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The school system to kick a studet out of the Locker room/ Class room for being homosexual ?

Because i believe it's agenst the rules.?

Well those are two different questions. It's certainly not "right" from my point of view, but I'm not sure what the position of the law is.

Originally posted by Cammii
The school system to kick a studet out of the Locker room/ Class room for being homosexual ?

Well being kicked out of the locker room for being homosexual makes perfect sense but being kicked out of the class for being one doesn't unless of course the class is in the locker room.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Well being kicked out of the locker room for being homosexual makes perfect sense but being kicked out of the class for being one doesn't unless of course the class is in the locker room.

And how would it make sense to kick someone out of the locker room for that reason?

Originally posted by Peach
And how would it make sense to kick someone out of the locker room for that reason?

A gay guy in a locker room full of dudes undressing. You tell me.

I fail to see how his sexuality would play into it at all.

Or are you of the (mistaken, as well as completely ridiculous) belief that if someone is homosexual they will automatically be checking out and attracted to every single person of their gender?

And even if they are, why is that a problem?

I don't believe that it is at all okay for a person to be removed for their sexuality from anything at all.

Originally posted by Peach
I fail to see how his sexuality would play into it at all.

Or are you of the (mistaken, as well as completely ridiculous) belief that if someone is homosexual they will automatically be checking out and attracted to every single person of their gender?

Hey that's one of the absolute facts about gay people and you can't deny it.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Hey that's one of the absolute facts about gay people and you can't deny it.

palm

No. It's actually not. Where on earth do you get this crap from?

Are you going to state next that straight people (of the same gender) never check each other out?

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Hey that's one of the absolute facts about gay people and you can't deny it.

Except that she can and just did.

I still fail to see how it is problematic for a gay person to be checking out other people in the locker room.

Originally posted by Peach
palm

No. It's actually not. Where on earth do you get this crap from?

Are you going to state next that straight people (of the same gender) never check each other out?

Women checking out men and men checking out women is normal but men checking out men is disturbing.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Women checking out men and men checking out women is normal but men checking out men is disturbing.

Except that it really isn't. Your homophobic attitude is pretty disturbing, though.

And you seem to have missed where I put of the same gender in there. Do you think that straight people, of the same gender, never check each other out?

Originally posted by REXXXX
Except that she can and just did.

I still fail to see how it is problematic for a gay person to be checking out other people in the locker room.

Are you saying that you like seeing men taking off their pants and other clothing?

Hell, I know I do. Have you seen Zachary Quinto lately? Hot damn.

And no, it really is not disturbing that gay men check out other men. I agree with Peach, your homophobia is more disturbing than that is.

Originally posted by Peach
Except that it really isn't. Your homophobic attitude is pretty disturbing, though.

And you seem to have missed where I put of the same gender in there. Do you think that straight people, of the same gender, never check each other out?

A straight person checking out the same gender is questionable if they're gay or not but they might actually be gay.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Are you saying that you like seeing men taking off their pants and other clothing?

Are you saying you don't?

But no, that is not at all what I said. Not even close. I was curious as to why it is a problem for that to happen.

Meanwhile, don't girls tell each other they look hot all the time? And don't most people judge each other according to looks in the first place?

Originally posted by REXXXX
Hell, I know I do. Have you seen Zachary Quinto lately? Hot damn.

So you admit you're gay?

Originally posted by Peach
I fail to see how his sexuality would play into it at all.


well to be fair why are there girls and boys locker rooms instead of just one co-ed locker room?

Originally posted by Nemesis X
A straight person checking out the same gender is questionable if they're gay or not but they might actually be gay.

Sigh.

One day you will leave your sheltered rock and learn that the real world does not actually follow your skewed (and highly incorrect) ideas about it.

Just because someone checks someone else out it doesn't mean they are attracted to them, just because someone is gay it doesn't mean they're going to be attracted to everyone of the same gender, and just because someone finds someone else of the same gender attractive it does not make them gay.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
well to be fair why are there girls and boys locker rooms instead of just one co-ed locker room?

Because people are prudes.

It's always been seen as inappropriate to have boys and girls together with that sort of thing. Hell, a lot of places won't even have coed gym classes.

Who actually even gets naked in the locker room anyway?

Originally posted by Nemesis X
So you admit you're gay?

No, I don't. But I can readily and comfortably say that other men are attractive without being gay. I am quite firmly attracted to women, unfortunately for you.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
well to be fair why are there girls and boys locker rooms instead of just one co-ed locker room?

This is the correct logic.



If it's wrong for boys and girls to be in the same locker room changing because of the "attraction" or other sexual things, then the same damn reason applies to the gay guy. He should have to change in the girls locker room.


If that's the case, then I'm gay and I am banning myself to always change in the girls locker rooms.

Originally posted by dadudemon
If that's the case, then I'm gay and I am banning myself to always change in the girls locker rooms.

Your wife should be ashamed of you

Originally posted by Peach
Because people are prudes.

It's always been seen as inappropriate to have boys and girls together with that sort of thing. Hell, a lot of places won't even have coed gym classes.



well theres my point. its considered "wrong" to have boys and girls in the same locker room because boys and girls are attracted to each other... so having a girl attracted to girls or vice versa means that itd be "wrong" to have them get dressed in front of each other least according to society.

shrug. people are people i guess. personally i wouldnt feel comfortable taking my clothes off with a bunch of guys oggiling at me.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Your wife should be ashamed of you

Yes, please do ignore my comments and questions aimed at you. I do so enjoy talking to a rock.

Originally posted by REXXXX
I am quite firmly attracted to women, unfortunately for you.

This sentence is fail since everyone in here knows I dislike gayness.

Originally posted by dadudemon
This is the correct logic.



If it's wrong for boys and girls to be in the same locker room changing because of the "attraction" or other sexual things, then the same damn reason applies to the gay guy. He should have to change in the girls locker room.

No, that logic doesn't work either. Girls can be just as attracted to a gay boy as to a straight boy.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
No, that logic doesn't work either. Girls can be just as attracted to a gay boy as to a straight boy.

AHHH! But, nothing will come of it, see? However, mixing up girls and boys...there WILL be something come of it. But mixing up gay boys with girls will learn them to be gay, won't it now? AHA! I've got you there!

*goes into the girls bathroom to change*

I don't think that's right, locker rooms should be seperated by sex, not sexual orientation.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
So you admit you're gay?

Hahaha, ignorant beliefs are funny.

Originally posted by dadudemon
AHHH! But, nothing will come of it, see? However, mixing up girls and boys...there WILL be something come of it. But mixing up gay boys with girls will learn them to be gay, won't it now? AHA! I've got you there!

*goes into the girls bathroom to change*

I see someone doesn't believe men can be raped by women.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
This sentence is fail since everyone in here knows I dislike gayness.

You don't just dislike gayness, you loathe it with an intensity that only the insecure masses could loathe it. Sheesh.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Your wife should be ashamed of you

Nah. She's loves it.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I see someone doesn't believe men can be raped by women.

Find 1 case of a gay guy being raped by women, por favor. Just one.

Oh boy, I don't even know where to start...

The actual issue, I find ridiculous. Schools cannot discriminate against students based on their sexuality, period. That stupid shit happens enough with the students; the faculty certainly does not need to be reinforcing such behavior.

As for Nemesis... wow, dude. I can freely admit that Johnny Depp, Nathan Fillion, and John Barrowman are highly attractive men, but my girlfriend can agree that I very much know where my interests lie.

Being able to note that someone of the same gender is sexy is not a mark of homosexuality, it's just perception. How can the standard of being "handsome" be applied unless there's a model for what you think is attractive?

I don't know how we would deal with this.

I can see where the school is coming from, but I definitely was never allowed to go to the girls locker room. If homosexuals can be in a male locker room, then why can't I be in a girl's locker room? That's one way of looking at it.

The other way is that they have rights and where else would they use the locker room?

Originally posted by dadudemon
Find 1 case of a gay guy being raped by women, por favor. Just one.

Here's one from Japan: http://blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/archives/1285246.html

California: http://www.10news.com/news/14173622/detail.html

Komatipoort (which I assume is a real place): http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/1c93dc2d3a2a4e1db74603a845bc1280/26-01-2008-12-59/Young_man_raped_by_3_women



But yeah, that's three not just one so it doesn't count.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Hey that's one of the absolute facts about gay people and you can't deny it.

You're an idiot. I don't see why one would waste valuable typing skills trying to reason with a wall such as yourself. Thank f*** for the ignore button.

And as for the actual topic itself, I don't see how it would be a problem unless you're a moronic homophobe that dislikes something (someone) for the sole reason that it is 'different'.

For the record, the thread starter was very vague about what she meant in an exact manner since her grammar was seemingly chock full of errors.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Here's one from Japan: http://blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/archives/1285246.html

California: http://www.10news.com/news/14173622/detail.html

Komatipoort (which I assume is a real place): http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/1c93dc2d3a2a4e1db74603a845bc1280/26-01-2008-12-59/Young_man_raped_by_3_women



But yeah, that's three not just one so it doesn't count.

1. I can't read the first one.

2. There's no evidence of it being rape. Just evidence of an awkward situation. It also doesn't say he's gay.

3. The next article doesn't say he was gay.




Sure, women rape men, but I've never heard of women raping a gay man. Much less, raping that gay man in the girls locker-room. Now, I'm sure you can find more cases of men getting raped by other men in the men's locker room. So, by that logic, the gay man would be safer with the women. AHA! Got you again!

Originally posted by Nemesis X
A straight person checking out the same gender is questionable if they're gay or not but they might actually be gay.

omfg. you can't really, in the twenty-first century, believe this complete and utter rubbish?!

I've looked at other girls in the locker room - mostly to compare size and such. this is how every insecure girl feel - they're still trying to identify themselves and it takes comparison for that to happen.

also. i have seen guys in several different states of dress/undress. and yet; i don't feel the need to jump every single one. it comes down to emotional connection, as well as being comfortable with them and being able to have fun. and i can't get all that through one quickie glance.

homosexuals are the same way. i have a few lesbian friends and never once have i felt uncomfortable around them. one of them told me she had a crush on me... and i didn't run around screaming COOTIES !!! GAY COOTIES!!! she knows i'm straight, she was going through a hard time with her girlfriend and asked me to help her get through it. so i did. never once was i mauled or slobbered over or... anything. we hugged - all friends hug. maybe i just have my open mind to blame for all of that. you know, not judging people from one factiod or anything like that.

Originally posted by dadudemon
1. I can't read the first one.

Not my problem

Originally posted by dadudemon
2. There's no evidence of it being rape. Just evidence of an awkward situation. It also doesn't say he's gay.

3. The next article doesn't say he was gay.

I missed that you said gay.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
well to be fair why are there girls and boys locker rooms instead of just one co-ed locker room?
Religious morality tries to oppress humanity into being scared of it's own sexuality?

uh... no? 0_o

Originally posted by King Kandy
Religious morality tries to oppress humanity into being scared of it's own sexuality?

More interesting question, why does the taboo against nudity come from in the first place?

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
uh... no? 0_o

Almost certainly, few things have influence the formation of culture so much as religion.

Well i read most of them.
Because i only seen this in New York , NF. But i got kicked out of many of my classes for being gay. But i can kind of understand the locker room, but really i took it to heart. I mean so what people are gay , they are just like everyone ,with rights. Gay people arnt some creepers checking out every single person of the same sex. If they do there just like every guy or girl thats looking at the differnt sex.
I mean i seen a handful of kids get kicked out there classes and the locker room for being gay.
They didnt do anything but in class taking notes,or in the locker room changing for class.
I dont know all the laws off hand.But is that right to do that in New York.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Almost certainly, few things have influence the formation of culture so much as religion.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
This sentence is fail since everyone in here knows I dislike gayness.

Then why do you even come in these threads if you dfont like gay people,you have that much free time?.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel


"influenced"

thats not what the smiley was for.

do you think I. I of all people... am going to clown someone elses typing?

edit- unless i misunderstood your post. mmm

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
thats not what the smiley was for.

do you think I. I of all people... am going to clown someone elses typing?

edit- unless i misunderstood your post. mmm

Much of Western culture was formed by Christianity, simply due to a historically large number of Christians. There is no way they could have not influenced our culture, and for a long time Christian sects took a dim view of sexuality for various reasons.

Then comes the question of how to determine how an individual is actually gay. There may very well be several gay people already in the locker room that are in the closet about their sexuality; to stereotype and throw a person out of a social environment such as a school is a definite example of discrimination.

You can't go around pointing fingers just because you 'think' someone is a certain way -- it's ignorant to say the least.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
uh... no? 0_o
Uh, yes. That's the reason why people think it's a problem to have different genders undress together.

In plenty of areas, natives had absolutely no problem with casual nudity. That this is a problem, says so much about the repression inherent in our society.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
More interesting question, why does the taboo against nudity come from in the first place?
I couldn't answer that, but there's certainly no evolutionary drive for it. It is also not universal, but was spawned in western culture for the most part, and then imported elsewhere.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Uh, yes. That's the reason why people think it's a problem to have different genders undress together.


really? i have a problem with guys looking at me simply because im very insecure about my body. i dont like to do anything that attracts attention. nothing to do with religion. =|

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
really? i have a problem with guys looking at me simply because im very insecure about my body. i dont like to do anything that attracts attention. nothing to do with religion. =|
You wouldn't think that if you were an Australian native who was raised to think there was nothing wrong with going about nude.

Point is, if not for our sexual insecurities, undressing wouldn't "attract attention".

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
really? i have a problem with guys looking at me simply because im very insecure about my body. i dont like to do anything that attracts attention. nothing to do with religion. =|

You're not a culture, though.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You wouldn't think that if you were an Australian native who was raised to think there was nothing wrong with going about nude.

Point is, if not for our sexual insecurities, undressing wouldn't "attract attention".

I disagree, it would be if she were raised in a culture that placed no value on beauty the insecurity about appearance wouldn't exist.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
I disagree, it would be if she were raised in a culture that placed no value on beauty the insecurity about appearance wouldn't exist.
If that was the cultural drive, her insecurity would not be greater nude than clothed. No, insecurity about nudity, is associated with sexually repressive cultures. In cultures where nudity is fine, people may be criticized for appearance, but it will have nothing to do with clothes.

Originally posted by King Kandy
You wouldn't think that if you were an Australian native who was raised to think there was nothing wrong with going about nude.

Point is, if not for our sexual insecurities, undressing wouldn't "attract attention".

my insecurity doesnt have to do with nudity specifically though. =\ and theres nothing that points to such a specific "sexual preference" being a result of religious influences.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
my insecurity doesnt have to do with nudity specifically though. =\ and theres nothing that points to such a specific "sexual preference" being a result of religious influences.
If your insecurity has nothing to do with nudity, then why is it a problem to have different genders undress together?

it doesnt have anything to do with that. but i never said it did. my post has to do with you saying that the gender separation is due to religious origin. all i said was that my reasons and the reason for a lot of people doesnt have anything to do with "god says its icky!"

Well, tell me what your reason is, then. Why should men and women be separated?

"my" reason for why men and woman should be separated?

i never said they should.

but that doesnt change the fact that the reality is that boys and girls locker rooms are seperated. and if theyre seperated due to sexual preferences then it makes sense for gays to be seperated too.

They separated by gender, not preference. Society thinks it is imprudent for younger children to be taking off their clothes around each other. If someone decides to apply sexual preference to that setting, they are discriminating. Gender discrimination is okay in that situation, but not really any other kind.

Cammii, if that happened to you, then I say "what the ****." That shouldn't be happening and you should file a complaint with your school.

but it doesnt have anything to do with younger children specifically because as we see all places that require you to change clothes are separated darn near. even bathrooms in places that children arent allowed to be in and are adults only are generally separated.

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
but that doesnt change the fact that the reality is that boys and girls locker rooms are seperated. and if theyre seperated due to sexual preferences then it makes sense for gays to be seperated too.
But it doesn't make sense for them to be separated. Neither gay nor straight.

i agree with you.

but thats how it is.

So, since our current institutions are stupid, we should make even more stupid institutions? That does not seem like a good plan to me.

No, it's not right.

It would be discrimination and thus problem would arise from it.

Originally posted by King Kandy
So, since our current institutions are stupid, we should make even more stupid institutions? That does not seem like a good plan to me.

*shrug*

if youre going to make one part less stupid then you should make it all less stupid. if a gay man is allowed to be in a room and appreciate a nice ass then i should be able too also.

but in this society i cant. so in this society... he cant. **** 'em. shrug

Originally posted by Ms.Marvel
*shrug*

if youre going to make one part less stupid then you should make it all less stupid. if a gay man is allowed to be in a room and appreciate a nice ass then i should be able too also.

but in this society i cant. so in this society... he cant. **** 'em. shrug
Yeah, because we should always do what society says... I guess all those abolitionists in the 1800s should have just shut up.

Soooo...Gay people are just like everyone else....But they don't check out every person of the same sex but if they did they'd be just like straight people who do it with the opposite sex...But they don't...So they're not really like everyone else?...Is that your rather pathetic argument?

Am I the only person having to point out the complete absurdity in this?

Anyway...Moving on to the actual point. Has anyone considered what the other people in the locker room's opinions may be?

It may sound prejudice to say that a straight boy/man may feel uncomfortable undressing in the presence of a homosexual man. But is it really any different from saying that a group of women may feel uncomfortable undressing in the presence of a heterosexual man?

Ironically, it's a thread on homosexuality that makes for the biggest dick-wagging contest KMC has seen for a while.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeah, because we should always do what society says... I guess all those abolitionists in the 1800s should have just shut up.

yes. because thats totally what i was insinuating.

i believe this is the second or third time youve taken something ive said out of context.

Originally posted by jaden101
Soooo...Gay people are just like everyone else....But they don't check out every person of the same sex but if they did they'd be just like straight people who do it with the opposite sex...But they don't...So they're not really like everyone else?...Is that your rather pathetic argument?

Am I the only person having to point out the complete absurdity in this?

Anyway...Moving on to the actual point. Has anyone considered what the other people in the locker room's opinions may be?

It may sound prejudice to say that a straight boy/man may feel uncomfortable undressing in the presence of a homosexual man. But is it really any different from saying that a group of women may feel uncomfortable undressing in the presence of a heterosexual man?

Ironically, it's a thread on homosexuality that makes for the biggest dick-wagging contest KMC has seen for a while.

qft.

Originally posted by REXXXX
They separated by gender, not preference. Society thinks it is imprudent for younger children to be taking off their clothes around each other. If someone decides to apply sexual preference to that setting, they are discriminating. Gender discrimination is okay in that situation, but not really any other kind.

Cammii, if that happened to you, then I say "what the ****." That shouldn't be happening and you should file a complaint with your school.

I am going to file for a complaint, same with other people . Because i dont believe thats right.


Well jaden101 , Well i mean it might be weird, but your not there to strip for people your there for class. I mean if a gay person doesnt come up to you and try anything they should have rights to be in there. Now if someone took it alittle far and said things to someone to put them in a wierd spot then it should be taken into actshon.
No matter where you go you will always come across differnt people,who think and act differnt. And many people are very closed minded people, and if it doesnt fit them then they are agenst it.
I live in Niagara falls, Bum ****, it's either money or don't have any. Now many people over here are very closed minded because its all stupid little drug dealers from the "hood" that doesnt like gay people. I mean kids have ALL rights to go to school, and learn,not be kicked out because there gay. Now how would people feel if they just got kicked out because they like something and the other person doesnt,it be a little messed up. If people act like adult and not shove it in peoples faces that they are gay, and not do stupid things, there shouldnt be a problem.

One kid got banned from my school for holding anouther guys hand, in my school, high school, you are aloud to hold or kiss your boyfriend or girlfriend in halls if its not going any deeper then that. But there are kids holding hands in the halls boys with girls, now why cant a boy hold the same sex just like everyone else can hold hands,why is he denyed. Because people don't like it ? Well thats stupid. If someone likes who they are, and if the same sex makes them happy, then who gives anyone the right to say there wrong, when the finger can be pointed right back.

If anyone wants to translate that into English for me then please do.

Originally posted by Peach
I fail to see how his sexuality would play into it at all.

Or are you of the (mistaken, as well as completely ridiculous) belief that if someone is homosexual they will automatically be checking out and attracted to every single person of their gender?

Well, I guess it depends what your view on separated lockers for men and women is.

Unless your harassing people or getting waaaaay too friendly at school with another person (without being smart about it), your sexual preference is none of the schools damn business and you can sue in civil court if not press charges if any school official asks you whether you are straight or gay. Let me tell you from experience after having my own battles with a school after they forced me to see a school councilor against my will (they locked the door) and searched my locker because my mom died, schools are more afraid of litigious students than anything on the planet. The only words a school official fears more than "I'm filing a lawsuit" are "I'm pressing charges".

I don't know if that helps, I went to a high school where the football team would beat you into a coma for being homophobic and people only cared about your sexuality if they wanted to ask you out. So I guess things were kind of different.

If what your saying is true, realize that your school is violating your constitutional rights and that you probably should press charges with the DA.

so, like the issue is that a gay person in a changing room might make the other students uncomfortable?

what about people who get uncomfortable changing in front of others anyways?

Originally posted by inimalist
so, like the issue is that a gay person in a changing room might make the other students uncomfortable?

what about people who get uncomfortable changing in front of others anyways? Do you mean me?

Originally posted by Bardock42
Do you mean me?

lol

the locker room was the bane of us all my friend.

Originally posted by inimalist
lol

the locker room was the bane of us all my friend.

Not me.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Not me. I was a fat kid and I didn't mind it either.

Originally posted by Nemesis X
Hey that's one of the absolute facts about gay people and you can't deny it.

That's like saying all heterosexual women check out every man and vice versa. I have a gay friend and I know they don't check me out so you're wrong...again.

Originally posted by Bardock42
I was a fat kid and I didn't mind it either.


I was a muscly kid and the other dudes would look at me and comment..every time, without fail.

It didn't bother me too much...but it was slightly uncomfortable.

Edit -

Anecdotally, the only two gays guys kept to themselves, and didn't check anyone out.