

Originally posted by mummy_guy
Lol its just too damn funny how i say that you are a retard and you are writing to me scrolls after scrolls of insults

could it be that maybe some family member of yours is retard thats why you get so pissed off by it? well if thats the case that i can see how it can run in your family... anyway retardo you really dont worth my time halfbreed Eloquently put.

Doomsday WRECKS that chump Hulk.

DoS DD would lose after a decent tussle.

H/P-DD wars/OWAW DD wins 7/10.

DD Rex stalemates.

And anyone who thinks that DD is completely unskilled has absolutely Zero true knowledge of the character beyond the surface.

Originally posted by Master Court
Doomsday is worthless. Beating up the JLA and being stopped by Superman is like beating up the Avengers and being stopped by Thor.

That's what Hulk's always done. And we're talking WWHulk in this thread.

Besides to Mummy Guy, the kid, troll, or shockingly oblivious guy that doesn't know what he's talking about, it should be obvious that Doomsday is a jobber villain with plot device powers. He shows up, hammers a bunch of people, and gets stopped. WWHulk beat everyone, and couldn't be stopped until he allowed himself to be KO'd by the satellites. And what's good about the satellite thing is that they never said how powerful they were, so the whole argument that the satellites were a low showing is completely baseless. For all we know, the satellites fired Hulk-Repellent-Bat-Beams.


That's nice.

With the exception of Zom Strange, who clearly dominated Hulk, and Sentry, who stalemated WW Hulk, WWHulk fought NO ONE on par eith the Morrison JLA's Big Guns. He could even beat a full powered Juggernaut straight up.




Not really, since DD wrecked Darkseid, who is easily more skilled than Hulk.

H/P-DDWars Doomsday beat Orion and J'Onn in less than a minute.

Thus, Hulk cannot possibly out muscle him considering he couldn't even out muscle a chump like Juggernaut.




Exact proof of the fact that anyone claiming that DD is unskilled knows nothing about DD.

You do know that DD's origin is that he spent hundreds if not thousands of lifetimes fighting beasts since infancy, right? part of his powerset is that his instincts are the accumulation of thousands of years of combat.

Then, of course there's the fact that Doomsday has dynamic, rage fueled strength. he's qyuuick enough to catch Flash III(Wally West).

Sorry, But WW Hulk has nothing superior to what DD has demonstrated.

Originally posted by mummy_guy
Lol its just too damn funny how i say that you are a retard and you are writing to me scrolls after scrolls of insults

could it be that maybe some family member of yours is retard thats why you get so pissed off by it? well if thats the case that i can see how it can run in your family... anyway retardo you really dont worth my time halfbreed


It keeps my d*ck hard for like six hours when people struggle to keep up with me and then fruitlessly try "going for the jugular".


Originally posted by panthergod
That's nice.

With the exception of Zom Strange, who clearly dominated Hulk, and Sentry, who stalemated WW Hulk, WWHulk fought NO ONE on par eith the Morrison JLA's Big Guns. He could even beat a full powered Juggernaut straight up.

Not really, since DD wrecked Darkseid, who is easily more skilled than Hulk.

H/P-DDWars Doomsday beat Orion and J'Onn in less than a minute.

Thus, Hulk cannot possibly out muscle him considering he couldn't even out muscle a chump like Juggernaut.

Exact proof of the fact that anyone claiming that DD is unskilled knows nothing about DD.

You do know that DD's origin is that he spent hundreds if not thousands of lifetimes fighting beasts since infancy, right? part of his powerset is that his instincts are the accumulation of thousands of years of combat.

Then, of course there's the fact that Doomsday has dynamic, rage fueled strength. he's qyuuick enough to catch Flash III(Wally West).

Sorry, But WW Hulk has nothing superior to what DD has demonstrated.


You're just a little off about a few things. For one, "couldn't even out-muscle Juggernaut?" Juggernaut has shown to have the strength to smack even Thor around and take some of his hardest hits. And in case you forgot or simply didn't know, WWHulk was holding back a big chunk of his power the entire arc, including when he stalemated Juggernaut and beat Sentry despite Sentry's aura. World Breaker was powerful enough to do damage along the entire coast of the US with a footstep.


And Doomsday didn't spend years fighting monsters. He spent years being killed by monsters. And given that his power is to evolve beyond what killed him, he wouldn't have to be all that skilled when he automatically resurrects beyond the monster's capacity to kill. Get it? That's the only reason he pwned Superman in H/P. Superman was outgunned. And we're not talking standard Savage Hulk, who is already in Superman range. WWHulk's plot device specifically put him above that range, as clearly indicated by defeating Sentry while holding back and being pacified at the same time. That's like if a special Superman beat Black Adam while holding back and being exposed to kryptonite at the same time. Doctor Strange even explained that unrestrained Ghost Rider, whose power he said was boundless and godlike, could "possibly" defeat WWHulk, and that was only based on what he saw of pre-World Breaker WWHulk. And Zom/Strange? Hulk beat him senseless in just a few shots. And Hulk's wounds healed up in seconds. Zom/Strange really didn't do better than anyone else. It may have been a fight, but not a stomp, and WWHulk was still holding back at the time.

I'm sure Doomsday has skill. But he's not had to rely on it nearly as much as Hulk. Hulk's never had the luxury of just getting killed and coming back way too strong to be killed by the same creature. Seriously, DOS Doomsday, Superman killed him. HP Doomsday, however, came back absurdly powerful, and stomped Superman. Superman killed him when their powers were equal. But HP Doomsday was just way beyond Superman. Skill, in that fight, wasn't seen and didn't make a difference. But WWHulk not only has the experience of Savage Hulk's years and years of fighting Thor, Juggernaut, Hercules, Namor, Abomination, and Silver Surfer, he's actually had training as well. Powers aside, those guys were much better fighters than Hulk and at least or more than able to physically challenge him. And power-wise, Hulk was able to clock Surfer even while getting his gamma siphoned, and has taken some of Thor's hardest shots in stride.

Doomsday is skilled? Fine. But I ask, do you really think DOS Doomsday would have fared well against Darkseid? It wasn't until he came back in H/P that he was an ultra-brick and stomped Darkseid and Superman. However, Hulk has pwned Namor, almost beat Abomination, Hercules, and Gladiator to death, has gone toe-to-toe with Thor for hours, and he beat Silver Surfer bad in the arena while they were both weakened. WWHulk has oodles of skill and years of experience fighting enemies that actually fight back instead of just monsters that eat and maul you.

In my opinion, Hulk's fighting experience has been more valuable, and with the WWHulk persona he should be plenty able to challenge HP Doomsday physically. If they're physically matched, it would boil down to skill. And WWHulk is simply more skilled. Or rather, his fights have shown to not be entirely about power. He was using tactics on people he easily could've stomped, like Emma Frost and Rockslide. This fight comes down to skill. If this isn't a stalemate because of HF's, WWHulk wins by KO.

Originally posted by panthergod
That's nice.

With the exception of Zom Strange, who clearly dominated Hulk, and Sentry, who stalemated WW Hulk, WWHulk fought NO ONE on par eith the Morrison JLA's Big Guns. He could even beat a full powered Juggernaut straight up.




Not really, since DD wrecked Darkseid, who is easily more skilled than Hulk.

H/P-DDWars Doomsday beat Orion and J'Onn in less than a minute.

Thus, Hulk cannot possibly out muscle him considering he couldn't even out muscle a chump like Juggernaut.




Exact proof of the fact that anyone claiming that DD is unskilled knows nothing about DD.

You do know that DD's origin is that he spent hundreds if not thousands of lifetimes fighting beasts since infancy, right? part of his powerset is that his instincts are the accumulation of thousands of years of combat.

Then, of course there's the fact that Doomsday has dynamic, rage fueled strength. he's qyuuick enough to catch Flash III(Wally West).

Sorry, But WW Hulk has nothing superior to what DD has demonstrated.

You talk of how people "know nothing of DD"-you obviously know nothing about Juggernaut

theres clearly alot of superman/doomsday/dc fanboys on these boards. if you have read the comic youd no that ww hulk would rip doomsday apart with not much effort. we are talking bout a guy who can break asteroids twice the size of earth with one punch, shift planetary plates and was the only one to survive the nuclear blast that killed his planet. i saw the superman movie doomsday died from an orbital drop from space. dont even bring super speed into combat because the flast(fastest man alive) has been punched in the face by humans so superspeed is more of a travelling power than combat. if that wasnt the case superman would strike doomsday with 10 punches before he even threw one.

hulk eventually wins

Originally posted by princejlee
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Originally posted by princejlee
theres clearly alot of superman/doomsday/dc fanboys on these boards. if you have read the comic youd no that ww hulk would rip doomsday apart with not much effort. we are talking bout a guy who can break asteroids twice the size of earth with one punch, shift planetary plates and was the only one to survive the nuclear blast that killed his planet. i saw the superman movie doomsday died from an orbital drop from space. dont even bring super speed into combat because the flast(fastest man alive) has been punched in the face by humans so superspeed is more of a travelling power than combat. if that wasnt the case superman would strike doomsday with 10 punches before he even threw one.

hulk eventually wins

Originally posted by princejlee
theres clearly alot of superman/doomsday/dc fanboys on these boards. if you have read the comic youd no that ww hulk would rip doomsday apart with not much effort. we are talking bout a guy who can break asteroids twice the size of earth with one punch, shift planetary plates and was the only one to survive the nuclear blast that killed his planet. i saw the superman movie doomsday died from an orbital drop from space. dont even bring super speed into combat because the flast(fastest man alive) has been punched in the face by humans so superspeed is more of a travelling power than combat. if that wasnt the case superman would strike doomsday with 10 punches before he even threw one.

hulk eventually wins You are mixing different variations of these characters and failing at it . Most Doomsdays would demolish WWh.

Originally posted by iceman24567
You are mixing different variations of these characters and failing at it . Most Doomsdays would demolish WWh.

dought hulk would even need to be wwh just savage hulk is sufficient enough
besides this battle would never be lets stick to marvel vs marvel and viseversa no crossovers

Originally posted by princejlee
dought hulk would even need to be wwh just savage hulk is sufficient enough
besides this battle would never be lets stick to marvel vs marvel and viseversa no crossovers Not really . Savage Hulk would get koed by most versions of Doomsday.

Originally posted by princejlee
theres clearly alot of superman/doomsday/dc fanboys on these boards. if you have read the comic youd no that ww hulk would rip doomsday apart with not much effort. we are talking bout a guy who can break asteroids twice the size of earth with one punch, shift planetary plates and was the only one to survive the nuclear blast that killed his planet. i saw the superman movie doomsday died from an orbital drop from space. dont even bring super speed into combat because the flast(fastest man alive) has been punched in the face by humans so superspeed is more of a travelling power than combat. if that wasnt the case superman would strike doomsday with 10 punches before he even threw one.

hulk eventually wins
Hulk almost got beat by a Wolverine. Heck 3 tanks in the movie were giving hulk huge trouble.

Guess what. It don't count!

WWH for the win-I need not explain myself