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physical combat only. Kain gets his reaver

The Kain at the end of Defiance pwns this fool for taking him on. At least that is my opinion as I don't know much about AW.

Kain sucks Wesker's blood and obtains his powers of speed and awesome H2H skills since the virus that gives Albert his powers flows through the blood.

Heh. From the basic info that I read, this is a spite thread if he's up against Defiance Kain.

Kain loses a physical combat fight. He would win if he had his powers.

Wesker may has super speed but Kain has TK which can be used to slow Wesker down.

Since this is Physical combat only (look at the opening post). Wesker owns

Physical only?

Kain is not touching Wesker.

To make this atleast debatable. Make it so can can use any shown ability.

But cannot;

- Use TK

- Gain weskers powers by any means.


atleast that's what i think.

Wesker isn't gonna do much to Kain is he?

Originally posted by iChaos
Wesker isn't gonna do much to Kain is he?

Physically beat him down. Kain's only chance is with powers.

Can wesker fly or teleport?

He's fast enough that he might as well be teleporting.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Can wesker fly or teleport?

Since this is physical combat he wouldn't have to even if he could, since Kain won't be doing it.

Wesker breaks Kain.

physical combat does not mean non physical abilities are excluded, if he meant that then he should be more clear.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
physical combat only. Kain gets his reaver

It is clear

and teleportation is not always a form of combat

Furthermore, Superlugi do you exclude all the magical powers of the reaver?

But in a versus thread it would be used for combat -.-'


But seriously, normally when someone says "Physical combat only" it tends to be that's exactly what they mean.

Because if they meant for anything that isn't stictly physical combat to be used they usually would specify it. So i'm inclined to think he doesn't get the magical power of the reaver since they would not fall under the catagory of; physical combat only

Originally posted by Burning thought
and teleportation is not always a form of combat

Furthermore, Superlugi do you exclude all the magical powers of the reaver?

Teleporting is not a physical attribute.

You cannot assume that, he said physical combat only, Teleportation is not a basic combat skill even if Kain can use it as such and technically the combat part of teleportation is physical. Kain can mist as well.

So its apparently powerless reaver, and Kain cannot use any powers that are non physical in combat, I guess that includes spells, but it does not include teleportation or mist. Possibly transforming into a bat, tk, blood drinking, mind controlling are all game.

So Kain just mists/teleports to make distance between him and wesker and then drains him of blood.

Physical combat only often means only physical combat. I could of course be wrong. Although I'm quite certain he did not want to include non-physical abilities, we'll leave that for him to clarify.

Without Kain's powers, Wesker wins. Otherwise Kain.

In lamens terms for you BT.

Physical combat means, and ONLY MEANS, the application of only using fists and kicks to engage an opponent in a fight, no lazer beams or soul steal, just punches and kicks.

In layman words: A physical brawl with fist, feet, body and possibly melee weapons. Only natural attributes to contribute, such as base speed, base durability, base strength and other base values.

Anything that require activation of one sort or the other (Teleportation, flight through mystical means, invisibility or mind control for example would not be usable)

Originally posted by Burning thought
You cannot assume that, he said physical combat only, Teleportation is not a basic combat skill even if Kain can use it as such and technically the combat part of teleportation is physical. Kain can mist as well.

So its apparently powerless reaver, and Kain cannot use any powers that are non physical in combat, I guess that includes spells, but it does not include teleportation or mist. Possibly transforming into a bat, tk, blood drinking, mind controlling are all game.

So Kain just mists/teleports to make distance between him and wesker and then drains him of blood.

So we can't assume that "physical combat only" doesn't disclude powers that could possibly be used out of 'combat'.

But it's fine for you to assume they can be used when there has been nothing specified......and in the OP it clearly states "Physical combat only"

Just like before huh.

Originally posted by Rapidash
Physical combat only often means only physical combat. I could of course be wrong. Although I'm quite certain he did not want to include non-physical abilities, we'll leave that for him to clarify.

Without Kain's powers, Wesker wins. Otherwise Kain.

Obviously, thats quite clear in the OP, whats not clear is non physical non combat skills.

I dont know, whats Wesker done?

If kain is allowed no abilities at all regardless of whether their used for combat but what hes done physically then he prob will lose if this guy has strength and speed on his side, ofc hes going to win against Kain without abilities.

Originally posted by EvilAngel
So we can't assume that "physical combat only" doesn't disclude powers that could possibly be used out of 'combat'.

But it's fine for you to assume they can be used when there has been nothing specified......and in the OP it clearly states "Physical combat only"

Just like before huh.

If its not specified then its usable. Simple as....

he only specified combat abilities that are non physical are not allowed. Teleportation is fair game, mind powers etc etc

Kain should be able to do this easily with just those two.

So the whole physcial combat only means nothing to you. Go figure.

Originally posted by Burning thought
hes going to win against Kain without abilities.

Since that's what this thread is about:

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Originally posted by EvilAngel
So the whole physcial combat only means nothing to you. Go figure.

Oh no, the "physical combat only" fine....Kain wont be useing combat abilities that are non physical.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Oh no, the "physical combat only" fine....Kain wont be useing combat abilities that are non physical.

You still not getting it?

Kain won't be using any abilities. That is the condition of the thread.

If thats so then thats a poor use of words in the OP, it should simply say "no abilities" or something, when you claim only "physical combat" its not clear.

I am not aware of anyone else suffering from misunderstanding the OP.

Since to myself it seems obvious what it means i cannot relate.

hm, I approached it with a sophisticated mentality and maybe overcomplicated it.

Yeah, something like that.

Originally posted by Burning thought
You cannot assume that, he said physical combat only, Teleportation is not a basic combat skill even if Kain can use it as such and technically the combat part of teleportation is physical. Kain can mist as well.

So its apparently powerless reaver, and Kain cannot use any powers that are non physical in combat, I guess that includes spells, but it does not include teleportation or mist. Possibly transforming into a bat, tk, blood drinking, mind controlling are all game.

So Kain just mists/teleports to make distance between him and wesker and then drains him of blood.

Oh lawd sleepy

Since this is Physical only then Wesker should win this one since Kain was never that great in meele combat IMO.

"shrug" hes fought in close combat for thousands of years in many forms, as a young vampire all the way up to his ancient form. His weapon is typically a sword so I highly doubt hes useless with it having been the forefront general in combat, especially in BO2 in his war across the land against the Sarafan. Whether this would help him against Wesker I dont know, if Wesker is a speed/melee powerhouse with high strength and Kain has none of his bonuses then its likely he will indeed lose.

Wesker's base values are a lot more potent than those of Kain. Physically, Kain is chanceless, although with powers it's a stomp in Kain's favor.

Probably

as a vampire alone kain already has superhuman speed and strength. on top of that doesnt he now have dumah's strength?

remember wesker's movements were viewed through a normal humans eyes. vampires should have better vision so he wouldnt be "teleporting" in the eyes of kain.

if kain is able to land a hit with the reaver it would probably be over. draining wesker would probably end up hurting kain. and wesker hitting kain would be a k.o.

my opinion 6/10 for wesker, and thats heavily based on which strength kain has.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
as a vampire alone kain already has superhuman speed and strength. on top of that doesnt he now have dumah's strength?

remember wesker's movements were viewed through a normal humans eyes. vampires should have better vision so he wouldnt be "teleporting" in the eyes of kain.

if kain is able to land a hit with the reaver it would probably be over. draining wesker would probably end up hurting kain. and wesker hitting kain would be a k.o.

my opinion 6/10 for wesker, and thats heavily based on which strength kain has.

Wesker's movement weren't viewed by human eyes. He was at one place, then another. His strength feats as well as durability feats are higher than those of Kain. He is faster and perceive things faster. He has higher reaction time as well as speed and he's more agile as well.

On every physical level, Wesker is significantly better. Kain needs his powers to stand a chance.

Originally posted by Rapidash
In layman words: A physical brawl with fist, feet, body and possibly melee weapons. Only natural attributes to contribute, such as base speed, base durability, base strength and other base values.

Anything that require activation of one sort or the other (Teleportation, flight through mystical means, invisibility or mind control for example would not be usable)

Oh you out did me there.
I still say terms instead of words though. uhuh

He logically has all the strength of Dumah, Raziel combined but theres no solid feats to gauge this.

All good points but hard to gauge isnt it really..., the eyesight of Kain.

Originally posted by Rapidash
Wesker's movement weren't viewed by human eyes. He was at one place, then another. His strength feats as well as durability feats are higher than those of Kain. He is faster and perceive things faster. He has higher reaction time as well as speed and he's more agile as well.

On every physical level, Wesker is significantly better. Kain needs his powers to stand a chance.

who else viewed them? not anyone above superhuman levels. base vampires are above superhuman levels in every thing. and kain is far from a base vampire now. a gave wesker the victory because of his reaction time and durability. strength wise kain has the edge. vampires only get stronger with age in all physical areas. in fact if kain gets the timing down, which i have no doubt he will. he should pull this out with ease. the only problem is kain's durability.

Originally posted by SuperLuigi
who else viewed them? not anyone above superhuman levels. base vampires are above superhuman levels in every thing. and kain is far from a base vampire now. a gave wesker the victory because of his reaction time and durability. strength wise kain has the edge. vampires only get stronger with age in all physical areas. in fact if kain gets the timing down, which i have no doubt he will. he should pull this out with ease. the only problem is kain's durability.

How faulty.

Originally posted by Rapidash
How faulty.

excellent rebuttal. i accept your defeat.

5/10 draw

Sure, let's call it rebuttal.

Wesker was shown to be so fast he appeared to be teleporting while dodging bullets and stuff.

Can you prove Wesker was seen by Chris and Sheva while moving in such a way?

Definatley dodging bullets? not the aim of those fireing the guns?

Yes, the bullets.

Not that it matters.

Wesker only whips out the Matrix moves when fired upon, not simply aimed at.