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X

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Im gonna say DS

X

mr.x 8or9/10

Mister X in a great fight.

Slade is good, but X ftw

one of the best matches i've seen made in a long time here............i'd say deathstroke

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So why does deathstroke win this. Mr.x is a better fighter, faster reflexes and would read Deathstroke like a book.

He would treat deathstroke just like he treated wolverine

better fighter? faster reflexes? read slade's super-fast calculating brain?

Originally posted by namorsubby
better fighter? faster reflexes? read slade's super-fast calculating brain?

How about you show me.

Better fighter, he ran through task master, wolverine, almost everyone that approached him and these are "A" list fighters. He should be able to stomp slade.

Slade can shut his mind off and physically he's superior to X. X does have an advantage in the skill area. Slade for the majority considering everything.

Originally posted by carver9
How about you show me.

Better fighter, he ran through task master, wolverine, almost everyone that approached him and these are "A" list fighters. He should be able to stomp slade. the only one of that list with a similar mind to slade is taskmaster(still inferior BTW)....and he didn't run through them because he's a more skilled fighter......it's because of his ability(what happened when wolvie went berseker?).....which i doubt would be effective on slade's super-fast brain with a much higher mental capacity. so what, the guy deflected black widows bullet.......slade was fast enough reflex wise to shoot a flash with a gun...and engage that same flash.....and trip another flash

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when slade is severly injured....while regenerating he goes primal.....like a berseker rage.....x would be taken care of.....if it even got to that point

Slade Willson wins.

Originally posted by Aries_04
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Getting annoyed with people thinking that X being able to read minds brings him victory everytime.

There are times when being able to predict whats going to happen wont cut it.

This ould be one of those times Slade would aoe weapons that X cant dodge without going where Slade wants him to go . Could he predict it yes can he evade it without going where slade wants him to go no.

Predicting what is going to happen is a nice trick but i can be broken by superior long range planning if you have the stats and weapons to back it up.

A guy who relativelly easily boxes in a lightspeeder in Flash can box in X regardless of pre-cog

As much as i like Slade....I think X can take him.

Originally posted by godking
Slade wins this

Getting annoyed with people thinking that X being able to read minds brings him victory everytime.

There are times when being able to predict whats going to happen wont cut it.

This ould be one of those times Slade would aoe weapons that X cant dodge without going where Slade wants him to go . Could he predict it yes can he evade it without going where slade wants him to go no.

Predicting what is going to happen is a nice trick but i can be broken by superior long range planning if you have the stats and weapons to back it up.

A guy who relativelly easily boxes in a lightspeeder in Flash can box in X regardless of pre-cog

You don't understand how his powers work. He maps onto neural impulses and reflexively responds. He doesn't have to think to do what he does......it just happens. Look at the respect thread that I started for him that explains this.

Originally posted by Aries_04
You don't understand how his powers work. He maps onto neural impulses and reflexively responds. He doesn't have to think to do what he does......it just happens. Look at the respect thread that I started for him that explains this. so technically he should've beat berserker wolvie the same way he beat regular wolvie if his powers worked that way......logan may not be thinking consciously when in berseker mode, but his brain still has to send the signal to move no matter what.......it shoulda been as easy as taking regular logan for him, but it wasn't

still though, x has never faced someone who's brain works as fast as slade......or as mentally capable

Good match.

Majority to X I think, all things concidered.

I'd go with Deathstroke for this. Seems X might have trouble reading brains that are not operating normally, ie; couldnt read Berserkerine (even though his brain was still sending impulses to his body, as Namorsbuddy pointed out - bit of poor writing there.) Anywho DS brain operates at a level beyond human and he has the superhuman body to back it up. X may read a few impulses, but he wouldnt be keeping up with DS at full speed, it just doesnt make sense that he should be able to.

So DS.

Originally posted by Aries_04
You don't understand how his powers work. He maps onto neural impulses and reflexively responds. He doesn't have to think to do what he does......it just happens. Look at the respect thread that I started for him that explains this. That means nothing if your opponent blocks of your escape routes making you go where he wants you to go which DS is capable and has done to faster guys then X. X could predict all he wants if he has no options there is not much he can do other then nothing and accepting a draw.

Slade with prep will block of the escap routes and make sure that X will take the only route possible where he will be waiting.

X can either

A attack meaing that he will move to where DS wants him whether he can predict it or not.

B Not attack and hoping that DS takes the initiative which he wont do since he knows that X can read his moves.

The best tactic to beat someone who can read moves is to FORCE him to make the first move.

Reading moves is a nice trick but but it loses its effectiveness if your opponent can force you to make the first move and limits what you can do and where you can go.

Originally posted by namorsubby
so technically he should've beat berserker wolvie the same way he beat regular wolvie if his powers worked that way......logan may not be thinking consciously when in berseker mode, but his brain still has to send the signal to move no matter what.......it shoulda been as easy as taking regular logan for him, but it wasn't


right

Originally posted by godking
That measn nothing if your opponent blocks of your escape routes making you go where he wants you to go which DS is capable and has done to faster guys then X.



That would fall under prep. There is no prep for this fight.

Originally posted by namorsubby
so technically he should've beat berserker wolvie the same way he beat regular wolvie if his powers worked that way......logan may not be thinking consciously when in berseker mode, but his brain still has to send the signal to move no matter what.......it shoulda been as easy as taking regular logan for him, but it wasn't

still though, x has never faced someone who's brain works as fast as slade......or as mentally capable

So which is it then? Either he reads minds, or he maps onto neural impulses. In "the best there is" arc, his powers are described vaguely as "limited telepathy". In recent Thunderbolts stories his powers are stated very definitively as "neural impulse mapping". If it's both then as Namorsubby pointed out, Wolvie shouldn't have been able to beat him the way that he did in their battles.

Changing my vote to Slade until this contradiction is resolved.

so ur basing ur opinion that his powers are not fully defined or the fact that he lost to wolverine so u assume slade can do the same?

bye the bye logan's brain operates more effecienty when in a berserker rage his neural kinetics are enhanced combined with his already superhuman reaction time making it hell for a lot of ppl not just X...

his brain has bn compared to multiple computers system and whatnot.
no shame with X losing to logan.

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
so ur basing ur opinion that his powers are not fully defined or the fact that he lost to wolverine so u assume slade can do the same?

bye the bye logan's brain operates more effecienty when in a berserker rage his neural kinetics are enhanced combined with his already superhuman reaction time making it hell for a lot of ppl not just X...

his brain has bn compared to multiple computers system and whatnot.
no shame with X losing to logan.

Multiple compyters system?

lmfao.

laugh all u want its a comic fact...Xavier said so while running a danger room session and analyzing logans brain patterns and what not...

comparing it to playing chess computers while doing a routine olympic routine without even trying...

its a fact logan's fighting abilities knowledge are compressed and used on pure instinct..

so its like a supercharged logan doing MA feats at high speed making it look like he is just slashing and kicking wildly but he isnt... every move is preprogrammed just at accelerated lvl

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
so ur basing ur opinion that his powers are not fully defined or the fact that he lost to wolverine so u assume slade can do the same?

bye the bye logan's brain operates more effecienty when in a berserker rage his neural kinetics are enhanced combined with his already superhuman reaction time making it hell for a lot of ppl not just X...

his brain has bn compared to multiple computers system and whatnot.
no shame with X losing to logan. Neural impulses are neural impulses. And besides, if you're going to make that argument, Slade's brain operates at that capacity all the time. So either way X is screwed

X was still able to gut logan and shoot him up even in a berserker rage...

i dont see slade's HF keeping him conscious when he gets gutted....

X still manage to get a few hits in and dodge he just couldnt put logan down anymore...

Originally posted by Wild Shadow
X was still able to gut logan and shoot him up even in a berserker rage...

i dont see slade's HF keeping him conscious when he gets gutted....

X still manage to get a few hits in and dodge he just couldnt put logan down anymore... Maybe so, but Slade's tech compensates for that. Promethean armor, staff, sword and the like.

Originally posted by dmills
Maybe so, but Slade's tech compensates for that. Promethean armor, staff, sword and the like. and his guns give him long range attack.........



before any one brings up X deflecting all those bullets from black widow, remember, slade was able to shoot a flash with a gun..........yeah.

Originally posted by dmills
Maybe so, but Slade's tech compensates for that. Promethean armor, staff, sword and the like.
staff has not been standard equiptment for years.......

Originally posted by namorsubby
and his guns give him long range attack.........



before any one brings up X deflecting all those bullets from black widow, remember, slade was able to shoot a flash with a gun..........yeah.
which wont matter at all.






yea that dont smell like pis to you that a person who moves the speed of light and beyond was hit by a bullet?

Originally posted by Battlehammer
which wont matter at all.






yea that dont smell like pis to you that a person who moves the speed of light and beyond was hit by a bullet? i don't think the kid flash moves that fast.......and besides, that's as fast as they can go, it's not like they're move close to that fast all the time. i'm pretty sure usain bolt doesn't run a 9.68 every time he moves 100 KM's

oh, and before anyone declares PIS do to the fact that kid flash can out-react bullets, they must consider the fact that slade's reaction and/or reflex time augments the flash vs bullet equation.

Flash's reflexes and/or reaction time(a) - Bullet's speed(b) + Deathstroke's reflexes and/or reaction time(c) = Flash being hit


now, considering that, how does this not matter at all?

Originally posted by namorsubby
i don't think the kid flash moves that fast.......and besides, that's as fast as they can go, it's not like they're move close to that fast all the time. i'm pretty sure usain bolt doesn't run a 9.68 every time he moves 100 KM's

oh, and before anyone declares PIS do to the fact that kid flash can out-react bullets, they must consider the fact that slade's reaction and/or reflex time augments the flash vs bullet equation.

Flash's reflexes and/or reaction time(a) - Bullet's speed(b) + Deathstroke's reflexes and/or reaction time(c) = Flash being hit


now, considering that, how does this not matter at all?

you forgot Poland.

Originally posted by namorsubby
i don't think the kid flash moves that fast.......and besides, that's as fast as they can go, it's not like they're move close to that fast all the time. i'm pretty sure usain bolt doesn't run a 9.68 every time he moves 100 KM's

His reflexes would still move at that speed. unless you wish to argue that kid flash in experiences which again faulters your arguement sinces that mean kid flash is unable to dodge bullets.

Originally posted by namorsubby
oh, and before anyone declares PIS do to the fact that kid flash can out-react bullets, they must consider the fact that slade's reaction and/or reflex time augments the flash vs bullet equation.


except it doesent. Slade speed reflexes would not matter, becuase it does not change the speed of the bullet, that the same crap punisher fans uses when he hit spiderman wiht a bullet. Having higher reflexes does not make the bullet move any faster. It is PIS, which the jobbing flash family is uses too. Every one and there mother has hit them. It pis plain and simply and does not bold well for argueing DS superior reflexes. Hell robin has hit kid flash and moved so fast super boy was unable to register his movements in time.......I guess robin>>>DS>>>>>super boy and kid flash.


Originally posted by namorsubby

now, considering that, how does this not matter at all?
because the bullet would still be moving at the same speed reguardless of the person reflexes.

oh and the fact that MA of repeatedly given DS trouble and hit him easily.........

DS stroke is one of the most hype characters. His stats arnt even superior to Capt and it been scans taken out of context or feats pump beyond what they truelly are. He not even superior to capt in strength dispite the forum misconception that he is from out of context scans..........

This is a tough one. X has an advantage because of his ability and some very impressive feats. But I think I'll give a slight majority (like 5.5/10) to Slade because the guy has A LOT of crazy showings. If he can severl times beat the crap outta Batman while barely paying attention and hold his own against entire teams (and yes I know that Dick Grason alone has put up a good fight against DS, happened once and was a poor writing, normally Slade takes him down without any efforts and it takes him like 1 or 2 punches). So imo DS wins but definitely not every time.

Slade's enhanced brain helps him with his aim. That's how he tagged Flash and other speedsters like Starfire. Slade FTW.