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he doesnt get fully healed after each match, only 25%.

DBZ Goku

all fights take place in other world

1. Pikkon
2. SS2 Gohan
3. Broly
4. Perfect Cell
5. Fat Buu
6. Gotenks
7. Ultimate Gohan

End of Z Goku?

If he means end of Z Goku, then he clears it with a bit of effort.

Anytime before the Cell saga, no.

Originally posted by KingD19
If he means end of Z Goku, then he clears it with a bit of effort.

Anytime before the Cell saga, no.

EOZ Goku would lose to Ultimate Gohan.

End of Z Goku could go SSJ3, no way he loses to Ultimate Gohan, who went down to a much weaker version of Buu.

Originally posted by KingD19
End of Z Goku could go SSJ3, no way he loses to Ultimate Gohan, who went down to a much weaker version of Buu.

What? Goku admitted that Super Buu without Gotenks and Gohan would kill him. The same Buu that Gohan was stomping. You also forget that Goku has a very short limit in 3 so he wouldn't be fighting him for long. Gohan stomps him hard.

Kid Buu is not the strongest Buu, only the most dangerous.

Stops at six or seven.

Goku can and has used Kaoken with his SuperSaiyan form (did it against Frieza) if he does it in ss3 against ultimate gohan he can beat him. ultimate gohan maybe more a little more powerful but he definitely doesnt fight better

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
Goku can and has used Kaoken with his SuperSaiyan form (did it against Frieza) if he does it in ss3 against ultimate gohan he can beat him. ultimate gohan maybe more a little more powerful but he definitely doesnt fight better

Then he'll drain himself even faster. No proof that SSJ3 KK Goku could beat him especially when Goku knew he could do that and still said that Super Buu would kill him and Vegeta, the same Buu that Gohan was stomping. The skill gap between Gohan and Goku isn't great at all. Gohan would still beat him h2h.

gohan never ever was on goku's skill level not even close. power level only. i set it in other world because goku can sustain ss3 for long periods of time as opposed to earth where is for a few minutes. Kaoken multiplies his strength. full potential gohan was barely 2x ss3 goku. you do notice how goku says someone can kill him often, against frieza, cell, so him saying it really can be taken with a grain of salt

Goku can stay SSJ3 for extremely long periods of time in Other World, he takes it.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
gohan never ever was on goku's skill level not even close. power level only. i set it in other world because goku can sustain ss3 for long periods of time as opposed to earth where is for a few minutes. Kaoken multiplies his strength. full potential gohan was barely 2x ss3 goku. you do notice how goku says someone can kill him often, against frieza, cell, so him saying it really can be taken with a grain of salt

Yeah but Cell actually could kill him and Frieza at a certain point could too. He didn't believe Frieza could kill him once he went SSJ.

Originally posted by KingD19
Goku can stay SSJ3 for extremely long periods of time in Other World, he takes it.

SSJ3 still isn't enough to beat U. Gohan. If it was then he would've had no problem going out there to fight him. He was more than ready to fight the weaker kid buu version though.

goku couldnt sustain ss3 for long periods on earth thats why he didnt go fight super buu. he had all ready used up alot of energy.

oh and kid buu is the second strongest buu. when kid buu absorbed south supreme kai is his strongest form, (not to be confused with super buu)

Gokou stops at Gohan, no way he's getting past that. Possibly stops at Gotenks if Gotenks is actually smart but that wouldn't ever happen. But being in otherworld would probably keep ssj3 from wearing out the fusion so fast just like it wouldn't wear out Gokou so fast.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
goku couldnt sustain ss3 for long periods on earth thats why he didnt go fight super buu. he had all ready used up alot of energy.

oh and kid buu is the second strongest buu. when kid buu absorbed south supreme kai is his strongest form, (not to be confused with super buu)

No Super Buu is the strongest.

Yet when Goku saw Kid Buu he was more than willing to fight him even though he had the same level of stamina that he had when he was inside of Buu. Nothing different happened from the time he was in Buu to the time he came out of Buu except for Buu got weaker.

Kid Buu is not the strongest Buu, it was his lack of reason and uncontrollable urge to destroy everything that made him so dangerous...

People still think Kid Buu was the strongest Buu? LOL

Dudez.

There are many Buus stronger than Kid Buu, Super Buu(And his forms after absorbing), and the Buu after absorbing South Kaioshin are all stronger than Kid Buu.

He'll only barely if at all be able to get past six. Between the two SSJ3's Gotenks is the stronger one by a small margin as confirmed. But no matter that, he's not in anyway getting past Ultimate Gohan, who was stronger than every single character before him and only weaker than Buutenks and Vegito.

And for the record, Kid Buu is the second weakest of Buu's forms. All the strongest Buu forms were when he was in his several Super Buu forms.

When Super Buu was changing back to his Kid Buu form (just before blowing up the earth), didn't Vegeta say "Why is his energy increasing instead of decreasing?" or something to that effect?

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
When Super Buu was changing back to his Kid Buu form (just before blowing up the earth), didn't Vegeta say "Why is his energy increasing instead of decreasing?" or something to that effect? dont remember that

Originally posted by yungz22
dont remember that
He says it around the beginning of here.

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Forgot though if that was just a dub thing, or if he said it in the manga too.

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
When Super Buu was changing back to his Kid Buu form (just before blowing up the earth), didn't Vegeta say "Why is his energy increasing instead of decreasing?" or something to that effect?

He was passing through his South Supreme Kai form while Vegeta was saying that. That was the form where Vegeta made note of his increasing energy.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
He was passing through his South Supreme Kai form while Vegeta was saying that. That was the form where Vegeta made note of his increasing energy.

the south supreme kai is the strongest then kid buu then super buu gohan absorbed.

also gotenks couldnt beat goku. he may be a bit stronger but goku makes up for that with his advanced training.

with that said he could beat ultimate gohan if he uses his kao-ken with his super saiyan 3 form, but he would have to be at atleast 85%

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
the south supreme kai is the strongest then kid buu then super buu gohan absorbed.

also gotenks couldnt beat goku. he may be a bit stronger but goku makes up for that with his advanced training.

with that said he could beat ultimate gohan if he uses his kao-ken with his super saiyan 3 form, but he would have to be at atleast 85%

what dont you get how could the supreme kai buu be stronger than Buu fused with gotenks piccolo and gohan. Gohan buu is the strongest. You know there are videos proving this.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
the south supreme kai is the strongest then kid buu then super buu gohan absorbed.
Based on what? There is absolutely no reason to think that Gohan Buu is weaker than either of those two.

Also the fact that they needed vegito to beat gohan buu but only goku was able to defeat kid buu on his own proves my point.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
He was passing through his South Supreme Kai form while Vegeta was saying that. That was the form where Vegeta made note of his increasing energy.
Ah, okay.

Still, there was also a part (at 9:02) that implied Kid Buu had become weaker when he absorbed South Supreme Kai.

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"It brought his power down, and I thought the opposite was true."

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
He says it around the beginning of here.

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Forgot though if that was just a dub thing, or if he said it in the manga too.

this video proves it kid buu is the strongest

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
this video proves it kid buu is the strongest
No, it proves he's stronger than regular super-buu with nobody absorbed... assuming the line was in the original in the first place...

stronger than before.. means the strongest version of him they have seen. if you cant get the context clues then dont argue.

Originally posted by King Kandy
No, it proves he's stronger than regular super-buu with nobody absorbed... assuming the line was in the original in the first place...

Which it wasn't. Every line implying Kid Buu as being the strongest were either dub errors or mistranslations. The ulterior sources only ever spoke of Kid Buu being the most dangerous due to how reckless and insane he was.

Was the bit about his power going up when in South Kaoshin form in the manga?

Also, I believe it was only the total benevolence of the Daiyokai that weakened Buu.

Yes (IIRC).

And Yes.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
stronger than before.. means the strongest version of him they have seen. if you cant get the context clues then dont argue.

Notice the Buu that changed was super buu with no one absorbed. So when they said he was stronger than before he was stronger than the form he changed from which was super buu no one absorbed. Also think about it if Kid buu was the strongest they would have needed to use fusion against him like they did gohanbuu.

When Kid Buu gets done transforming they make fun of him being small, and act like he'll be a piece of cake to beat. It's like they can't feel his power. And still underestimate him after he's beating them all without being serious. It's kinda weird.

Meh.

Only another reason why the Buu saga was the worst.

Better than Namek imho.

Buu saga was my favorite saga. Then again I just like Goten and Trunks, and their fight is one of my favorites. Saiyan Saga is about the only other saga I really like.

Originally posted by yungz22
Notice the Buu that changed was super buu with no one absorbed. So when they said he was stronger than before he was stronger than the form he changed from which was super buu no one absorbed. Also think about it if Kid buu was the strongest they would have needed to use fusion against him like they did gohanbuu.

The ki's did bring up Vegita and goku fusing saying that they need to because buu is stronger than ever and vegeta ended up crushing the rings.

Then the ki's say "how do you plan on beating him, he's stronger than ever", which basically means he was stronger than any other buu.

Originally posted by First_Tsurugi06
Better than Namek imho. Dude naw, no way.

Freeza was the single best villain DBZ had.

Originally posted by carver9
The ki's did bring up Vegita and goku fusing saying that they need to because buu is stronger than ever and vegeta ended up crushing the rings.

Then the ki's say "how do you plan on beating him, he's stronger than ever", which basically means he was stronger than any other buu.


actually Ki offered his rings. and oku said no because they woulndt need it. Now think about it if kid buu was stonger than gohanbuu dont you think they would have needed fusion fighting him seeing as how they needed fusion against gohan buu. USE LOGIC MAN.

Originally posted by yungz22
actually Ki offered his rings. and oku said no because they woulndt need it. Now think about it if kid buu was stonger than gohanbuu dont you think they would have needed fusion fighting him seeing as how they needed fusion against gohan buu. USE LOGIC MAN.

That entire arc wasnt about LOGIC, it was about goku not wanting to fight due to him wanting to have someone to take his place when earth needed a hero.

Goku held back during the entire buu story line. He could have killed fat buu but he didnt because there were new heros taking his place. He could have killed super buu but he didnt bc gohun was preparing himself for that buu.

Goku didnt kill kid buu in the beginning bc he wanted vegeta to get a chance to fight. Goku did his usual, held back. Goku was the strongest during the series along with kid buu being the strongest buu. Hell, didnt two regular super saiyans give gohun buu a challenge. Super saiyan 3 goku would shit stomp on two super sayains.

Originally posted by carver9
That entire arc wasnt about LOGIC, it was about goku not wanting to fight due to him wanting to have someone to take his place when earth needed a hero.

Goku held back during the entire buu story line. He could have killed fat buu but he didnt because there were new heros taking his place. He could have killed super buu but he didnt bc gohun was preparing himself for that buu.

Goku didnt kill kid buu in the beginning bc he wanted vegeta to get a chance to fight. Goku did his usual, held back. Goku was the strongest during the series along with kid buu being the strongest buu. Hell, didnt two regular super saiyans give gohun buu a challenge. Super saiyan 3 goku would shit stomp on two super sayains. Could have killed Fat Buu yes, he admitted this. But wrong on all other accounts.

Originally posted by carver9
That entire arc wasnt about LOGIC, it was about goku not wanting to fight due to him wanting to have someone to take his place when earth needed a hero.

Goku held back during the entire buu story line. He could have killed fat buu but he didnt because there were new heros taking his place. He could have killed super buu but he didnt bc gohun was preparing himself for that buu.

Goku didnt kill kid buu in the beginning bc he wanted vegeta to get a chance to fight. Goku did his usual, held back. Goku was the strongest during the series along with kid buu being the strongest buu. Hell, didnt two regular super saiyans give gohun buu a challenge. Super saiyan 3 goku would shit stomp on two super sayains.


actually your wrong 2 regular saiyans ran away from gohan buu

all you just said has nothing to do with the fact that goku said we need to fuse in order to beat gohan buu.

In fact goku wasnt sure he could beat kid buu which is why when vegeta mentioned the dragonballs goku thought he was going to say wish gohan back to life because he knew gohan could beat buu

Also when Buu absord gotenks he stated " This is the birth of the strongest possible Majin. Icant get any stronger than this."
Buu was also aware of his past original self.

After that he absorbs gohan making him even stronger. This proves that gohan buu was the strongest BUU

Even if Goku heals 100% after er match, he aint beatin' Gohan.

Using DBZ logic, he's not beating Gotenks (PL is to high, I doubt Goku would cause him to even flinch with any of his attacks) so he stops at 6 IF he can get by fat Buu (even though he did state that he could have beaten fat Buu, he did have a bit of doubt and they seemed evenly matched).

Originally posted by NemeBro
Dude yea, totally.

Cell was the single best villain DBZ had.

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Why?

Cell ddn't really have a goal of his own, he just basically built to destroy everything.

I thought Cell's goal was to terrify everyone with his power

I thought it was just to prove his own strength? To be "perfect."

Perfect in destroying everything.

I thought Cell's goal was to destroy the universe. He said it like 100 times in the anime.

Still better than the goal Gero originally had for him and all the other Androids (to kill Goku), which Cell accomplished anyway when he made his body blow up. I agree that Cell was the best villain DBZ ever had, but that's just a matter of personal preference I guess.

That said, it would've been better IMO if the series had ended after the Cell Games, with Goku wanting to stay dead (yeah, I know it was originally intended to end after the Frieza saga), since the Buu saga was utter crap for the most part (though not nearly as much as GT).

Cell was pretty bad imo. He had no motivation besides "I want to destroy stuff". Which is pretty much what buu is as well, but less coherent. Frieza was OK, I could at least understand his motive even though it was generic. Radditz had probably the most plausible motivation, since it came down to "trying to make his job easier."

Freeza was the single best villain for one reason, in terms of true villainy Toriyama never topped him in DB or Z.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Cell was pretty bad imo. He had no motivation besides "I want to destroy stuff". Which is pretty much what buu is as well, but less coherent. Frieza was OK, I could at least understand his motive even though it was generic. Radditz had probably the most plausible motivation, since it came down to "trying to make his job easier."

Cell's motive did nothing to detract from his actual character, which was not only an independant, but he even pulled off the savvy sense better than Frieza ever did. A simplistic motive was, if anything, something that was lacking after repeating the whole immortality wankery for the past three arcs.

Frieza was f*cking worthless before the idea of continuing the series was conceived. As far as outright villainy is concerned, he was paint-by-numbers with generic motives, lack of any decent backstory, and his only real saving grace came from being the first character to actually blow up a planet, something Buu did repeatedley upon returning to normal

Oh, and the whole "looked like a woman" jazz too.

Plus you forgot to mention how his cruelty has been completely unmatched in the series.

Oh, and how the only person who took a genuine pleasure in torturing his foes more than him was probably Buu.

Oh, and how he lacks any redeeming quality, he is sadistic, sociopathic, and a coward.

You say Freeza is generic...Yet your favorite villain is Cell? Who just wanted to show off how strong he was?

Freeza's goal for immortality was simplistic, but really, what else is there for him? He had already controlled a large portion of the universe, why not desire immortality to rule it forever?

Not one DBZ character matches Freeza in sheer villainy.

To be fair, Cell has some of Frieza's cells (and that of his father's), giving him basically the same cruelty aspects and genuine pleasure as Frieza in torturing his foes, which was especially evident when he pushed Gohan beyond his limits by sending out Cell Juniors to torture/kill the Z fighters, snatching the Senzu Beans before he did so, and stomping on poor # 16's head when that was all that was left of him.
Not to mention, getting absorbed by Cell with your skin/body being sucked right out of your clothes (and into his tail) can be seen as the most cruel kind of death shown in the series. Sure, Buu absorbed people too, but did so in a more childish way by making them chocolate or candy.

Originally posted by NemeBro
Plus you forgot to mention how his cruelty has been completely unmatched in the series.

Oh, and how the only person who took a genuine pleasure in torturing his foes more than him was probably Buu.

Oh, and how he lacks any redeeming quality, he is sadistic, sociopathic, and a coward.

You say Freeza is generic...Yet your favorite villain is Cell? Who just wanted to show off how strong he was?

Freeza's goal for immortality was simplistic, but really, what else is there for him? He had already controlled a large portion of the universe, why not desire immortality to rule it forever?

Not one DBZ character matches Freeza in sheer villainy.

gero

Originally posted by Ridley_Prime
To be fair, Cell has some of Frieza's cells (and that of his father's), giving him basically the same cruelty aspects and genuine pleasure as Frieza in torturing his foes, which was especially evident when he pushed Gohan beyond his limits by sending out Cell Juniors to torture/kill the Z fighters, snatching the Senzu Beans before he did so, and stomping on poor # 16's head when that was all that was left of him.
Not to mention, getting absorbed by Cell with your skin/body being sucked right out of your clothes (and into his tail) can be seen as the most cruel kind of death shown in the series. Sure, Buu absorbed people too, but did so in a more childish way by making them chocolate or candy. Having his cells means nothing, does he also possess Goku's naive kindness?

He did not derive any particular pleasure for torture, he was just trying to get Gohan to go all out. Did he feel any remorse for doing what he did to the Z fighters and 16? No, but he did not do so for the sake of doing so.

That is how he builds power...Freeza toyed with Nail with a sociopathic glee until he finally grew bored.