Team Battle

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ArtificialGlory
Team 1:
God Kefka
Ganondorf

Team 2:
Deathwing
Kil'jaeden

Rules:
a) No Greater Finger of Death, Finger of Death, and Darkness of a Thousand Souls for the first 10 minutes of the fight. Endless Hunger is banned altogether.
b) Ganondorf has the Triforce of Power. Deathwing does not have the Demon/Dragon Soul.

The fight takes place on an Earth-like planet. The teams start 1 mile apart.

EvilAngel
Deathwing solo's everyone.

The guy is tenfold his old power, which was already massive.

He broken through a dimensional barrier using his physical strength alone. In doing so he physically changed the face of an entire planet. Everyone here gets annihilated.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Deathwing solo's everyone.

The guy is tenfold his old power, which was already massive.

He broken through a dimensional barrier using his physical strength alone. In doing so he physically changed the face of an entire planet. Everyone here gets annihilated.

Where have I heard this rhetoric before? Oh yeah, that's what people used to say about the new Lich King before WotLK came out and we all saw that he wasn't all that special. And of course he was able to change the face of the entire planet; he's the Aspect of Earth, after all.

No need to overwank without knowing the facts. For the sake of it, let's use the older version of Deathwing - one that we at least know something about.

EDIT: God Kefka was also able to change the face of the entire planet. However Kefka, unlike Deathwing, did it with sheer power rather than an innate ability.

EvilAngel
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Where have I heard this rhetoric before? Oh yeah, that's what people used to say about the new Lich King before WotLK came out and we all saw that he wasn't all that special. And of course he was able to change the face of the entire planet; he's the Aspect of Earth, after all.

No need to overwank without knowing the facts. For the sake of it, let's use the older version of Deathwing - one that we at least know something about.

EDIT: God Kefka was also able to change the face of the entire planet. However Kefka, unlike Deathwing, did it with sheer power rather than an innate ability.

Dude, i was at blizzcon, the guys told us what Deathwing did. That's the creators and designers of the game said "He physically broken through the plane of earth into Azeroth thus creating the cataclysm." they also specifically stated that his power was tenfold greater.

Those are now facts. If you think that's too powerful and want to use the old Deathwing that's fine, but don't act like it's "overwank" when the game designers have stated it. Okay sweetheart? good.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Dude, i was at blizzcon, the guys told us what Deathwing did. That's the creators and designers of the game said "He physically broken through the plane of earth into Azeroth thus creating the cataclysm." they also specifically stated that his power was tenfold greater.

Those are now facts. If you think that's too powerful and want to use the old Deathwing that's fine, but don't act like it's "overwank" when the game designers have stated it. Okay sweetheart? good.

That actually may have been pretty damn impressive if Deathwing wasn't the Aspect of Earth. It's just OK now. Oh yea, and they also stated that the Lich King was ten thousandfold more powerful. So where's the kicker?

I can almost guarantee that the new Deathwing will be far less powerful than the fanwankers make him out to be at the moment. We've got a precedent for that already. Of course, I can be wrong. Deathwing may come out and just kick everyone's ass like it's nobodies business and the Titans themselves may have to come over to show DW who's the real boss or something like that.

At any rate, let's just use the old Deathwing.

Q'Anilia
I don't know Kefka well enough to give a fair theory.

EvilAngel
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
That actually may have been pretty damn impressive if Deathwing wasn't the Aspect of Earth. It's just OK now. Oh yea, and they also stated that the Lich King was ten thousandfold more powerful. So where's the kicker?

I can almost guarantee that the new Deathwing will be far less powerful than the fanwankers make him out to be at the moment. We've got a precedent for that already. Of course, I can be wrong. Deathwing may come out and just kick everyone's ass like it's nobodies business and the Titans themselves may have to come over to show DW who's the real boss or something like that.

At any rate, let's just use the old Deathwing.

Never heard of that about the LK. Can you tell me when/where you heard that? because it's certainly nothing i've ever heard of.


But you can't guarantee. So far, the creators have told us this, and his breaking through a planar barrier follows this. So you have jack on your side as proof. So seriously, i think unless you have something, Anything at all on your side, you should keep your now seemingly bias opinions to yourself =\

And why is it any less impressive because he's the Aspect of earth? So far all it seems liek is a title. All he can do different to the others is he can breath lava, and his blood is lava. Unless you can prove he can... what shift open dimensional barriers?

Either way it would contradict what we were told at blizzcon. He Physically broke through.


Without that Deathwing..... probably team 1 if Kefka is as powerful as i remember him. Doesn't have have the power of like 3 gods?

Quincy
ROXAS

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by EvilAngel
Never heard of that about the LK. Can you tell me when/where you heard that? because it's certainly nothing i've ever heard of.


But you can't guarantee. So far, the creators have told us this, and his breaking through a planar barrier follows this. So you have jack on your side as proof. So seriously, i think unless you have something, Anything at all on your side, you should keep your now seemingly bias opinions to yourself =\

And why is it any less impressive because he's the Aspect of earth? So far all it seems liek is a title. All he can do different to the others is he can breath lava, and his blood is lava. Unless you can prove he can... what shift open dimensional barriers?

Either way it would contradict what we were told at blizzcon. He Physically broke through.


Without that Deathwing..... probably team 1 if Kefka is as powerful as i remember him. Doesn't have have the power of like 3 gods?

I'm pretty sure it was on either worldofwarcraft.com or blizzard.com. I believe BT was the one who linked to the page about the 'new' LK.

I can't guarantee and neither can you. Hell, it seems that the creators themselves can't guarantee anything because, quite frankly, they've said things in the past that just don't make a lot of sense. It may seem pretentious, but I'm cautious about simple statements even if they come from the devs themselves.

Aspect of Earth is obviously not just a title. Or are other Aspects just nicely colored dragons with simply fancy titles too? It would go against logic to think that DW simply has a title while the other Aspects actually have real power in their spheres of influence(Time, Life, Magic, etc.).

I'm not sure what you mean by that? DW has entered the Emerald Dream before, for example.

Yes, Kefka seems to be very powerful. Though when it actually came to a real confrontation, he wasn't all that hot.

Burning thought
i think his consciousness was expanded 10k fold, concerning the LK they claimed him the "omnipotent" LK in the same information.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by Burning thought
i think his consciousness was expanded 10k fold, concerning the LK they claimed him the "omnipotent" LK in the same information.

Yea, that's what I remember too. I stopped taking the devs' word for it after this load of crock.

EvilAngel
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I'm pretty sure it was on either worldofwarcraft.com or blizzard.com. I believe BT was the one who linked to the page about the 'new' LK.

I can't guarantee and neither can you. Hell, it seems that the creators themselves can't guarantee anything because, quite frankly, they've said things in the past that just don't make a lot of sense. It may seem pretentious, but I'm cautious about simple statements even if they come from the devs themselves.

Aspect of Earth is obviously not just a title. Or are other Aspects just nicely colored dragons with simply fancy titles too? It would go against logic to think that DW simply has a title while the other Aspects actually have real power in their spheres of influence(Time, Life, Magic, etc.).

I'm not sure what you mean by that? DW has entered the Emerald Dream before, for example.

Yes, Kefka seems to be very powerful. Though when it actually came to a real confrontation, he wasn't all that hot.


I doubt it. I would have read it. Are you sure you're not just making it up?


You know it's irrelevent right? Right now it is the only thing we have. And if they have said it as game designers, until disproven it is true. So far the only thing you have against it is you think they made a crazy claim


It's not, that's true, but my point is he is the only dragon who has never displayed his power over his aspect. Alexstrasza has given life, Maylgos has shown great magical abilities etc. Deathwing has nothing. And even supposing he did. i think breaking dimensional barrier is a bit outside his aspect as 'The Earthwarder' =\

Fine, but so what? not exactly an example of his power over his aspect, and even supposing it was it's in no way related to him causing the cataclysm..


To be honest, Ganondorf with the triforce makes me pretty sure that team 1 wins atleast round 2. If i remember right about kefka he and ganon probably take round 1 too.

EvilAngel
Originally posted by Burning thought
i think his consciousness was expanded 10k fold, concerning the LK they claimed him the "omnipotent" LK in the same information.

That's perfect reasonable if you're talking about Arthas.

He went from being a powerful death knight, to merging with a being who planned out a very complex series of events exactly as he needed them. 10k sounds a bit specific for something like that, but his conciousness growing massively makes sense atleast

ScreamPaste
there's only one round, those are rules a) and b) :P

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
there's only one round, those are rules a) and b) :P

Hehe. That's correct. Anyway, I think EvilAngel is mistaking the Triforce of Power for the full Triforce.

EvilAngel
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
there's only one round, those are rules a) and b) :P

Lol, so you're right, misread it ;p

Then team 1 kind of own i think. I mean, Kefka did alter the entire planet in an instant didn't he?

I don't think either of team 2 can stand up to that kind of power. Plus Ganondorf with the triforce. =\


Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Hehe. That's correct. Anyway, I think EvilAngel is mistaking the Triforce of Power for the full Triforce.

No but his feat with the triforce of power are considerably better. Like TK'ing a castle to hover constantly as for an example

ScreamPaste
Possibly. :P Maybe she's just quite confident in his ability with the single piece? He has shown himself to be quite the force with just that.

Edit: Yep. She's pretty confident in him.

Yeah, I think team one can win this. Ganon can lay down some pretty screwed up powers.

Burning thought
Deathwing could probably solo this, crush Ganon and bury him beneath a Volcano or something and Kiljaeden could use his TK thing to "gib" Keffy

EvilAngel
Originally posted by Burning thought
Deathwing could probably solo this, crush Ganon and bury him beneath a Volcano or something and Kiljaeden could use his TK thing to "gib" Keffy

Only problem is Deathwing has never shown this power =\

Burning thought
Pff, hes the Earth warder, if him entering Azeroth through a dimension caused all this natural devestation (did he not make a huge tornado and a volcano?) then him at full power and given some time would do it easily. He would just use his strength and size to pummel Ganon and bury him that way.

Kiljaden can destroy either Keffy and maybe Ganon with that TK Archimonde did with a gesture to rip apart a dragon (assuming he has similiar power set, we know hes more powerful than Archimonde however).

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Given time he won't have because there's going to be a battle happening?

EvilAngel
Originally posted by Burning thought
Pff, hes the Earth warder, if him entering Azeroth through a dimension caused all this natural devestation (did he not make a huge tornado and a volcano?) then him at full power and given some time would do it easily. He would just use his strength and size to pummel Ganon and bury him that way.

Kiljaden can destroy either Keffy and maybe Ganon with that TK Archimonde did with a gesture to rip apart a dragon (assuming he has similiar power set, we know hes more powerful than Archimonde however).

He's not at full power, it's the old deathwing. Not current. And we've never (to my knowledge atleast, i could be wrong) seen him make a volcano, or cause an earthquake.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by EvilAngel
I doubt it. I would have read it. Are you sure you're not just making it up?


You know it's irrelevent right? Right now it is the only thing we have. And if they have said it as game designers, until disproven it is true. So far the only thing you have against it is you think they made a crazy claim


It's not, that's true, but my point is he is the only dragon who has never displayed his power over his aspect. Alexstrasza has given life, Maylgos has shown great magical abilities etc. Deathwing has nothing. And even supposing he did. i think breaking dimensional barrier is a bit outside his aspect as 'The Earthwarder' =\

Fine, but so what? not exactly an example of his power over his aspect, and even supposing it was it's in no way related to him causing the cataclysm..


To be honest, Ganondorf with the triforce makes me pretty sure that team 1 wins atleast round 2. If i remember right about kefka he and ganon probably take round 1 too.

Fair enough. I should have opted to use the old DW from the beginning.

Q'Anilia
Originally posted by Burning thought
i think his consciousness was expanded 10k fold, concerning the LK they claimed him the "omnipotent" LK in the same information.

Omnipotent? What? When? And I hope you guys realize that being omnipotent does not by default mean you have all the powers that exist. Being omnipotent doesn't necessarily, according to the English language, mean that you can do anything.

Burning thought
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Fair enough. I should have opted to use the old DW from the beginning.

Well we still have an enormous mass of muscle and adamantium filled with molten blood, he will crush Ganon while Kelth does what I think he would do.

ArtificialGlory

Q'Anilia

Cyner
If any of these guys were omnipotent, there would be no way to challenge them at all. Since they could just erase their opponents from history, or change time and space or... anything.

Q'Anilia
Originally posted by Cyner
If any of these guys were omnipotent, there would be no way to challenge them at all. Since they could just erase their opponents from history, or change time and space or... anything.

Misconception.

Utrigita
In my honest opinion I doesn't see Ganondorf as that much of a threat, to either Kil'Jaeden ore Deathwing, I'm much more interested to know more about the Kafka guy smile

Burning thought
He has powerful spells that can be stopped by quick entities, thus why I claimed if Kiljaeden can use the TK motion that Archimonde his inferior did then keffy is doomed.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Burning thought
He has powerful spells that can be stopped by quick entities Lol. Shut up.

Kefka is the most powerful character here, by far.

He is able to annihilate cities with utmost ease from across the world. Kiljaedan's puny TK is no threat to a being who can rearrange continents.

Kefka contains the power of the three Gods of the Triad I think they were called, each one when warring together brought the entire planet into ruin.

Burning thought
yes it is a threat if Keffy has no durability feats, got a durability feat for him? because so far all I see is his lame 3 second cast time laser, 3 seconds takes longer than a gesture from Kiljaeden, so please be quiet.

NemeBro
Right, because you can definately prove he is a "lame three second caster," amirite?

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by NemeBro
Right, because you can definately prove he is a "lame three second caster," amirite?

It took him about 3 seconds to charge Light of Judgment... at least it seemed like that.

Anyway, Kefka's godly powers all but fizzled out when it came to a face-to-face confrontation.

Burning thought
Originally posted by NemeBro
Right, because you can definately prove he is a "lame three second caster," amirite?

Seen the vid, although since AG saw it too as did those who provided it and I dont give a damn what you want to whine about I will not go and find it for you, I assume you played the game so you should know my previous clam pudding.

NemeBro
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
It took him about 3 seconds to charge Light of Judgment... at least it seemed like that.

Anyway, Kefka's godly powers all but fizzled out when it came to a face-to-face confrontation.

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That is the world being ruined.

Does not seem to be taking too long, ey?

For some reason I cannot find the Light of Judgment.

Edit: What do you mean they "fizzled out?"

NemeBro
Originally posted by Burning thought
Seen the vid, although since AG saw it too as did those who provided it and I dont give a damn what you want to whine about I will not go and find it for you, I assume you played the game so you should know my previous clam pudding. What vid would that be?

NemeBro
Also, BT, assuming you are just generalising and assuming that in gameplay FFVI spells take three seconds to cast like the others do, this vid disproves that, no charging involved.

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ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by NemeBro
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That is the world being ruined.

Does not seem to be taking too long, ey?

For some reason I cannot find the Light of Judgment.

Edit: What do you mean they "fizzled out?"

He seemed nothing like a god in the last battle. The only thing he had going for him was Heartless Angel. Everything else was just meh. And are you sure it was Kefka who did that to the world and that it wasn't just a by-product of him absorbing the statues?

NemeBro
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
He seemed nothing like a god in the last battle. The only thing he had going for him was Heartless Angel. Everything else was just meh. And are you sure it was Kefka who did that to the world and that it wasn't just a by-product of him absorbing the statues? A by-product?

Considering the remaining debris from the ruining of the world gathered at a single spot to form Kefka's tower, that seems a little elaborate to be a mere by-product of his absorption, doesn't it?

Also, gameplay mechanics ftl?

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by NemeBro
A by-product?

Considering the remaining debris from the ruining of the world gathered at a single spot to form Kefka's tower, that seems a little elaborate to be a mere by-product of his absorption, doesn't it?

Also, gameplay mechanics ftl?

Well, there's a big different between the whole world getting torn apart and some debris gathering to one spot.

Burning thought
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Well, there's a big different between the whole world getting torn apart and some debris gathering to one spot.

Hence why watching a small section of a vid does not always suffice roll eyes (sarcastic)

Keffy could not do that before Kiljaeden makes a gesture erm

Originally posted by NemeBro
Also, BT, assuming you are just generalising and assuming that in gameplay FFVI spells take three seconds to cast like the others do, this vid disproves that, no charging involved.

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As I said, Ive seen the continent destroying laser and ive seen god knows how many spells, most of them take a long time by standards of other universes.

NemeBro
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Well, there's a big different between the whole world getting torn apart and some debris gathering to one spot. You should get your eyes checked.

The debris gathering was because of the world being torn apart.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by NemeBro
You should get your eyes checked.

The debris gathering was because of the world being torn apart.

Then maybe I should because I saw no such thing in the video you linked.

What I read is that Kefka gathered debris from the already ruined world to build his tower.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by Burning thought
As I said, Ive seen the continent destroying laser and ive seen god knows how many spells, most of them take a long time by standards of other universes.

I could hardly call it continent destroying.

NemeBro
Originally posted by Burning thought
Keffy could not do that before Kiljaeden makes a gesture erm



As I said, Ive seen the continent destroying laser and ive seen god knows how many spells, most of them take a long time by standards of other universes. O RLY? Kefka casually did that, without a gesture, he did not charge anything, yet we could see large explosions from space and continents shifting.

2. Continent destroying laser? Light of Judgment destroys cities. Tell me where you saw the vid or show me it. And none of the spells I showed took a long time, they were instantly casted, FFVI spells are fast.

NemeBro
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Then maybe I should because I saw no such thing in the video you linked.

What I read is that Kefka gathered debris from the already ruined world to build his tower. It was not in that vid, nor did I ever say it was.

Either way, you are speculating, prove it was merely a "by-product" and not Kefka himself. You can't, so do not bother trying.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by NemeBro
It was not in that vid, nor did I ever say it was.

Either way, you are speculating, prove it was merely a "by-product" and not Kefka himself. You can't, so do not bother trying.

That goes both ways. We don't know if it was Kefka who did that. And no, him gathering some debris is not proof of that.

At any rate, even it was indeed Kefka who destroyed the world, his other powers don't seem to be proportionate to somebody who can wreck entire continents. Definitely not his durability either.

NemeBro
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
That goes both ways. We don't know if it was Kefka who did that. And no, him gathering some debris is not proof of that.

At any rate, even it was indeed Kefka who destroyed the world, his other powers don't seem to be proportionate to somebody who can wreck entire continents. Definitely not his durability either. Let us see. Kefka just absorbed the power of the Warring Triad. Kefka wants to,"Destroy everything." After he gained the godlike power of the Warring Triad, the world was destroyed. You'd have to be a fool to believe otherwise.

O RLY? Because you say so? His durability? Have any instances of God Kefka being injured by something weak? We have no real idea how powerful any of the FFVI characters are, although Terra is an Esper, demigods who served the Warring Triad.

Regardless, it matters not, Kefka does to Kiljaedan and Deathwing what he did to the planet, tears them asunder.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by NemeBro
Let us see. Kefka just absorbed the power of the Warring Triad. Kefka wants to,"Destroy everything." After he gained the godlike power of the Warring Triad, the world was destroyed. You'd have to be a fool to believe otherwise.

O RLY? Because you say so? His durability? Have any instances of God Kefka being injured by something weak? We have no real idea how powerful any of the FFVI characters are, although Terra is an Esper, demigods who served the Warring Triad.

Regardless, it matters not, Kefka does to Kiljaedan and Deathwing what he did to the planet, tears them asunder.

I'm sure you will dismiss this information on the grounds that it's taken out of a wiki, since it does not serve you, but hey, I'll just throw it out there anyway:
"After this, he moved the Triad out of alignment, shattering their delicate magical field. Shadow, Terra and the Returners narrowly escaped. However, the damage was done and the Apocalypse occurred; the Triad awoke from their slumber and the world was shifted into the World of Ruin."

Espers aren't all that powerful. They attacked Kefka with some pretty weak spells/abilities.

Just like he tore the party asunder? Even if we make the somewhat gratuitous assumption that it was indeed Kefka who pwned the world, it's still unknown whether he can do it living, moving beings.

NemeBro
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
I'm sure you will dismiss this information on the grounds that it's taken out of a wiki, since it does not serve you, but hey, I'll just throw it out there anyway:
"After this, he moved the Triad out of alignment, shattering their delicate magical field. Shadow, Terra and the Returners narrowly escaped. However, the damage was done and the Apocalypse occurred; the Triad awoke from their slumber and the world was shifted into the World of Ruin."

Espers aren't all that powerful. They attacked Kefka with some pretty weak spells/abilities.

Just like he tore the party asunder? Even if we make the somewhat gratuitous assumption that it was indeed Kefka who pwned the world, it's still unknown whether he can do it living, moving beings. I'm not sure what that was intending to disprove, considering the fact that Kefka holds the combined power of the entire Warring Triad.

Oh, and you missed the next part.

"In the aftermath of this, Kefka drained the Triad of their power, turning them into weakened husks and himself into a God. Kefka built a gigantic tower, fittingly called Kefka's Tower, from the rubble of the world he had destroyed. With more or less the entire world fearing him, Kefka ruled over the World of Ruin from atop the tower, smiting anyone who defied him with the Light of Judgment, a beam of magical energy that could destroy entire towns."

The world he had destroyed. Kefka was absorbing the Warring Triads power when the world was destroyed, the power of the Warring Triads destroyed it. Two and two together.

Shit, even assuming he didn't personally destroy it, logic dictates he clearly can, considering he possesses all the magic power of the world, holding the power of the Warring Triads.

Also, I found a pic which displays the destructing the Light of Judgment can cause, still no vid though.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:LightofJudgment.JPG

Weak spells...Like what? Why are they weak? Because you say so? We have never even seen the spells outside of gameplay.

The world was shown being split apart, explosions ravaged the planet, etc.

Should we assume that Master Roshi from Dragonball cannot apply his moon destroying Kamehameha on a human being? No, we should not.

Though really, Light of Judgment is probably enough.

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm not sure what that was intending to disprove, considering the fact that Kefka holds the combined power of the entire Warring Triad.

Oh, and you missed the next part.

"In the aftermath of this, Kefka drained the Triad of their power, turning them into weakened husks and himself into a God. Kefka built a gigantic tower, fittingly called Kefka's Tower, from the rubble of the world he had destroyed. With more or less the entire world fearing him, Kefka ruled over the World of Ruin from atop the tower, smiting anyone who defied him with the Light of Judgment, a beam of magical energy that could destroy entire towns."

The world he had destroyed. Kefka was absorbing the Warring Triads power when the world was destroyed, the power of the Warring Triads destroyed it. Two and two together.

Shit, even assuming he didn't personally destroy it, logic dictates he clearly can, considering he possesses all the magic power of the world, holding the power of the Warring Triads.

Also, I found a pic which displays the destructing the Light of Judgment can cause, still no vid though.

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/File:LightofJudgment.JPG

Weak spells...Like what? Why are they weak? Because you say so? We have never even seen the spells outside of gameplay.

The world was shown being split apart, explosions ravaged the planet, etc.

Should we assume that Master Roshi from Dragonball cannot apply his moon destroying Kamehameha on a human being? No, we should not.

Though really, Light of Judgment is probably enough.

Hmmph, it put me under the impression that the world was plunged into a shithole because the balance of the Triad has been broken or something like that.

And it's not quite the same as some dude blowing up a moon with an energy attack. It's not even clear why exactly it was destroyed or what the exact method of destruction was. If it was destroyed because some kinda balance was broken... well, you can't really apply that to an individual, right?

Yes, but the only thing we've got is gameplay. And wasn't Kefka keeping an Esper or more imprisoned? If they're demi-gods, then by Zeus almighty, they've got to be the weakest demi-gods I've seen in fiction.

Yea, Light of Judgment is pretty good, but it takes a few seconds to charge up and I doubt it would very practical to use if someone was in your face.

Here's the video anyway:
1:46
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NemeBro
Originally posted by ArtificialGlory
Hmmph, it put me under the impression that the world was plunged into a shithole because the balance of the Triad has been broken or something like that.

And it's not quite the same as some dude blowing up a moon with an energy attack. It's not even clear why exactly it was destroyed or what the exact method of destruction was. If it was destroyed because some kinda balance was broken... well, you can't really apply that to an individual, right?

Yes, but the only thing we've got is gameplay. And wasn't Kefka keeping an Esper or more imprisoned? If they're demi-gods, then by Zeus almighty, they've got to be the weakest demi-gods I've seen in fiction.

Yea, Light of Judgment is pretty good, but it takes a few seconds to charge up and I doubt it would very practical to use if someone was in your face.

Here's the video anyway:
1:46
ecuW1uCi5U8 It was the Triad's power that did it, which we know Kefka had absorbed at the time, why is that so hard to get?

Reality warping in all likelihood. And...Yeah we can. The world was being rearranged and areas were being annihilated, the world was so ravaged plants could hardly grow. Kefka possessed the power of all the magic in the world, why is it so hard to believe he could accomplish this? Oh, and for another feat, constructing his tower from debris across the entire planet telekinetically.

Espers are not invincible, and the Gestahl Empire had devised a way to control and drain them...Hell, Kefka's insanity was the result of an experiment to give him the powers of an Esper, by the time he ascended to godhood, he had drained the powers of countless Espers.

Where was he charging anything? Was it because of the pyramid thing that you thought that? Because he had that around him nearly the whole time...

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by NemeBro
It was the Triad's power that did it, which we know Kefka had absorbed at the time, why is that so hard to get?

Reality warping in all likelihood. And...Yeah we can. The world was being rearranged and areas were being annihilated, the world was so ravaged plants could hardly grow. Kefka possessed the power of all the magic in the world, why is it so hard to believe he could accomplish this? Oh, and for another feat, constructing his tower from debris across the entire planet telekinetically.

Espers are not invincible, and the Gestahl Empire had devised a way to control and drain them...Hell, Kefka's insanity was the result of an experiment to give him the powers of an Esper, by the time he ascended to godhood, he had drained the powers of countless Espers.

Where was he charging anything? Was it because of the pyramid thing that you thought that? Because he had that around him nearly the whole time...

Well, I suppose you're right.

No, not the pyramid thing. You can see Kefka raise up his hands, then there's this sound, and then after a few seconds Light of Judgment fires off.

NemeBro
Ah, I see what you mean now, yes, there is a short charge.

Although in this fight, if he pulls it off, would you at least agree it would cause like, t3h super pwnage?

ArtificialGlory
Originally posted by NemeBro
Ah, I see what you mean now, yes, there is a short charge.

Although in this fight, if he pulls it off, would you at least agree it would cause like, t3h super pwnage?

Yes, especially if Kefka kept firing at a single target instead of waving it around like crazy.

NemeBro
Yey.

Burning thought
"if" kefka pull it off being the key statement...

NemeBro
Doesn't need to.

The ruination of the world grants him the win.

Burning thought
Your whole argument over the past few pages makes it seem theres no actual fact, merely opinion or assumption on whether or not he actually did the feat or the feat simply came about because of his absorption of those godly entities.

NemeBro
He is the source of all the magic in the world, and we know it was the Warring Triad who caused it, whose power he had absorbed. Yeah.

Burning thought
He may have their power but not their knowledge or technique in using it wink

And what did they cause? did they consciously activate this power together to destroy the world or did he absorb them? thus causing the damage to the world?

NemeBro
Originally posted by Burning thought
He may have their power but not their knowledge or technique in using it wink

And what did they cause? did they consciously activate this power together to destroy the world or did he absorb them? thus causing the damage to the world? Knowledge or technique in using it lol...He seemed to have enough to create fissures of destruction and to levitate debris from around the world to form his massive tower.

What did they cause? What was in the video I posted, the continents being rearranged, and destruction that could be seen from space. no expression

I am not sure what you are asking. The power of the Warring Triads is what is the cause of the destruction of the world, the power he absorbed.

Burning thought
Ive not seen this apparent feat. All ive seen is what looks like 3 statues launching a little star which takes 9 seconds to get to the planet, it cracks a continent in two with a lot of explosions. The power of each seems to be unknown.

He may not be able to replicate this particular move despite having their power.

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