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Fight in open arena.



next fight on a beach.


For Mace try and uses comics, but the Clone wars mini series and Movies are useable as well.

Both armed for first scenerio


Both unarmed for the second.

Be total of 4 separate fights.

windu from the cartoon thing would wtf rape ares, at least the marvel one.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
windu from the cartoon thing would wtf rape ares, at least the marvel one.
That is cannon to.

seriously? that's cool i guess

imo he was the second strongest jedi in the whole thing, the gap between yoda was vast but he seemed stronger than obi-wan and anakin, and more impressive in combat then vader if you include sith imo.

Isn't Mace's lightsaber the best one there is?

There was a comic book where young Mace traveled on the planet inhabited by rock creatures. Purple crystals were a part of them.

Windu wins all of their matches.

Nah, Windu's Saber isn't the best, it's just an Electrum hilt, and gold, so it looks cool.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
seriously? that's cool i guess

imo he was the second strongest jedi in the whole thing, the gap between yoda was vast but he seemed stronger than obi-wan and anakin, and more impressive in combat then vader if you include sith imo.
yup.


He was on par with Yoda actually. I think he would have beaten Yoda. He was certainly better against Palp who he actually beat.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Isn't Mace's lightsaber the best one there is?

There was a comic book where young Mace traveled on the planet inhabited by rock creatures. Purple crystals were a part of them.
yea and he went back in time 100 years and became a hero. found the light saber crystal. It use posses to be the most powerful, but extremely difficult to weild.

par is kinda bold, i mean,yoda had mastery over the light side of the force and was capable of redirecting force lightning, a sith only technique, and absorbing it, a seemingly exclusive technique of yoda's

and yoda owned that battleship thing in the cartoon

Originally posted by psycho gundam
par is kinda bold, i mean,yoda had mastery over the light side of the force and was capable of redirecting force lightning, a sith only technique, and absorbing it, a seemingly exclusive technique of yoda's
Mace could redirect force lightning as he did vs Palp. He also could uses force crush among other Sith moves. He also the only one to fully master Vaapad. Which could greatly amp his speed. It also consider the best style and he was consider unstoppable with it. He also was naturally gifted at shatter point and for his time was the most skilled with it. It also believed during one mission to some planet if he had stay instead of left to same obi-wan that he would have found sideous and defeated him something only he has done and maybe could.


Mace beat an arm of battle driods mostly unarmed then took out a huge space tank thing. He also the reason grevious has the cough and Dooku fear him. He also beat assra the assin easily and took on Bulq the weapons master.

Yoda was the most powerful Force user during his time as Grandmaster, Mace was nowhere near as strong as him.

Mace's lightsaber is normal, it's his saber style, Vaapad that's powerful, but it can turn an inexperienced user to the dark side. Vaapad doesn't amp speed, it uses your love for battle, and your opponents anger to fuel your attacks, making them more powerful.

Yes, Mace could have ended the war if he acted on finding the Shatterpoint which was Sidious. And the reason Yoda didn't beat Palpatine is because he knew he wasn't the one to do so.

Also, Mace didn't defeat Sidious, Sidious let him win so Anakin would continue his fall to the dark side.

iirc it was the lightsaber that repelled the lightning, not mace's knowledge of the force.

and it was explicitly said that anakin's force potential was the only thing that could eclipse yoda's, palpotine is un unknown (at least to me)

anakin has potential in the force grater than windu's, but his battle skills are lower overall imo.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yoda was the most powerful Force user during his time as Grandmaster, Mace was nowhere near as strong as him.

Mace's lightsaber is normal, it's his saber style, Vaapad that's powerful, but it can turn an inexperienced user to the dark side.
Yes he certainly was as powerful. Again there a reason he beat Palp when yoda failed. To say he was no were near as strong is simply wrong.




It not normal, there a difference with each crystal, some are stronger, some easier to wield ect. Vaapad power comes from the user. Actaully it can turn anyone to the dark side which it did the fame weapon master bulq consider one of the most powerful. Mace is generally consider the greatest light saber duelist of his time.

either it was palpotine orchestrating his own low showing to turn anakin, or yoda seemed weaker against palpotine cause unlike yoda, winda was willing to kill him without feeling guilt.

yoda viewed all of the jedi as his students, even the ones who became sith

Originally posted by KingD19
Mace's lightsaber is normal, it's his saber style, Vaapad that's powerful, but it can turn an inexperienced user to the dark side.

Not according to the comics

Also, the synthetic crystals (red ones which Sith&Dark Jedi use) have more power than blue ones. It was stated in Attack of the Clones: The Visual Dictionary.

Originally posted by KingD19
Vaapad doesn't amp speed, it uses your love for battle, and your opponents anger to fuel your attacks, making them more powerful.


It uses ones thrill of battle. Mace Windu version of Vaapad amp his speed greatly. Not everyones would, his version of it did.

Originally posted by KingD19
Yes, Mace could have ended the war if he acted on finding the Shatterpoint which was Sidious. And the reason Yoda didn't beat Palpatine is because he knew he wasn't the one to do so.


But he elft to save obi-wan.

Yoda realize he was to evenly match so when he got knocked off the plat form he new to leave.

Originally posted by KingD19
Also, Mace didn't defeat Sidious, Sidious let him win so Anakin would continue his fall to the dark side.
No he beat him actaully thats a misconception. It even states on the web sight, the directors cut by Lucas him self.

I already explained that Sidious let him win so Anakin would completely fall to the dark side.

And Windu was good, but it was said only Dooku and Yoda could beat him in a saber duel.

And Mace's saber is special only due to the fact that it's blade is purple(color crystal), and the hilt is made of electrum.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
either it was palpotine orchestrating his own low showing to turn anakin, or yoda seemed weaker against palpotine cause unlike yoda, winda was willing to kill him without feeling guilt.

yoda viewed all of the jedi as his students, even the ones who became sith
Nope Palp simply lost. Yoda is more then willing to kill it had nothing to do with that. Mace is on par with Yoda, there a reason Mace was the senior most general. His skills with out Vaapad were said to match Yoda's. But with the uses of it he consider unstopable even more so to dark users.



He trained the little ones. That hardly means he better. Hell advance light saber instructure was killed by anakin.

No he did not few the sith has his student, except for dooku, sorta anakin. The other neevr trained in the jedi order.

palpotine was jedi, he wanted more and only the sith could sate him.

Originally posted by KingD19
And Mace's saber is special only due to the fact that it's blade is purple(color crystal), and the hilt is made of electrum.



Quoted from Wookieepedia. You can't just ignore that and the comic itself

Originally posted by KingD19
I already explained that Sidious let him win so Anakin would completely fall to the dark side.


Yea and you are wrong. It stated on the web sight he beat him no mention on Sidious letting him self loses. Thats a misconception. It even stated in the director cut that he beat palp by lucas him self. It a stated fact, there much you can debate on who better yad yad, but Mace did beat Sideous and Sideous tried and was beaten. This has been confirmed by numerous sources and Lucas him self.

Originally posted by KingD19
Windu was good, but it was said only Dooku and Yoda could beat him in a saber duel.
Actaul it was said those are the only two that every bestest him. But this also when he was much younger so accounts stated he was not even a jedi knight yet. They said once he reach master then only yoda or dooku had a chance of beating him with out the vaapad, with it they said he was unbeatable. Also Dooku was scared shitless of Mace he ran several times from Mace, and the short duel they did have mace crushed him and he ahd to be saved by a bunch of driods and fled



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Originally posted by psycho gundam
palpotine was jedi, he wanted more and only the sith could sate him.
No he never was a Jedi. Thats one of the main reason no one suspect him. He was trained by a powerful sith who he killed in his sleep.

Just wondering - didn't Samuel Jackson demand that fighting scene with Palpatine? I heard that the initial scenario was much different.

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Just wondering - didn't Samuel Jackson demand that fighting scene with Palpatine? I heard that the initial scenario was much different.
No, it was suppose to be much more action, but due to the physical limitation of the actor play Palp they had to change the fight a little, but the outcome was always the same.

I see.

Also to people said Vaapad not about speed is miss informed. Maces certainly was which is why it called the Vaapad which is an eight arm create was lightning fast attacks. It was said Vaapad made the user appear to be striking with 8 blades.