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http://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/12/education/12discipline.html?_r=1&scp=1&sq=zero%20tolerance&st=cse

I always knew those things were the WMDs of kitchen utensils.

Zero-tolerance policy make people stupid.

Was this the indestructible plastic kind you get at military surplus? Cuz those are awesome. You can't cut anything with them, but they're still awesome.

Originally posted by King Kandy
WMDs of kitchen utensils.
Wonderful Multitasking Devices?

So-called zero-tolerance should allow a case-by-case basis.

um, you do realize that under zero tolerance policies, schools have called the cops on kindergartners for "shooting" each other with vaguely gun-shaped chicken strips, right? The whole purpose is to make voters think they're actually doing something, get more tax revenue for supposed security measures, and enrich the private detention facilities and supposed "alternative education facilities" like Back In Control (if that still even exists).

Yet they allow others to sharpen pencils?



Do they not know a real weapon when they see it?

Gotta love the US.

The same shit that a woman gets charged for 24 song and is ordered to pay 1.92 mil in music piracy case. Shes a single mother BTW.

Lets not forget drug policies where they weigh your paraphernalia along with your drugs instead of by dosage so that you can possession with intent to sell if you happen to have your acid in sugar cubes instead of stamps or should the cops decide to weigh your bong with your pot.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
...schools have called the cops on kindergartners for "shooting" each other with vaguely gun-shaped chicken strips... IIRC, there was an instance where a kindergartner or first-grader got in trouble for forming a gun with his fingers (y'know: thumb up, pointer out).

I think most of my generation would be in prison if Zero Tolerance laws were enacted or enforced the way they are now when we were kids. I mean when you expel a kid for ingesting tums your basically saying it's illegal to carry a flavored chunk of calcium carbonate to school.

Its the path to a police state, total control, care tactics. A gradual eating away at freedom, and down the steps to dictatorship.

How is this even considered news?

If you do not want to be suspended, do not bring a knife to school. How is this a controversy?

Originally posted by Mindship
IIRC, there was an instance where a kindergartner or first-grader got in trouble for forming a gun with his fingers (y'know: thumb up, pointer out).


Don't be a retard. THAT HAND GUN WAS LOADED!







As far as the story goes:

I'm with Adam. Zero tolerane is zero tolerance is zero tolerance. Don't bring a damn pocket knife to school. However, the punishment for children under 8 should be 1 day suspension or something. For older students like highschool students, it should be some big shit that goes on their record. What dumbass thinks it's okay to bring any sort of knife to school? (Again, referring to highschool.) This isn't Japan, idiots.

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It's a stupid policy, though.

Though the title is misleading, he didn't have a spork, but a knifoon.

Originally posted by Bardock42
It's a stupid policy, though.

Though the title is misleading, he didn't have a spork, but a knifoon.

To me, I gathered it was a multi-function pocket knife.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-93703311224345_1971_20540608

Originally posted by dadudemon
To me, I gathered it was a multi-function pocket knife.

http://us.st11.yimg.com/us.st.yimg.com/I/yhst-93703311224345_1971_20540608



Holy shit, knifoon is an actual thing.

I guess what I meant is a kniforoon.

Originally posted by Bardock42
Holy shit, knifoon is an actual thing.

I guess what I meant is a kniforoon.



You missed the bottle opener for the beer he was obviously going to share with his classmates.

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Has anyone ever gotten up around Christmas, looked at the drive way, and wished that you could legally buy a napalm flame thrower just so you wouldn't be outside for 3 hours shoveling?

Thats off topic though..

****, wrong thread, apologies. should have gone in the christmas thead

Zero-tolerance policies pave the way to Totalitarianism.
Just what the USA wants.

It's their problem though.. as long as I live in a far better place, away from that hellhole, then it's perfectly fine.

They pave the way to short term profits for some, long term profits for others, and the ruination of a generation. In the past, they would have just shipped kids off to war to die.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
SPOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON!!!!!!!



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F*CK YES!



I say that at work randomly, and no one ever gets it.

speak was great on that show

I agree with forcing the rules of the school, but from what I heard he's suspended. Why harm the child's education with a long suspension? He made a mistake...apologize...shorten the penalty...teach him the values of rules but don't hinder his education.


BLAGH!

Oh, and make sure to get the drug company kickback by stipulating that he has to get on ritalin before he can return.

Originally posted by Darth Jello
Oh, and make sure to get the drug company kickback by stipulating that he has to get on ritalin before he can return.
Our schools are underfunded so that's probably the only valid option.

Stupid American education system.

You can bring big metal rulers to school, but you can't bring small, dull plastic "knives" simply because it looks like a knife, which apparently makes them more dangerous.

You can actually in many cases get rewarded for being bad.

High School level here isn't anywhere near middle school level in China in terms of level of difficulty.

You can't fight back if you are beaten up. Whoever made this rule up is obviously a retard.

I can see the headline one day:

"Elementary School Principle Orders All Boys to be Castrated Under Zero Tolerance After Reading Sylvia Plath and Lydia Lunch Books."

The United States has one of the most illogical school systems in the developed world.

It's really sad.

Yeah, just look at the Southerners.


OH SHI--

Kids been readmitted. They made a decision to exempt kindergartners and first graders from the more idiotic aspects of zero tolerance.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
Stupid American education system.



High School level here isn't anywhere near middle school level in China in terms of level of difficulty.



Well, gee...how hard is it to memorize Mao's quotes and always remember the government belongs to the people and not the British Empire?

Originally posted by WickedDynamite
Well, gee...how hard is it to memorize Mao's quotes and always remember the government belongs to the people and not the British Empire?

I mean in math and stuff like that

one of my friends is in college here after moving from China, and he claims that what he's learning now he learned...in middle school.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I mean in math and stuff like that

one of my friends is in college here after moving from China, and he claims that what he's learning now he learned...in middle school.
Yeah I know a guy from China going to college now and he says it's easier than his high school was by a lot.

I think really its the methodology. A lot of education outside the US is dependent on developing psychological faculties in early childhood through repetition and memorization, and not necessarily propaganda. Memorization of math tables and equations, memorization of poems and songs of cultural significance. Essentially, developing a person's ability to organize, keep, and alter information in his or her head.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
I mean in math and stuff like that

one of my friends is in college here after moving from China, and he claims that what he's learning now he learned...in middle school.

No offense to your friend, but, he must be a dumbass to end up at a college that teaches such a low-level curriculum. Amirite? awesome


If US colleges were so bad, why do so many foreigners attend them?

Originally posted by dadudemon
If US colleges were so bad, why do so many foreigners attend them?

Probably because the really good American colleges are really good and the sucky ones are terrible.

Originally posted by Hewhoknowsall
one of my friends is in college here after moving from China, and he claims that what he's learning now he learned...in middle school.

Well what classes and what year in school? My freshman year had several compulsory classes that were clearly intended to decided who was completely beyond hope.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
Well what classes and what year in school? My freshman year had several compulsory classes that were clearly intended to decided who was completely beyond hope.

I've found that rather than this stuff being dictated by subject/school/anything else, it is more dictated by the prof themselves.

I've had classes in all subjects at all university levels that were so challenging, in a good way, and really expected great things from the students and others at all levels and in all subjects that seem little more than an effort in fill in the blanks.

Also, I might challenge the way Eastern and Western education systems run, in theory. It wouldn't surprise me that they had more specific technical knowledge in engineering fields.

Originally posted by dadudemon
No offense to your friend, but, he must be a dumbass to end up at a college that teaches such a low-level curriculum. Amirite? awesome


If US colleges were so bad, why do so many foreigners attend them? Additionally to what SC said, perhaps it has also to do with the opportunities in the US that can be available to foreigners through study visas.

Subjects matter as well. If you go to CU Boulder for example, of course you can breeze through business school and most of the humanities are fairly straightforward as long as you know how to read and think critically. Sciences and mathematics though...Jesus!!! I mean undergrads build parts for NASA as part of their curriculum and they almost contracted through Los Alamos. CU Denver has some pretty weak programs as well but they also have the third best recording program in the country (5th or 6th in the world I believe), a world class medical school, and a political science and public affairs program that contracts with Peace Corps and Ambassador programs I think anyone who bases all US colleges based on one class at one college is sorely misinformed.