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In a battle of lightsaber dueling, who would win?

Personally, I think the match would be close, since Mace Windu doesn't have the chance to reflect Dooku's lightning with his Vaapad. Dooku has a lot more experience and precision, but Vaapad might physically overpower Makashi.

dooku wouldn't have lightning tho, by your own rules...

Originally posted by truejedi
dooku wouldn't have lightning tho, by your own rules...

Nice.

Originally posted by truejedi
dooku wouldn't have lightning tho, by your own rules...

Owned.

Oh, and AOTC Kenobi effortlessly deflected Dooku's lightning.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Oh, and AOTC Kenobi effortlessly deflected Dooku's lightning.

Yes, he did. But he didn't reflect it. Like Mace would.

Originally posted by truejedi
dooku wouldn't have lightning tho, by your own rules...

Gosh, what's with you guys?

No, what's with you, guy.

Originally posted by Anakin4Ever
Gosh, what's with you guys?

you made the rules yourself. Don't ask me whats with me: If they aren't using the force, Dooku doesn't have lightning, if they are using the force, Mace has Vapaad. If dooku has the force, and Mace doesn't, that's just stupid.

Be consistent.

Originally posted by truejedi
you made the rules yourself. Don't ask me whats with me: If they aren't using the force, Dooku doesn't have lightning, if they are using the force, Mace has Vapaad. If dooku has the force, and Mace doesn't, that's just stupid.

Be consistent.


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Oh, and Mace wins either way.

Mace loses either way.

While dooku is sipping martini and smoking cigars.

Mace wins. Dooku may have an edge in Force powers but that's irrelevant here.

Mace Windu, he was one of the most powerful members in the Jedi order during the Clone Wars era. Dooku is nothing without his force powers.

Yeah that's how that works.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Oh, and AOTC Kenobi effortlessly deflected Dooku's lightning. Actually, he blocked it. He didn't send it in any other direction.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
Mace loses either way. OX!!!! WTF?!?! Where have you been???

Originally posted by Darth Martin
Mace wins. Dooku may have an edge in Force powers but that's irrelevant here. Originally posted by HellfireTerran
Mace Windu, he was one of the most powerful members in the Jedi order during the Clone Wars era. Dooku is nothing without his force powers.

To both of you, Mace falls short in the sabers department to Dooku. And when speaking of being "powerful," that's usually in regards to force prowess, which, as was discussed a few times already, would not matter as force isn't allowed here. One is the ultimate refinement etc, the other is a form that's heavily based on the force (vaapad) which uses the darkside. That would be irrelevant here. Plus, Dooku's already beaten Mace. And without the force aide for his form, that puts him right back to where he was.

Mace wins.

Based on what? Your opinion? Dooku mastered the most technical form to it's highest degree, and was more than proficient in all other forms, as he was the BM for the temple.

I love it when people use the BM acronym. Really downplays the subject's stance.

What? He was the temple's Bowel Movement... that's gotta count for something...... right?

Yeah. It means Vader beat the guy cause his skills weren't worth shit.

based on the fact that dooku has to constantly draw on the (unavailable) force to sustain himself in combat.

Pretty obvious if you ask me. WIthout the force, dooku is an old man against an in his prime Samuel Jackson.

RotS was his physical prime? Unless he's in his twenties, I don't think so.

i kinda forgot, wasn't Windu supposed to be in his 50's in ROTS? Which is whack considering old ben was like 54 when he died....

Meh, Ben was a retired actor living the life of desert luxury. Indulging in each of the 7 deadly sins once a week certainly won't keep you fit enough to take on a Sith Lord.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
OX!!!! WTF?!?! Where have you been???

Hey man, it's been a while. Good to hear from you. I've been busy with my study. I'm afraid anonymously debating Star Wars on an internet forum with a myriad of seedy/retarded/socially deprived users had to take a back seat.

Originally posted by truejedi
based on the fact that dooku has to constantly draw on the (unavailable) force to sustain himself in combat.

Pretty obvious if you ask me. WIthout the force, dooku is an old man against an in his prime Samuel Jackson.

Stop being a knob. You know what the thread creator meant. By your logic there wouldn't be a lightsaber duel at all, seeing as how both combatants need the force in order to capitalise on their precognitive abilities; which are an essential part of lightsaber duelling.

Yeah cos the fight in ANH really needed precog. then.

Dooku loses.

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
Based on what? Your opinion? Dooku mastered the most technical form to it's highest degree, and was more than proficient in all other forms, as he was the BM for the temple.

Do you have proof for any of those three statements (Makashi being the most technical form, Dooku mastering it to its highest degree, and the BM position requiring high proficiency in all other forms)?

Originally posted by mattatom
Yeah cos the fight in ANH really needed precog. then. Damn right it did. How else would Vader have known that Kenobi was really Bruce Wizansky?

Originally posted by Mr Omiverseria
Do you have proof for any of those three statements (Makashi being the most technical form, Dooku mastering it to its highest degree, and the BM position requiring high proficiency in all other forms)?
I actually wasn't aware that Dooku was the battlemaster. And Makashi is the most technical in terms of pure saber combat. That's what it's explicitly designed for and Dooku is THE master at it.

Is any information given to explain the extent of Dooku's mastery of Makashi or his relative position among other Makashi masters? And yeah, with respect to lightsaber on lightsaber combat, sure, however in general terms I think Soresu would best fit that description.

Originally posted by mattatom
Yeah cos the fight in ANH really needed precog. then.

I'm sorry. I forgot that Count Dooku hadn't fought a duel in almost 20 years, and that he lived on an Outer Rim planet with almost no interaction with any other force users. And it must have slipped my mind that Mace Windu had four robotic limbs, wore a 120kg armor suit and relied on a life support system to survive.

Is any information given to explain the extent of Dooku's mastery of Makashi or his relative position among other Makashi masters?

As I thought... saying that Dooku's THE master of Makashi is all well and good until somebody asks those two questions.

Essential Guide to Characters tells us he and Yoda were the only Jedi to have defeated him (Windu) at sparring, and after Mace developed Vapaad, they were even in terms of saber combat.

Originally posted by Rampant ox
I'm sorry. I forgot that Count Dooku hadn't fought a duel in almost 20 years, and that he lived on an Outer Rim planet with almost no interaction with any other force users. And it must have slipped my mind that Mace Windu had four robotic limbs, wore a 120kg armor suit and relied on a life support system to survive. Oh funny. I was mereley stating that that fight could of been done with the Force hell, me and my nephew have more impressive fights than that and were not Force Sensitive.

Originally posted by Mr Omiverseria
Is any information given to explain the extent of Dooku's mastery of Makashi or his relative position among other Makashi masters?

As I thought... saying that Dooku's THE master of Makashi is all well and good until somebody asks those two questions.

From the OS:

"Despite his stubbornness, the Jedi Archives record Dooku as being a formidable Jedi. He settled numerous disputes on scattered worlds and was unequaled in a classical form of lightsaber combat. Dooku was a man of remarkable character and remarkable lineage. His birthright as the Count of Serenno also afforded him incredible wealth, which he used in his political career as Separatist leader."

Originally posted by Darth Subjekt
From the OS:

"Despite his stubbornness, the Jedi Archives record Dooku as being a formidable Jedi. He settled numerous disputes on scattered worlds and was unequaled in a classical form of lightsaber combat. Dooku was a man of remarkable character and remarkable lineage. His birthright as the Count of Serenno also afforded him incredible wealth, which he used in his political career as Separatist leader."

Could mean unequaled as a practitioner of Makashi... the quote obviously cannot be applied as a coverall statement in that Yoda was most assuredly superior to Count Dooku regarding both lightsaber a n d Force mastery.

Got necro? I do.

Mace wins. Then they have a boxing match.

Well obviously Dooku wins that.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Well obviously Dooku wins that.

No #$&king way Dookie beats Shaft in a boxing match.

Revan solos

No shit.

Originally posted by Jinsoku Takai
Could mean unequaled as a practitioner of Makashi... the quote obviously cannot be applied as a coverall statement in that Yoda was most assuredly superior to Count Dooku regarding both lightsaber a n d Force mastery.

Got necro? I do.

Fightsaber, the article which basically founded the major fighting styles, explicitly states that Makashi was THE saber to saber fighting form and perfected in the older Republic when Sith and Jedi fought constantly. Vaapad, according to Shatterpoint, is a mindset and while incredibly formidable, lacks both the singular effective purpose of Makashi and its ancient and sturdy foundations.

If I make a mixed martial arts style in my basement, I do not immediately become better than Bruce Lee, even if I can reach the top shelf and he cannot.

mace ftw i dont even understand why this question was asked

Originally posted by Ketoshifter
mace ftw i dont even understand why this question was asked

Probably for the same reason you don't use caps or logic - because it gets you through life faster?

I bet you vote straight party ballot, amirite?

this guy knows me well <3

Dooku

Windu.

Dooku takes it. Vaapad doesn't work on Dooku simply because he's not a raging sith. Dooku just waits for a opening in Windu's wild & sporadic form and let's the the precise form of Makashi take the kill.