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bill hunting galactus runs into captain atom in space and confuses him for yet another herald of galactus and proceeds to attack him. atom is definitely ready to defend himself.

who wins?

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vs

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BILL

At his best, Atom wins.

Atom

Atom cause Bill is ugly.

Bill because Atom is terrible.

Didn't Atom get his ass handed to him by Mary Marvel?

yes, but he has more experience and better feats since then. His potential is near limitless as we've seen him create a pocket universe.

yeah I've seen the universe thing although he have never displayed that much power in a fight

Bill

BRB but after a good fight!

Originally posted by Warlord
yeah I've seen the universe thing although he have never displayed that much power in a fight

Yeah, but Captain has shown he can manipulate energy better than Bill, plus he's immune to magic now.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Yeah, but Captain has shown he can manipulate energy better than Bill, plus he's immune to magic now. Oh really. I did not know that about the magic part. And are BRB & Thor powerful enough to create a pocket universe?

still he isn't immune to hammer to face...
Bill wins this

Cap is also fast as well, so he could dodge bill.

Originally posted by BattleMage
Oh really. I did not know that about the magic part. And are BRB & Thor powerful enough to create a pocket universe?

It's something of a new thing for Atom.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Cap is also fast as well, so he could dodge bill.

i wouldn't rank him as faster. at least not faster enough to get the win because of it.

IMO Atom can absorb Bill's energies whileBill can do the same with Atom's which will lead them to H2H fight where Bill has an advantage IMO.

Bill wins this 6,5/10

Can brb and thor create a pocket universe?

Atom cannot also...I think this story was something with him exploiting his full potential. these are not his regular power levels.
It's like saying Gambit can go New Sun whenever he wants

Originally posted by Warlord
i wouldn't rank him as faster. at least not faster enough to get the win because of it.

IMO Atom can absorb Bill's energies whileBill can do the same with Atom's which will lead them to H2H fight where Bill has an advantage IMO.

Bill wins this 6,5/10

I think it would. Remember, Cap has come a long way. He has notable wins over Hal Jordan, Firestorm, Mr. Majestic, has taken blasts from Void (Wildstorm's Void), can absorb Bills blasts and increase his own power through that, and casually turned off The Ray's power source with a snap.

Here are the pics.

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http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captainatom54195mk.jpg

http://i95.photobucket.com/albums/l130/Red_Atom/Captain%20Atom/Cap%20scans/captainatom54207wq.jpg

Destorys it.

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Capt Spaulding for the pics.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think it would. Remember, Cap has come a long way. He has notable wins over Hal Jordan, Firestorm, Mr. Majestic, has taken blasts from Void (Wildstorm's Void), can absorb Bills blasts and increase his own power through that, and casually turned off The Ray's power source with a snap.

yes but bill's energies are magical and I've never seen him being empoered by magic.
plus bill doesn't have a powersource to be cut from.
atom is great against energy based beings but bill is much more than that.

as for the speed bill has shown to react and fight at ftl speeds and atom is no flash for that matter.

to sum it up, they will end fighting h2h where bill has the advantage IMO

Originally posted by Warlord
yes but bill's energies are magical and I've never seen him being empoered by magic.
plus bill doesn't have a powersource to be cut from.
atom is great against energy based beings but bill is much more than that.

as for the speed bill has shown to react and fight at ftl speeds and atom is no flash for that matter.

to sum it up, they will end fighting h2h where bill has the advantage IMO

Or Cap using his quantum energy to blast him like Surfer. His energy source is unlimited.

Actually, if you count NEKRON as magical, he has a magical realm, Captain Atom DID absorb his energy. Nekron > BRB.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Or Cap using his quantum energy to blast him like Surfer. His energy source is unlimited.

in that fight Surfer's blasts were easily absorbed by stormbreaker.
Surfer had to surprise him with his board. I don't think it would be easy for Atom to win with this tactic

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Actually, if you count NEKRON as magical, he has a magical realm, Captain Atom DID absorb his energy. Nekron > BRB.

is he mystical though?
he seems more "cosmic" to me

It wouldn't be easy, but it's possible, seeing as Cap has unlimited energy at his disposal. I doubt Bill can absorb it all.

Originally posted by Warlord
is he mystical though?
he seems more "cosmic" to me

More than likely. His realm lies around Hell, which is a magical realm in the DCU.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
It wouldn't be easy, but it's possible, seeing as Cap has unlimited energy at his disposal. I doubt Bill can absorb it all.

why not?
the hammers don't seem to have a cap when absorbing.
plus "unlimited" energy is a hyperbole. even beings like Galactus don't have unlimited energy

Originally posted by Prep-Man
More than likely. His realm lies around Hell, which is a magical realm in the DCU.

OK then I guess he could absorb Bill's magic blasts.
It would only lead to Bill stop firing...

Originally posted by Warlord
why not?
the hammers don't seem to have a cap when absorbing.
plus "unlimited" energy is a hyperbole. even beings like Galactus don't have unlimited energy

So you think Bill can absorb Galactus and such? Galactus hasn't even shown the ability to create a universe as easy as Captain Atom.

Originally posted by Warlord
OK then I guess he could absorb Bill's magic blasts.
It would only lead to Bill stop firing...

Well, Cap absorbed Nekron's own personal energy, which made it possible for him to defeat him PHYSICALLY. Same could be said about Bill himself.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
So you think Bill can absorb Galactus and such? Galactus hasn't even shown the ability to create a universe as easy as Captain Atom.

I could see bill absorbing some of Galactus's attacks.
Again the universe creation feat was a hypothetical scenario of Atom utilizing his full potential IIRC.
Unless you suggest regular Atom is close to Galactus or anything

sigh... facepalm

no but he has shown the ability to consume a pocket dimension not that it matters..

certain powerset and abilities are not looked at as the norm for fights unless it is done consistently without any outside help or circumstance.

might as well start saying every hero villain whose powerset can allow them to create a universe or sun is automatically a winner in forum fights while ignoring the circumstance of their actions and time table.

Originally posted by Warlord
I could see bill absorbing some of Galactus's attacks.
Again the universe creation feat was a hypothetical scenario of Atom utilizing his full potential IIRC.
Unless you suggest regular Atom is close to Galactus or anything

But he did create one, which is one up on big old G.

Originally posted by Warlord
I could see bill absorbing some of Galactus's attacks.
Again the universe creation feat was a hypothetical scenario of Atom utilizing his full potential IIRC.
Unless you suggest regular Atom is close to Galactus or anything so it never happen? is it like the hypothetical scenero of hal on hal he would take down the entire JLA single handedly?

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
sigh... facepalm

no but he has shown the ability to consume a pocket dimension not that it matters..

certain powerset and abilities are not looked at as the norm for fights unless it is done consistently without any outside help or circumstance.

might as well start saying every hero villain whose powerset can allow them to create a universe or sun is automatically a winner in forum fights well ignoring the circumstance of their actions and time table.

The only help was the teacher. Cap did all the work.

tell me how is that going to help Cap win a fight?

its like putting franklin richards against a guy with a gun... it dont matter about his potential and that he carries a ball with him a bullet will still kill him and he is just as frail as any other human.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
so it never happen? is it like the hypothetical scenero of hal on hal he would take down the entire JLA single handedly?

Hal did take down the league, pre-crisis.

Why he hasn't performed such a feat again if he is capable to do so then.
Let's not go that far and put Atom on an abstaract power level cause he's not

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
tell me how is that going to help Cap win a fight?

its like putting franklin richards against a guy with a gun... it dont matter about his potential and that he carries a ball with him a bullet will still kill him and he is just as frail as any other human.

I never said him creating a universe would make it an automatic win.

Originally posted by Warlord
Why he hasn't performed such a feat again if he is capable to do so then.
Let's not go that far and put Atom on an abstaract power level cause he's not

Him standing up to Monarch, Void, and Nekron make him high up there. He's not Galactus level in importance, but you don't have to be.

but he is in power?

Abstract level in power? Possibly. Not many top tier or HERALDS for that matter can casually create a pocket universe. Unless I'm forgetting someone.

He's basically the avatar of the quantum field, which is like Flash as the avatar of The Speed Force. Maybe a notch below abstract level.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
tell me how is that going to help Cap win a fight?

its like putting franklin richards against a guy with a gun... it dont matter about his potential and that he carries a ball with him a bullet will still kill him and he is just as frail as any other human.

True, but Cap Atom is already at near Superman levels physically in addition to his energy and matter manipulation, so the analogy, although informative, isn't necessarily accurate.

He actually went toe to toe with Superman and Majestic before.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
True, but Cap Atom is already at near Superman levels physically in addition to his energy and matter manipulation, so the analogy, although informative, isn't necessarily accurate. well the reference is that a bullet<storm breaker and although physically similar i think a hammer makes a difference.

ok end of debate...

You are sticking to an instance that took part once and it was decades ago, while he has constantly having trouble fighting high tiers like marry marvel major force etc...
If you think that guy is just below abstract then we shouldn't further debate since he is up to a character like Bill.

I just think you're overestimating him though

Originally posted by Warlord
ok end of debate...

You are sticking to an instance that took part once and it was decades ago, while he has constantly having trouble fighting high tiers like marry marvel major force etc...
If you think that guy is just below abstract then we shouldn't further debate since he is up to a character like Bill.

I just think you're overestimating him though

Low feats, which he has made up for in the past couple years, IMO. Now he's immune to magic, which will help a lot.

low feats?

his whole career with the JLA was going against high tiers at best.
How can all those fights be low feats?

A guy like the one you're describing should be able to one-shoot Superman or Majestic which was never the case through the years...

ah anyway we can just dissagree

Major Force isn't even a low feat. He did take on multiple JLA members and Cap has gone up against top tiers regularly. I've mentioned them before.

major force was always a jobber to me and low mid level meta.. i remember he was getting beat by a rookie kyle who only had the ring for a few weeks.

sure buddy but stalemating a top tier is hardly an abstract level power feat.
I never doubted CA is a top tier, I just doubt his "universe creating" powers

He wasn't always a jobber, no and in his recent showings, he did take on Cap and brought him in, IIRC.

Originally posted by Warlord
sure buddy but stalemating a top tier is hardly an abstract level power feat.
I never doubted CA is a top tier, I just doubt his "universe creating" powers

First of all, I'm not basing this fight off of Cap being abstract level. I was saying his POTENTIAL was. You brought up BRB simply absorbing Cap's powers, but the reason I brought up the universe bit, was because Cap had limitless energy at his disposal, which would make Bill fail at absorbing his energy.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
major force was always a jobber to me and low mid level meta.. i remember he was getting beat by a rookie kyle who only had the ring for a few weeks.

A rookie Hal, who had just received his ring survived a nuclear explosion at point blank range. GL rookies have had some impressive showing before.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
First of all, I'm not basing this fight off of Cap being abstract level. I was saying his POTENTIAL was. You brought up BRB simply absorbing Cap's powers, but the reason I brought up the universe bit, was because Cap had limitless energy at his disposal, which would make Bill fail at absorbing his energy.

just to clarify...I'm not saying Bill will DRAIN cap of his energy. I'm saying he can ABSORB anything cap throws at him.

You suggest Cap can overload stormbreaker couse Cap had once created a pocet universe while the hammers don't seem to have a limmit when absorbing energy. Plus Cap has never produced universe creating/destryoing level energy blasts in a fight and Thro's hammer was able to absorb the null bomb's (or whatever the name was) energies without overloading.

So again: Bill can absorb (not darin) Cap's blasts
Cap can do the same to Bill
The fight will go to h2h
Bill has an advantage there
Bill wins
All IMO of course

Originally posted by Lunacyde
A rookie Hal, who had just received his ring survived a nuclear explosion at point blank range. GL rookies have had some impressive showing before. green lantern stabbed him. damaging his containment suit.. he go boom.. seems major force has no business fighting any top tier heroes or villains.. same with bombshell..

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
green lantern stabbed him. damaging his containment suit.. he go boom.. seems major force has no business fighting any top tier heroes or villains.. same with bombshell..

I can mostly agree with that. I'm just saying losing to a rookie Kyle is THAT much of a low showing.

losing to any rookie is a no showing minus the old school comics with Hal..

Kyle was getting his @$$ handed to him by know lvl metas and barely surviving guys like sonar and whatnot.. his rogue gallery and villains started very low like the guy who had a robotic battle suit that shot electricity..

guys barely clearing the low meta power bracket

CA FTW

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
major force was always a jobber to me and low mid level meta.. i remember he was getting beat by a rookie kyle who only had the ring for a few weeks.

He's not a "low mid level meta" (whatever that really means). He's a high-level threat who also turns out to be a complete moron.

bill

Originally posted by Prep-Man
yes, but he has more experience and better feats since then. His potential is near limitless as we've seen him create a pocket universe.

It wasn't a "pocket" universe at all.

Bill

Originally posted by batdude123
It wasn't a "pocket" universe at all.

What was it, then?

C.A. will be in the fight but he's not beating Bill. BRB 7/10

Bill has FTL combat speed.

He wins.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
What was it, then?

a normal univrse which is even more contradictive to his usual showings

Originally posted by Warlord
a normal univrse which is even more contradictive to his usual showings

Never said he'd do something like that in a fight, though. I just thought you meant Bill would just absorb all his energy. But we cleared that up. I'd still back Captain Atom in a fight, especially in his latest bouts.

and I'll back Bill...sneer