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I mean, it's like this:

Anakin: Obi Wan I'm not leaving without you you're my BFF! No! I shouldn't kill Dooku he's unarmed!

Anakin: Padme, I love you and we can raise the baby without deceptions or anything I'm tired of it.

Palpatine: Jedi are just like sith.

Anakin: Palpatine, that's not true! Jedi are protectors of the peace! Sith are evil!

Palpatine: this sith dude could prevent others from dying!

Anakin: really...

Palpatine: I'm a sith lord! Join me and you'll save Padme!

Anakin: Gasp! You're evil! I wanna kill you! I'll report you to the council immediately!

Anakin: Don't kill Sidious! I need him! *cuts off Mace's hand*

Anakin: OK I'll be evil now

Sidious: Good. Now you're Vader. Go slaughter younglings.

Vader: Of course. *ruthlessly slaughters jedi*

Vader: I hate you Obi Wan even though I saved your life many times and you were the closest thing that I ever had to a father and I risked my life to save you only a few days ago!



Get it? He's good, and then turns evil FAR too quickly and without much reason. Anakin should be smarter than to listen to a sith.

Anakin was emo, nuff said.

it was a process... you did watch episode II, right? although the process is kinda obscure. >>. and well... what do you expect with only 3 movies?

weirdly, though - there seemed to be no dark-side-y tendencies in clone wars (new one) for anakin... mhmm

The "process" was very badly done.

Originally posted by queeq
The "process" was very badly done.

agreed. >>.

That's the stellar writing abilities of an aging billionaire.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
That's the stellar writing abilities of an aging billionaire.

he's getting rusty.

It needs a remake. The OT is *almost* perfect as it is. well, for me its perfect already, anyway..

Yeah, the prequels screwed the pooch on more than a few points. Anakins descent to the dark side being one of them. Funny Star Wars PSA here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3tpW_I8-jt8

I have seen more dramatic and believable character twists in a 90 minute movie than in almost seven hours of PT Star Wars.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I mean, it's like this:

Anakin: Obi Wan I'm not leaving without you you're my BFF! No! I shouldn't kill Dooku he's unarmed!

Anakin: Padme, I love you and we can raise the baby without deceptions or anything I'm tired of it.

Palpatine: Jedi are just like sith.

Anakin: Palpatine, that's not true! Jedi are protectors of the peace! Sith are evil!

Palpatine: this sith dude could prevent others from dying!

Anakin: really...

Palpatine: I'm a sith lord! Join me and you'll save Padme!

Anakin: Gasp! You're evil! I wanna kill you! I'll report you to the council immediately!

Anakin: Don't kill Sidious! I need him! *cuts off Mace's hand*

Anakin: OK I'll be evil now

Sidious: Good. Now you're Vader. Go slaughter younglings.

Vader: Of course. *ruthlessly slaughters jedi*

Vader: I hate you Obi Wan even though I saved your life many times and you were the closest thing that I ever had to a father and I risked my life to save you only a few days ago!



Get it? He's good, and then turns evil FAR too quickly and without much reason. Anakin should be smarter than to listen to a sith.

I think its very clear in the movies, that he only did it to save Padme, of course he doesn't believe Sidious, he only does those stuff because he thinks he needs Sidious.
The scene on Mustafar, when he kills the Separatist council and then watches the lava and a single tear comes from his eye, you can see, that he knows what he has become, what he has done, but he was willing to pay any price to save Padme.

Originally posted by queeq
I have seen more dramatic and believable character twists in a 90 minute movie than in almost seven hours of PT Star Wars.

Why always so hateful towards the PT?

Surely there must be something positive you must say about it?

I can think of ten:

1. Liam Neeson

2. Ewan McGregor

3. Awesome lightsaber duels

4. Awesome ground and space battles

5. Decent to amazing CGI

6. Fantastic music

7. Maintaining a used universe feel in addition to a more pristine age.

8. Jango Fett

9. Darth Maul

10. YOUR TURN!

I really like Star Wars, and I find all of the films to be really enjoyable. This is just asking why Anakin is good and then turns bad within the next few minutes.

I love it to death.

Originally posted by queeq
I have seen more dramatic and believable character twists in a 90 minute movie than in almost seven hours of PT Star Wars.

Not to be rude or anything, but why are you the mod for a set of movies that you don't seem to like?

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Not to be rude or anything, but why are you the mod for a set of movies that you don't seem to like?

oh, he likes it.

sometimes it just doesn't seem that way.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
This is just asking why Anakin is good and then turns bad within the next few minutes.

I think after cutting off Mace Windu's arm and basically causing him to plummet to his death sealed the deal on him not wanting to be associated with the Jedi. That, and he felt Palpatine had the key to save Padme's life.

Don't forget he considered Palpatine as a mentor and a close friend. Just like Obi-Wan, he was the closest thing to a father Anakin had.

Originally posted by queeq
The "process" was very badly done.

In the movie yes, in the book NO it was done very, very well.

Too bad they didnt do it that way in the movie.

And dont pay any attention to Queeq, he's just cranky cause he misses me. flirt

True!

So because I like SW I cannot be disappointed about extremely bad elements. There are quite a number of good things about the PT, but the thing that I can't seem to get over is that Lucas had no limitations at all making the PT. And yet, he fails to make it a very good trilogy. The PT is all about Anakin's fall... he spends about seven hours telling that story... he makes one completely obsolete film (AOTC) and rushes the turn to the Dark Side in such a way that it loses all credibility. And this from the filmmaker that always used to say the effects were just tools in telling a story. And when he has unlimited power to make the PT, he fails at telling the story properly and submerges in a load of special effects. That's irony and a painful irony for a fan like me.

Agreed. yes

Originally posted by Jaeh.is.Awesome
he's getting rusty.

It needs a remake. The OT is *almost* perfect as it is. well, for me its perfect already, anyway..

Yea, lets not go around giving George the idea to change more stuff in the OT up... I would say give the PT a remake, but he'd probably make it worse... Like an entire scene where Anakin and Jar Jar are talking philosophy...

Originally posted by Count Makashi
I think its very clear in the movies, that he only did it to save Padme, of course he doesn't believe Sidious, he only does those stuff because he thinks he needs Sidious.
The scene on Mustafar, when he kills the Separatist council and then watches the lava and a single tear comes from his eye, you can see, that he knows what he has become, what he has done, but he was willing to pay any price to save Padme.

Sooo... when Padme' dies, he decided to stay evil because... ?

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
Yea, lets not go around giving George the idea to change more stuff in the OT up... I would say give the PT a remake, but he'd probably make it worse... Like an entire scene where Anakin and Jar Jar are talking philosophy...



Sooo... when Padme' dies, he decided to stay evil because... ?

scary...

...maybe he thought that there's nothing left for him anyway and he already messed everything up so he thought "well screw this" and finalized the deal with the dark side?

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
Yea, lets not go around giving George the idea to change more stuff in the OT up... I would say give the PT a remake, but he'd probably make it worse... Like an entire scene where Anakin and Jar Jar are talking philosophy...



Now that I'd pay to see. I bet it's a lot funnier than the poop jokes.
Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
Sooo... when Padme' dies, he decided to stay evil because... ?

Excellent point.

Originally posted by queeq
Now that I'd pay to see. I bet it's a lot funnier than the poop jokes.

Very true. But it'd probably come out something like:

Anakin: Jar Jar, what do you think about the ramifications the Jedi have on the common population, seeing as they are technically nothing more than a group of Vigilante Space Wizards? (Yes, I just pulled that out of my butt.)
Jar Jar: Mie dunno, Annie. (Jar Jar trips over a nearby blaster, causing it to fire into a nearby fuel cell, causing a chain-reacton explosion that blows out the entire wall, alerting the separatist forces. Anakin Joins battle reluctantly due to his newly confounded beliefs and Jar Jar runs around like an idiot, accidentally destroying the entire separatist force that was attacking them.)
Anakin: What have I done? (Falls to his knees and begins sobbing.)

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
Very true. But it'd probably come out something like:

Anakin: Jar Jar, what do you think about the ramifications the Jedi have on the common population, seeing as they are technically nothing more than a group of Vigilante Space Wizards? (Yes, I just pulled that out of my butt.)
Jar Jar: Mie dunno, Annie. (Jar Jar trips over a nearby blaster, causing it to fire into a nearby fuel cell, causing a chain-reacton explosion that blows out the entire wall, alerting the separatist forces. Anakin Joins battle reluctantly due to his newly confounded beliefs and Jar Jar runs around like an idiot, accidentally destroying the entire separatist force that was attacking them.)
Anakin: What have I done? (Falls to his knees and begins sobbing.)

shock

We're all doomed. DOOMED. Jar Jar saves the day. what is the world coming to...

Jar Jar... George Lucas.... there are some interesting correlations.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I really like Star Wars, and I find all of the films to be really enjoyable. This is just asking why Anakin is good and then turns bad within the next few minutes.

That is an exaggeration. The roots of Anakin's eventual fall to the Dark side started right from when he was accepted to the Jedi Order, despite Yoda's fears about training him at his age, and the attachment he still felt to his mother.
Expanded universe material like 'Rogue Planet' by Greg Bear put down more root causes for his actions. But by the time Episode II came along, we see he's gotten arrogant in his prowess, and the council has gotten interested in indulging him because of his great talent. Only Obi Wan is concerned, because he's with him all the time.
Palpatine subtly arranges for Anakin to spend time with Padme as official business, starting the wheels of his plan in motion. The seeds of their eventual - and forbidden - secret marriage are planted.
Anakin comes to his mother's rescue too late, and kills the Tuskens in a rage that shocks and shames him later. It shows his self control is frayed when it comes to those close to him.
The rematch with Dooku in Episode III, he executes him in cold blood at Palpatine's request. Anakin is suddenly ashamed at this, but Palpatine confuses his thoughts on it, saying it was necessary and not the first time Anakin has killed for justifiable revenge (his mother.)
Knowing Anakin is having nightmares of Padme's death in childbirth, Palpatine starts dropping hints of secret Sith knowledge for preserving life, while beginning to disparage the reputation of the Jedi. He confuses Anakin's thinking of what should motivate him - "The Jedi are selfless. They think only of others" states Anakin. Later he will be twisting that into thinking by saving Padme he IS being selfless. And by saving Palpatine from being 'killed' by Mace Windu, that he is following a moral code he thinks the Jedi are not following, believing they are taking over the Republic illegally.
It's once he chops off Mace Windu's hand, that there is no going back for Anakin. He is fully in Palpatine's thrall.
So no, it's not just suddenly. It's something that has been worked on since Episode I, when Palpatine greeted the the young Anakin and declared "We will watch your career with great interest."

After Anakin chops Mace's arm off (which was done because he thought he needed him, that and that "it's not the jedi way" to kill an unarmed prisoner) it pretty much was no turning back after that because, well, you think about it! You just helped a sith lord kill one of the jedi council! The jedi won't be very impressed! Straight after that, Palpatine goes "execute order 66" and turns every single clone trooper into stormtroopers, pretty much sealing the deal, THEN Anakin has a lightsaber fight to the death with his own mentor, the closest thing he ever had to a father who leaves him to die on the side of a river of lava! To top it all off, his one true love dies! I think thats enough to turn Ned Flanders evil!

Nuff said.

Originally posted by Mandrag Ganon
Sooo... when Padme' dies, he decided to stay evil because... ?

Because there was nothing left for him but Sidious.

Originally posted by Hybris
Because there was nothing left for him but Sidious.

Palpatine exploited his long-unfulfilled need for a father figure.
If Qui-Gon had lived, maybe he could have done it, and trained Anakin in a different way that would have kept him on the light side. But Qui-Gon was a maverick with different ideas than the council. Because Obi Wan wasn't willing to play father, just teacher (and a rather unyielding one) Palpatine saw his opportunity to get into Anakin's head years in advance.

Lucas is a big kid at heart, that's all. I've said a million times on here. The Star Wars generation changed with the release of the PT. It was the parents who passed SW on to their kids, and the kids are the ones who idolized all the SW merchandise and toy lightsabers. Yes the adults still cherished the older movies, but in 1999, that generation of parents were kids when the OT came out, and the PT was for a new generation of kids. I think that's why we get a lot of childish elements from these movies. Lucas did the best he could, his devotion and love for his creation means he would not try to intentional mess it up, just as parents would not intentionally try to raise their kids up the wrong way.

That's not to say GL didn't have to make a movie that was kiddy. They were kiddy but I do believe they appealed to adults as well.

He should have followed obi wan's orders and seek help . I saw this in the cinema everthing does happen too fast